Can anyone tell me what do to next?

I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have the best information for our visit.

I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.

Thanks




Greetings Dr Z.
I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problem again and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.

First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have thesymptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was atSears in Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness) would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in themorning but my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.

However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed toward the Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.  

I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very little around me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feelmuch better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.  

I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.

As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types ofradio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.  
I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem has created for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything that DOES give me relief (at least at some point).
Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.

Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful during theday but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environment ischanging such as less radio waves.
Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I amturning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.  

Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different way as I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.

Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a"hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising inthe morning.

Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.

Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by the radio waves in the first place?
Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.
Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.
I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. Thisis due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last 9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.  
Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in the head. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.  

This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have movedand changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limitswhere I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solutionI see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.

Regards,

Mark Kuether

> I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could
> have the best information for our visit.
>
> I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.

What kind of doctor are you going to see?

It seems that the only doctors who can really help this sort of problem
are those that deal with things like chronic fatigue syndrome and
multiple chemical sensitivities. Alternative docs (naturopaths,
chiropracters, osteopaths) are a good place to start looking.

Also, we can pretty much say that based on the experiences here,
that you probably have a problem with either heavy metals,
parasites, chronic infections (viral, bacterial, mycoplasma,
lyme), or chemical toxicity. Improve those conditions,
and your sensitivity to 3G will likely improve. And if you're
really successful, it may go away completely.

Marc

Hi Mark,

I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.

Thanks so much for sharing your letter.

Cheryl

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: markkuether <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM







 



 


   
     
     
I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he couldhave the best information for our visit.



I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.



Thanks



Greetings Dr Z.

I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problem again and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.



First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have thesymptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was atSears in Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness) would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in themorning but my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.



However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed toward the Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.  



I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very little around me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feelmuch better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.  



I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.



As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types ofradio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.  

I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem has created for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything that DOES give me relief (at least at some point).

Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.



Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful during the day but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environment is changing such as less radio waves.

Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure ofsome nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.  



Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different way as I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.



Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure ifthis relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in the morning.



Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.



Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my otherfeelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by the radio waves in the first place?

Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.

Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.

I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. Thisis due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last 9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.  

Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in the head. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.  



This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have movedand changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limitswhere I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solutionI see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.



Regards,



Mark Kuether





   
     

   
   


 



 






     

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Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I have that too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then. With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better after 8pm.

Amy



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From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 2:23:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

Hi Mark,

I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.

Thanks so much for sharing your letter.

Cheryl

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: markkuether <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM







 



 


   
     
     
I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he couldhave the best information for our visit.



I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.



Thanks



Greetings Dr Z.

I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problem again and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.



First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have thesymptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was atSears in Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness) would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in themorning but my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.



However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed toward the Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.  



I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very little around me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feelmuch better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.  



I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.



As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types ofradio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.  

I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem has created for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything that DOES give me relief (at least at some point).

Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.



Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful during the day but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environment is changing such as less radio waves.

Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure ofsome nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.  



Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different way as I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.



Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure ifthis relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in the morning.



Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.



Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my otherfeelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by the radio waves in the first place?

Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.

Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.

I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. Thisis due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last 9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.  

Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in the head. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.  



This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have movedand changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limitswhere I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solutionI see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.



Regards,



Mark Kuether





   
   

   
   






 






     

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Great testimony.
I agree with Mark that finding a good health care practitioner is key.  
The regular AMA certified MD's will be of NO use and in fact  
detrimental.
Seek out a Kinesiologist, Naturopathic doctor, dietary professional,  
etc. that can help you balance your body.
For me, good fats (Dr. Budwig type foods of Hemp Oil, Flaxseed Oil and  
cottage cheese, Krill Oil, etc) and organic raw colostrum has made the  
biggest recovery in the shortest time.
http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

Before you jump into some big heavy metal chelation process, make sure  
your gut (probiotics, kefir...) is strong and colon clean. You are  
going to be dumping a bunch of toxic material down there and you don't  
want it to recycle.
Go slow! Sleep with the power off in your room and no appliances on  
anywhere near you. Good sleep is critical!
All my best to you,
Andrew




On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:44 AM, markkuether wrote:

> Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I
> have that too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then.
> With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the
> afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better
> after 8 pm.

Yes, a major part of my ES was also adrenal, and I've found adrenal support
supplements to be a big help -- over the years, I've used Dr. Wilson's
Adrenal Rebuilder, IsoCort, Desicated Adrenal, Drenamin, etc. etc.

It can take years to support/rebuild the adrenals, although with some of
these supplements you can start feeling a bit better fairly soon (IsoCort,
for example, is a good "quick-fix", as is Standard Process "Cataplex C" --
a Vitamin C supplement that includes short-term adrenal support).

Marc

Yes I agree it is adrenals. I two feel better at night. I'm on adrenal hormone. Loni

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Amy Green <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Amy Green <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 3:29 AM


 



Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I havethat too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then. With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better after 8 pm.

Amy

________________________________
From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 2:23:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

Hi Mark,

I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.

Thanks so much for sharing your letter.

Cheryl

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: markkuether <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM

I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have the best information for our visit.

I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.

Thanks

Greetings Dr Z.

I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problemagain and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.

First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have the symptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was at Searsin Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness)would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in the morningbut my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.

However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed towardthe Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.

I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very littlearound me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feel much better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.

I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.

As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types of radio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.

I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem hascreated for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything thatDOES give me relief (at least at some point).

Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.

Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful duringthe day but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environmentis changing such as less radio waves.

Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.

Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different wayas I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.

Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in the morning.

Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.

Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by theradio waves in the first place?

Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.

Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.

I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. This is due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.

Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in thehead. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.

This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have moved and changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limits where I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solution I see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.

Regards,

Mark Kuether

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Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing -
when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with
cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts
in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves
usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly
affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio
waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower
energy and do much less damage.

Very interesting resulting discussion about the "9-10 pm" effect and adrenal
fatigue. Again, lots of ES people seem to have the latter. The other
possible explanation might be if cellphone use drops off sharply in the
evening? (I'm just guessing here).

Marc correctly reminds us that the vast majority of ES sufferers seem to
have significant chemical sensitivities as well (usually linked to a
compromised immune system). Is that also true of you Mark?

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 07 June 2010 08:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?




Hi Mark,

I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so
many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel
better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a
long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all
day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any
additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.

Thanks so much for sharing your letter.

Cheryl

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]
<mailto:markkuether%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: markkuether <[hidden email] <mailto:markkuether%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM



I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have
the best information for our visit.

I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.

Thanks

Greetings Dr Z.

I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make
the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious
debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you
and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I
recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time,
that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and
perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the
disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but
different problem again and it's difficult for me to treat because I find
the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.

First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many
experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have
the symptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to
Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type
of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was at
Sears in Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and
jumpiness) would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in
the morning but my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut
off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for
over 4 months.

However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove
away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed toward
the Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached
Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less
pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc.
Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to
Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional
tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating
and overall jumpy uneasiness.

I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many
times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very
little around me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get
away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I
feel much better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in
the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country
in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.

I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are being
broadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually
identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T
3G is a new type of cell phone wave.

As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.
Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types of
radio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the
point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.

I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely
understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the
best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem has
created for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what
exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me
physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything
that DOES give me relief (at least at some point).

Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest
relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different
location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of
that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such
waves, I feel great.

Nighttime - I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I
was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful during the day
but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the
problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at
night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environment is
changing such as less radio waves.

Tilting my head down - when I turn my head face down, I very often feel
better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am
turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the
muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some
nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.

Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe
the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different way
as I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.

Waking up - when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a
"hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this
relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in
the morning.

Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and
I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start to
feel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head
when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.

Touching my hand to my face - When I take my hand and touch to the area of
my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I
don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of
the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings?
Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by the radio
waves in the first place?

Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my head
down.

Going indoors - When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not
perfect.

I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. This
is due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last
9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier
on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.

Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps
caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my
head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in
the head. My hope is that we can systematically address each these
possibilities and any others that you may have.

This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have moved
and changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I
must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More
3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limits
where I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solution I
see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing
with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel
someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will
consider any recommendations you may have.

Regards,

Mark Kuether

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Hey Ian,

About the different sources of emf,

I think all sources of emf harm us in some way... Just a good thing we are not extremely sensitive to all of them!

2 years ago I was "this" close to renting a house close to the woods, really great place there, quiet, good location, no cell phone masts closeby...

Later, accidentally, I found out that 1.5 miles further there was a gigantic radio station. Maybe Charles knows what I'm talking about, it is called "De Gulke Putten" (Aalter/Wingene/Ruiselede). This is located in Flanders/Belgium/Europe.

That radio station is focused on "maritime services" and is sending low/radio frequencies worldwide... They've told me most radio communication anywhere in the world between ships goes via that radio station... In the 2nd world war they were also used for military purposes... I think it's a radio station, one of the most important in Europe...

Anyway, I would've thought I wasn't gonna get harmed by these signals, the house was 1.5 miles away from it... Then I started testing to stay for 0.5-1 mile away from the masts, I did that 3 times and each time I got a headache...

Then I stayed for 2 hours with the landlords from whom I was gonna rent that house. They lived 1 mile from the masts and there my headache returned and I felt almost immediately better when driving elsewhere... Then I was really sure I wasn't imagining anything, I concluded that I just have to stay out of there!

I don't think there are that many radio masts that emit so much emf... And then again, to some emf I seem to be extremely sensitive... most of you guys would be fine there probably...

So in the end I didn't rent that house! I stayed in different bed & breakfasts for 6 months longer, until I rented something else, low-emf...

gr,
Stephen.




--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

Marc -- Can you explain a bit more about Isocort and Cataplex C as far as being a "quick fix"? What was your experience with them? I have tried Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder and it made me feel pretty bad --too revved, and not in a good way -- and weren't a quick fix. My current Dr. says to take 5-htp and 800mg of magnesium. I can't see any difference on that regimen. Is there any way to get Standard Process products without going through a doctor?

Thanks! Amy



________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:48:25 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

> Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I
> have that too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then.
> With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the
> afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better
> after 8 pm.

Yes, a major part of my ES was also adrenal, and I've found adrenal support
supplements to be a big help -- over the years, I've used Dr. Wilson's
Adrenal Rebuilder, IsoCort, Desicated Adrenal, Drenamin, etc. etc.

It can take years to support/rebuild the adrenals, although with some of
these supplements you can start feeling a bit better fairly soon (IsoCort,
for example, is a good "quick-fix", as is Standard Process "Cataplex C" --
a Vitamin C supplement that includes short-term adrenal support).

Marc


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> Marc -- Can you explain a bit more about Isocort and Cataplex C as far as
> being a "quick fix"?

I just mean that these two supplements seem to be sort of an instant
"pick-me-up"... probably what caffeine is used for by most people,
you can get the same effect from adrenal extracts. Also dessicated
adrenal products have the same effect.

Also, some people advise using Adrenal Cortex supplements as opposed
to whole Adrenal.

It is advised to not become too dependent on some of these supplements
else you risk building a dependency. But I find I need far less
than any maximum dose to get benefits. And besides, the many
years I spent on cortico-steroids for allergies probably destroyed
my adrenals (and set me up for ES) in the first place.... :-(

As for getting Standard Process products without going through a
doctor, you can find places online that "break the rules" and
sell to the public. You can probably even buy most Standard
Process products via Amazon.com these days. And you can get
IsoCort there as well (and that is in fact where I get my
IsoCort!)

Marc

> It is advised to not become too dependent on some of these supplements
> else you risk building a dependency.

Err, I meant that it is advised to not take too MUCH of some of these
supplements, else you risk building a dependency (and weakening the
adrenals even further)

Marc

Hi,

Thanks for the info. I know I have adrenal fatigue and for that I am often exhausted in the mornings. I didn't know about the 'after 8pm' deal though until now. For me now it is generally "low mood' that I suffer from prior to 9 pm or so and then I seem to feel ok and handle everything much better. Do you experience this as well? What do you do about it?
Does the adrenal hormone help a lot? Do you need to go to a doctor to get it? I have no health insurance.

Thanks again for sharing.

Cheryl

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:45 AM







 



 


   
     
     
Yes I agree it is adrenals. I two feel better at night. I'm on adrenal hormone. Loni



--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Amy Green <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Amy Green <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

To: [hidden email]

Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 3:29 AM



 



Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I havethat too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then. With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better after 8 pm.



Amy



________________________________

From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 2:23:34 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?



Hi Mark,



I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.



Thanks so much for sharing your letter.



Cheryl



--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: markkuether <[hidden email]>

Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

To: [hidden email]

Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM



I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have the best information for our visit.



I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.



Thanks



Greetings Dr Z.



I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problemagain and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.



First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have the symptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was at Searsin Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness)would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in the morningbut my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.



However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed towardthe Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.



I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very littlearound me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feel much better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.



I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.



As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types of radio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.



I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem hascreated for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything thatDOES give me relief (at least at some point).



Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.



Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful duringthe day but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environmentis changing such as less radio waves.



Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.



Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different wayas I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.



Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in the morning.



Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.



Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by theradio waves in the first place?



Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.



Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.



I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. This is due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.



Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in thehead. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.



This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have moved and changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limits where I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solution I see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.



Regards,



Mark Kuether



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Cheryl -- I wish I had a great answer for you, but I'm still working on my own AF. Mine is more muscle weakness, light sensitivity, and surges of adrenaline at weird times. After 8 pm, I feel pretty much fine --so, like you, I hate to go to bed and start the whole cycle over the next day. Dr. Wilson's adrenal rebuilders (taken for 8 months) helped me awhile ago and got my cortisol levels looking normal, but they have crashed again, so that wasobviously not a permanent fix. I need to start taking them again, but I dislike the side-effects (creepy revved feeling). If you want to do hydrocortisone, there's a whole yahoo forum created just for that -- Natural Thyroid Hormones/Adrenals. They can tell you how to dose it and how to get it without a doctor. They are a "my way or the highway" group, so there reallyaren't intelligent discussions about any other treatment options, but for using hc, they do have tons of info and help.

Hope that helps! Amy



________________________________
From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

Hi,

Thanks for the info. I know I have adrenal fatigue and for that I am often exhausted in the mornings. I didn't know about the 'after 8pm' deal though until now. For me now it is generally "low mood' that I suffer from prior to 9 pm or so and then I seem to feel ok and handle everything much better. Do you experience this as well? What do you do about it?
Does the adrenal hormone help a lot? Do you need to go to a doctor to get it? I have no health insurance.

Thanks again for sharing.

Cheryl

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:45 AM







 



 


   
     
     
Yes I agree it is adrenals. I two feel better at night. I'm on adrenal hormone. Loni



--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Amy Green <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Amy Green <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

To: [hidden email]

Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 3:29 AM



 



Cheryl -- Feeling good after 8 pm is a classic adrenal fatigue sign. I havethat too and I hate to go to bed because I feel SO much better then. With AF, a person feels the worst in the morning, somewhat better in the afternoon (w/ often a crash around dinnertime) and then much much better after 8 pm.



Amy



________________________________

From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 2:23:34 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?



Hi Mark,



I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.



Thanks so much for sharing your letter.



Cheryl



--- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: markkuether <[hidden email]>

Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?

To: [hidden email]

Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM



I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have the best information for our visit.



I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.



Thanks



Greetings Dr Z.



I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time, that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but different problemagain and it's difficult for me to treat because I find the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.



First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have the symptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was at Searsin Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and jumpiness)would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in the morningbut my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for over 4 months.



However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed towardthe Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc. Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating and overall jumpy uneasiness.



I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very littlearound me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I feel much better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me there in the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.



I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are beingbroadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.



As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types of radio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.



I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem hascreated for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything thatDOES give me relief (at least at some point).



Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such waves, I feel great.



Nighttime – I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful duringthe day but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environmentis changing such as less radio waves.



Tilting my head down – when I turn my head face down, I very often feel better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.



Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different wayas I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.



Waking up – when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in the morning.



Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start tofeel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.



Touching my hand to my face – When I take my hand and touch to the area of my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulation of the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings? Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by theradio waves in the first place?



Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my headdown.



Going indoors – When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not perfect.



I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. This is due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.



Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in thehead. My hope is that we can systematically address each these possibilities and any others that you may have.



This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have moved and changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limits where I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solution I see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will consider any recommendations you may have.



Regards,



Mark Kuether



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I agree with Marc. I am living proof. Dependant on hydrocortosone.  Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?/Marc
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> It is advised to not become too dependent on some of these supplements
> else you risk building a dependency.

Err, I meant that it is advised to not take too MUCH of some of these
supplements, else you risk building a dependency (and weakening the
adrenals even further)

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> I agree with Marc. I am living proof. Dependant on hydrocortosone.  Loni

Although I would think that many people should be able to rebuild
their adrenal glands through appropriate supplementation/detox, and
then gradually be able to reduce the amount of cortisone they need
to take to get through the day.  

Whether that would take months/years/decades depends on the person
and also what that person is doing to rebuild their adrenals.

Marc

It depends on the person. Sometimes the adrenals are not able to be revived. It also depends on how much stress you are living under. It's not just a factor of suppliments & time.

But you are correct; many people (most people) can rebuild adrenals. 
 
I will say that I have tried probably 7 times with failure to reduce & rebuild them.
 
Loni
 

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> I agree with Marc. I am living proof. Dependant on hydrocortosone.  Loni

Although I would think that many people should be able to rebuild
their adrenal glands through appropriate supplementation/detox, and
then gradually be able to reduce the amount of cortisone they need
to take to get through the day.

Whether that would take months/years/decades depends on the person
and also what that person is doing to rebuild their adrenals.

Marc








     

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Hi Mark,

For the initial problem with the fans, I can relate as one time some people came to my house and plugged in a strong motor into the outlet for a water hose, and my head was feeling uncomfortable. I checked my Trifield meter and saw a brief surge in the power line EMF while the motor was on. After they moved the motor elsewhere, I felt better.

It's definitely a multi-faceted problem. Microwaves, power lines, and dirty electricity cause problems for people.

Please check out:
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/science.php
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/protection.php

Btw, what type of shielding cloth did you use? Note that they only help for microwave EMFs, NOT for power line EMFs. Also, for microwaves, you should use something strong, 20 dB is not enough. I'd prefer 60 dB. Also keep in mind the cloth works by deflection, so often you need to be well-enclosed (almost a Faraday cage) for it to work.


Hi Stephen,
By relative powers, a radio tower is typically much stronger than a cell tower. For example, a typical cell tower might be ~100 milliW to 10 W transmit power. Meanwhile, a radio tower could be 6000 to 100000W transmit power.

So if you have to be hundreds of meters away from a cell tower to be safe, then you might have to be tens of thousands of meters from a radio tower. This is just approximation though, I'm not sure the attenuation factors for different wavelengths.

With the Sutro tower study (Cherry, 2002), cancer appears to increase as you get closer to it. At 3km, you're still 5 times likely to get cancer of some kind (1uW/cm^2). Many other radio/TV tower studies (Australia, Great Britain, and Rome) have also found increased cancer.

Please check out:
http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/distance.php

Hope this helps,


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Regards distance to radio tower, thank you for sending, this makes sense, at least in my own experience... I see that I have to be 68 km away from it... Well almost succeeded: now I live 20 km away from it!

Stephen.


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Hi all,

A couple of key points about re-vitalizing the adrenals.

One is from Dr. Bob Marshall, brilliant medical sleuth who has a
radio program and sells high quality products. He emphatically
states that in order to re-build adrenals, one absolutely must
get five straight hours of sleep a night, within your bedtime
sleeping span of time. That is, if you are in bed eight hours,
then five of those hours you must be sleeping, or AT LEAST
not getting up, or even lifting your head to look at the clock.
And you need to do that at least 5 out of 7 nights every week.
Also, rather imperative to retire by 10:00 pm too. Ugh, I know,
who wants to do that, but those little adrenals like it.

So, if you need to arise several times a night to urinate, best not
to take liquids after 4:00 pm or so, or whatever works for you.

He has a wonderful adrenal support product, which I don't buy
because it's too expensive for me. But I have been taking
Gaia's adrenal support formula for years now and f-i-n-a-l-l-y
my adrenals are spiffing up. Dont' get dizzy anymore from
standing up from reclining position (one sign of adrenal fatigue),
and have a quicker recovery time from really knocking myself
out (like multiple days off getting up much earlier than usual
for conferences). It has taken, and is taking, much much longer
than I had hoped and really have patience for.

I think a lot of the AF products, like the glandulars and such, can be
helpful, but also can just prop up the adrenals and not really refurbish
them.

Adrenals love nettles. Get the loose stuff and make an infusion, simmering
(not full on boiling) 20 minutes, steep 10, strain. Lots of minerals, and
good
for bones, too.

I wholeheartedly agree with Giles, too, about doing QiGong. It is probably
the easiest, cheapest, most efficacious thing that we can do to tonify our
body's energy system, build stamina, and increase resilience. I'm banking
on it curing me of ES (after I get these pesky amalgams outtta my mouth!).
Dr. (Mehmet) Oz even said so on Oprah a few years ago when she asked
when what he thought the one thing people could do to improve their health.

Loving those little adrenals,

Lily


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