what's special about 2.4Ghz?

This is a question for all of you - any ideas why 2.4Ghz is especially bothersome? Well, to me anyway. I've done my due diligence with the gaussmeter checking for household EMF fields and have unplugged and moved a few things. But I never consciously noticed those things bothering me or my cell phone - but don't worry I am super-careful with it. That cannot be said for the wi-fi - that I do notice, from the beginning. And it seems the 2.4 phone I had as well was far more negative than I imagined now that I've switched to cordless I see the difference. I've read that 2.45Ghz is the frequency microwaves use to agitate water molecules - is this true and could itbe related?  

So any ideas? Do some of you react most to a certain frequency band but not others?  

Alexa

Hi, Alexa!
 
I was just about to reply to 2 other emails you wrote, so I will answer these posts together....  Welcome to the group, btw!
 
About being sensitive to the 2.4 GHz frequency....  I am not sure that there is anything about the 2.4 frequency which is specially bothersome.  You possibly are not reacting to the 2.4 frequency, as much as you are reacting to wireless frequencies in general interacting with you and your phone.  I have a 2.4 GHz phone and I don’t always react to it.  I do sometimes react to it.  If we were intolerant of thatfrequency, I think we would always react to that frequency.  I do notice that wireless towers in the area make that phone very uncomfortable to use at times when the signals from them are particularly strong.  Withas much wireless as you have in your environment, (due to your techno-crazy neighbor) I wouldn’t be surprised if you reacted also to a wired in phone!  That is just my 2 cents, for what it is worth.  ;)  Also I react to my phone when I am detoxing metals.
 
However, do not make the mistake of buying a new DECT phone instead.  Those can be very bad, because they emit frequencies all the time.  (Your 2.4 GHz would be bad if it were set up to do this, but to my knowledge none of these were made to do that.)

You wrote:
I've ordered the baseball hat that has the naturashield fabric in it to seehow much difference it makes. Has anyone else tried this cap? And do theseEMF shielding fabrics really work?
 
My reply:Yes, the emf shielding fabrics can work if used properly and in the correct places.  I haven't tried that cap, but it could be wornoutdoors without looking too weird, which is a plus (well, unless youare wearing an evening gown with it!  Lol).  You don't necessarily need to completely cover your body for some relief (but if you want complete emf relief you do need more shielding.  I have heard that the hatcould provide more coverage--too little going on in the back, I believe someone said.) 
 
I have gotten desperate enough to try the old “tin-foil” sail-boat hat you made fun of when in dire straights while working on my computer in private!  Lol   It worked at the time (but then I have “big hair”  j/k--my hair did create an air pocket, so the foil did not come close to my head, as Paul, UK, was concernedabout.)   Another time I made a helmet type hat out of the heavyaluminum foil in order to work on my computer in private--it worked even better than the sailboat hat, due to better coverage.  I also made a shield out of heavy-duty aluminum foil to wear in front of me while I fixed my computer.  The shield idea would likely not work for you, however, since your offending frequencies are from various directions.  You cannot use foil to block emfs from opposing directions--the frequencie will bounce back at you.

You wrote:  “Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?”
 
My reply:
I have not tried much for personal blocking except the use of aluminum foilon my car visor.  I also tried the Quantum Companion, but it did not work for my personal situation, which was driving past random cell and microwave towers.  (I couldn’t just set it to one setting and leave it—the frequencies changed too abruptly.)  The Q Companion would certainly work for people who were in more constant emfs, but it mightnot be strong enough for some very emf-intense environments.  
 
I also own a Quantum Pro device (pricey, tho, at $500) which works well formy one (really bad emfs) home, but this is not a personal device.  Most emf protection I have tried is not personal wear.  Window filmand aluminum screens for windows work to block cell tower frequencies for me in my other house.  (I am currently between houses.)   I have also used trees—magnolias and evergreens mainly—to block emfs.  Large indoor plants can also work, but these are not likely to work for you unless you can replicate the hanging garden of Babylon.  j/k  Putting shielding fabric on your entire ceiling might work.
 
Hope you find some relief,
Diane









     

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High frequencies are not that dangerous, and the mentioned water effects are
not also in place.

What is bothersome is the information which the high frequency carrier waves
are carrying.
This digital information is hacked in small low frequency pieces, the
so-called puls rate.

These modulations are very effective on our body.

On my website I have placed a number of those recorded modulations.
When electrosensitives listen to them, they may experience the same effcets
as they would have with the real sources.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
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to all...

Hi Charles, I took a quick look at your website - which is great btw - but could not find the recording you spoke of. Which page is it on? I found it interesting that so many German doctors were speaking out as well - I hope their movement gains momentum and encourages doctors in other countries to say what they are seeing. I'm very discouraged that the US seems to have completely given in to wireless - even if docs were to speak out here itwas past too late. I see what you are saying that it is the modulated wave and it's odd sharp shapes that is the issue - I've read in Levitt's book that they do safety testing always using only the carrier wave and that leaves out what people really experience with the modulated frequency.

Hi Diane, thanks for your reply to so many posts at once! About the 2.4Ghz phone, my reaction to it has been very consistent for years. I had long believed the reaction had to do with something else entirely, I also feel a similar but milder effect when the wi-fi is turned on - it's kind of abrain fog, heavy head feeling that can linger many hours after the call. I love your description for my neighbor - "techno-crazy" that' him, who the hell needs 3 wi-fi routers!

So about your home version of the real tinfoil hat :-) - so aluminum shields EMF for real? I never knew! Could I use heavy aluminum foil instead of shielding fabric for some things? I'm particularly thinking about under my mattress because now my downstairs neighbor - just since I started posting here has set up his very own wi-fi router too.....so much for my plan to only protect from above. Thanks for the rec about the Quantum Pro, it's definitely in my mind as an option, and I have huge evergreen trees on one side so thanks for letting me know they help!

Alexa

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> This is a question for all of you - any ideas why 2.4Ghz is especially bothersome? Well, to me anyway. I've done my due diligence with the gaussmeter checking for household EMF fields and have unplugged and moved a few things. But I never consciously noticed those things bothering me or my cell phone - but don't worry I am super-careful with it. That cannot be saidfor the wi-fi - that I do notice, from the beginning. And it seems the 2.4 phone I had as well was far more negative than I imagined now that I've switched to cordless I see the difference. I've read that 2.45Ghz is the frequency microwaves use to agitate water molecules - is this true and could it be related?  
>
> So any ideas? Do some of you react most to a certain frequency band butnot others?  
>
> Alexa
>

The recorded ,odulations stand on:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Fascinating! There were many annoying sounds there but the refrigerator noise nearly made me jump out of my skin. And the WLAN noise led me to have weird back of the head sensations. Oh and the 3G iPhone sounds horrible...don't think I'll be getting one of *those*

Thanks,
Alexa

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Hi again, Alexa,
 
Yes, I use heavy aluminum foil fairly often for emf protection, but you have to know what you are doing....  (And I don't wear it outside in public!  lol)  For instance, it won't work for the application you want to use it for on the floor.  The reason it won't work is emfs from your techno-crazy neighbor above you will also be attracted to the foil, making those emfs even worse.  When I use it on my car visor, I put the visor between me and the oncoming tower, so that the emfs are attracted more to the foil than my head and body.  But once I am past that tower, Ilift the visor--because when the tower is behind me, my head is between the tower and the foil, (which is attracting the emfs).  In some tower-rich areas I cannot use the visor at all; there are too many towers in all different directions at the same time. 
 
In the right places, I personally think foil works as well as, or better than shielding fabric.  But remember that the fabric absorbs emfs while the foil attracts them and to some extent bounces the emfs back off.  The foil and fabric do different things.  The fabric is moreappropriate for what you are trying to achieve.  Fabric might work aswell or better on my car visor, I just haven't gotten around to sewing up a custom visor cover yet.  ;)
 
Hope this explains it,
Diane
 

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to all...

Hi Charles, I took a quick look at your website - which is great btw - but could not find the recording you spoke of. Which page is it on? I found it interesting that so many German doctors were speaking out as well - I hope their movement gains momentum and encourages doctors in other countries to say what they are seeing. I'm very discouraged that the US seems to have completely given in to wireless - even if docs were to speak out here it was past too late. I see what you are saying that it is the modulated wave and it's odd sharp shapes that is the issue - I've read in Levitt's book that they do safety testing always using only the carrier wave and that leaves out what people really experience with the modulated frequency.

Hi Diane, thanks for your reply to so many posts at once! About the 2.4Ghz phone, my reaction to it has been very consistent for years. I had long believed the reaction had to do with something else entirely, I also feel a similar but milder effect when the wi-fi is turned on - it's kind of a brain fog, heavy head feeling that can linger many hours after the call. I love your description for my neighbor - "techno-crazy" that' him, who the hell needs 3 wi-fi routers!

So about your home version of the real tinfoil hat :-) - so aluminum shields EMF for real? I never knew! Could I use heavy aluminum foil instead of shielding fabric for some things? I'm particularly thinking about under my mattress because now my downstairs neighbor - just since I started posting here has set up his very own wi-fi router too.....so much for my plan to onlyprotect from above. Thanks for the rec about the Quantum Pro, it's definitely in my mind as an option, and I have huge evergreen trees on one side sothanks for letting me know they help!

Alexa

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> This is a question for all of you - any ideas why 2.4Ghz is especially bothersome? Well, to me anyway. I've done my due diligence with the gaussmeter checking for household EMF fields and have unplugged and moved a few things. But I never consciously noticed those things bothering me or my cell phone - but don't worry I am super-careful with it. That cannot be said for the wi-fi - that I do notice, from the beginning. And it seems the 2.4 phoneI had as well was far more negative than I imagined now that I've switchedto cordless I see the difference. I've read that 2.45Ghz is the frequency microwaves use to agitate water molecules - is this true and could it be related?
>
> So any ideas? Do some of you react most to a certain frequency band but not others?
>
> Alexa
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The Spherics one is very interesting... was this just a normal day?
It sounds a bit like rain falling... and they say the sound of running
water is one of the best to mask tinnitus (sometimes even makes
the tinnitus go away for a little while after).

The Wi-Fi modulation is awful, even when there is no
real information being transferred (just the beacon).

I do think it's possible that as one is exposed over time there
is nerve damage and this could actually reinforce resonant modes
in the brain. This could make one more sensitive. Because of
microwave ovens, there has been much more exposure to 2.4 GHz over the last
30 years than most other GHz frequencies. Some people
may have intrinsic resonances depending on skull geometry.

A lot of people think 2.4 GHz is a special resonance in water, but
it's not. Water absorbs even more at higher frequencies than that.



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Because of microwave ovens, there has been much more exposure to 2.4 GHz
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I must have missed it but what do microwaves have to do with 2.4 GHZ??
Isn't that what phones run on?
Amy


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Far as I know, that's the same frequency (or very close to it) that microwave ovens "cook" food with; using high powered microwave frequency.  That would be why I can pick up a ton of RF with my meter which measures between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz from a microwave oven, as well as a 2.4 GHz DECT phone.  It's a nice parallel to draw for people: "Hey, you know that using that phone is like sitting beside or holding a running microwave oven toyour head, 24/7, right?"

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

R.

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Because of microwave ovens, there has been much more exposure to 2.4 GHz

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I must have missed it but what do microwaves have to do with 2.4 GHZ??  

Isn't that what phones run on?

Amy



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The analogy is not correct.

If you want to defrost a frozen chicken in a microwave oven, there is some
time involved.

When you replace the 2450 MHz by the 900 MHz of a cellular phone, this
chicken is defrosted much faster !!

Because, the lower the carrier frequency, the deeper these frequencies can
penetrate into material.

That is also a reason, why the modulations of the mobile phones, which are
all lowfrequency are so dangerous.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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Far as I know, that's the same frequency (or very close to it) that
microwave ovens "cook" food with; using high powered microwave frequency.
That would be why I can pick up a ton of RF with my meter which measures
between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz from a microwave oven, as well as a 2.4 GHz DECT
phone. It's a nice parallel to draw for people: "Hey, you know that using
that phone is like sitting beside or holding a running microwave oven to
your head, 24/7, right?"

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

R.

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Because of microwave ovens, there has been much more exposure to 2.4 GHz

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I must have missed it but what do microwaves have to do with 2.4 GHZ??

Isn't that what phones run on?

Amy



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Thank you for the clarification!

R.

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The analogy is not correct.



If you want to defrost a frozen chicken in a microwave oven, there is some

time involved.



When you replace the 2450 MHz by the 900 MHz of a cellular phone, this

chicken is defrosted much faster !!



Because, the lower the carrier frequency, the deeper these frequencies can

penetrate into material.



That is also a reason, why the modulations of the mobile phones, which are

all lowfrequency are so dangerous.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

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Far as I know, that's the same frequency (or very close to it) that

microwave ovens "cook" food with; using high powered microwave frequency.

That would be why I can pick up a ton of RF with my meter which measures

between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz from a microwave oven, as well as a 2.4 GHz DECT

phone. It's a nice parallel to draw for people: "Hey, you know that using

that phone is like sitting beside or holding a running microwave oven to

your head, 24/7, right?"



Someone correct me if I'm wrong.



R.



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I must have missed it but what do microwaves have to do with 2.4 GHZ??



Isn't that what phones run on?



Amy



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That is also a reason, why the modulations of the mobile phones, which are




Puk replies - That is why I get so unwell when exposed to the spurious
Plasma TV signal that swamps my house no dougbt added to that the signal
probably contains alot of garbled digital data ?, this does not belong in a
domestic house.


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That's where there's piping moving fluid under your floor yes?
I housesat for someone that had that system as their main heating, and while it was nice not having cold feet during the winter, I always felt uncomfortable there, sort of like living in a staticky field, which you would be. My opinion is stay away from it, and those ground loops too, that go in theground around your house for heating cooling with the electric co. Nothinglike putting yourself right in the center of an electromagnet. -Maybe if they could ensure it was a biologically beneficial field in there...

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