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Mar 09, 2010; 1:22pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

No but there are grain dryer bins just a 1/2 to a mile that I do react from. they can give off a pulsating low frequency that makes me react the same way the jets do. I wonder if the jets do give off infrasound since I can feel them before I hear them. They "woosh" around so much and so fast.
I do wonder about the Wind Turbine Syndrome since it's the same symptoms I get from the fans in the grain bins.
Kirs

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From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:07:44 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> and how do you deal with that?
> Kris

Puk replies - do you have any wind turbines near you that might be putting
out infrasaound ?

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cocopollyphenol

Mar 09, 2010; 1:32pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

I have lyme, which amplified MCS and apparently now some ES.

It's not just that its immune suppressing (which it is).

The toxin overwhelms your detox system especially IF you have vulnerable genetics (somewhat faulty detox).

Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric" seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle and squiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough to swim thru.

Not to gross you out ;) but the fact is, there may well be certain frequencies that irritate or agitate them.

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of my living time right now I never feel good.
>
> Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well. Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than itwas this past summer.
>
> Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's
>
> The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a drug, a chemical....
>
> I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster than I can keep it. I get shots for it weekly.
> I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12) shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's, and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day
>
>
> I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple of weeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM
>
> They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these get better the EHS will go away.
>
> I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft and safe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor.
>
> I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do isto dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: "paulpjc@..." <paulpjc@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
>
> In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
> writes:
>
> If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> > and how do you deal with that?
> > Kris
> >
>
>
>
> Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may
> still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you need
> to give it time to settle down. - puk
>
>
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PUK

Mar 09, 2010; 2:50pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

In a message dated 09/03/2010 14:42:30 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love
nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies
stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric"
seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel
wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle and
squiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt
up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough
to swim thru.

Yes these little fuckers are on the increase here in the UK MY SON 5YRS AGO
WAS BITTEN AND DEVELOPED THE RASH i NOTICED IT HAVING PULLED THE TICK OUT
A WEEK BEFORE WE THEN GOT HIM ON A LONG COURSE OF DOXYCYCLINE AND WE HOPE
HE GOT THROUGH !!!

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PUK

Mar 09, 2010; 3:00pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

In a message dated 09/03/2010 13:18:08 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose
in all of this. I just can't see it right now.
Kris

PUK replies - well as for God he works in mysterious ways, let me share
this with you, the other day I went to a carboot sale a regular seller who
knows my ES plight always asks how I am going, after chatting with him I moved
on to other stalls, low and behold shining like a diamond in the sun, a 45
single record was on this stall with a cover in big bright letters saying
"EMF - I beleive" ! I was taken aback by the strangness of this and told
the ladt, who after a while confided in me that her 10yr old son was ill,
having had blood tests for fatigue and headaches with nothing to show, he
wuld come home from school and want to go to bed to sleep, she admitted her
fear that as they lived near a telephone mast, and after me enquiring I
learned that she has the classic wireless house wifi, dect etc and above all
told me that her son lived on his IPHONE !!! I think it was providence that
this record coover presented itself to me, as she now knows of the condition
ES !!!! Everything has a reason and purpose...

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Mar 09, 2010; 9:54pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by cocopollyphenol

This is very interesting. I will have to research this. Never ever heard of Spirochetes. Thanks for this info.
What type of symptoms to you suffer with and from what type of ES exposures?
Does the Spirochetes do this as well with Chemical exposures too?
Kris

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From: cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:32:24 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

I have lyme, which amplified MCS and apparently now some ES.

It's not just that its immune suppressing (which it is).

The toxin overwhelms your detox system especially IF you have vulnerable genetics (somewhat faulty detox).

Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric" seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle and squiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough to swim thru.

Not to gross you out ;) but the fact is, there may well be certain frequencies that irritate or agitate them.

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of my living time right now I never feel good.
>
> Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well. Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than it was this past summer.
>
> Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's
>
> The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a drug, a chemical....
>
> I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster than I can keep it. I get shots for it weekly.
> I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12) shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's, and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day
>
>
> I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple of weeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM
>
> They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these get better the EHS will go away.
>
> I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft and safe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor.
>
> I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "paulpjc@..." <paulpjc@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
>
> In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
> writes:
>
> If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> > and how do you deal with that?
> > Kris
> >
>
>
>
> Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may
> still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you need
> to give it time to settle down. - puk
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Mar 09, 2010; 9:58pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by PUK

does this get better with treatment? Have you found improvements in the ES reactions being on Tick borne treatment? and How long did it take for you to notice an improvement?
Kris

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From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:50:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 14:42:30 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love
nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies
stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric"
seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel
wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle and
squiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt
up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough
to swim thru.

Yes these little fuckers are on the increase here in the UK MY SON 5YRS AGO
WAS BITTEN AND DEVELOPED THE RASH i NOTICED IT HAVING PULLED THE TICK OUT
A WEEK BEFORE WE THEN GOT HIM ON A LONG COURSE OF DOXYCYCLINE AND WE HOPE
HE GOT THROUGH !!!

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BiBrun

Mar 09, 2010; 10:12pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

Might try a little red wine?... go easy because it probably will
go right to your head and you don't want a hangover. If you have
liver problems ask your doctor first. I literally found that just an ounce
or two was about right when I was worse... make sure it's good stuff without
too much sulfites. ALSO avoid MSG like the plague! Learn the other names
they use for it, be careful with processed foods in general. They even use
MSG as a crop spray in some places! No aspartame either.
And be sure you get some essential fatty acids... calcium, etc etc.
Bill

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:39 AM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of
> my living time right now I never feel good.
>
> Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne
> diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that
> these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the
> Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well.
> Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have
> a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than it was
> this past summer.
>
> Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of
> research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also
> attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's
>
> The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a
> drug, a chemical....
>
> I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster thanI
> can keep it. I get shots for it weekly.
> I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12)
> shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's,
> and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day
>
> I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple of
> weeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish
> someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything
> about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM
>
> They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the
> Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these get
> better the EHS will go away.
>
> I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate
> shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft and
> safe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a
> vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one
> specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor.
>
> I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it
> would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in
> the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is
> to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and
> TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.
>
> ________________________________
> From: "[hidden email] <paulpjc%40aol.com>" <[hidden email]<paulpjc%40aol.com>
> >
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
>
> In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> > and how do you deal with that?
> > Kris
> >
>
> Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may
> still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you
> need
> to give it time to settle down. - puk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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cocopollyphenol

Mar 09, 2010; 10:21pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

Lyme disease is a name based on the town it was discovered in here in America, Old Lyme, Connecticut, where there was an outbreak of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. It is caused by the spirochete borrelia burgdorferi (named after Willy Burgdorfer, who discovered it in the tick gut). That spirochete is far more complex than another well known spirochete, syphilis.

I"m speculating that the fact that borrelia spirochetes invade tissue, collagen, and nerve tissue, may make one more susceptible to electromagnetic frequencies.

I *never* had ES before this house and wifi router. I'm totally mystified. It may be somewhat sensitizing me now to wifi generally but I do stand in the lobby of the hotel where there's wifi and not feel too bad, and did get my hair done at a salon today and noticed a mild reaction and they had wifi. But when THIS router comes on (I was packing up stuff at the house today and had it off, but towards the end we turned it on for the other residentsand then I ended up talking to them for 15 minutes) I get a metallic taste, I get nerve pain down my left side (and I"ve been having some odd heat sensations and cramps on that left leg since the wifi exposure), and I just can't BEAR IT. The router has 3 antenna and one is slightly broken. Something is SURPASSINGLY strange about that router and the house I will never understand. I probably have some ES now but away from the router the metallic taste mostly went away, and I began to feel much better.

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> This is very interesting. I will have to research this. Never ever heardof Spirochetes. Thanks for this info.
> What type of symptoms to you suffer with and from what type of ES exposures?
> Does the Spirochetes do this as well with Chemical exposures too?
> Kris
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: cocopollyphenol <cocopollyphenol@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:32:24 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
> I have lyme, which amplified MCS and apparently now some ES.
>
> It's not just that its immune suppressing (which it is).
>
> The toxin overwhelms your detox system especially IF you have vulnerable genetics (somewhat faulty detox).
>
> Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric" seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle andsquiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough to swim thru.
>
> Not to gross you out ;) but the fact is, there may well be certain frequencies that irritate or agitate them.
>
> --- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@> wrote:
> >
> > And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of my living time right now I never feel good.
> >
> > Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well. Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than it was this past summer.
> >
> > Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's
> >
> > The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a drug, a chemical....
> >
> > I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster than I can keep it. I get shots for it weekly.
> > I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12)shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's, and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day
> >
> >
> > I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple ofweeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM
> >
> > They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these getbetter the EHS will go away.
> >
> > I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft andsafe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor.
> >
> > I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "paulpjc@" <paulpjc@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@
> > writes:
> >
> > If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> > > and how do you deal with that?
> > > Kris
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may
> > still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do youneed
> > to give it time to settle down. - puk
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
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cocopollyphenol

Mar 09, 2010; 10:23pm

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by K

Unfortunately for me I don't tolerate heavy duty antibiotics and anti babesia drugs well.
IF you can tolerate such a regimen and have a good liver, please go see a lyme literate MD and get treatment. IF You can kill these bugs off, and it could take months or years, your MCS and ES will go away.
HOWEVER, if you can't detox well, then treatment could make you worse.

It's really dependent on the individual.

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> does this get better with treatment? Have you found improvements in the ES reactions being on Tick borne treatment? and How long did it take for you to notice an improvement?
> Kris
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "paulpjc@..." <paulpjc@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:50:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
>
> In a message dated 09/03/2010 14:42:30 GMT Standard Time,
> cocopollyphenol@... writes:
>
> Moreover, spirochetes have been found wrapped around nerves etc. They love
> nerves (and collagen tissue). I've been wondering if certain frequencies
> stimulate them or irritate them, either one. They are very "electric"
> seeming. Have you ever watched a video of a spirochete penetrating a blood vessel
> wall. It's not like a bacteria it's like a little animal. They wiggle and
> squiggle like an eel, they have a flagella to help them swim, and they butt
> up against the vessel wall again and again until they've damaged it enough
> to swim thru.
>
>
>
> Yes these little fuckers are on the increase here in the UK MY SON 5YRS AGO
> WAS BITTEN AND DEVELOPED THE RASH i NOTICED IT HAVING PULLED THE TICK OUT
> A WEEK BEFORE WE THEN GOT HIM ON A LONG COURSE OF DOXYCYCLINE AND WE HOPE
> HE GOT THROUGH !!!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Mar 10, 2010; 2:37am

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

So Far I have been tolerating the antibiotics and will be adding the antiparasitic drugs next month. I do get Glutathione 2x a week to help with detoxing. NO I am actually missing part of the Gluathione DNA enzyme which helps a person detox.
I do have a good Tick Borne Doctor that I am closely working with. However he does not understand EHS and won't dip into it. Liver functions have stayed normal. Which the last part of 2008 I struggled with elevated liver enzymes due to the Sphincter of Oddi Dysfunction which after an ERCP and the cutting of it took care of that issue.

________________________________
From: cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 4:23:26 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

Unfortunately for me I don't tolerate heavy duty antibiotics and anti babesia drugs well.
IF you can tolerate such a regimen and have a good liver, please go see a lyme literate MD and get treatment. IF You can kill these bugs off, and it could take months or years, your MCS and ES will go away.
HOWEVER, if you can't detox well, then treatment could make you worse.

It's really dependent on the individual.

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Mar 10, 2010; 2:47am

Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In reply to this post by BiBrun

I avoid MSG and aspartame like the plague!!! :) Red wine? Never have. What is the benefit?
\Kris

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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 4:12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

Might try a little red wine?... go easy because it probably will
go right to your head and you don't want a hangover. If you have
liver problems ask your doctor first. I literally found that just an ounce
or two was about right when I was worse... make sure it's good stuff without
too much sulfites. ALSO avoid MSG like the plague! Learn the other names
they use for it, be careful with processed foods in general. They even use
MSG as a crop spray in some places! No aspartame either.
And be sure you get some essential fatty acids... calcium, etc etc.
Bill

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:39 AM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> And how do you do that? I would love to be able to calm things down. 95% of
> my living time right now I never feel good.
>
> Another twist to this is I am positive for Babesia and Erhlichia Tick borne
> diseases. Lyme's wasn't positive nor negative which probably means that
> these two diseases are suppressing the immune system down so much that the
> Lyme's isn't showing a positive. I am quite Chemically Sensitive as well.
> Even though we have eliminated a lot of the Chemical exposures I still have
> a tough time and a lot of brain fog. Seems like the EHS is worse than it was
> this past summer.
>
> Which of course looking at all these aspects, I did a tiny tiny bit of
> research. The Erhlichia not only attacks the white blood cells it also
> attacks the central nervous system as does the late stage Lyme's
>
> The only way I know to calm my body down is taking Xanax. Which again is a
> drug, a chemical....
>
> I continue to be very deficient in Magnesium. I get rid of it faster than I
> can keep it. I get shots for it weekly.
> I can only handle them weekly not 2x/week. I get Methylcobalmine (B12)
> shots 2x/week. Glutathione 2x/week take Buffered Vit C, Vit D3, Omega 3's,
> and potassium daily as well as the tick borne disease medication 3x/day
>
> I'm bothered more and more by the magnetic fields in the last couple of
> weeks than ever.... Is it b/c of the Tick borne disease treatment? I wish
> someone would answer these questions for me, My MD doesn't know anything
> about EHS, nor does my Allergist who's a member of the AAEM
>
> They all think that the EHS is the way my body is reacting to all the
> Chemical sensitivities, and the tick borne disease. They think as these get
> better the EHS will go away.
>
> I talked to a guy from lessemf. yesterday. He thinks I have adequate
> shielding from the Radar with the heavy duty faraday canopy and the soft and
> safe material. OK. well, if I am being protected enough, then is it a
> vibratory inner ear issue? AND THEN, What do you do for that? I went to one
> specialist and he judged me for being a psych case. Dumb doctor.
>
> I don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it
> would have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in
> the past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is
> to dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and
> TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.
>
> ________________________________
> From: "[hidden email] <paulpjc%40aol.com>" <[hidden email]<paulpjc%40aol.com>
> >
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:20:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
>
>
> In a message dated 08/03/2010 17:25:00 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> If I'm getting adequate protection from the RADAR, then is it a sound issue
> > and how do you deal with that?
> > Kris
> >
>
> Kris - Have you adressed the isssues of calming your body down, you may
> still be in alert mode even though you have reduced the problem, do you
> need
> to give it time to settle down. - puk
>
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stephen_vandevijvere

Mar 10, 2010; 3:45am

Re: A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

In reply to this post by K

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

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From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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Mar 10, 2010; 3:02pm

Re: God's Purpose Was:[eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Yeah that's one way of looking at it. I believe God created this world andcreated mankind in His own Image. He gave us minds to rule over this landand the animals living on it. Unfortunately sin entered and created disharmony with God. He sent His Son Jesus to save us from our sin because oursin separates us from God.

Sin is also destroying this earth. God gave us the ability to invent. But are some of these inventions good for us? Think of Chemicals, asbestos, etc... Even the technology that has been invented, Is it really that healthy for us? Yet we can't live without it... It's a gray area in life. God doesn't say in His Word(the Bible) that Cell phones, WIFI, RADAR, etc... is evil and stay away from it.

God doesn't say in His Word that following Him is a piece of cake. We willhave trials. This is obviously one of the trials I must go through. I pray a lot. Maybe this is my way of relaxation/meditation. I pray for Wisdom, I pray for understanding. I pray He will take this trial away from me. God has a reason a purpose for me going through this right now. But what I know and trust is that He will bring good out of it. He gives me grace and mercy everyday while dealing with this.

The other day, when the jets were flying, a friend of mine called. She said, "I hear the jets, I'm sure Kris is hurting, may I bring a meal?" You can call that a coincidence, I called it Divine intervention. God laid my name on her heart, prompted her to call, prompted her to bring a meal. I KNOW that was grace and mercy from God.

God is my only comfort, He gives me strength when I can't go on.

This isn't a sermon, This isn't me throwing Christianity down anyone's throat. I just wanted to share my experiences.

Kris

________________________________
From: Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:45:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

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From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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evie15422

Mar 14, 2010; 7:04pm

Re: A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

In reply to this post by stephen_vandevijvere

Hey, Stephen,

Well, evolution *might* happen--if the crazy corporations and government officials who allow all of this pollution (emf and chemical) don't erase us all from the planet in the meantime! But in my mind, all bets are off. lol

Diane

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel forWalls)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:45 PM

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/ nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

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From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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Jennie Wassenaar

Mar 14, 2010; 8:04pm

Re: God's Purpose Was:[eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

In reply to this post by K

Kris,

As a Christian I agree with what you have said. Looking at how sin has destroyed the life God intended us to live and realizing the bottom line is - Life is Hard but God is Good - can help keep things in perspective. Aside from that, one of the best ways I have come to terms with living with EMS &MCS is what I had written in my introduction post last year. See below.

I have actively done as much as I can to limit my exposure to the
substances that harm me. I have come to the conclusion that I will
never be "healed" unless I move to the outskirts of civilization and
that would probably only be temporary. With all the chemicals,
electronics and wireless our society uses it is just to pervasive and
invasive to avoid. I don't say this to be negative or depressing but
understanding this is going to be a life long process of trying to
eliminate and maintain helps me to keep things in prospective.

Good luck,

Jennie

________________________________
From: K <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:02:05 AM
Subject: Re: God's Purpose Was:[eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Yeah that's one way of looking at it. I believe God created this world andcreated mankind in His own Image. He gave us minds to rule over this landand the animals living on it. Unfortunately sin entered and created disharmony with God. He sent His Son Jesus to save us from our sin because oursin separates us from God.

Sin is also destroying this earth. God gave us the ability to invent. But are some of these inventions good for us? Think of Chemicals, asbestos, etc... Even the technology that has been invented, Is it really that healthy for us? Yet we can't live without it... It's a gray area in life. God doesn't say in His Word(the Bible) that Cell phones, WIFI, RADAR, etc... is evil and stay away from it.

God doesn't say in His Word that following Him is a piece of cake. We willhave trials. This is obviously one of the trials I must go through. I pray a lot. Maybe this is my way of relaxation/meditati on. I pray for Wisdom,I pray for understanding. I pray He will take this trial away from me. God has a reason a purpose for me going through this right now. But what I know and trust is that He will bring good out of it. He gives me grace andmercy everyday while dealing with this.

The other day, when the jets were flying, a friend of mine called. She said, "I hear the jets, I'm sure Kris is hurting, may I bring a meal?" You can call that a coincidence, I called it Divine intervention. God laid my name on her heart, prompted her to call, prompted her to bring a meal. I KNOW that was grace and mercy from God.

God is my only comfort, He gives me strength when I can't go on.

This isn't a sermon, This isn't me throwing Christianity down anyone's throat. I just wanted to share my experiences.

Kris

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From: Stephen Vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:45:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/ nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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Mar 14, 2010; 11:18pm

Re: God's Purpose

I agree with what you have said too Jennie. And in the midst of our illness God can still be glorified as He gives us daily mercies and grace to survive each day and each moment.
Kris

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:04:28 PM
Subject: Re: God's Purpose Was:[eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Kris,

As a Christian I agree with what you have said. Looking at how sin has destroyed the life God intended us to live and realizing the bottom line is - Life is Hard but God is Good - can help keep things in perspective. Aside from that, one of the best ways I have come to terms with living with EMS &MCS is what I had written in my introduction post last year. See below.

I have actively done as much as I can to limit my exposure to the
substances that harm me. I have come to the conclusion that I will
never be "healed" unless I move to the outskirts of civilization and
that would probably only be temporary. With all the chemicals,
electronics and wireless our society uses it is just to pervasive and
invasive to avoid. I don't say this to be negative or depressing but
understanding this is going to be a life long process of trying to
eliminate and maintain helps me to keep things in prospective.

Good luck,

Jennie

________________________________
From: K <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:02:05 AM
Subject: Re: God's Purpose Was:[eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Yeah that's one way of looking at it. I believe God created this world andcreated mankind in His own Image. He gave us minds to rule over this landand the animals living on it. Unfortunately sin entered and created disharmony with God. He sent His Son Jesus to save us from our sin because oursin separates us from God.

Sin is also destroying this earth. God gave us the ability to invent. But are some of these inventions good for us? Think of Chemicals, asbestos, etc... Even the technology that has been invented, Is it really that healthy for us? Yet we can't live without it... It's a gray area in life. God doesn't say in His Word(the Bible) that Cell phones, WIFI, RADAR, etc... is evil and stay away from it.

God doesn't say in His Word that following Him is a piece of cake. We willhave trials. This is obviously one of the trials I must go through. I pray a lot. Maybe this is my way of relaxation/meditati on. I pray for Wisdom,I pray for understanding. I pray He will take this trial away from me. God has a reason a purpose for me going through this right now. But what I know and trust is that He will bring good out of it. He gives me grace andmercy everyday while dealing with this.

The other day, when the jets were flying, a friend of mine called. She said, "I hear the jets, I'm sure Kris is hurting, may I bring a meal?" You can call that a coincidence, I called it Divine intervention. God laid my name on her heart, prompted her to call, prompted her to bring a meal. I KNOW that was grace and mercy from God.

God is my only comfort, He gives me strength when I can't go on.

This isn't a sermon, This isn't me throwing Christianity down anyone's throat. I just wanted to share my experiences.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Stephen Vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:45:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/ nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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Mar 14, 2010; 11:24pm

Re: A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

In reply to this post by evie15422

I can agree Diane about the corporations and gov't definitely having a lot of control and gaining a lot of money which has shut up true testing results of the harm and bad effects all this EMF and radiation has on a body.
But it's obviously having an effect if more and more people not only becomeEHS but also all the brain tumors that are popping up esp in young people(in their 20's)!\
Kris

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 2:04:11 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Hey, Stephen,

Well, evolution *might* happen--if the crazy corporations and government officials who allow all of this pollution (emf and chemical) don't erase us all from the planet in the meantime! But in my mind, all bets are off. lol

Diane

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel forWalls)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:45 PM

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/ nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

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From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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evie15422

Mar 15, 2010; 4:08am

Re: A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls)

Hi, Kris,

You are so right about brain tumors in young people (also thyroid tumors inyoung women!) I heard just yesterday that a close friend of my niece, a 20 yo girl, just learned she has a brain tumor. My cousin's daughter (also in her 20s) has a thyroid tumor.

Diane

--- On Sun, 3/14/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel forWalls)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 7:24 PM

I can agree Diane about the corporations and gov't definitely having a lot of control and gaining a lot of money which has shut up true testing results of the harm and bad effects all this EMF and radiation has on a body.
But it's obviously having an effect if more and more people not only becomeEHS but also all the brain tumors that are popping up esp in young people(in their 20's)!\
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 2:04:11 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel forWalls)

Hey, Stephen,

Well, evolution *might* happen--if the crazy corporations and government officials who allow all of this pollution (emf and chemical) don't erase us all from the planet in the meantime! But in my mind, all bets are off. lol

Diane

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Stephen Vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephen Vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] A little bit off-topic ;-) (Re: Aluminum vs. Steel forWalls)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:45 PM

About God's purpose,

Well I think there is some über-energy, some call it zero point energy, you may call it God!

That zero point energy is:

-present everywhere: all molecule/humans/ nature/planets
-linked with one another
-the fuel for everything

This zero point energy is driving one big evolution.

Right now humankind is in a crazy EMF-period, whether we like it or not... Mankind will learn and evolve, like it has evolved in the past... And in the meantime we'll try to make the best of it?

I don't think we can fight evolution, we're just part of it, all in our individual ways...

Stephen.

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:18 PM

NO you did not offend me in anyway. Please do not think you did! :)

I am very overwhelmed. and Cling on to the promise that God has a purpose in all of this. I just can't see it right now.

Kris

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From: "paulpjc@aol. com" <paulpjc@aol. com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:05:19 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Aluminum vs. Steel for Walls

In a message dated 09/03/2010 12:39:33 GMT Standard Time,

kfarming@yahoo. com writes:

don't know where to go, I would love to talk to a neurologist but it would

have to be one that understands all this. The ones I've dealt with in the

past with my migraines are stupid, ignorant, and all they want to do is to

dope me up with more damaging medication. This was before MCS, EHS , and

TICK borne disease, and Allergy testing.

pUK = Sorry I did not mean to offend in anyway, the whole thing can be one

big visious circle ! You just have to pick your way out of this one thread

at a time thats all you can do, What are the positives that you cling onto

? how do you cope with all of this ?

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