A natural solution to my EMF sensitivity.

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> On October  8, Marjij <marjij@...> wrote:
> > Cheryl, Marc... somebody !  Please explain what you did.  You said to
> > hold down the control key and push the + button to make the print larger.
>
> I think that only works for your web browser...
>
> I increased the font size on my monitor by buying a larger monitor.  :-)
>
> Marc
>

>
> I recall some 15yrs ago that my work computer was changed over from  dos to
> windows and at the same time the refresh rate on my work pc that was  
> previously running at 80-100hz was lowered to 60hz, I had no knowledge of this  
> until I next used the computer and noticed the flicker, the IT manager did
> not  see it as much as me an said I would get used to it, over the next month
> or so I  became light sensitive and started to develop ES, I am sure that's
> what  started it all.  I eventually found that it was easy to change the
> refresh  rate so all my suffering was unecessary.  A year later my employer
> invited  professer Leslie Hawkins into the work place to assess my claim of
> being ES, he  found that I was suffering from a work related upper limb
> disorder due to poor  ergonomic design of my work station but did not have the
> familiar symptoms of  ES.. I was suffering from both ES and WRULD, having spent
> 7yrs prior glued to 2  large cathode ray tube monitors for 5-7 hours a
> day.... the ES has never left me  nor the wruld.
>  
> puk
>  
>  
> In a message dated 06/10/2012 02:56:39 GMT Daylight Time,  
> starsurfer@... writes:
>
>  
>  
>  
> Hi Cheryl,
> I wanted to suggest that you check to see what your refresh  rate is set at
> on your computer. My husband changed mine from 60 Hz to 75 Hz  without
> telling me and I became deathly ill for 3 days until I put the pieces  together.
> I knew he'd been on my computer so I asked him to describe  EVERYTHING he
> had done (he was installing a game for my son) and he finally  mentioned that
> he'd changed the refresh rate. I can't tell you how sick it  made me.
> Changed it back and the symptoms stopped. So check yours--maybe it's  
> contributing to the problem. 60 Hz doesn't seem to bother  me.
> Peace,
> Mary
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Cheryl  
> Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >  
> > So very glad your extra effort will benefit you as well! Sounds like  a
> great plan. Maybe you could turn this into a little business for yourself  
> while being able to help so many others!
> >
> > For me I get sick on  the computer and have to limit my use. I get dizzy
> and a feeling close to  vertigo. I want so badly to be able to return to
> work and I can't until I get  over this problem. So if this oolitic limestone
> can help me personally, as I  believe it can from what you said, I will
> eternally grateful!Â
> >  
> > Thanks again for your quick responses,
> >
> >  Cheryl
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Rick Billings  <newrwb5432@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> >
> > Â  
> > Hi  Cheryl.
> > Â
> > I don't seem to need any more of this rock  than the two pounds I have
> been carrying around for the last few  months.  I did try sleeping with an
> extra ten-pound piece beside me, but  that  caused me to have  twoÂ
> extremely unpleasant  nights.  Two pounds seems to be my limit.  And the
> beneficial  effects of the rock do not appear to be "wearing out."Â  But carrying
> two  pounds of rock around all day really is a pain in the butt.  If enough  
> people try this for themselves and provide useful feedback, we may  gainÂ
> the data we need in order to figure out how this beneficial  effect is
> achieved.  Once we have a theoretical account of the mechanism  at work here, we
> may be able to manufacture a lightweight device that would  provide the same
> benefits in a much less inconvenient form.  So it is in  my interest as
> much as anybody's that I should send this rock to other  people.
> > Â
> > Richard
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Cheryl Griffing  <cheryl_griffing@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Hi Aimee,
> >
> >  Thanks for the link.
> >
> > Rick, thanks for your reply. Just  wondering - will you need to cut off
> more pieces for yourself too or are you  just doing this for us? Very kind of
> you indeed to make this effort to help  us. Meanwhile I will take your
> advice to research the rock yards and stone  masons. I will let you know how
> that goes.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >  
> > ________________________________
> > From: Aimee  <ohkanaduh@>
> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
> > Sent:  Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Â  
> > Ok Rick  thanks. Actually I wasn't going to order it but thought the
> person that wanted  it could also use the link (forgot her name)
> >
> > --- On Tue,  10/2/12, Rick Billings <newrwb5432@> wrote:
> >
> > From:  Rick Billings <newrwb5432@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 9:43 PM
> >
> > Aimee, the sample you  found certainly looks much like the oolitic
> limestone that I have been using,  though it is not as white and "pure" as the
> stuff I found.  The  off-white color comes from non-calcitic elements included
> in that  specimen.  It may well work just as well as the stuff I have.  
> It  is a rather small sample.  The caption says that these samples are one  
> to two inches in length.  My pieces are about four inches in length,  which
> means that they a much greater mass.  One surely does need some  minimum
> mass of this rock to have any appreciable effect, but I cannot tell  you what
> that minimum mass might be.  It may well be that a bag filled  with many
> smaller pieces will have the same effect as a single, much larger  piece.  
> Or perhaps the benefits I have been experiencing can only be  generated by a
> unified mass of some minimum size.  I just don't  know.  If you cannot
> find anything larger, then I would suggest trying  some of these little
> > pieces--though you may need quite a few of  them.  I cannot send any
> more of this rock to anybody just now, though I  hope to be able to do so
> fairly soon.  
> > Richard
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Aimee  <ohkanaduh@>
> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
> > Sent:  Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Rick, do you think these  samples would help if anyone ordered it?  
> > Â
> >  _http://www.minimegeology.com/home/mgeo/page_209_
> (http://www.minimegeology.com/home/mgeo/page_209)
> >  Ã‚
> > I found this on google.
> > Â
> > Aimee
> >  
> > --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Rick Billings <newrwb5432@>  wrote:
> >
> > From: Rick Billings <newrwb5432@>
> >  Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 8:30 PM
> >
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >  Ã‚
> > Yes, I am cutting small pieces off a very big block.   Not only is
> carrying that block around a lot of work, but I would have to  drive many miles
> out into the Everglades to find a spot where this hammering  would not bother
> anybody.  I live in a densely populated urban  area.  I'm afraid I just
> don't have the time for that.  And there  is virtually no chance of finding
> pieces ready-cut to the right size.  I  have been using one-pound chunks
> of this rock, about the size of a clenched  fist.  In places like Home Depot
> and Lowes one is only going  to  find bags of very small pieces, and I
> have no idea whether pieces of that size  will have the same effect as the
> pieces I have been using.  The  alternative is to go to a rock yard or a stone
> mason, and these places are  only likely to carry very large blocks--like
> the one I bought.  But  don't worry.  I will figure this out soon.  It's
> just that I am  overloaded with personal problems at the moment, so I need
> >  a little time.  I'll get you some of this rock as soon as I  can.
> >  Ã‚          Regarding  your sense of well-being when you were in
> Leesburg, I do not know whether that  had anything to do with the local
> rock.  I understand that eastern  Florida consists of oolitic limestone, while
> western Florida is made of  bryozoan limestone.  I have no idea whether
> bryozoan limestone  would have the same effect as oolitic limestone.  
> Leesburg is right on  the centerline of Florida, and I have no idea whether the
> rock in that area is  oolitic or bryozoan.  Florida is rather healthy place
> to live, and  people generally feel good down here.  I guess that helps to
> explain the  huge number of tourists, retirees and snowbirds that we get
> here.  To  what extent (if any) the underlying rock contributes to the beneficia
> l effects  of Florida, I do not know.Â
> > All the best, RichardÂ
> >  
> > ________________________________
> > From: Cheryl Griffing  <cheryl_griffing@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> >  Thanks for your reply. Are you cutting small pieces off of a very large
> piece  that can't easily be moved to another location to cut? Yes, that
> could be a  problem. At first I thought perhaps you could just do this some
> place else but  then I realized the piece you are cutting from may be too large
> to easily  move.
> >
> > I even tried ebay for this. None there so far.
> >  
> > I will be looking forward to hearing about this from you later and  how
> it is helping others who have tried it.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >  
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rick Billings  <newrwb5432@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 8:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Â  
> > Hi  Cheryl,
> > Â
> > I would gladly send you some oolitic  limestone, but I have run into a
> problem.  I was cutting up  some of the rock to send to a couple of group
> members when my landlady and  some of my neighbors started complaining about
> the noise I was making.   Cutting up rock with a stone chisel and hammer is
> a very noisy  business.  I must first figure out a socially acceptable way
> of cutting  this rock up before I can send any more of it to anyone.  I
> will let you  know when I have solved this problem.  Richard
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Cheryl Griffing  <cheryl_griffing@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A  natural solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >  
> > Would you be able to send me some of that oolitic limestone? I really  
> tried to find it here in L.A. The store that was going to order it for me has  
> moved away. Let me know what to do next so that you can send it to me. Well
>  appreciated, believe me! I really believe it will help me.
> >
> >  Thanks ever so much,
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Rick Billings  <newrwb5432@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A  natural solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Â  
> >  Hi  Cheryl,
> > Â
> > You are correct.  It seems  that oolitic limestone does not naturally
> occur in may parts of the  country.  Look in the yellow pages under "sand and
>  gravel."  Some of those places also carry a selection of  rocks.  Ask
> if they carry oolitic limestone. And don't let them  fob you of by saying,
> "Oh yes! We carry limestone."Â  We have no reason  to suppose that any otherÂ
> form of limestone will help this  problem.  If they haven't heard of
> oolitic limestone, try  somewhere else.  If somebody tells you that they have
> oolitic  limestone,  check it carefully under a magnifying glass--a cheap  
> magnifying glass from Walgreens will do the job.  Look at a clean piece  
> of the rock surface under the magnifying glass and the entire  surface
> should consist of thousands of tiny rounded oolites.  If you  can't find
> oolitic limestone in LA, let me know.  I have already sent  some of this rock
> to one group member, and  agreed to send  some to another member.  I
> > would prefer it if people  could find this rock for themselves, because
> it is rather time consuming for  me to do this.  But if you are completely
> stymied, let me know.
> >  Ã‚
> > All the best,
> > Â
> > Richard
> >  Ã‚
> > Â
> > Â
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Cheryl Griffing  <cheryl_griffing@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] A  natural solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >  
> > Thanks for all this info. I will give this a try. Sure hope it helps.  I
> am desperate! Sounds like it may be a little difficult to find around here  
> in LA.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >  ________________________________
> > From: Rick Billings  <newrwb5432@>
> > To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
> <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
> >  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] A natural  solution to my EMF sensitivity.
> >
> > Â  
> >  Hello,
> > Â
> > My name is Richard, and I just joined this  group.   I was invited by
> the moderator to introduce myself and to  tell the group about my own
> problems with EMF and about my attempts to deal  with this issue.  Well, I did
> recently come across something that helped  me in a big way, and I guess others
> migtht benefit from it too.  So here  is my story.
> >  Ã‚        I developed EMF  sensitivity about fourteen years ago.  
> I moved into a top-floor  apartment in Miami Beach, and my downstairs
> neighbor was a ham radio  operator.  He had his radio antenna on the building
> roof,  about eight feet away from my head as I sat at my desk.  I was a  
> college student then, and I sat at that desk all evening long.   And my
> neighbor talked on his radio all evening long, about five or  six evenings a  
> week.       Â
> >  Ã‚        For nearly three  months, I hardly slept.  My head
> would not shut down and let  me  sleep at night.  I thought I was going
> insane.  I knew nothing  then about the effects of radio frequency on the human
> brain.  After  about three months, I did learn what was causing the problem,
> and the landlord  made my neighbor move his antenna.  But the damage was
> already done. I  had become highly sensitized, not only to radio frequency,
> but to EMF as  well.
> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Over the  years I have tried many, many different devices
> and techniques for dealing  with this problem.  Most of the man-made
> devices were too strong for  me.  I do still use one of those devices, which I
> can tolerate, but it  only provides me with limited protection. (I do not
> know whether I am allowed  to mention the name.)  Of the natural products I
> have tried, black  tourmaline does help me quite a bit, but I can only use it
> for a few hours at  a time.  At my last home (in Hollywood, south
> Florida), I did find a way  to get a really good night's sleep.  I was living in an
> oceanfront  building with a one-hundred-foot strip of natural, state-owned
> dune land  between the property and the beach.  I built myself a sleep
> shelter out  of natural, non-toxic materials (tents are appallingly toxic), and
> I slept out  in the dune, close to the beach.  I was well away from any
> source of  electricity and electro-magnetic fields, and I surrounded my
> >  sleeping cot with a screen of radio frequency screening cloth. And  I
> slept like I hadn't done since I was a child.  Â
> >  Ã‚        I realize that most  people are not in a position to
> do as I was doing there, and  I myself have lost that ideal sleeping
> environment.  Recently, due to  circumstances beyond my control, I lost my home in
> Hollywood and was obliged  to move into an apartment in Miami where the
> electrical and electro-magnetic  readings are truly frightening.  The magnetic
> field is a steady ten  milligauss, while the electrical field fluctuates
> between one thousand and  fifteen hundred millivolts.  And I cannot do
> anything to change those  numbers.  Anybody who knows what those numbers mean
> will think me crazy  for being in such a place.  Believe me, I had no choice.
> >  Ã‚        The black tourmaline  and my man-made protection deviceÂ
> were hopelessly inadequate in such a  strong field.  I couldn't sleep at
> all, I started experiencing non-stop  tinnitus, and my head was in a terrible
> mess.  I was in serious  trouble.  
> >  Ã‚        In desperation, I  tried an idea that had come to me
> recently--though I hesitate to explain just  how this idea came to me.  I went
> to a public park near my place of work  in Miami--Alice Wainright Park--and
> I picked up a couple of one-pound chunks  of oolitic limestone.  It turns
> out that most of eastern Florida  consists of oolitic limestone, and there
> are places where one can find it on  the surface.  I have been keeping those
> rocks in my pockets all day long  ever since, and I sleep with them beside
> me at night. (I keep them in  sandwich bags because this rock is soft and
> crumbly, and it tends to make a  mess.)Â  And the effects of this rock have
> been quite remarkable.   I can sleep soundly, with none of the awful dreams
> that I usually experience  when sleeping in an EMF-filled environment, and I
> wake up with my head in good  shape.
> >         During  the daytime, I receive the same protection.  
> Again, because of force of  circumstances, I was recently obliged to start
> doing a telephone sales job in  Miami, and by five o'clock each day my head was
> in an appallingly strained and  exhausted state.  But I needed that job to
> survive, in spite of the  damage it was doing me.  The day I started
> carrying the oolitic  limestone in my pockets, the problems disappeared.  I came
> out of work  at five o'clock with my head as fresh as it had been at nine in
> the  morning.  
> >  Ã‚        I realize that I must  still move out of this apartment
> as soon as possible because the extreme  electrical and electro-magnetic
> fields in here may well be killing off brain  cells and damaging my DNA as
> well.  But at least the oolitic limestone  is protecting my conscious brain
> state so that I am fully functional and I can  sleep well.  
> >     I did have two  setbacks in using this oolitic limestone.  The
> first one came with the  start of the Olympic Games in London.  I do not own
> a television and I  do not normally watch television.  My new landlady
> lent me a tiny  flatscreeen television so I could watch the games.  This
> television is  so small that one has to sit within a couple of feet of it to see  
> anything.  I wouldn't normally dream of getting so close to such a  
> device, but I thought the oolitic limestone would protect me.  It did  not, and I
> had an awful, sleepless night as a result.  So no more  television for
> me.  Whether I would have had the same result from  watching a normal sized
> television at a normal viewing distance, I do not  know.  And I do not intend
> to experiment.  
> >  Ã‚        Secondly, I did buy a  large, one-hundred-pound block of
> oolitic limestone from a local stone  mason.  It occurred to me that I
> might get even better effects from  having a lot of this rock all around my
> apartment.  I thought that  enough of the rock might protect me from things
> like that television.   But having that much of the rock in my bedroom caused
> me to have a very  strange and unpleasant night--though the effects were
> quite different from  those caused by EMF.  The next night I put that big
> block outside, but I  did break off a ten-pound piece that I put by my bed (in
> addition to the two  one-pound pieces that I was already using).  Even this
> much proved to be  too much, and I had another very unpleasant night.  
> >  Ã‚        The rock must be  creating some field effect of its own
> that does not agree with me, except in  very small quatities.  So long as I
> use no more than the two one-pound  pieces that I started with, the rock
> does not cause me any problems.  
> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â So, if  anybody else is interested in trying oolitic
> limestone, be warned: Start out  using very small quantities; and there may be
> things, such as television, that  will cancel out any benefits.  
> >  Ã‚        How does it  work?  I do not know!  Maybe the
> crystalline structure somehow  modulates the local man-made energy field.  I am not
> a scientist.  
> >         There are  different varieties of oolitic limestone.  I
> am using the pure, white  variety, which consists of nothing but oolites.  
> There are varieties  that include quantities of sand or clay.  These tend
> to be red,  yellow or orange in color.  I do not have any experience with
> those  varieties.  To verify that you do in fact have oolitic limestone,
> break  off a corner and look at a bit of clean unweathered rock surface through
> a  magnifying glass.  The tiny, ovoid-shaped oolites will stand out  
> clearly.Â
> >  Ã‚        You will not find this  rock in a rock shop.  But you
> may find it at a yard  carrying rock and gravel for garden, ornamental and
> construction  purposes.  And if it is not available in other parts of the
> country, try  contacting a rock yard in south Florida.  I guess they will
> ship to you,  for a price.  You do not need very much, and the rock itself
> is  very cheap. Â
> >  Ã‚        I should be interested  to hear if others benefit from
> using this stuff as I have done.  I  would also like to hear if others
> find better ways of using it than I  have.  Ã‚ But remember, this rock has not
> cured me.  It has  not lessened my sensitivity to EMF in any way.  And I
> do not know if it  is proctecting me from radio frequency, because I do not
> know of any  significant sources of RF in this neighborhood (I myself do not
> use a  cellphone).  But I do know that it is protecting me from the effects
> of  EMF as nothing else ever has.  For me, that is huge.
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> I was just wondering what symptoms you experience on the computer. We often say here that we "get sick" but I am wondering if we are all referring to the same feeling. For me it is a dizziness type of feeling, almost like vertigo.I remain ill for several hours afterwards. You too?
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> I spoke with a young man at the gym that said he also experiences this. So it is good to keep talking with people out there He said he had trouble sleeping at night and we decided he should try to not use his computer before bed time. He did that and he said he sleep much better and feels so much better. He was very receptive to all I had to say. Even more so because at only 33 he is losing his memory and often can't remember what he did the day before. Point is that there are people out there that
>  are hungry to hear what we know here. Sure, many will be critical and not believe us. But many experience these symptoms and they know what they feel and they are looking for help and don't even know where to start.
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> I hope you can come up with some answers so that you won't get sick so fast on the computer. I find sitting back further has helped but I still do get sick in time, as you mentioned.
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> --- On Sat, 10/13/12, paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> wrote:
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> From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: increased print size
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> Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 2:39 PM
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>       i USE ZOOM TEXT BY AI SQUARED THIS IS A SUPERIOR MAGNIFICATION/SPEECH  
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> SOFTWARE I SIT APPROX 2M AWAY FROM MY LAPTOP BUT STILL GET ILL WITHIN 1/2HR -
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> In a message dated 09/10/2012 06:28:30 GMT Daylight Time, kareneck@...
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> Windows 7 has a lame magnifier that helps me a lot with programs other than
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> I'm about 6 feet away from my monitor, but I  still get burned.
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> Marc, how much evening primrose oil is a helpful  dose?
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> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Marc Martin
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> > On October 8, Marjij  <marjij@> wrote:
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> > > Cheryl, Marc... somebody ! Please  explain what you did. You said to
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> > I increased the font size on my  monitor by buying a larger monitor. :-)
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