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Jean-2

updates of my emf situation

Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest news ;)

I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal (around
20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced to 2
uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not enough.
now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not picked
up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the antennas
on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone mast
emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm just
being targeted by the state.

jean.

charles-4

Re: updates of my emf situation

Hello Jean,

I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.

I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an appartment
building.
I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
It was a very peculiar experience.
It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of the foil,
but at the borders it came down very heavy.
I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
Even that was not enough.
In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place some
material also.
(And I had grounded te foil also)

You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for about 3-4
Euro a piece.
It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver and gold
looking.

But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have reflections
from the other side.
The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint (HSF53 or
alike) because they absorb more.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "jean" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04
Subject: [eSens] updates of my emf situation

> Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest news ;)
>
> I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal (around
> 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced to 2
> uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not enough.
> now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not picked
> up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the antennas
> on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone mast
> emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm just
> being targeted by the state.
>
> jean.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jean-2

Re: updates of my emf situation

Thanks Charles, as usual it is very interesting. I'm gonna think
about it seriously. The grounded paint. (have to install a cable
for the ground coming from 6 meters away, find the paint, etc). It's
pretty neat if it doesn't reflect the other signal from the opposite
direction.

The paint might be cheaper than the 60 euros per square meter rolls.

jean.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jean,
>
> I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
> It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.
>
> I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an
appartment
> building.
> I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
> It was a very peculiar experience.
> It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of
the foil,
> but at the borders it came down very heavy.
> I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
> Even that was not enough.
> In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place
some
> material also.
> (And I had grounded te foil also)
>
> You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
> Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for
about 3-4
> Euro a piece.
> It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver
and gold
> looking.
>
> But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have
reflections
> from the other side.
> The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint
(HSF53 or

> alike) because they absorb more.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jean" <tdx244@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04
> Subject: [eSens] updates of my emf situation
>
>
> > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest

news ;)
> >
> > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
(around
> > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
to 2
> > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
enough.
> > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
picked
> > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
antennas
> > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
mast
> > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
just

> > being targeted by the state.
> >
> > jean.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Emil at Less EMF Inc

Re: updates of my emf situation

Hi Jean,

In the US you can get the HSF53-P at http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html#290
About $13 per square meter.

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: "jean" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

> Thanks Charles, as usual it is very interesting. I'm gonna think
> about it seriously. The grounded paint. (have to install a cable
> for the ground coming from 6 meters away, find the paint, etc). It's
> pretty neat if it doesn't reflect the other signal from the opposite
> direction.
>
> The paint might be cheaper than the 60 euros per square meter rolls.
>
> jean.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jean,
> >
> > I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
> > It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.
> >
> > I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an
> appartment
> > building.
> > I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
> > It was a very peculiar experience.
> > It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of
> the foil,
> > but at the borders it came down very heavy.
> > I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
> > Even that was not enough.
> > In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place
> some
> > material also.
> > (And I had grounded te foil also)
> >
> > You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
> > Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for
> about 3-4
> > Euro a piece.
> > It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver
> and gold
> > looking.
> >
> > But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have
> reflections
> > from the other side.
> > The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint
> (HSF53 or
> > alike) because they absorb more.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jean" <tdx244@...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04
> > Subject: [eSens] updates of my emf situation
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest
> news ;)
> > >
> > > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
> (around
> > > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
> to 2
> > > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
> enough.
> > > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> > > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
> picked
> > > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
> antennas
> > > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> > > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
> mast
> > > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
> just
> > > being targeted by the state.
> > >
> > > jean.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

charles-4

Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Jean-2

Hello Jean,

the paint costs about 20 Euro per m2.
Look at: www.priggen.com
under Online Webshop, Abschirmung and Abschirmmaterial.

HSF53P or 362
And a grounding set.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "jean" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:15
Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

> Thanks Charles, as usual it is very interesting. I'm gonna think
> about it seriously. The grounded paint. (have to install a cable
> for the ground coming from 6 meters away, find the paint, etc). It's
> pretty neat if it doesn't reflect the other signal from the opposite
> direction.
>
> The paint might be cheaper than the 60 euros per square meter rolls.
>
> jean.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jean,
>>
>> I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
>> It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.
>>
>> I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an
> appartment
>> building.
>> I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
>> It was a very peculiar experience.
>> It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of
> the foil,
>> but at the borders it came down very heavy.
>> I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
>> Even that was not enough.
>> In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place
> some
>> material also.
>> (And I had grounded te foil also)
>>
>> You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
>> Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for
> about 3-4
>> Euro a piece.
>> It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver
> and gold
>> looking.
>>
>> But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have
> reflections
>> from the other side.
>> The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint
> (HSF53 or
>> alike) because they absorb more.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jean" <tdx244@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04
>> Subject: [eSens] updates of my emf situation
>>
>>
>> > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest
> news ;)
>> >
>> > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
> (around
>> > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
> to 2
>> > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
> enough.
>> > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
>> > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
> picked
>> > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
> antennas
>> > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
>> > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
> mast
>> > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
> just
>> > being targeted by the state.
>> >
>> > jean.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

charles-4

Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Emil at Less EMF Inc

Sure Emil,

but I understood, that Jean is in France.
And then Germany is closer.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Less EMF Inc." <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 23:36
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

> Hi Jean,
>
> In the US you can get the HSF53-P at http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html#290
> About $13 per square meter.
>
> Emil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jean" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:15 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>
>
>> Thanks Charles, as usual it is very interesting. I'm gonna think
>> about it seriously. The grounded paint. (have to install a cable
>> for the ground coming from 6 meters away, find the paint, etc). It's
>> pretty neat if it doesn't reflect the other signal from the opposite
>> direction.
>>
>> The paint might be cheaper than the 60 euros per square meter rolls.
>>
>> jean.
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Jean,
>> >
>> > I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
>> > It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.
>> >
>> > I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an
>> appartment
>> > building.
>> > I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
>> > It was a very peculiar experience.
>> > It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of
>> the foil,
>> > but at the borders it came down very heavy.
>> > I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
>> > Even that was not enough.
>> > In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place
>> some
>> > material also.
>> > (And I had grounded te foil also)
>> >
>> > You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
>> > Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for
>> about 3-4
>> > Euro a piece.
>> > It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver
>> and gold
>> > looking.
>> >
>> > But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have
>> reflections
>> > from the other side.
>> > The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint
>> (HSF53 or
>> > alike) because they absorb more.
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> > Charles Claessens
>> > member Verband Baubiologie
>> > www.milieuziektes.nl
>> > www.milieuziektes.be
>> > www.hetbitje.nl
>> > checked by Norton Antivirus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "jean" <tdx244@...>
>> > To: <[hidden email]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04
>> > Subject: [eSens] updates of my emf situation
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest
>> news ;)
>> > >
>> > > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
>> (around
>> > > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
>> to 2
>> > > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
>> enough.
>> > > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
>> > > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
>> picked
>> > > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
>> antennas
>> > > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
>> > > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
>> mast
>> > > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
>> just
>> > > being targeted by the state.
>> > >
>> > > jean.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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rowster_c

Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by charles-4

Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
and you Jean.

I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.

Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher reflection,
and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.

You mention absorption of the paint.

Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
field dose
measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or am
I missing something on the absorption comment?

Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere that
capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.

Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.

Many thanks,
Rowan C.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jean,
>
> I am not so enthousiastic about aluminium.
> It has other nasty properties, although it can shield.
>
> I have had once a neighbour with a DECT phone above me in an
appartment
> building.
> I placed a few squere meters of aluminium foil against the ceiling.
> It was a very peculiar experience.
> It looked, like the radiation was shielded only on the surface of
the foil,
> but at the borders it came down very heavy.
> I then placed the foil against the complete ceiling.
> Even that was not enough.
> In the corners, between ceiling and vertical wall, I had to place
some
> material also.
> (And I had grounded te foil also)
>
> You should try those *safety blankets* one can buy in camping shops.
> Small package of 10x15 cm, and unfolded it makes 2.20x1.60 m, for
about 3-4
> Euro a piece.
> It is a polyester film, with on both sides a metal coating, silver
and gold
> looking.
>
> But here also, there is a disadvantage, because you may have
reflections
> from the other side.
> The best way for shielding is using a special grounded black paint
(HSF53 or

;)
> >
> > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
(around
> > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced to
2
> > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
enough.
> > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
picked
> > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
antennas
> > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
mast
> > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
just

> > being targeted by the state.
> >
> > jean.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

charles-4

Re: updates of my emf situation

Hello Rowan,

aluminium has a special cristaline form, which stops neutrons (which we
need, as cosmic radiation).
Furthermore it may shield substantially and reflects alot, but at the end of
the shielding, RF radiation seems to follow strange ways,
where as longitudinal waves follow other paths (not provable of course) but
feelable by electrosensibles.
While it keeps some RF radiation from outside at bay, the inside present
radiation will be reflected enormously.
And people who have used aluminium as shielding feel uncomfortable after a
while.

Those effects do not occur so strong with f.i. those *safety blankets* (as I
call them the *poor mans* shielding).

And the paints are more absorbing, and transforming into (very lowlevel)
heat, and the reflection is much less.
And they do not reflect into your face.
Be aware, that those paints are electro conductive, so a grounding system
must be used.
There are several systems (from tapes to plaques) available.
The paint suppliers do have them.

With orgone *things*, aluminium is also always avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 16:04
Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

> Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
> and you Jean.
>
> I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
> carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.
>
> Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher reflection,
> and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
> lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.
>
> You mention absorption of the paint.
>
> Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
> and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
> field dose
> measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or am
> I missing something on the absorption comment?
>
> Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
> there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
> body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere that
> capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
> your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.
>
> Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.
>
> Many thanks,
> Rowan C.
>

Andrew McAfee

Re: updates of my emf situation

How about laying down a bunch of Velostat or PLASTIC SHIELDING FILM in
the attic? Any one try that yet?
I am thinking about it.
Andrew
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:28 AM, charles wrote:

> Hello Rowan,
>
> aluminium has a special cristaline form, which stops neutrons (which we
> need, as cosmic radiation).
> Furthermore it may shield substantially and reflects alot, but at the
> end of
> the shielding, RF radiation seems to follow strange ways,
> where as longitudinal waves follow other paths (not provable of
> course) but
> feelable by electrosensibles.
> While it keeps some RF radiation from outside at bay, the inside
> present
> radiation will be reflected enormously.
> And people who have used aluminium as shielding feel uncomfortable
> after a
> while.
>
> Those effects do not occur so strong with f.i. those *safety blankets*
> (as I
> call them the *poor mans* shielding).
>
> And the paints are more absorbing, and transforming into (very
> lowlevel)
> heat, and the reflection is much less.
> And they do not reflect into your face.
> Be aware, that those paints are electro conductive, so a grounding
> system
> must be used.
> There are several systems (from tapes to plaques) available.
> The paint suppliers do have them.
>
> With orgone *things*, aluminium is also always avoided.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 16:04
> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>
>
>> Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
>> and you Jean.
>>
>> I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
>> carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.
>>
>> Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher reflection,
>> and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
>> lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.
>>
>> You mention absorption of the paint.
>>
>> Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
>> and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
>> field dose
>> measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or am
>> I missing something on the absorption comment?
>>
>> Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
>> there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
>> body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere that
>> capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
>> your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.
>>
>> Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Rowan C.
>>
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Re: updates of my emf situation

What is the purpose of *laying down a bunch of Velostat films* ?

Is some RF radiation coming from the floor ?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 17:00
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

> How about laying down a bunch of Velostat or PLASTIC SHIELDING FILM in
> the attic? Any one try that yet?
> I am thinking about it.
> Andrew
> On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:28 AM, charles wrote:
>
>> Hello Rowan,
>>
>> aluminium has a special cristaline form, which stops neutrons (which we
>> need, as cosmic radiation).
>> Furthermore it may shield substantially and reflects alot, but at the
>> end of
>> the shielding, RF radiation seems to follow strange ways,
>> where as longitudinal waves follow other paths (not provable of
>> course) but
>> feelable by electrosensibles.
>> While it keeps some RF radiation from outside at bay, the inside
>> present
>> radiation will be reflected enormously.
>> And people who have used aluminium as shielding feel uncomfortable
>> after a
>> while.
>>
>> Those effects do not occur so strong with f.i. those *safety blankets*
>> (as I
>> call them the *poor mans* shielding).
>>
>> And the paints are more absorbing, and transforming into (very
>> lowlevel)
>> heat, and the reflection is much less.
>> And they do not reflect into your face.
>> Be aware, that those paints are electro conductive, so a grounding
>> system
>> must be used.
>> There are several systems (from tapes to plaques) available.
>> The paint suppliers do have them.
>>
>> With orgone *things*, aluminium is also always avoided.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 16:04
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>>
>>
>>> Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
>>> and you Jean.
>>>
>>> I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
>>> carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.
>>>
>>> Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher reflection,
>>> and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
>>> lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.
>>>
>>> You mention absorption of the paint.
>>>
>>> Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
>>> and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
>>> field dose
>>> measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or am
>>> I missing something on the absorption comment?
>>>
>>> Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
>>> there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
>>> body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere that
>>> capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
>>> your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.
>>>
>>> Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Rowan C.
>>>
>>
>>
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Andrew McAfee

Re: updates of my emf situation

I meant in the attic for the stuff coming through the ceiling. I am
doing the windows and have a brick house. I wondered if doing the attic
with shielding would help.
Andrew
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:17 PM, charles wrote:

> What is the purpose of *laying down a bunch of Velostat films* ?
>
> Is some RF radiation coming from the floor ?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 17:00
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>
>
>> How about laying down a bunch of Velostat or PLASTIC SHIELDING FILM
>> in
>> the attic? Any one try that yet?
>> I am thinking about it.
>> Andrew
>> On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:28 AM, charles wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Rowan,
>>>
>>> aluminium has a special cristaline form, which stops neutrons (which
>>> we
>>> need, as cosmic radiation).
>>> Furthermore it may shield substantially and reflects alot, but at the
>>> end of
>>> the shielding, RF radiation seems to follow strange ways,
>>> where as longitudinal waves follow other paths (not provable of
>>> course) but
>>> feelable by electrosensibles.
>>> While it keeps some RF radiation from outside at bay, the inside
>>> present
>>> radiation will be reflected enormously.
>>> And people who have used aluminium as shielding feel uncomfortable
>>> after a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> Those effects do not occur so strong with f.i. those *safety
>>> blankets*
>>> (as I
>>> call them the *poor mans* shielding).
>>>
>>> And the paints are more absorbing, and transforming into (very
>>> lowlevel)
>>> heat, and the reflection is much less.
>>> And they do not reflect into your face.
>>> Be aware, that those paints are electro conductive, so a grounding
>>> system
>>> must be used.
>>> There are several systems (from tapes to plaques) available.
>>> The paint suppliers do have them.
>>>
>>> With orgone *things*, aluminium is also always avoided.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Charles Claessens
>>> member Verband Baubiologie
>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 16:04
>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
>>>> and you Jean.
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
>>>> carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.
>>>>
>>>> Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher
>>>> reflection,
>>>> and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
>>>> lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.
>>>>
>>>> You mention absorption of the paint.
>>>>
>>>> Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
>>>> and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
>>>> field dose
>>>> measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or
>>>> am
>>>> I missing something on the absorption comment?
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
>>>> there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
>>>> body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere
>>>> that
>>>> capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
>>>> your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Rowan C.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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charles-4

Re: updates of my emf situation

Hello Andrew,

of course that will do.

But only when radiation is coming from above.
When you have a transmittor on your roof..
Normally the RF radiation is coming slightly horizontally, and is it not
necessary for shielding horizontally.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 00:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

>I meant in the attic for the stuff coming through the ceiling. I am
> doing the windows and have a brick house. I wondered if doing the attic
> with shielding would help.
> Andrew
> On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:17 PM, charles wrote:
>
>> What is the purpose of *laying down a bunch of Velostat films* ?
>>
>> Is some RF radiation coming from the floor ?
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 17:00
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>>
>>
>>> How about laying down a bunch of Velostat or PLASTIC SHIELDING FILM
>>> in
>>> the attic? Any one try that yet?
>>> I am thinking about it.
>>> Andrew
>>> On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:28 AM, charles wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Rowan,
>>>>
>>>> aluminium has a special cristaline form, which stops neutrons (which
>>>> we
>>>> need, as cosmic radiation).
>>>> Furthermore it may shield substantially and reflects alot, but at the
>>>> end of
>>>> the shielding, RF radiation seems to follow strange ways,
>>>> where as longitudinal waves follow other paths (not provable of
>>>> course) but
>>>> feelable by electrosensibles.
>>>> While it keeps some RF radiation from outside at bay, the inside
>>>> present
>>>> radiation will be reflected enormously.
>>>> And people who have used aluminium as shielding feel uncomfortable
>>>> after a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>> Those effects do not occur so strong with f.i. those *safety
>>>> blankets*
>>>> (as I
>>>> call them the *poor mans* shielding).
>>>>
>>>> And the paints are more absorbing, and transforming into (very
>>>> lowlevel)
>>>> heat, and the reflection is much less.
>>>> And they do not reflect into your face.
>>>> Be aware, that those paints are electro conductive, so a grounding
>>>> system
>>>> must be used.
>>>> There are several systems (from tapes to plaques) available.
>>>> The paint suppliers do have them.
>>>>
>>>> With orgone *things*, aluminium is also always avoided.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Charles Claessens
>>>> member Verband Baubiologie
>>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 16:04
>>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Charles, long time no speak, hope you are doing well,
>>>>> and you Jean.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering what you were referring to with alfoil versus
>>>>> carbon black paint or an insulation blanket.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alfoil should have higher shielding rate, but also higher
>>>>> reflection,
>>>>> and your measurements may indicate a layer of it acting as a
>>>>> lens perhaps, attracting fields and increasing them at the edges.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mention absorption of the paint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it the case that the combination of absorption, lower reflection,
>>>>> and lower overall effect on E fields by the paint delivers a lower E
>>>>> field dose
>>>>> measured on your meters about two meters from the shielded wall? Or
>>>>> am
>>>>> I missing something on the absorption comment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternatively, maybe with highly shielding aluminium or anything,
>>>>> there is a capacitance between the shielded wall and the person's
>>>>> body, that annoys an electrosensitive. I saw a comment somewhere
>>>>> that
>>>>> capacitance between two shielded walls could be very annoying. Maybe
>>>>> your paints give some shielding without such capacitance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally the no rust on the paint is great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Rowan C.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Emil at Less EMF Inc

Hi Emil,

I was away for two days.

thanks for your indication. Yes, as Charles has said, I'm living in
France. Now, 13 dollars, it's more interesting a price !

Also what you said a while ago about the Xrays machines. Creating a
high emf field. That could be a good explanation. I think that more
modern machines I could bear it more easily. Don't know.

Also I heard that the machines just giving a digital image, no photo
plaques, were less emitting.

jean.

--- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> In the US you can get the HSF53-P at
http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html#290

> About $13 per square meter.
>
> Emil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jean" <tdx244@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:15 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>
>
> > Thanks Charles, as usual it is very interesting. I'm gonna think
> > about it seriously. The grounded paint. (have to install a

cable
> > for the ground coming from 6 meters away, find the paint, etc).
It's
> > pretty neat if it doesn't reflect the other signal from the
opposite
> > direction.
> >
> > The paint might be cheaper than the 60 euros per square meter
rolls.
> >
> > jean.
> >

Gruendg

Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Jean-2

IThere is another quite simple explanation for this phenomenon. The waves you
can measure are not the ones responsible for the negative health effects.
Responsible for the negative health effect are the Tesla waves or longitudinal
waves that always accompany any EMF. These waves as already Nikola Tesla found
more than 100 years ago easily pass any metallic shielding. They are somewhat
changed in this process but still contain biological harmful information. This
is the reason, why shielding first seemes to help and after some time the
complaints come up again.

Through biological measurements via electroacupuncture it is possible to
study the nature of those waves causing the health problems. And this way it is
also possible to find ways, to neutralize these negative effects. Strangely
enough these ideas are ignored by the majoritiy of the people yet. They still go
on shielding; they go on measuring those waves that are not the actual cause of
the problem. And because following this path of shielding and measuring some
relief can be achieved there is the belief that on this path the problem
finally could be solved. But it is the principally wrong path, as already Prof.
Warnke from Saarbruecken/Germany stated some years ago.

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quaixemen

Re: updates of my emf situation

I live in a mobile home that has aluminum siding. It has two aluminum roofs. I was sick as a dog living in this house. I could tell a big difference when I put shielding up on the inside of my house and hence inside the aluminum and grounded it. That way whatever the aluminum was reradiating would get picked up by the shielding and go to ground. I feel much much better inside my house since I put up the shielding. I have used velostat covered with metallic cloth that is 51 percent metallic. Hopefully the aluminum siding is now doing more good than harm. The siding and roof are grounded now also.
----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] updates of my emf situation

IThere is another quite simple explanation for this phenomenon. The waves you
can measure are not the ones responsible for the negative health effects.
Responsible for the negative health effect are the Tesla waves or longitudinal
waves that always accompany any EMF. These waves as already Nikola Tesla found
more than 100 years ago easily pass any metallic shielding. They are somewhat
changed in this process but still contain biological harmful information. This
is the reason, why shielding first seemes to help and after some time the
complaints come up again.

Through biological measurements via electroacupuncture it is possible to
study the nature of those waves causing the health problems. And this way it is
also possible to find ways, to neutralize these negative effects. Strangely
enough these ideas are ignored by the majoritiy of the people yet. They still go
on shielding; they go on measuring those waves that are not the actual cause of
the problem. And because following this path of shielding and measuring some
relief can be achieved there is the belief that on this path the problem
finally could be solved. But it is the principally wrong path, as already Prof.
Warnke from Saarbruecken/Germany stated some years ago.

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Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Gruendg

That's very interesting. I'll try to understand it a little bit
more. I really felt the benefit of the aluminium shield wore off
after a few days without having read anything about it.

jean.

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@... wrote:
>
> IThere is another quite simple explanation for this phenomenon. The
waves you
> can measure are not the ones responsible for the negative health
effects.
> Responsible for the negative health effect are the Tesla waves or
longitudinal
> waves that always accompany any EMF. These waves as already Nikola
Tesla found
> more than 100 years ago easily pass any metallic shielding. They
are somewhat
> changed in this process but still contain biological harmful
information. This
> is the reason, why shielding first seemes to help and after some
time the
> complaints come up again.
>
> Through biological measurements via electroacupuncture it is
possible to
> study the nature of those waves causing the health problems. And
this way it is
> also possible to find ways, to neutralize these negative effects.
Strangely
> enough these ideas are ignored by the majoritiy of the people yet.
They still go
> on shielding; they go on measuring those waves that are not the
actual cause of
> the problem. And because following this path of shielding and
measuring some
> relief can be achieved there is the belief that on this path the
problem
> finally could be solved. But it is the principally wrong path, as
already Prof.
> Warnke from Saarbruecken/Germany stated some years ago.
>
>
> > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest
news ;)
> >
> > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
(around
> > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
to 2
> > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
enough.
> > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
picked
> > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
antennas
> > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
mast
> > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
just
> > being targeted by the state.
> >
> > jean.
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

quaixemen

Re: updates of my emf situation

Being someone who has lived for sixteen years in an aluminum mobile home I have an opinion also. There is a theory out there that high frequencies when passed through objects such as medicine can possibly be carrier frequencies for whatever frequency is in the medicine. I've heard people suggest that they want to experiment with putting medicine in between them and their frequency generators to get the effect of the medicine. I think it is possible that the high frequencies in the atmosphere can go through the aluminum and can pick something up from the aluminum and become a carrier wave for it. Now all my house is shielded. I have one room that has no shielding at all. I go in there and forget why I went in there. I think it is the frequency of aluminum on the brain, possibly.
----- Original Message -----
From: jean
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation

That's very interesting. I'll try to understand it a little bit
more. I really felt the benefit of the aluminium shield wore off
after a few days without having read anything about it.

jean.

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@... wrote:
>
> IThere is another quite simple explanation for this phenomenon. The
waves you
> can measure are not the ones responsible for the negative health
effects.
> Responsible for the negative health effect are the Tesla waves or
longitudinal
> waves that always accompany any EMF. These waves as already Nikola
Tesla found
> more than 100 years ago easily pass any metallic shielding. They
are somewhat
> changed in this process but still contain biological harmful
information. This
> is the reason, why shielding first seemes to help and after some
time the
> complaints come up again.
>
> Through biological measurements via electroacupuncture it is
possible to
> study the nature of those waves causing the health problems. And
this way it is
> also possible to find ways, to neutralize these negative effects.
Strangely
> enough these ideas are ignored by the majoritiy of the people yet.
They still go
> on shielding; they go on measuring those waves that are not the
actual cause of
> the problem. And because following this path of shielding and
measuring some
> relief can be achieved there is the belief that on this path the
problem
> finally could be solved. But it is the principally wrong path, as
already Prof.
> Warnke from Saarbruecken/Germany stated some years ago.
>
>
> > Hi, I post from France from time to time. Here's the latest
news ;)
> >
> > I put an aluminium shield in the direction of a DECT signal
(around
> > 20 uW/m2) and for a while it got better, the signal was reduced
to 2
> > uW/m2 in the area shielded by the aluminium. But it is not
enough.
> > now I still feel heavily irradiated at night, I need one liter of
> > coffee to go on in the morning. There must be frequencies not
picked
> > up with my emf meter. I imagine it can be many things, the
antennas
> > on the roof (I'm on the last floor), the metal barriers they
> > installed all over the roof not long ago and picking the phone
mast
> > emissions a 100 meter away, or wifi or DECT reflections. Or I'm
just
> > being targeted by the state.
> >
> > jean.
> >
>
>
>
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>

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Re: updates of my emf situation

In reply to this post by Jean-2

Hello, straitguy,

passing microwaves of a mobile phone through a vibrational medicine or
homoeopathic medicine immediatedly will destroy this medicine. I have tested this.
Principally it is possible to transport the information of a vibrational
medicine through high frequencies. For this you have to apply a special procedure
using the Tesla wave part of the high frequency. A german professor Dr.
Konstatnin Meyl has such a machine. And evidently many others use this without
telling.
Dietrich Gruen

n einer eMail vom 06.03.2006 21:37:22 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

> Being someone who has lived for sixteen years in an aluminum mobile home I
> have an opinion also. There is a theory out there that high frequencies when
> passed through objects such as medicine can possibly be carrier frequencies
> for whatever frequency is in the medicine. I've heard people suggest that
> they want to experiment with putting medicine in between them and their
> frequency generators to get the effect of the medicine. I think it is possible that
> the high frequencies in the atmosphere can go through the aluminum and can
> pick something up from the aluminum and become a carrier wave for it. Now all
> my house is shielded. I have one room that has no shielding at all. I go
> in there and forget why I went in there. I think it is the frequency of
> aluminum on the brain, possibly.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jean
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: updates of my emf situation
>
>
>

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snoshoe_2

Re: updates of my emf situation

Hey Dietrich,

I'm not sure I understand this. Do you mean that the machine they use
protects the medicine from the microwave frequencies?

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@... wrote:
>
> Hello, straitguy,
>
> passing microwaves of a mobile phone through a vibrational medicine
or
> homoeopathic medicine immediatedly will destroy this medicine. I
have tested this.
> Principally it is possible to transport the information of a
vibrational
> medicine through high frequencies. For this you have to apply a
special procedure
> using the Tesla wave part of the high frequency. A german professor
Dr.
> Konstatnin Meyl has such a machine. And evidently many others use
this without
> telling.
> Dietrich Gruen
>