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Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house
and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Bill,
The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides almost as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies throughout the world today. The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works of Victor Schauberger. I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever that cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the difference. The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two scientists wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could not. Look up his name and you will find lots of info. Cheers, Helen On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house > and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the > city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Helen A Murphy Environomics.com.au 0448 877 384 03 9372 3217 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Bill,
For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals Ithink and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. Toadd some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising... Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain
from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising... Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Well, this is good to know that reverse osmosis isn't as good as most people think...
Charles, Do you still advise detox foot baths that work on reverse osmosis? For filtering water, I like the system in this "double egg" OVOPUR, because, well it seems like a "natural way" to filter thewater... http://yourwatermatters.com/products/water-dispensers/aquaovo/ But actually I would like to have a filter on my tap water, so then all water is filtered (for shower, for cooking,...). Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ionic foot baths do work with normal water, or distilled or whatever.
I still do have the opinion, that ionic foot spas are the quickest way in detox. Every other day in two weeks can manage quite a lot, and do lower the sensitivity enormously. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Well, this is good to know that reverse osmosis isn't as good as most people think... Charles, Do you still advise detox foot baths that work on reverse osmosis? For filtering water, I like the system in this "double egg" OVOPUR, because, well it seems like a "natural way" to filter the water... http://yourwatermatters.com/products/water-dispensers/aquaovo/ But actually I would like to have a filter on my tap water, so then all water is filtered (for shower, for cooking,...). Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Barrie Trower is on a South Africa Radio show in a while / Wireless and Cancer Jenny show! http://www.702.co.za/shows/jenny.asp Her show is between 1pm and 4pm SA Time. Best Giles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni
--- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Loni, I'm not sure on this but I've read that there are no filters that can filter out the bad (toxic) stuff and leave the good stuff (minerals) inside the water... If it filters a lot of the toxic stuff it filters a lot of the minerals as well...
Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:32 PM H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I don't know how it is done but that is the claim. Worth checking out if you can. I do respect Dr Bob Marttin's recommendations. He's really right on most of the time. But they are a sponsor of his show also. So I guess you have to validate for yourself.
Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 9:41 AM Loni, I'm not sure on this but I've read that there are no filters that can filter out the bad (toxic) stuff and leave the good stuff (minerals) inside the water... If it filters a lot of the toxic stuff it filters a lot of the minerals as well... Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:32 PM H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi All,
Check out Pristine Hydro’s 9 stage water filtration process…… http://www.pristinehydro.com/undercounter http://www.pristinehydro.com/vitalitypH_READ.html I’ve got an under counter model. It maybe expensive, but it does absolutely everything, and water is one of the most important sources for good health. Regards David From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni Sent: 19 April 2010 19:38 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? I don't know how it is done but that is the claim. Worth checking out if you can. I do respect Dr Bob Marttin's recommendations. He's really right on most of the time. But they are a sponsor of his show also. So I guess you have to validate for yourself. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email] <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Stephen Vandevijvere <[hidden email] <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 9:41 AM Loni, I'm not sure on this but I've read that there are no filters that canfilter out the bad (toxic) stuff and leave the good stuff (minerals) inside the water... If it filters a lot of the toxic stuff it filters a lot of the minerals as well... Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:32 PM H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziek t es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email] <mailto:e%40yahoo.com> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles mentioned that reverse osmosis water has a ppm of 20-40. That's lowbut not very low. The most popular brand of mineral water in Belgium (Spa Reine) has a similar amount of minerals...
According to Charles it's the "aggressiveness" of the reverse osmosis that makes it not very healthy... Water doesn't like to be too much messed with?! Distilled water is definitely not good to drink in the long run. It has a very low energy level and of course it has got no minerals at all in it, so it will probably deprive you from a lot of essential minerals... Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:32 PM H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Many years ago the Spa Reine had some 30 ppm, but nowadays it measures
between 50-60 ppm. ES sufferes could drink distilled water only for one month. It is also a way of detox, because it attracts a lot of heavy metals and other stuff. But one has to compensate that by taking extra Calcium and other minerals, because it takes out also the good stuff. Minerals in water are not so important, because the body does not take much of it from the water. Much more reliable are vegetables, like spinach (because it contains a lot of iron, etc.) Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Charles mentioned that reverse osmosis water has a ppm of 20-40. That's low but not very low. The most popular brand of mineral water in Belgium (Spa Reine) has a similar amount of minerals... According to Charles it's the "aggressiveness" of the reverse osmosis that makes it not very healthy... Water doesn't like to be too much messed with?! Distilled water is definitely not good to drink in the long run. It has a very low energy level and of course it has got no minerals at all in it, so it will probably deprive you from a lot of essential minerals... Stephen. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:32 PM H20 Concepts is touted by Dr Bob Martin & leaves minerals in; takes the toxins out. RO is not really a good filter because it takes everything out. Loni --- On Mon, 4/19/10, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:18 AM I have used ans sold many reverse osmosis water filters, but now refrain from them. Normally, the quality is 20-40 ppm, so a lava stone does not give so much to it. It is better totake Calcium pills, or Schindeles Mineralien. However, we found that this R.O. water is very agressive, and takes out all the Calcium from your body. The heating element in our watercooker dissolved completely, so the chromium came into this R.O. water, and we drank it!! Normally, one has to exchange the filters every two years. I found, that with placing an electronic anti-lime equipment before this R.O. filter, all the lime was cristallysed on the other dirt in the water, and was ejected out at the first pre-filter. That way, the filters lasted minimal five years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? Hi Bill, For energizing and for filtering I've read many with good results by reverse osmosis... But the reverse osmosis water is very low on minerals I think and especially for drinking many researchers advise that for the structure of the water it is important to have some minerals... A friend of mine here in Belgium has a reverse osmosis system. To add some minerals he has installed a lava-stone. Once the water is passed through the reverse osmosis system, the water is sliding by the lava-stone and thanks to the lava-stone the water has some minerals in it (30 ppm which is probably enough minerals for drinking)... Me, I'm also looking for a good filter system. Haven't made up my mind yet... Although the reverse osmosis seems like the best, I'm still not sure about the effects of "forcing water". I may prefer a filter where water is filtered more naturally... And after filtering energizing with vorticising. .. Stephen. --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> Subject: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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You absolutely want the fluoride out! It is a calcium channel blocker, and it also likes to bind to aluminum and mercury, quite a hot and acid situation when located in the brain, hello Alzheimer's...
There're very few filters that can truly remove it. Dalton is a well known one for that. A search will bring them up, and their sizes. I would suggest a couple filters in a row, one- the fluoride removing filter, and another for chlorine, etc. If it's carbon, it should be block, not granular. I use a 3rd filter - half micron one at the sink for drinking water. The water is good, and there is still some mineral in it, as there is a a small amount of sediment in the bottom of pot on the fire, used for humidity in winter. The best water I get sometimes from town - bring your own bottles, runs through several types of filtration and includes UV lighting as well, it's very good, and even that has a little sediment left in the same situation. ~ Snoshoe > > From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> > Subject: [eSens] water filters? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:18 PM > > Anyone have advice on water filters for whole house > and drinking water? Is it worth getting fluoride out of the > city water? KDF vs carbon? What size for whole house? > Bill > |
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reverse osmosis has yet another disadvantage. The water is turned energetically very negative unless you use something to energize it afterwards, for instance some crystals or the symbol Flower Of Life. Some companies are already aware of this and have an energetization of the water already built in. So ask. dietrich In einer eMail vom 19.04.2010 12:29:04 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt [hidden email]: Well, this is good to know that reverse osmosis isn't as good as most people think... Charles, Do you still advise detox foot baths that work on reverse osmosis? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Helen, the water energizer of Johann Grander is very well known to me. I had one for about 10 years, till it broke. This gave me the opportunity to look what is inside. There were 2 metallic capsules filled with water, probablythe Grander water from that copper mine, he was using. I was testing them via elektroacupuncture and the were still active. I fixed them on my main waterpipe and found that they still energize my tap water. It is that simple. I then put a sample of water of Lourdes in a small plastik bag und fixed this to my water pipe and again the vibration of this water was transported to my tap water. Well, Grander earns to be honoured, because he probably was the first, who discovered this principle, which is so simple. Sorrowly later someone more money orientated took over the company. dietrich n einer eMail vom 18.04.2010 03:15:02 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt [hidden email]: Hi Bill, The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides almost as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies throughout the world today. The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works of Victor Schauberger. I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever that cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the difference. The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two scientists wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could not. Look up his name and you will find lots of info. Cheers, Helen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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from all I read, neither water osmosis, activated carbon, ultraviolet, Kinetic degradation (KDF), iron filter etc are adequate. I have some files concerning the dangers of purifying water, but can't send pdf fileshere. from all I read, I am interested in Emoto's theory and looking into voriticizing. Might be worth exploring how water used to be purified hundreds years ago!!! IMHO, Altering water structure, depleting minerals, can't be replaced. from what I read, purifying water by the above methods, acidifies the water. It will deplete of minerals and the altered water molecules does not hydrate the body. Basically, Emoto says that water has memory. And if the structures are altered it will revert to its original vibrational shape. But, if it is stripped of mineral and oxygen, it will not. So for now, I am staying with bottle Evian, but may vorticize and use Emoto's musiK, lol. --- On Wed, 4/21/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 3:20 PM Hi Helen, the water energizer of Johann Grander is very well known to me. I had one for about 10 years, till it broke. This gave me the opportunity to look what is inside. There were 2 metallic capsules filled with water, probablythe Grander water from that copper mine, he was using. I was testing them via elektroacupuncture and the were still active. I fixed them on my main waterpipe and found that they still energize my tap water. It is that simple. I then put a sample of water of Lourdes in a small plastik bag und fixed this to my water pipe and again the vibration of this water was transported to my tap water. Well, Grander earns to be honoured, because he probably was the first, who discovered this principle, which is so simple. Sorrowly later someone more money orientated took over the company. dietrich n einer eMail vom 18.04.2010 03:15:02 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt helenmurphybb@ gmail.com: Hi Bill, The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides almost as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies throughout the world today. The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works of Victor Schauberger. I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever that cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the difference. The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two scientists wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could not. Look up his name and you will find lots of info. Cheers, Helen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi,
I'm also looking for a good water filter for my tap water. A water-specialist and friend here in Belgium recommends me to filter with a STRUCTURED MATRIX by GENERAL ECOLOGY It seems very good because: -it gets all the bad stuff out (viruses, bacteria, chlorine,...) -it doesn't change the structure of the water -it doesn't remove the minerals from the water Because it is quite an investment I would like to check here, are there people who have (tested) this? Part of the filtering of the water is via electrostatic removal... Could that magnetize and/or harm the water EMF-wise? After the filtering I would energize the water with vorticisation. The filtering process is explained here with text and pictures: http://www.purewateronline.co.uk/how-it-works-965-0.html "Structured Matrix" - How the Structured Matrix PURIFIES your water withoutusing chemicals! 1) >Ultrafine Microstraining - Physically removes disease bacteria, pathogenic cysts like Giardia, Cryptosporidia, and other specific parasites and debris down to 0.1 microns (0.4 absolute). Removing the pathogens also removes the disease toxins they contain and is far more superior to "poisoning" organisms with pesticides and allowing the pathogen residue, toxins and pesticides to remain in the water to be consumed. 2) Broad Spectrum Molecular Capture - Traps and captures specific organic and other chemicals such as pesticides, herbicides and solvents, as well as chlorine and other trace contaminates that can be toxic and/or carcinogenic, along with foul taste, odour and colour. 3) Electrostatic Removal - Uses specially charge space-aged surfaces, essentially as magnets to remove minute particles, molecules and colloids suspended in the water. All of these purification mechanisms work together to REMOVE viruses, disease bacteria and other contaminants far smaller than submicron microfiltration alone can remove. --- On Wed, 4/21/10, Kooky <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Kooky <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:45 PM from all I read, neither water osmosis, activated carbon, ultraviolet, Kinetic degradation (KDF), iron filter etc are adequate. I have some files concerning the dangers of purifying water, but can't send pdf fileshere. from all I read, I am interested in Emoto's theory and looking into voriticizing. Might be worth exploring how water used to be purified hundreds years ago!!! IMHO, Altering water structure, depleting minerals, can't be replaced. from what I read, purifying water by the above methods, acidifies the water. It will deplete of minerals and the altered water molecules does not hydrate the body. Basically, Emoto says that water has memory. And if the structures are altered it will revert to its original vibrational shape. But, if it is stripped of mineral and oxygen, it will not. So for now, I am staying with bottle Evian, but may vorticize and use Emoto's musiK, lol. --- On Wed, 4/21/10, Gruendg@aol. com <Gruendg@aol. com> wrote: From: Gruendg@aol. com <Gruendg@aol. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 3:20 PM Hi Helen, the water energizer of Johann Grander is very well known to me. I had one for about 10 years, till it broke. This gave me the opportunity to look what is inside. There were 2 metallic capsules filled with water, probably the Grander water from that copper mine, he was using. I was testing them via elektroacupuncture and the were still active. I fixed them on my main waterpipe and found that they still energize my tap water. It is that simple. I then put a sample of water of Lourdes in a small plastik bag und fixed this to my water pipe and again the vibration of this water was transported to my tap water. Well, Grander earns to be honoured, because he probably was the first, who discovered this principle, which is so simple. Sorrowly later someone more money orientated took over the company. dietrich n einer eMail vom 18.04.2010 03:15:02 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt helenmurphybb@ gmail.com: Hi Bill, The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides almost as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies throughout the world today. The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works of Victor Schauberger. I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever that cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the difference. The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two scientists wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could not. Look up his name and you will find lots of info. Cheers, Helen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Dietrich!
I am glad there is someone else who understands Grander's work. Like someone else mentioned, water has a memory, but when you leach stuff out of it, it becomes like a homeopathic solution and bombards the body even further. Cheers , Helen On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:20 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Hi Helen, > the water energizer of Johann Grander is very well known to me. I had one > for about 10 years, till it broke. This gave me the opportunity to look > what is inside. There were 2 metallic capsules filled with water, probably > the > Grander water from that copper mine, he was using. I was testing them via > elektroacupuncture and the were still active. I fixed them on my main > waterpipe and found that they still energize my tap water. > It is that simple. I then put a sample of water of Lourdes in a small > plastik bag und fixed this to my water pipe and again the vibration of this > > water was transported to my tap water. > > Well, Grander earns to be honoured, because he probably was the first, who > discovered this principle, which is so simple. Sorrowly later someone more > money orientated took over the company. > > dietrich > > n einer eMail vom 18.04.2010 03:15:02 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt > [hidden email] <helenmurphybb%40gmail.com>: > > Hi Bill, > > The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like > what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides > almost > as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies > throughout the world today. > The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not > Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works > of Victor Schauberger. > I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever > that > cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home > that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the > difference. > The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two > scientists > wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could > not. > Look up his name and you will find lots of info. > > Cheers, > Helen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ... [show rest of quote] -- Helen A Murphy Environomics.com.au 0448 877 384 03 9372 3217 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I've tried the Grander pen a month ago and had very bad side effects from drinking only one glass... With stuff like Grander pens they seem to program quite a lot in the water and then it's indeed something like homeopathic drops, and actually in the same league as Quantum, Earthcalm,... it may suit you or it may not suit you...
On water there have been a lot of other great researchers, especially Schauberger, but also Emoto,... Since reading their books I'm also very passionate about water... With simply vorticising in a glass bottle you can achieve a lot: -vorticising clockwise, you reset the water from "(bad) memories" in the past. -vorticising anti-clockwise you add energy to the water I have a lot more energy since I vorticise my water a copple of times... It's probably very healthy because it's also the most natural way to energize water... You can add extra positive energy to water by music, thoughts, words, symbols... greets, Stephen. --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] water filters? To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 1:21 PM Hi Dietrich! I am glad there is someone else who understands Grander's work. Like someone else mentioned, water has a memory, but when you leach stuff out of it, it becomes like a homeopathic solution and bombards the body even further. Cheers , Helen On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:20 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Hi Helen, > the water energizer of Johann Grander is very well known to me. I had one > for about 10 years, till it broke. This gave me the opportunity to look > what is inside. There were 2 metallic capsules filled with water, probably > the > Grander water from that copper mine, he was using. I was testing them via > elektroacupuncture and the were still active. I fixed them on my main > waterpipe and found that they still energize my tap water. > It is that simple. I then put a sample of water of Lourdes in a small > plastik bag und fixed this to my water pipe and again the vibration of this > > water was transported to my tap water. > > Well, Grander earns to be honoured, because he probably was the first, who > discovered this principle, which is so simple. Sorrowly later someone more > money orientated took over the company. > > dietrich > > n einer eMail vom 18.04.2010 03:15:02 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt > [hidden email] <helenmurphybb%40gmail.com>: > > Hi Bill, > > The filter that I use is not a filter but works on transmutation. Much like > what happens with some devices. Designed by Johan Grander who resides > almost > as a recluse in Austria, it is used by many food and beverage companies > throughout the world today. > The Russians even awarded him a scientific medal even though he is not > Russian for his discovery. His work is very similar in nature to the works > of Victor Schauberger. > I have a whole house system with no moving parts and will last forever > that > cost AU$3,000. I also have a little penergizer that I use away from home > that can be placed in any liquid and it is very easy to taste the > difference. > The book- On the Track of Waters Secrets, explains it all, as two > scientists > wanted to disprove what Grander had done and ended up finding they could > not. > Look up his name and you will find lots of info. > > Cheers, > Helen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ... [show rest of quote] -- Helen A Murphy Environomics.com.au 0448 877 384 03 9372 3217 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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