Back online, and a question about shielding fabrics

Hello all,

Been offline while relocating from California to Kentucky. Now
looking forward to catching up on all your posts! A big "Howdy" to
the group's old-timers and a belated welcome to the new members.
It's nice to be back. :-)

Quick question about shielding fabrics. Has anyone had good results
with using shielding fabrics (usually metallic) to line hats and
clothing? Lessemf.com. has quite a selection but I wanted to get
feedback from the group before I start anything. Straitguy has such
positive things to say about Velostat that I'm considering making a
velostat hat. Unfortunately the plasticky material isn't really
suitable for clothes, so I'm looking at fabrics too. Any comparisons
welcome.

PS, I'm not much of a sewer, so this would be a big undertaking for
me. Would love your input. Thanks.

Cara

 

Welcome back, Cara!

Hopefully the EMF where you live now is better than where you were.
And hopefully, you'll have found a source for raw dairy products... :-)

> Quick question about shielding fabrics. Has anyone had good results
> with using shielding fabrics (usually metallic) to line hats and
> clothing?

It's been so long since I tried this (6 years!), that I cannot
remember my reaction to this. I think they may have actually
made me *worse*, as the metal attracts more EMF to you. Seems
like if you're going to use metal shielding, you should
keep your distance from it (like, for example, keep it more
than 7 feet away from you)

Marc

Hi Marc, We haven't yet moved into a permanent address here in Kentucky
but we're close to renting a place that FEELS very quiet/cool
energetically. It's odd because there's a CELL PHONE TOWER very close
by! (Practically next door.) Scary, huh? And yet, the apartment
building is energetically the "coolest" we have felt anywhere, and you
know we looked for over a year in California. We think this may be
because of the hilly terrain, the apartment is on a downslope 20 feet
below the cell tower and maybe it just happens to be a quiet/dead zone
for microwaves? Like a small, "good" EMF microclimate in the midst of
the surrounding noise?

We're nervous about the cell tower for obvious reasons but willing to
take a chance because the apartment itself feels so good energetically.
Still, I am looking into shielded clothing because I know we'll be
exposed every time we step outside our front door...

No, we have not yet found a source for raw dairy products here. There
is one local Whole Foods store and they told me my best bet is to get a
time-share on a local cow, as Andrew once suggested. I'll be looking
into that as soon as we're more settled. We really miss the Organic
Pastures products! Tell me, did Organic Pastures ever send you the raw
milk you ordered?? I know their supply is limited and they haven't
always been able to respond to mail orders.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>
> Hopefully the EMF where you live now is better than where you were.
> And hopefully, you'll have found a source for raw dairy products... :-
>I think [metallic shielded clothing] may have actually
> made me *worse*, as the metal attracts more EMF to you. >
> Marc
>

> Tell me, did Organic Pastures ever send you the raw
> milk you ordered?? I know their supply is limited and they haven't
> always been able to respond to mail orders.

As it turns out, my problems with Organic Pastures were limited
to orders made around Christmas/New Years. They've been reliable
ever since. In recent weeks I've taken a special interest in
their Kefir, as this seemed to be even more beneficial to me than
their milk. Not surprising I guess -- I typically respond well
to things with a lot of beneficial bacteria.

And in the case of Kefir, I compared it with the local health food
store brand (Helios). The Helios also seems beneficial, but not
as much as the stuff from Organic Pastures (which uses
colostrum instead of milk)

(and no, I haven't tried their colostrum yet -- every time I
look at the price, I decide against it!)

Marc

> Still, I am looking into shielded clothing because I know we'll be
> exposed every time we step outside our front door...

So I take it that you've had no luck with EMF protection devices
when going out & about? This is what I rely on entirely when
I'm on the move, and I think they work rather well.

(and which devices have you tried when going out & about?)

Marc

The only portable device we've tried is the Springlife Polarizer.
Uncertain about that--possibly because my husband wasn't well enough in
California to get out and about much anyway, so we weren't able to test
it often. We thought it helped a little bit once or twice, but the
effect was dramatic or conclusive.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> So I take it that you've had no luck with EMF protection devices
> when going out & about? >

> Marc

> The only portable device we've tried is the Springlife Polarizer.
> Uncertain about that--possibly because my husband wasn't well enough in
> California to get out and about much anyway, so we weren't able to test
> it often. We thought it helped a little bit once or twice, but the
> effect was dramatic or conclusive.

That's what I use for the most part when I'm out & about. Although
I'm prone to excess detox symptoms if I bring a large polarizer
to a benign environment (I guess if it has no need to balance
the environment, it instead tries to balance me!).

I have noted however that the Springlife Polarizers don't work
well for certain types of fields (plasma TV screens, LCD monitors),
so in these cases I bring along my Quantum Companion. This is
pretty pricy item though (almost $300), so I think many people
would be better off trying stuff in the below-$100 range
before resorting to this (especially since this is the weakest
item that Quantum Products makes).

Marc

> I have noted however that the Springlife Polarizers don't work
> well for certain types of fields (plasma TV screens, LCD monitors),
> so in these cases I bring along my Quantum Companion

By the way, on the subject of portable devices, I noted recently
a new device, the "PAL Personal and Auto Clear" from Quantum
Life:

http://www.promolife.com/products/active.htm

Superficially, this appears to be similar to the Quantum
Companion, although it appears to be quite a bit larger,
and has a much shorter battery life. Also, the Quantum
Companion is adjustable, where this one is not.

I suppose if I had an extra $200 to throw away, I'd try
this out for comparison purposes. :-)

Note that Quantum Life is a sister company to QuantumQRT.com
(I verified this by emailing QuantumQRT.com), which specializes
in noise reduction products in the audiophile industry. Both
of these companies are based on similar technology as
QuantumProducts.com, as all of the these companies are
outgrowths of a company that went out of business in the
late 1990's (Global Coherence).

Marc

I wear the LessEMF hat much of the day, and wear their 'T-shirt'
protection at night. And it helps a lot, I sleep much better, and have
better mood and a bit more energy. I have CFS, so this is significant.

I tested their hat with my wife's cell phone. When I wrap the phone in
the hat the reception goes from four bars down to two bars. This is
pretty good reduction! As a comparison, when I wrap the phone in
aluminum foil, it goes from four bars to one bar, so the hat is doing
almost as good as foil.

I plan to purchase some of the same fabric they use in the hat's lining,
to make lining for other hats, so I have some variety.

--Kurt

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fabrics

Hello all,

Been offline while relocating from California to Kentucky. Now
looking forward to catching up on all your posts! A big "Howdy" to
the group's old-timers and a belated welcome to the new members.
It's nice to be back. :-)

Quick question about shielding fabrics. Has anyone had good results
with using shielding fabrics (usually metallic) to line hats and
clothing? Lessemf.com. has quite a selection but I wanted to get
feedback from the group before I start anything. Straitguy has such
positive things to say about Velostat that I'm considering making a
velostat hat. Unfortunately the plasticky material isn't really
suitable for clothes, so I'm looking at fabrics too. Any comparisons
welcome.

PS, I'm not much of a sewer, so this would be a big undertaking for
me. Would love your input. Thanks.

Cara







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Kurt, this is great feedback--exactly the sort of information I'm
looking for. Thank you very much.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Kurt R." <kurt@...> wrote:
>
> I wear the LessEMF hat much of the day, and wear their 'T-shirt'
> protection at night. And it helps a lot, I sleep much better, and
have
> better mood and a bit more energy. I have CFS, so this is
significant.
>  
> I tested their hat with my wife's cell phone. When I wrap the
phone in
> the hat the reception goes from four bars down to two bars. This
is
> pretty good reduction! As a comparison, when I wrap the phone in
> aluminum foil, it goes from four bars to one bar, so the hat is
doing
> almost as good as foil.
>  
> I plan to purchase some of the same fabric they use in the hat's
lining,
> to make lining for other hats, so I have some variety.
>  
> --Kurt

Welcome to the South, Cara. I live in Raleigh, NC.
Let me know if you need help finding local milk. I have connected with
a couple of dairies here. It took me a while to dig them up and find
them.
Andrew
On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Cara wrote:

My hat from lessemf is a regular staple of mine. I did wear some of the
silver mesh shirts and that lessened the intestinal pain around cell
phones.The copper wall paint question is still up in the air because
even though it is grounded, I am still feeling energy running on my
face and my head is still buzzing from RF at night.
I have been experimenting with grounding fabrics on the bed and
shielding on the windows. I haven't found the right recipe yet.
I made a velostat hat and lined it with cloth RF fabric and I wear that
at night sometimes. It doesn't stop the energy from crawling on my face
or corners of my eyes but it does take the buzz out of my head.
Andrew

On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Cara wrote:

You have no idea how much I appreciate your feedback, Andrew. Was
just wondering whether the copper paint would be worth the trouble
and expense. (At least it didn't make your symptoms worse? I was
worried about that possibility; it would be a huge pain to remove
the paint that were the case.) Will definitely order the cap and
silver mesh shirt today. Possibly some of the Naturashield fabric
too. If I feel brave I'll try to sew, if not it will be a turban and
a toga. Yes, I'll setting the fashion bar high in Louisville this
year... :-)

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> My hat from lessemf is a regular staple of mine. I did wear some
of the
> silver mesh shirts and that lessened the intestinal pain around
cell
> phones.The copper wall paint question is still up in the air
because
> even though it is grounded, I am still feeling energy running on
my
> face and my head is still buzzing from RF at night.
> I have been experimenting with grounding fabrics on the bed and
> shielding on the windows. I haven't found the right recipe yet.
> I made a velostat hat and lined it with cloth RF fabric and I wear
that
> at night sometimes. It doesn't stop the energy from crawling on my
face
> or corners of my eyes but it does take the buzz out of my head.
> Andrew
>
> On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Cara wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Been offline while relocating from California to Kentucky. Now
> > looking forward to catching up on all your posts! A big "Howdy"
to
> > the group's old-timers and a belated welcome to the new members.
> > It's nice to be back. :-)
> >
> > Quick question about shielding fabrics. Has anyone had good
results
> > with using shielding fabrics (usually metallic) to line hats and
> > clothing? Lessemf.com. has quite a selection but I wanted to get
> > feedback from the group before I start anything. Straitguy has
such
> > positive things to say about Velostat that I'm considering
making a
> > velostat hat. Unfortunately the plasticky material isn't really
> > suitable for clothes, so I'm looking at fabrics too. Any
comparisons
> > welcome.
> >
> > PS, I'm not much of a sewer, so this would be a big undertaking
for

Kurt,
Don't you have any strange sensation wearing such hat? Also, have you tried
wearing an aluminum foil "hat"...
By the way, such hats when you don't wrap them around don't diminish mobile
phone reception, they can reflect radiation (= enhance reception) even!

Drasko

Yes, I do get a noticeable sensation at first, a kind of relaxing effect
in the middle of the head. After awhile it is less prominent. I take
the hat off regularly to 'de-Gauss' it, don't know if that really
matters, but it seems to help.

No, I have not and will not wear aluminum foil on my head. Aside from
the fact that aluminum hats are out of style, I also believe it is a
very bad idea because foil could build up a static charge and act as a
capacitor.

I don't believe this hat reflects radiation because the EMF-blocking
lining is a grid of steel fibers, ultra thin and lines spaced like graph
paper. It should be breaking up the wave patterns, and probably not
much else. BUT, just to be sure, I only wear the hat when I am sitting
or standing vertically, I try to remember to take it off if I recline or
lay down, so it does not become a parabolic reflector from the cell
tower that sits a half mile away.

Incidentally, the EMF-blocking T-shirt cover is also helpful, but the
effect is not as strong as the hat. The hat is more significant, which
leads me to suspect that it is a gland in the brain that is broken with
EMS and CFS type illness, probably the Pineal.

--Kurt



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Kurt,
Don't you have any strange sensation wearing such hat? Also, have you
tried
wearing an aluminum foil "hat"...
By the way, such hats when you don't wrap them around don't diminish
mobile
phone reception, they can reflect radiation (= enhance reception) even!

Drasko






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I also wear the same Hat
This hat is a must for ems people
i started using it in 2004 and i havent stopped.
When i am without it - i know about it.

Healing happens at the DNA level, as Dr. Litovitz states
in his video presentation at the whitehouse, (energyfields.org)
explaining that DNA can be replaced, but high amounts of
EMF exposure prevents 100% healing.
This is why this hat is so important,
it sheilds the brain and lets some healing begin.
Its not an overnight change, it takes time.
So those who may have tried it and say it doesnt work
likely didnt give it long enough.

the "silver screening" also does wonders,
drape it over your computer monitor and
FEEL the difference right away,  
And when in doubt take the mesh OFF the computer monitor,
youll feel like you just got Blasted by Radiation
I promise you that youll never work without it again!

These products work - just wish they came in
more colors and styles.- as many i know have suggested
to the company that ships them out to people.
You can always order the fabric thats in these hats
and insert them in your own hat but avoid hats with metal
(even though this one has metal it works for some,
but others had to removed the metal components)

I know close friends that also use them
and they dont leave home without them

Hi Cara welcome back,,

About paints, it is expensive but if there is anything, it would be the stardust from tachyon (atti tm) i would recommend, or paint to protect, and more heal.. Would use it over any other "shielding" paint..

Did not feel bad once painting (doing the job) iron oxide color with waterpaint, may just have been the state i was in.. was doing the painting while in a state of something..

Fabrics the same (do not know if they have a replacement for the silk yet (as the wormlets got hurt lately, ,yeah they're all right..i guess, snooze you loose, should have gotten that silk scarf ellen..)

matresspad, whatever...../// just oay elsewhere,,,


Anywho,

Love

Cara <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello all,

Been offline while relocating from California to Kentucky. Now
looking forward to catching up on all your posts! A big "Howdy" to
the group's old-timers and a belated welcome to the new members.
It's nice to be back. :-)

Quick question about shielding fabrics. Has anyone had good results
with using shielding fabrics (usually metallic) to line hats and
clothing? Lessemf.com. has quite a selection but I wanted to get
feedback from the group before I start anything. Straitguy has such
positive things to say about Velostat that I'm considering making a
velostat hat. Unfortunately the plasticky material isn't really
suitable for clothes, so I'm looking at fabrics too. Any comparisons
welcome.

PS, I'm not much of a sewer, so this would be a big undertaking for
me. Would love your input. Thanks.

Cara







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> About paints, it is expensive but if there is anything, it would be the
> stardust from tachyon (atti tm) i would recommend, or paint to protect,
> and more heal.. Would use it over any other "shielding" paint..

Isn't that a paint-additive? Do you have experience with this?

I would hesitate to use *any* solution which cannot be undone... as
you could theoretically have an unforseen bad reaction. And undoing
paint seems pretty difficult!

Marc

Hi,

Guess it is to add to paint yes.. Very expensive..Ingredients are silicon dioxide, aluminum oxide, sodium oxide, potassium oxide, calcium oxide, iron oxide, magnesium oxide..(tachyonized).. Have only had positive experience with tachyon products// Wonder if adding this to paint will help as tachyonization fortifies the properties of materials??

Guess my next paintjob is just gonna be waterpaint and iron oxide colour again, maybe use prillwater to mix ; ) (at least it answers my question if i can tachyonize iron oxide, otr at least load it up before i do the job.. Oilpaints are out they have always made me sick,/

Would not really paint copperpaint, just go on intuition..

Sell hardware actually.. Getting some iron oxide on me does not mess up my day (except for reddening, or yellowing it up..) Steal nails (the ones for cement) are another story.. They too leave a film on your fingers and are highly magnetic.. they can still make me feel dim very quick, so i let the customers count them out (they think using gloves is silly)..

In the bedroom this is no issue as i have no walls.. Do feel that maybe being pretty much out in the elements may have contributed to my recovery as well.. Of course living in the jungle is always better then in the city (or what kinda stetement is that??0;)

Love



Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> About paints, it is expensive but if there is anything, it would be the
> stardust from tachyon (atti tm) i would recommend, or paint to protect,
> and more heal.. Would use it over any other "shielding" paint..

Isn't that a paint-additive? Do you have experience with this?

I would hesitate to use *any* solution which cannot be undone... as
you could theoretically have an unforseen bad reaction. And undoing
paint seems pretty difficult!

Marc


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