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In our travel trailer we are building, we are still needing ceiling and interior wall product. B/c of my EHS, we were planning on putting in the Argen mesh in the floor, ceiling, and walls. Was also told in my research that solid steel for walls would give me the same protection. However the trailer itself is getting rather heavy and we would like to not add much more weight plus I am not finding wall panels that would do the job and be somewhat attractive. Been looking at Aluminum interiors that some RV's have with the while aluminum cabinets, walls, etc.... 1. It would be lighter in weight, 2. more attractive.
Wondered though would aluminum wall panels give me the EMF protection needed from like the Argen Mesh or other type of copper hardware cloth? If not, where then could I find steel panels or porcelain steel panels that would be somewhat attractive? Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly.
The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. You might look into conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions.com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies). On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:17 AM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > In our travel trailer we are building, we are still needing ceiling and > interior wall product. B/c of my EHS, we were planning on putting in the > Argen mesh in the floor, ceiling, and walls. Was also told in my research > that solid steel for walls would give me the same protection. However the > trailer itself is getting rather heavy and we would like to not add much > more weight plus I am not finding wall panels that would do the job and be > somewhat attractive. Been looking at Aluminum interiors that some RV's have > with the while aluminum cabinets, walls, etc.... 1. It would be lighter in > weight, 2. more attractive. > > Wondered though would aluminum wall panels give me the EMF protection > needed from like the Argen Mesh or other type of copper hardware cloth? > > If not, where then could I find steel panels or porcelain steel panels that > would be somewhat attractive? > Kris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly.
Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions.com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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>A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could maketo go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote: From: K <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hotwith the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The best way is to place a curtain over the complete wall, not just de
window. Best is Swiss Shield from Biologa. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could make to go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote: From: K <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Ok I'll check it out. That would be a pretty big area & might be quite expensive. Loni
--- On Sun, 3/7/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:05 PM The best way is to place a curtain over the complete wall, not just de window. Best is Swiss Shield from Biologa. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could make to go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote: From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes. With radar you have to worry a bit more about small holes.
You'll want to get some honeycomb shielding for ventilation. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that > fly frequently? > > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > all the way around, it should be OK. > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions.com, > > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > penetrations. > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > yeah that is true too. > > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide > aluminum tape across the seams should > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > project finished! > > > Kris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Loni,
Try heavy duty aluminum foil on a piece of plywood or card board. It is at least allow you to see, relatively cheaply, whether it works before you commit to alot of money. It that works, you could get a carpenter to make you special shutters for your windows. You might have to ground them for them to work. Or have them beyond the window frame. But you can check this out ahead by using the foil. My 2 cents, Diane --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:01 PM >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could maketo go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote: From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hotwith the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again, Loni,
I personally am doing this, Loni.... I am making my curtains I want for decor, full length and full width of most of the rooms (I am using low cost linen, cotton duck, and cotton sheets, so all is machine washable and easy care, which is why I am doing the making). Then I'm making a backing curtain out of emf blocking fabric which will hang behind theouter curtain. But I found I also needed aluminum screening for the outsides of the windows: I contacted a building biologist and he saidto use a cell phone before and after installing or even experimenting withthis. You should see over 2 bars lower, if your shielding is working; if not use another or add another material. I tried this and it works well, so I am going to proceed on all my windows with this. But ifit didn't do the job, I could go with extra shutters. In the back and one side of my house, I am adding pine trees outside to help shield, but I know you live in an arid climate where that won't likely work. Wish you the best, Diane --- On Sun, 3/7/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:05 PM The best way is to place a curtain over the complete wall, not just de window. Best is Swiss Shield from Biologa. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could make to go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote: From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that fly frequently? The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact all the way around, it should be OK. So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have penetrations. Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. yeah that is true too. Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide aluminum tape across the seams should help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this project finished! Kris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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For night time use I've seen the mylar coated bubble wrap stuff
known as radiant barrier... Astrofoil is one brand. You can get another brand at Home Depot etc. What's nice is it also blocks heat loss at night. Aluminum foil with no seams should work even better, but as Charles says a continuous covering over a larger area will work better. I have stucco walls and am toying with the idea of adding some hardware cloth at the top of the wall to make the wall higher on the outside, since I haven't shielded the ceiling. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi again, Loni, > > I personally am doing this, Loni.... I am making my curtains I want for > decor, full length and full width of most of the rooms (I am using low cost > linen, cotton duck, and cotton sheets, so all is machine washable and easy > care, which is why I am doing the making). Then I'm making a backing > curtain out of emf blocking fabric which will hang behind the outer > curtain. But I found I also needed aluminum screening for the outsides of > the windows: I contacted a building biologist and he said to use a cell > phone before and after installing or even experimenting with this. You > should see over 2 bars lower, if your shielding is working; if not use > another or add another material. I tried this and it works well, so I am > going to proceed on all my windows with this. But if it didn't do the job, > I could go with extra shutters. In the back and one side of my house, I am > adding pine trees outside to help shield, but I know you live in an arid > climate where that won't likely work. > > Wish you the best, > Diane > > > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > wrote: > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:05 PM > > > > > The best way is to place a curtain over the complete wall, not just de > window. > Best is Swiss Shield from Biologa. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes. nl > www.milieuziektes. be > www.hetbitje. nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows > > >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master > Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could > make to go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least > ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. > > So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there > something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. > > Loni > > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that > fly frequently? > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > all the way around, it should be OK. > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > penetrations. > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > yeah that is true too. > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide > aluminum tape across the seams should > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot > > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time > > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > project finished! > > Kris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Bill, Diane, & Charles!
All good suggestions. I think I'll try the aluminum first. I have spent alot on the window sheilding already. Then I'll look at the other two suggestions! I'll make a note. I have this big king size bed with organic mattress I haven't been able to sleep on for 3 plus years now. Even if I could ocassionally sleep on it it would be wonderful you know! Loni --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:17 PM For night time use I've seen the mylar coated bubble wrap stuff known as radiant barrier... Astrofoil is one brand. You can get another brand at Home Depot etc. What's nice is it also blocks heat loss at night. Aluminum foil with no seams should work even better, but as Charles says a continuous covering over a larger area will work better. I have stucco walls and am toying with the idea of adding some hardware cloth at the top of the wall to make the wall higher on the outside, since I haven't shielded the ceiling. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi again, Loni, > > I personally am doing this, Loni.... I am making my curtains I want for > decor, full length and full width of most of the rooms (I am using low cost > linen, cotton duck, and cotton sheets, so all is machine washable and easy > care, which is why I am doing the making). Then I'm making a backing > curtain out of emf blocking fabric which will hang behind the outer > curtain. But I found I also needed aluminum screening for the outsidesof > the windows: I contacted a building biologist and he said to use a cell > phone before and after installing or even experimenting with this. You > should see over 2 bars lower, if your shielding is working; if not use > another or add another material. I tried this and it works well, so I am > going to proceed on all my windows with this. But if it didn't do the job, > I could go with extra shutters. In the back and one side of my house, I am > adding pine trees outside to help shield, but I know you live in an arid > climate where that won't likely work. > > Wish you the best, > Diane > > > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > wrote: > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:05 PM > > > > > The best way is to place a curtain over the complete wall, not just de > window. > Best is Swiss Shield from Biologa. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes. nl > www.milieuziektes. be > www.hetbitje. nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls/Windows > > >A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > I have RF shielding up on my windows but still can't tolerate the Master > Bedroom (too close to towers) I wanted to put a removable shield I could > make to go over the window in there & try to sleep in there at least > ocassionally. Something I could take down during day. > > So this comment from K suggests aluminum! Does everyone agree Or is there > something else i can use that might be better. Mu metal is too expensive. > > Loni > > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:14 AM > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that > fly frequently? > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > all the way around, it should be OK. > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions. com, > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > penetrations. > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > yeah that is true too. > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide > aluminum tape across the seams should > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot > > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time > > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > project finished! > > Kris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I'm not understanding the honeycomb shielding with ventilation concept. Can you explain?
Kris --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote: > > Yes. With radar you have to worry a bit more about small holes. > You'll want to get some honeycomb shielding for ventilation. > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, K <kfarming@...> wrote: > > > > > > > A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that > > fly frequently? > > > > > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > > all the way around, it should be OK. > > > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, > > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions.com, > > > > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > > penetrations. > > > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > > > > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > > yeah that is true too. > > > > > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide > > aluminum tape across the seams should > > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel wouldbe > > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes > > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do sohot > > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time > > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > > project finished! > > > > > > Kris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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http://www.pacificpanels.com/custom.html
Bill Is this what you were talking about? How much protection would one get from panels like these? I'm already getting 50 db from the Heavy Duty Faraday Canopy plus then the soft and safe shielding fabric and I was still tremoring. If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue and how do you deal with that? Kris ________________________________ From: Kris <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 8:32:18 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls I'm not understanding the honeycomb shielding with ventilation concept. Can you explain? Kris --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote: > > Yes. With radar you have to worry a bit more about small holes. > You'll want to get some honeycomb shielding for ventilation. > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, K <kfarming@...> wrote: > > > > > > > A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets that > > fly frequently? > > > > > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > > all the way around, it should be OK. > > > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, ceiling, > > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from siliconesolutions.com, > > > > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > > penetrations. > > > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > > > > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > > yeah that is true too. > > > > > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or wide > > aluminum tape across the seams should > > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would be > > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that comes > > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so hot > > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long time > > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > > project finished! > > > > > > Kris > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Lindgren sells honeycomb panels designed for
RF screen room ventilation. You must get good conductive contact between it and the shield all the way around. If you go that route you should also use special glass designed for this with a conductive frame. Some people are vibrations sensitive apparently and I don't know how to address it. How you do your installation probably matters more than the materials; if you can measure 40dB improvement you've done a great job. If the planes are flying low 40dB may not be enough, and a second layer may help. But first find all the leaks with a directional detector. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:58 AM, K <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > http://www.pacificpanels.com/custom.html > Bill Is this what you were talking about? How much protection would one get > from panels like these? > I'm already getting 50 db from the Heavy Duty Faraday Canopy plus then the > soft and safe shielding fabric and I was still tremoring. > > If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue > and how do you deal with that? > Kris > > ________________________________ > From: Kris <[hidden email] <kfarming%40yahoo.com>> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 8:32:18 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls > > > I'm not understanding the honeycomb shielding with ventilation concept. Can > you explain? > Kris > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno > <wbruno@...> wrote: > > > > Yes. With radar you have to worry a bit more about small holes. > > You'll want to get some honeycomb shielding for ventilation. > > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, K <kfarming@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A sheet of aluminum will block microwaves perfectly. > > > > > > Will it protect me from RADAR coming from the multiple military jets > that > > > fly frequently? > > > > > > > > > The trick is to have conductivity across seams, and > > > not to have metal penetrations that will act like antennas. > > > If the penetrating object makes good electrical contact > > > all the way around, it should be OK. > > > > > > So it would be best to stick with the copper mesh in the floors, > ceiling, > > > and walls, and over windows to totally be protected? > > > > > > You might lookinto conductive silicone caulk from > siliconesolutions.com, > > > > > > but it's expensive. Ideally weld everything or not have > > > penetrations. > > > > > > Can't use caulking b/c of Chemical sensitivities. > > > > > > > > > Steel is better if you have 60 Hz fields to worry about. > > > yeah that is true too. > > > > > > > > > Copper is nice because the surface will stay conductive > > > better; with aluminum the joints will not stay conductive > > > unless you do something to prevent oxidation (or weld the seams... or > wide > > > aluminum tape across the seams should > > > help thanks to capacitative coupling at high frequencies) > > > > > > seams will be a challenge b/c the need to weld and overlap. Steel would > be > > > easier in that case. However Chemically, I can't handle the oil that > comes > > > on steel, so we'd have to wash that off. > > > Then I absolutely reacted to the steel primer from AFM and didn't do so > hot > > > with the exterior no voc paint. The Interior paint must off gas a long > time > > > before I can move in. These jets are back now and we need to get this > > > project finished! > > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue > and how do you deal with that? > Kris > Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you need to give it time to settle down. - puk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of my living time right now I never feel good.
Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well. Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than it was this past summer. Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a drug, a chemical.... I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster than I can keep it. I get shots for it weekly. I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12) shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's, and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple of weeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these get better the EHS will go away. I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft and safe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor. I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing. ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue > and how do you deal with that? > Kris > Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you need to give it time to settle down. - puk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing. pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto ? how do you cope with all of this ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue > and how do you deal with that? > Kris There is a company in UK called Hitek that specialises in this try looking them up ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue > and how do you deal with that? > Kris Puk replies - do you have any wind turbines near you that might be putting out infrasaound ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)
I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now. Kris ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing. pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto ? how do you cope with all of this ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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