Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?

> Re an idea beside the oxygenation, (I am sorry I am getting confusing
> here, since yahoo has my head so in a fog.  lol)  Yes, the oxidation
> would have to be addressed for it to work at all!
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> Diane
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
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> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:57 PM
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> Thanks Marc,
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> Yes, I think you are correct--the Miracle II Neutralizer or Soap is
> the product I likely used.  What do you think of the MMS product? 
> Worth a try or no?  I am not thinking of trying it at this time, but I
> can see where sodium chlorite might work for some people.  Hard to say
> what sodium chlorite might address--would be akin to apple cider
> vinegar.  Might be useful as a catalyst in the body.  I'd need to do
> more research, but just thought you might already have an idea about
> this.
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 PM
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>> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
>> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
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>> a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A friend
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>> mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.
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> You might have used "Miracle II soap" or "Miracle II neutralizer" .
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> this and MMS make claims like it will cure cancer, AIDS, etc. I've
> tried the Miracle II products, and found that they make a good bubble
> bath and are good for washing the dog... :-)
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> These products are supposed to work because they add oxygen to your
> body, which is supposed to oxidize toxins. What they don't say is
> that they also increase the amount of oxygen free radicals
> in your body, which make them bad (as far as I'm concerned).
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> The best oxygen-supplying supplement I've found for myself is CELLFOOD,
> and even with this, one has to be *very* careful not to take too
> much...
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> Hi again, Laurel,
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> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
> as a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A
> friend of mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.  But
> I thought that product was a magnesium/coconut extract product, and
> looking this product up, it says it is sodium chlorite, so I am not
> sure whether this was the product I used or not.  I didn't use the
> product long as I had the serious burns the first time I tried it in
> the bath and I was not too keen on using it further!  The product I
> used did the same things listed in the ads for MMS.
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> http://mmsmiracle. com/about/
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> The product I used came with a video and the video made outrageous
> claims.  I only used it to appease my friend who thought it was a
> "miracle from God".  She stopped selling it after my burn incident. 
> ;) 
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> Don't know if it is the same, but be careful using it if you try it.
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> My 2 cents,
> Diane
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 AM
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> One other thing..
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> have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
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> Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance. .
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> "MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
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> http://www.healthsa lon.org/343/ mms-and-copd- testimonial- no-10-2/
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> MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had
> wondered if it would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems
> to have helped many, but not all.
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> Laurel
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> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
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> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>  
> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
> me....
>  
> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
> us
> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>  
> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>  
> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
> the same one I have. 
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> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>  
> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
> list goes on.
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> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
> tho, it did give me some hope.
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> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
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> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
> stinging and burning.
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> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
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> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
> m.. I have
> no idea.
>  
> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>  
> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
> body could tolerate.
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> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
> well as kill many pathogens).
>  
> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
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> My, how life can suddenly change.
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>  
> Laurel
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> Lol Andrew,
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> I am having a bad day and confused as hell, but I think Marc has  
> convinced me that what I was using was not MMS but Miracle II soap or  
> neutralizer.  But, nevertheless, it was not a good idea to use it as a  
> soak either, obviously, since it scarred my neck.  (Too bad you were  
> not around to warn me about that when I was using that product!  ;)   
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> Interesting what you have written re killing stuff in your body, tho.   
> I have to go back on a maintenance program for my beasties next  
> month.  (Every year or so I have to address what remains that I was  
> not able to irradicate, so they don't get out of control again.)  I  
> might look into the MMS.  What do you use to address the oxygenation  
> issue?
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> Thanks, Andrew,
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
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> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:59 PM
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> I would not use MMS in your bath! If you want to burn something
> specific off your skin that is one thing but not your whole body.
> I have had mixed results using MMS. I can't get beyond 10 drops a day.
> If I do I feel like total shit. I guess my bacteria/viral/ toxin load  
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> I have taken a break from it. I'll probably go back and try very low
> dosages (3-6 drops a day) for a couple of weeks. And see if I get any
> better at handling it.
> I'd like to know if anyone has successfully taken 15 drops a couple of
> times a day yet.
> Andrew
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> On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Evie wrote:
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>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
>> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
>> as a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A
>> friend of mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.  But
>> I thought that product was a magnesium/coconut extract product, and
>> looking this product up, it says it is sodium chlorite, so I am not
>> sure whether this was the product I used or not.  I didn't use the
>> product long as I had the serious burns the first time I tried it in
>> the bath and I was not too keen on using it further!  The product I
>> used did the same things listed in the ads for MMS.
>>  
>> http://mmsmiracle. com/about/
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>> The product I used came with a video and the video made outrageous
>> claims.  I only used it to appease my friend who thought it was a
>> "miracle from God".  She stopped selling it after my burn incident. 
>> ;) 
>>  
>> Don't know if it is the same, but be careful using it if you try it.
>>  
>> My 2 cents,
>> Diane
>> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 AM
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>> One other thing..
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>> have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
>>  
>> Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance. .
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>> "MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
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>> http://www.healthsa lon.org/343/ mms-and-copd- testimonial- no-10-2/
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>> MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had
>> wondered if it would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems
>> to have helped many, but not all.
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>>  
>> Laurel
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>> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
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>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
>> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
>> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
>> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
>> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>>  
>> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
>> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
>> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
>> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
>> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
>> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
>> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
>> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
>> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
>> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
>> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
>> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
>> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
>> me....
>>  
>> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
>> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
>> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
>> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
>> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
>> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
>> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
>> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
>> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
>> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
>> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
>> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
>> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
>> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
>> us
>> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
>> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
>> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
>> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
>> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
>> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>>  
>> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
>> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
>> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
>> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
>> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
>> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
>> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
>> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
>> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
>> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
>> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>>  
>> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
>> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
>> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
>> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
>> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
>> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
>> the same one I have. 
>>  
>> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
>> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
>> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
>> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
>> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
>> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
>> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
>> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
>> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
>> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>>  
>> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
>> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
>> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
>> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
>> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
>> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
>> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
>> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
>> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
>> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
>> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
>> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
>> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
>> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
>> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
>> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
>> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
>> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
>> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
>> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
>> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
>> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
>> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
>> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
>> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
>> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
>> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
>> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
>> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
>> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
>> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
>> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
>> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
>> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
>> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
>> list goes on.
>>  
>> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
>> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
>> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
>> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
>> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
>> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
>> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
>> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
>> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
>> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
>> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
>> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
>> tho, it did give me some hope.
>>  
>> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
>> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>>  
>> Diane
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>> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
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>> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
>> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
>> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
>> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
>> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
>> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
>> stinging and burning.
>>  
>> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
>> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
>> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
>> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
>> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
>> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>>  
>> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
>> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
>> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
>> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
>> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
>> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
>> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
>> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
>> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
>> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
>> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
>> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
>> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
>> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
>> m.. I have
>> no idea.
>>  
>> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
>> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
>> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
>> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
>> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
>> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
>> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
>> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
>> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>>  
>> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
>> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
>> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
>> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
>> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
>> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
>> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
>> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
>> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
>> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more thanmy
>> body could tolerate.
>>  
>> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
>> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
>> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
>> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
>> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
>> well as kill many pathogens).
>>  
>> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
>> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
>> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
>> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>>  
>> My, how life can suddenly change.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
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> here, since yahoo has my head so in a fog.  lol)  Yes, the oxidation
> would have to be addressed for it to work at all!
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:57 PM
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> Thanks Marc,
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> Yes, I think you are correct--the Miracle II Neutralizer or Soap is
> the product I likely used.  What do you think of the MMS product? 
> Worth a try or no?  I am not thinking of trying it at this time, but I
> can see where sodium chlorite might work for some people.  Hard to say
> what sodium chlorite might address--would be akin to apple cider
> vinegar.  Might be useful as a catalyst in the body.  I'd need to do
> more research, but just thought you might already have an idea about
> this.
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 PM
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>> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
>> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
>> as
>> a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A friend
>> of
>> mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.
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> You might have used "Miracle II soap" or "Miracle II neutralizer" .
> Both
> this and MMS make claims like it will cure cancer, AIDS, etc. I've
> tried the Miracle II products, and found that they make a good bubble
> bath and are good for washing the dog... :-)
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> These products are supposed to work because they add oxygen to your
> body, which is supposed to oxidize toxins. What they don't say is
> that they also increase the amount of oxygen free radicals
> in your body, which make them bad (as far as I'm concerned).
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> The best oxygen-supplying supplement I've found for myself is CELLFOOD,
> and even with this, one has to be *very* careful not to take too
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> I am having a bad day and confused as hell, but I think Marc has
> convinced me that what I was using was not MMS but Miracle II soap or
> neutralizer.  But, nevertheless, it was not a good idea to use it as a
> soak either, obviously, since it scarred my neck.  (Too bad you were
> not around to warn me about that when I was using that product!  ;) 
> ) 
>  
> Interesting what you have written re killing stuff in your body, tho. 
> I have to go back on a maintenance program for my beasties next
> month.  (Every year or so I have to address what remains that I was
> not able to irradicate, so they don't get out of control again.)  I
> might look into the MMS.  What do you use to address the oxygenation
> issue?
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> Thanks, Andrew,
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:
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> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> I have had mixed results using MMS. I can't get beyond 10 drops a day.
> If I do I feel like total shit. I guess my bacteria/viral/ toxin load
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> I have taken a break from it. I'll probably go back and try very low
> dosages (3-6 drops a day) for a couple of weeks. And see if I get any
> better at handling it.
> I'd like to know if anyone has successfully taken 15 drops a couple of
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>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
>> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
>> as a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A
>> friend of mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.  But
>> I thought that product was a magnesium/coconut extract product, and
>> looking this product up, it says it is sodium chlorite, so I am not
>> sure whether this was the product I used or not.  I didn't use the
>> product long as I had the serious burns the first time I tried it in
>> the bath and I was not too keen on using it further!  The product I
>> used did the same things listed in the ads for MMS.
>>  
>> http://mmsmiracle. com/about/
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>> The product I used came with a video and the video made outrageous
>> claims.  I only used it to appease my friend who thought it was a
>> "miracle from God".  She stopped selling it after my burn incident. 
>> ;) 
>>  
>> Don't know if it is the same, but be careful using it if you try it.
>>  
>> My 2 cents,
>> Diane
>> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 AM
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>> One other thing..
>>  
>> have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
>>  
>> Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance. .
>>  
>> "MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
>>  
>> http://www.healthsa lon.org/343/ mms-and-copd- testimonial- no-10-2/
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>> MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had
>> wondered if it would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems
>> to have helped many, but not all.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
>>  
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>> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
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>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
>> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
>> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
>> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
>> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>>  
>> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
>> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
>> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
>> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
>> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
>> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
>> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
>> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
>> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
>> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
>> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
>> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
>> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
>> me....
>>  
>> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
>> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
>> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
>> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
>> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
>> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
>> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
>> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
>> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
>> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
>> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
>> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
>> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
>> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
>> us
>> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
>> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
>> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
>> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
>> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
>> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>>  
>> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
>> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
>> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
>> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
>> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
>> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
>> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
>> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
>> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
>> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
>> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>>  
>> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
>> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
>> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
>> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
>> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
>> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
>> the same one I have. 
>>  
>> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
>> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
>> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
>> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
>> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
>> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
>> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
>> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
>> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
>> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>>  
>> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
>> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
>> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
>> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
>> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
>> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
>> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
>> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
>> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
>> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
>> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
>> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
>> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
>> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
>> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
>> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
>> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
>> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
>> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
>> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
>> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
>> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
>> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
>> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
>> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
>> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
>> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
>> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
>> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
>> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
>> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
>> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
>> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
>> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
>> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
>> list goes on.
>>  
>> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
>> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
>> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
>> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
>> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
>> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
>> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
>> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
>> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
>> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
>> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
>> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
>> tho, it did give me some hope.
>>  
>> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
>> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>>  
>> Diane
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>> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
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>> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
>> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
>> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
>> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
>> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
>> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
>> stinging and burning.
>>  
>> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
>> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
>> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
>> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
>> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
>> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>>  
>> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
>> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
>> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
>> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
>> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
>> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
>> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
>> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
>> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
>> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
>> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
>> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
>> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
>> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
>> m.. I have
>> no idea.
>>  
>> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
>> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
>> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
>> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
>> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
>> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
>> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
>> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
>> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>>  
>> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
>> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
>> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
>> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
>> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
>> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
>> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
>> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
>> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
>> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more thanmy
>> body could tolerate.
>>  
>> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
>> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
>> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
>> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
>> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
>> well as kill many pathogens).
>>  
>> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
>> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
>> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
>> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>>  
>> My, how life can suddenly change.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
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> email..sorry). I spent way too long yesterday on the computer. I could
> not sleep well afterward and had terrible symptoms in the night.
> Somehow, I felt more sensitized to energy.. even from other people, if
> that makes sense to anyone.
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: [hidden email]
> Received: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 1:49 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Laurel,
>  
> Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that
> the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite
> to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
>  
> I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question
> about TILT.
> Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse
> to go further today. 
>  
> Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for
> a few days but will get back with you when I can.
>  
> Diane
>  
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM
>
> Hi Diane,
>  
> Thank you for your response.
>  
> WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue
> and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to
> others..lol.
>  
> I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a
> theory, or moreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom
> and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion
> can be peeled back further and further.
>  
> In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists
> now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say
> that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the
> practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that
> is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer
> treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to
> successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would
> not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I
> know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is
> similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I
> will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be
> able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. It is not
> easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach
> the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
> able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O
> check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in
> return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
>  
> I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years
> ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years
> or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to
> control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a
> refugee and I am in a house where there is so much gluten and other
> triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year.
> I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but
> I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to
> put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then
> if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare.
> I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this
> computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
>  
> It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express
> them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am
> repeating myself.
>  
> You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the
> name of that peptide?
>  
> You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are
> fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a
> bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
>  
> I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
>  
> As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in
> December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace.
> I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas
> leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had
> bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed
> I felt better when the windows were opened. Even in the winter, the
> last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to
> the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
>
> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>
> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>  
> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
> me....
>  
> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
> us
> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>  
> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>  
> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
> the same one I have. 
>  
> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>  
> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
> list goes on.
>  
> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
> tho, it did give me some hope.
>  
> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>
> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
> stinging and burning.
>  
> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>  
> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
> m.. I have
> no idea.
>  
> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>  
> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
> body could tolerate.
>  
> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
> well as kill many pathogens).
>  
> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>  
> My, how life can suddenly change.
>  
>  
> Laurel
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> Thanks Diane( I keep calling you Evie because I see it in your
> email..sorry) . I spent way too long yesterday on the computer. I could
> not sleep well afterward and had terrible symptoms in the night.
> Somehow, I felt more sensitized to energy.. even from other people, if
> that makes sense to anyone.
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 1:49 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Laurel,
>  
> Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that
> the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite
> to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
>  
> I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question
> about TILT.
> Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse
> to go further today. 
>  
> Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for
> a few days but will get back with you when I can.
>  
> Diane
>  
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM
>
> Hi Diane,
>  
> Thank you for your response.
>  
> WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue
> and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to
> others..lol.
>  
> I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a
> theory, or moreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom
> and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion
> can be peeled back further and further.
>  
> In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists
> now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say
> that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the
> practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that
> is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer
> treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to
> successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would
> not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I
> know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is
> similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I
> will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be
> able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. It is not
> easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach
> the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
> able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O
> check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in
> return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
>  
> I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years
> ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years
> or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to
> control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a
> refugee and I am in a house where there is so much gluten and other
> triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year.
> I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but
> I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to
> put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then
> if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare.
> I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this
> computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
>  
> It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express
> them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am
> repeating myself.
>  
> You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the
> name of that peptide?
>  
> You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are
> fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a
> bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
>  
> I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
>  
> As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in
> December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace.
> I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas
> leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had
> bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed
> I felt better when the windows were opened. Even in the winter, the
> last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to
> the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
>
> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>
> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure youknow
> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>  
> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
> me....
>  
> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
> us
> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>  
> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>  
> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
> the same one I have. 
>  
> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decidedto give me
> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>  
> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away). The
> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds,pesticides,
> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
> list goes on.
>  
> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
> tho, it did give me some hope.
>  
> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>
> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
> stinging and burning.
>  
> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>  
> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
> m.. I have
> no idea.
>  
> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>  
> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
> body could tolerate.
>  
> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
> well as kill many pathogens).
>  
> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>  
> My, how life can suddenly change.
>  
>  
> Laurel
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> Thanks Diane( I keep calling you Evie because I see it in your
> email..sorry) . I spent way too long yesterday on the computer. I could
> not sleep well afterward and had terrible symptoms in the night.
> Somehow, I felt more sensitized to energy.. even from other people, if
> that makes sense to anyone.
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 1:49 PM
>
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>
>
>
>
> Hi, Laurel,
>  
> Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that
> the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite
> to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
>  
> I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question
> about TILT.
> Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse
> to go further today. 
>  
> Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for
> a few days but will get back with you when I can.
>  
> Diane
>  
>
> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM
>
> Hi Diane,
>  
> Thank you for your response.
>  
> WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue
> and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to
> others..lol.
>  
> I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a
> theory, or moreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom
> and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion
> can be peeled back further and further.
>  
> In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists
> now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say
> that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the
> practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that
> is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer
> treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to
> successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would
> not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I
> know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is
> similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I
> will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be
> able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. It is not
> easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach
> the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
> able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O
> check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in
> return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
>  
> I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years
> ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years
> or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to
> control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a
> refugee and I am in a house where there is so much gluten and other
> triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year.
> I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but
> I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to
> put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then
> if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare.
> I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this
> computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
>  
> It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express
> them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am
> repeating myself.
>  
> You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the
> name of that peptide?
>  
> You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are
> fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a
> bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
>  
> I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
>  
> As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in
> December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace.
> I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas
> leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had
> bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed
> I felt better when the windows were opened. Even in the winter, the
> last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to
> the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
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> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>
> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure youknow
> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>  
> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
> me....
>  
> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
> us
> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>  
> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>  
> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
> the same one I have. 
>  
> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decidedto give me
> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>  
> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away). The
> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds,pesticides,
> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
> list goes on.
>  
> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
> tho, it did give me some hope.
>  
> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>
> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
> stinging and burning.
>  
> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>  
> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
> m.. I have
> no idea.
>  
> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>  
> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
> body could tolerate.
>  
> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
> well as kill many pathogens).
>  
> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>  
> My, how life can suddenly change.
>  
>  
> Laurel
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> This is very interesting , infact I was going to pose the self same
> question. I am hypersensitive , to auras , spirits, houses,
> people- you name it. Infact my symptoms started when I moved in to a
> negative vibing house. I then started getting geo magnetic symptoms ,
> and would continually have to change beds , directions , rooms ,
> houses etc, and gradually I started getting electrical sensitivity. Is
> this a common symptom i wonder? , Is electrical sensitivity hand in
> hand with the traits of being a highly sensitive person ? In which
> case I would then describe EMF as a form of spiritual? psychological
> warfare- at least in vibrational terms.
>  
> Ada
> McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] sensitized to energy
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 6:43 AM
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> Yes, it does make sense to be sensitized. I feel people's energy
> levels, auras, etc. especially when they have been immersed in cell
> phones, wifi radiation etc. and it has filled up their energetic
> system.
> Actually I asked one person to double check if their cell phone was on
> (because they were radiating so much crap off of them) and the cell
> phone was left out in the car. Their body was still holding it.
> andrew
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:38 PM, laurel canyon wrote:
>
>> Thanks Diane( I keep calling you Evie because I see it in your
>> email..sorry) . I spent way too long yesterday on the computer. I
>> could
>> not sleep well afterward and had terrible symptoms in the night.
>> Somehow, I felt more sensitized to energy.. even from other people, if
>> that makes sense to anyone.
>>  
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 1:49 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Laurel,
>>  
>> Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that
>> the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite
>> to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
>>  
>> I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question
>> about TILT.
>> Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse
>> to go further today. 
>>  
>> Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for
>> a few days but will get back with you when I can.
>>  
>> Diane
>>  
>>
>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM
>>
>> Hi Diane,
>>  
>> Thank you for your response.
>>  
>> WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue
>> and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to
>> others..lol.
>>  
>> I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a
>> theory, or moreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom
>> and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion
>> can be peeled back further and further.
>>  
>> In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists
>> now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say
>> that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the
>> practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that
>> is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer
>> treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to
>> successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would
>> not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I
>> know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is
>> similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I
>> will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be
>> able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. It is not
>> easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach
>> the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
>> able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O
>> check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in
>> return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
>>  
>> I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years
>> ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years
>> or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to
>> control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a
>> refugee and I am in a house where there is so much gluten and other
>> triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year.
>> I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but
>> I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to
>> put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then
>> if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare.
>> I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this
>> computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
>>  
>> It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express
>> them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am
>> repeating myself.
>>  
>> You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the
>> name of that peptide?
>>  
>> You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are
>> fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a
>> bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
>>  
>> I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
>>  
>> As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in
>> December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace.
>> I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas
>> leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had
>> bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed
>> I felt better when the windows were opened. Even in the winter, the
>> last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to
>> the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
>>  
>>  
>>
>> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>>
>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
>> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
>> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
>> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
>> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>>  
>> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
>> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
>> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
>> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
>> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
>> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
>> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
>> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
>> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
>> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
>> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
>> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
>> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
>> me....
>>  
>> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
>> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
>> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
>> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
>> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
>> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
>> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
>> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
>> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
>> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
>> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
>> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
>> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
>> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
>> us
>> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
>> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
>> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
>> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
>> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
>> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>>  
>> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
>> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
>> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
>> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
>> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
>> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
>> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
>> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
>> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
>> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
>> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>>  
>> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
>> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
>> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
>> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
>> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
>> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
>> the same one I have. 
>>  
>> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
>> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
>> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
>> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
>> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
>> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
>> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
>> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
>> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
>> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>>  
>> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
>> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
>> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
>> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
>> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
>> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
>> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
>> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
>> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
>> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
>> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
>> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
>> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
>> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
>> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
>> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
>> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
>> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
>> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
>> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
>> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
>> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
>> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
>> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
>> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
>> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
>> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
>> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
>> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
>> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
>> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
>> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
>> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
>> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
>> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
>> list goes on.
>>  
>> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
>> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
>> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
>> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
>> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
>> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
>> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
>> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
>> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
>> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
>> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
>> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
>> tho, it did give me some hope.
>>  
>> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
>> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>>  
>> Diane
>>
>> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>
>> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
>> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
>> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
>> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
>> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
>> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
>> stinging and burning.
>>  
>> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
>> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
>> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
>> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
>> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
>> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>>  
>> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
>> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
>> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
>> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
>> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
>> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
>> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
>> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
>> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
>> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
>> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
>> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
>> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
>> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
>> m.. I have
>> no idea.
>>  
>> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
>> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
>> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
>> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
>> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
>> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
>> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
>> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
>> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>>  
>> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
>> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
>> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
>> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
>> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
>> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
>> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
>> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
>> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
>> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more thanmy
>> body could tolerate.
>>  
>> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
>> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
>> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
>> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
>> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
>> well as kill many pathogens).
>>  
>> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
>> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
>> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
>> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>>  
>> My, how life can suddenly change.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
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> This is very interesting , infact I was going to pose the self same
> question. I am hypersensitive , to auras , spirits, houses,
> people- you name it. Infact my symptoms started when I moved in to a
> negative vibing house. I then started getting geo magnetic symptoms ,
> and would continually have to change beds , directions , rooms ,
> houses etc, and gradually I started getting electrical sensitivity. Is
> this a common symptom i wonder? , Is electrical sensitivity hand in
> hand with the traits of being a highly sensitive person ? In which
> case I would then describe EMF as a form of spiritual? psychological
> warfare- at least in vibrational terms.
>  
> Ada
> McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
> Subject: [eSens] sensitized to energy
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 6:43 AM
>
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> Yes, it does make sense to be sensitized. I feel people's energy
> levels, auras, etc. especially when they have been immersed in cell
> phones, wifi radiation etc. and it has filled up their energetic
> system.
> Actually I asked one person to double check if their cell phone was on
> (because they were radiating so much crap off of them) and the cell
> phone was left out in the car. Their body was still holding it.
> andrew
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:38 PM, laurel canyon wrote:
>
>> Thanks Diane( I keep calling you Evie because I see it in your
>> email..sorry) . I spent way too long yesterday on the computer. I
>> could
>> not sleep well afterward and had terrible symptoms in the night.
>> Somehow, I felt more sensitized to energy.. even from other people, if
>> that makes sense to anyone.
>>  
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 1:49 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Laurel,
>>  
>> Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that
>> the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite
>> to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
>>  
>> I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question
>> about TILT.
>> Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse
>> to go further today. 
>>  
>> Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for
>> a few days but will get back with you when I can.
>>  
>> Diane
>>  
>>
>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM
>>
>> Hi Diane,
>>  
>> Thank you for your response.
>>  
>> WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue
>> and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to
>> others..lol.
>>  
>> I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a
>> theory, or moreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom
>> and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion
>> can be peeled back further and further.
>>  
>> In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists
>> now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say
>> that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the
>> practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that
>> is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer
>> treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to
>> successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would
>> not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I
>> know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is
>> similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I
>> will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be
>> able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. It is not
>> easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach
>> the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
>> able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O
>> check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in
>> return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
>>  
>> I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years
>> ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years
>> or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to
>> control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a
>> refugee and I am in a house where there is so much gluten and other
>> triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year.
>> I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but
>> I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to
>> put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then
>> if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare.
>> I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this
>> computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
>>  
>> It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express
>> them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am
>> repeating myself.
>>  
>> You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the
>> name of that peptide?
>>  
>> You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are
>> fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a
>> bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
>>  
>> I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
>>  
>> As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in
>> December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace.
>> I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas
>> leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had
>> bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed
>> I felt better when the windows were opened. Even in the winter, the
>> last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to
>> the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
>>  
>>  
>>
>> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>>
>> Hi again, Laurel,
>>  
>> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
>> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
>> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
>> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
>> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>>  
>> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
>> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
>> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
>> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
>> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
>> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
>> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
>> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
>> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
>> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
>> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
>> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
>> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
>> me....
>>  
>> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
>> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
>> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
>> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
>> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
>> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
>> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
>> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
>> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
>> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
>> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
>> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
>> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
>> another, can keep sending out immune components which endup attacking
>> us
>> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
>> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal. Some
>> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some,like me,
>> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
>> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
>> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>>  
>> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
>> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
>> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
>> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
>> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
>> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
>> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
>> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
>> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
>> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
>> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>>  
>> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
>> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
>> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
>> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
>> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
>> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
>> the same one I have. 
>>  
>> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
>> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
>> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
>> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
>> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
>> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was ironas
>> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
>> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
>> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
>> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>>  
>> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
>> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
>> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were ina
>> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
>> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
>> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
>> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
>> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
>> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
>> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
>> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
>> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
>> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
>> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
>> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
>> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
>> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
>> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
>> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
>> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
>> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
>> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
>> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
>> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
>> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
>> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
>> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
>> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
>> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
>> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
>> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
>> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now reactto most
>> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
>> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
>> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
>> list goes on.
>>  
>> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
>> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
>> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
>> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
>> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted butI know that
>> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
>> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
>> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
>> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
>> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
>> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
>> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
>> tho, it did give me some hope.
>>  
>> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
>> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>>  
>> Diane
>>
>> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>>
>> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
>> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seemsto
>> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
>> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
>> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
>> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
>> stinging and burning.
>>  
>> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
>> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
>> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
>> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
>> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
>> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>>  
>> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
>> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
>> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
>> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
>> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
>> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
>> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
>> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
>> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
>> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
>> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
>> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
>> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
>> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
>> m.. I have
>> no idea.
>>  
>> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
>> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
>> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
>> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
>> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
>> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
>> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
>> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
>> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>>  
>> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
>> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
>> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
>> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
>> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
>> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
>> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
>> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
>> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
>> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
>> body could tolerate.
>>  
>> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
>> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
>> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
>> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
>> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
>> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
>> well as kill many pathogens).
>>  
>> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
>> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
>> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
>> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>>  
>> My, how life can suddenly change.
>>  
>>  
>> Laurel
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