what car to buy?

Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car to buy? Kind regards, Peder

> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low
> magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car
> to buy?

No specific recommendations, but obviously the older the car, the less
likely it will have any high-tech frequencies.  And if you are getting
a new car, probably best to avoid hybrid cars or cars with LCD screens
on the dash.  Also, the fewer sensors to sense whether you are sitting
in your seat (for the airbags), the better...

Marc

I bought a Toyota Tazz 2001 model, which apparently is the same as a Toyota Corolla (hatch back).  I tested it before I bought it with a trifield meter and it has pretty low readings.

I seem to do OK with it.

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> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car to buy? Kind regards, Peder
>

PS As Marc says, it's got no central locking, no electric windows, no radio, etc.

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There is a ham radio guy who describes how to reduce radiation
from a Ford PowerStroke TurboDiesel truck.  He grounded the
injector shield and put a strap between the bed and the cab, and
to the exhaust.  He does not address the alternator/voltage regulator,
but that can be solved by going to solar charging w/ deep cycle batteries.

Any non-diesel radiates... just try a portable AM radio inside.
With the MFJ-856 you can pick the ignition system from across
the street easily.

Newer diesels also radiate but you have hope of correcting it or
disabling (pull some fuses).  If you don't have to do really long
drives or are not too sensitive, a gas powered car may be tolerable.



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Copy/pasting here sth I posted previously on this...

As mentioned cars emit a lot of different emf + we all react differently on
different emf + what we measure with those meters is not really the harmful part
of emf…
So it's complicated?! ;-)

Unless you want to write a thesis on car emf, I wouldn't go too technical on
this… Imo it's best to test as much as possible from friends, family, car
dealers or rental services…

If you ask a car salesman, you are interested in buying that particular car, but
you want to make a test drive before you put your money down, mostly they'll
agree. When buying second hand cars from persons directly, asking them for a
test drive, this is quite easy as well. But I must say, this entire process of
pretending you probably are gonna buy the car, whilst actually you mainly want
to know how much it radiates you, all this can be tiring!

Below some very general technical info I came across regards car emf. Probably
most of the emf in a car comes from:
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-alternator
-fuse box
-battery
-(direct injection of the) engine
-loudspeakers
-tires
-pedals
-gps, cell phone, radar, cd-player, car radio, dashboard electronics,...
Â
And so you'll have to check where these are located. If the alternator/battery
is close
to your driver's seat for instance...
Â
About the battery, could be best to avoid cars with the battery in the back,
because otherwise you'll have a battery cable through your entire car. I believe
this is the case with almost all bmw's, some Volvo's and recent Audi's. But this
may not make that much of a difference if that cable is earthed (as in the
bmw's). I've read that with older Volvo V70's their battery cable is not earthed
(I wonder who made that 10 cents-cost-cutting decision, Volvo or previous owner
Ford?!). After many complaints Volvo made "grounding the battery cable" a very
expensive option. Yes, they do care about us! ;-)

I've checked a lot of cars already, also old cars that have almost no
electronics and some of them make me more sick
than a lot of modern cars... I have the
same-electricity-running-through-my-body after mowing the grass, but then it's
more my hands and not my legs... My lawn mower is very low-tech (no gps!), so I
must be ES to the engine...
Â
I think I'm also sensitive to the emf that come from the tires (they have a
metal layer). After I had my tires replaced I felt a little tingle in my legs,
until then I didn't even know tires can make a difference in EMF... I've read
that some people demagnetize their tires every 5,000 miles...
Â
You could try measuring the emf, which could help you locate some emf-emitters.
But don't trust it to select your car. The car I drive now and I'm kinda fine
with (Alfa Romeo 147) measures +/- 20Â around
the driver seat. Other cars I drove that only measured 2, I got sometimes much
much sicker in...

A lot seem to do better with diesel cars instead of fuel engine cars (me in
general not).
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Sites with good info on car emf:
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http://www.eiwellspring.org/CopingWithEHS.htm
(Low emf vehicles)
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http://www.emfsensitivity.com/DriveCar.html
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> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car to buy? Kind regards, Peder
>

Here are some measurements I've made:

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

Some folks here don't believe in using meters, however I have
found a fair correlation be between the measured magnetic
field (with a Trifield meter, AM radio) and tolerability.
99% of the time you won't measure very much (car wise) with an
RF meter. Same goes with measuring computers - RF meters just
don't pick up the fields.
 
Eli

--- In [hidden email], "psverdrup" <psverdrup@...> wrote:
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> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car to buy? Kind regards, Peder
>

There are a few recommendations here, along with measurements of
various models.

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

Some folks here don't believe in using meters, however I have
found a fair correlation be between the measured magnetic
field (with a Trifield meter, AM radio) and tolerability.

Would you rather drive a BMW with 15 milli gauss going through
your head, or a 2005 Caddy SRX at 0.3? It's a no brainer.

Some criticize the Trifield because it overestimates measurements.
That's because it weighs the higher frequencies, as it should
since higher frequencies carry more energy.

A gigahertz solutions meter ME3851 confirms that most of the
magnetic field in cars is below 100k Hz. Charles uses the term
"dirty air" - mostly mid-low frequency crap in the air.
 
99% of the time you won't measure very much RF in a car. Same
goes with measuring computers - RF meters just don't pick up
the weak fields.

Overall, test drive the car for several hours on the highway
(away from the high magnetic field on most roads) before buying.

Eli


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> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car to buy? Kind regards, Peder
>

Hi, Peder,
 
Also try to go back (in years) to a car without alot of digital controls.  This would also mean the car electronics would probably feel better.  I am in the same boat; looking for a newer car.  I'm now driving an 11 yo Mercury Sable.  (I formerly had a 16 yo Mercury Sable.)  The 11 yo has some digital controls for the sound system (which I do not use), but otherwise doesn't bother me.   However, the controls on all the cars/trucks (I've tried) made after 2005 to 2007 seem to cause some problems.  Also, avoid Sirius radio and GPS systems (but you probably already know this).
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 11/25/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] what car to buy?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 1:31 PM


 



> Hi, I need a new car. I am electrosensitive. So I need a car with low
> magnetic fields, electric fields, radiation. Does anybody know what car
> to buy?

No specific recommendations, but obviously the older the car, the less
likely it will have any high-tech frequencies. And if you are getting
a new car, probably best to avoid hybrid cars or cars with LCD screens
on the dash. Also, the fewer sensors to sense whether you are sitting
in your seat (for the airbags), the better...

Marc








     

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With me it's the other way around, I love to drive older cars (much more fun!), but ES-wise I'm worse in older cars!

In a similar way, I also get radiated by my extremely low-tech lawn mower (runs on petrol)...

The only possible explanation in my case is that it's because I'm much more sensitive to the engine emf and not so much to the electronics...

Stephen.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

It's probably the ignition that bothering you.
That's where the AM radio is helpful. You can
hear a popping noise when each spark fires.

I use a tape measure to determine the distance
at which the popping becomes audible. That's an
essential test before buying a vehicle.

Make sure the car has resistive wires.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

Yes could be, thanks for the info,

But wouldn't I be always better with a diesel car then? I've driven modern diesel cars (and petrol cars), which were always worse than my petrol-engined Alfa Romeo 147 (2004).

Maybe I should testdrive an old diesel car? Without turbo and without direct-injection? I have once driven an old bmw diesel with turbo but without direct injection (and battery up front), was also very bad ES-wise for me...

The Mercedes 200D/300D from the 80's is recommended for ES-ers... Would be a sluggish drive though ;-)

Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "jaime_schunkewitz" <jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:

Could it be a matter of vibrational frequencies, Stephen?  I react badly to trains sometimes.
(When I am not on them, but am within several blocks of.)
 
Just a thought,
Diane

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From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: what car to buy?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 12:29 AM


 



With me it's the other way around, I love to drive older cars (much more fun!), but ES-wise I'm worse in older cars!

In a similar way, I also get radiated by my extremely low-tech lawn mower (runs on petrol)...

The only possible explanation in my case is that it's because I'm much more sensitive to the engine emf and not so much to the electronics...

Stephen.

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Vibrational frequencies? Well I thought sth like that when I was 12 years old and mowing the grass and feeling a bit strange and tingling afterwards!

Now I thought it was pure emf/radiation, but you might be right... That could explain why I'm mostly better in newer cars (the engine gives less vibrational frequencies?)...

Stephen.


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