This past week I have been troubleshooting radio frquencies and I am
hoping there is some science/order to it and someone here might be able to help enlighten me. I have reduced the electric and magnetic fields, but the Rf is a very difficult to understand. I pulled a cable that connected two smoke detectors that was causing high Rf on circuit two. It lowered circuit two, but then raised the Rf on circuit one (my bedroom). Circuit two went from 70 (microwatts per centimeter squared) down to 15. Circuit one from.9 up to 5.5. Circuit 5 and 6 also were reduced from 8 down to 1. (Thats nice for my computer use) My EMF person tells me these are very low levels and suggests that they are being absorbed form the neighborhood ambient fields which are.3 The incoming power water gas phone cable are all below.1 Most of the power to our house is off however my MIL lives in an attached studio and she has a cordless phone but its far from circuit one and two. The circuit on which the cordless is plugged in reads low too.She has one dimmer also and the same smoke detector (ionizing) we had, hers now on battery, ours removed. It seems that the RF is circuit specific. We have metal heating ductwork in attic and below house. I want to reduce the levels in my bedroom. Any suggestions as to how I might proceed? Also any suggestions for a smoke detector? seems that the ones in the store are all ionizing. Photo electric ok? Thanks, Sandi |
Hello,
I do not know whether your RF meter is correct, but 1 µW/cm² = 10000 µW/m², and that is much too much. We advice for living rooms 100 µW/m², and for bed rooms 1 µW/m² for normal people. For ES lower values. RF and RF may be different things. Besides the normal frequencies between 1 MHz and 3 GHz and up, (mainly caused by mobile phones etc.) we are also pestered with frequencies, which are in between what we call low- and high frequencies, that is between 5 kHz and 150 kHz, mainly around 30 kHz. They may be as *dirty power* in the mains electricity net, but also *in space* around halogen lamps, smoke detectors and electrical conduits, which are provided with so-called *automatic demand switches in conjunction with circuit breakers*: When in function, they send a low voltage tension over the line, for which ES can be sensitive. In such cases these radio controlled demand switches are advisable. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandimaurer" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:05 Subject: [eSens] troubleshooting radio frequencies > This past week I have been troubleshooting radio frquencies and I am > hoping there is some science/order to it and someone here might be > able to help enlighten me. I have reduced the electric and magnetic > fields, but the Rf is a very difficult to understand. > > I pulled a cable that connected two smoke detectors that was causing > high Rf on circuit two. It lowered circuit two, but then raised the Rf > on circuit one (my bedroom). Circuit two went from 70 (microwatts per > centimeter squared) down to 15. Circuit one from.9 up to 5.5. > Circuit 5 and 6 also were reduced from 8 down to 1. (Thats nice for my > computer use) > > My EMF person tells me these are very low levels and suggests that > they are being absorbed form the neighborhood ambient fields which are.3 > The incoming power water gas phone cable are all below.1 > > Most of the power to our house is off however my MIL lives in an > attached studio and she has a cordless phone but its far from circuit > one and two. The circuit on which the cordless is plugged in reads low > too.She has one dimmer also and the same smoke detector (ionizing) we > had, hers now on battery, ours removed. > > It seems that the RF is circuit specific. We have metal heating > ductwork in attic and below house. > > I want to reduce the levels in my bedroom. Any suggestions as to how I > might proceed? > Also any suggestions for a smoke detector? seems that the ones in the > store are all ionizing. Photo electric ok? > > Thanks, Sandi > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Hi Sandi,
I'm curious, how are you measuring the RF? Doesn't sound like a GS meter plugged in the wall (circuit). I guess it must be measured at a close distance to the wiring? Are circuit one and two on the same phase? I would guess yes. I guess the smoke detector is one of the new ones that have a 3-wire cable to sound the alert throughout the house if one gets set off? I also had to disconnect them, and go to a battery model. Unfortunately, even it is noisier than the Old one in my previous travel trailer home. They don't make them like they used to... Stewart sandimaurer wrote: > This past week I have been troubleshooting radio frquencies and I am > hoping there is some science/order to it and someone here might be > able to help enlighten me. I have reduced the electric and magnetic > fields, but the Rf is a very difficult to understand. > > I pulled a cable that connected two smoke detectors that was causing > high Rf on circuit two. It lowered circuit two, but then raised the Rf > on circuit one (my bedroom). Circuit two went from 70 (microwatts per > centimeter squared) down to 15. Circuit one from.9 up to 5.5. > Circuit 5 and 6 also were reduced from 8 down to 1. (Thats nice for my > computer use) > > My EMF person tells me these are very low levels and suggests that > they are being absorbed form the neighborhood ambient fields which are.3 > The incoming power water gas phone cable are all below.1 > > Most of the power to our house is off however my MIL lives in an > attached studio and she has a cordless phone but its far from circuit > one and two. The circuit on which the cordless is plugged in reads low > too.She has one dimmer also and the same smoke detector (ionizing) we > had, hers now on battery, ours removed. > > It seems that the RF is circuit specific. We have metal heating > ductwork in attic and below house. > > I want to reduce the levels in my bedroom. Any suggestions as to how I > might proceed? > Also any suggestions for a smoke detector? seems that the ones in the > store are all ionizing. Photo electric ok? > > Thanks, Sandi > > |
I am measuring with a RF field strength meter in uW/cm 2
I am holding the meter to the light switch or plug. circuit one and two are near each other (bedrooms) What does same phase mean? We just did an extensive test measuring with circuits with power on/off, phones on/off and cable on/off. Certain circuits and phone lines had wild fluctuations and The highest overall reading was with everything OFF the heater intake vent read 58 uW/cm2 It seems that the phones/cable help disperse and reduce the frequencies? Nothing lowered the bedrooms levels enough to sleep there. I really don't want to have to move but it seems that the RF in this house is an ES nightmare. There are wires running on/near the metal heat venting, who knows what would undo the situation without a total careful rewire and removal of the forced air furnace. Not sure how to proceed. ok, I'll now go look at the emerging spring and Come back to the situation afresh. Cheers, Sandi --- In [hidden email], "S. Andreason" <sandreas41@...> wrote: > > Hi Sandi, > > I'm curious, how are you measuring the RF? > Doesn't sound like a GS meter plugged in the wall (circuit). > > I guess it must be measured at a close distance to the wiring? > > Are circuit one and two on the same phase? I would guess yes. > > I guess the smoke detector is one of the new ones that have a 3-wire > cable to sound the alert throughout the house if one gets set off? > I also had to disconnect them, and go to a battery model. > > Unfortunately, even it is noisier than the Old one in my previous > trailer home. > They don't make them like they used to... > > Stewart > |
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Its funny that you should highlight the warm air ducts. I came to an
arrangement with a local Housing developer whereby if I worked for him it would have to be in a house that was empty (knocking down in future)rather than his "highly" electrosmogged office. But typically with ES for every compromise there is a sting in the tale lurking behind the scenes. In the case of the house I soon realisefd that it was not the place for me. After a couple of hours working there alone with most of the elec off. I was climbing up the walls !! It turns out that there are several telephone masts in the vicinity, 6-7 within 800mtrs. one of those places where there are many dotted around the place within a relatively short distance from one another but you would need a plane view to see it !! Anyway this house has metal underfloor warm air vents and a measure with my trifeild revealed high emf. at ground floor level. In fact the whole vicinity drives me up the wall so I only visit the place for short periods max 30mins before scalp gets tight, tingling starts and heart rythm gets odd, get very uptight for no apparent reason ??!! Tinitus goes mad later and I feel fogged /mentally fatigued all day long !! This stuff is like cryptonite to me, I am at my core very strong and fit, but I am finding my heart is floundering of late, and the glands under my arms are sore, plus to look like real hypocondriac I have developed a mega intermittant pain in my left little toe, I am beginning to think that that it is related to stress reaction as I think that it sets off sometimes just before I register a hit of adrenaline when angry or shocked ??I had an ECG which came up normal, typical really we are fit but this stuff hits the fit in insidious somewhat untracable ways in the short term. Bassically the RF is a largely hidden problem for ES persons and I have intentions of getting up to speed on this one and equipping myself with a suitable meter. Many fledgling ESSERS only get to grips with emf/elec feilds but I have long since suspected that RF is probably one of the worst offenders for ES getting us from greater distances therfore far more troublesome/insidiuos than bog standard near feild EMFS, I feel that many modern applainces such as LCD vdus and televisons, digital set-top boxes etc give off chaotic RF which by the law of averges will hit the spot for most ESSERS in a matte of moments of exposure. We are like apprentices messing with the Scourcerors magic on this one, who knows what we are doing ! Paul UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Paul -
The only meter I have found valid for RF measurement is one of the 'Gigahertz solutions' high-frequency meters. These cost about $500 and will measure the cell phone mast radiation pretty accurately, to give you a decent feel for how much high-freqency RF is around you. Make sure there are no wireless lan's running around it as it will also measure those, as well as certain land phones which have bases which emit a 2.4 ghtz or 5.8ghtz constant RF - some do and some don't. As to the lower frequency radio waves which I am most sensitive to, there is no way to accurately measure them, and you'll waste lots of money and time trying to. I found that out from Charles Keene at : http://www.emfservices.com/ That is the worst thing about this condition, if only we could really measure everything and easily know where to go, the horrible bottom line is you have to get good at accurately measuring how your body feels. On 3/11/07, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Its funny that you should highlight the warm air ducts. I came to an > arrangement with a local Housing developer whereby if I worked for him it > would > have to be in a house that was empty (knocking down in future)rather than > his > "highly" electrosmogged office. But typically with ES for every compromise > > there is a sting in the tale lurking behind the scenes. In the case of the > > house I soon realisefd that it was not the place for me. After a couple of > hours > working there alone with most of the elec off. I was climbing up the walls > > !! It turns out that there are several telephone masts in the vicinity, > 6-7 > within 800mtrs. one of those places where there are many dotted around the > > place within a relatively short distance from one another but you would > need a > plane view to see it !! Anyway this house has metal underfloor warm air > vents > and a measure with my trifeild revealed high emf. at ground floor level. > In > fact the whole vicinity drives me up the wall so I only visit the place > for > short periods max 30mins before scalp gets tight, tingling starts and > heart > rythm gets odd, get very uptight for no apparent reason ??!! Tinitus goes > mad > later and I feel fogged /mentally fatigued all day long !! > > This stuff is like cryptonite to me, I am at my core very strong and fit, > but I am finding my heart is floundering of late, and the glands under my > arms > are sore, plus to look like real hypocondriac I have developed a mega > intermittant pain in my left little toe, I am beginning to think that that > it is > related to stress reaction as I think that it sets off sometimes just > before I > register a hit of adrenaline when angry or shocked ??I had an ECG which > came > up normal, typical really we are fit but this stuff hits the fit in > insidious > somewhat untracable ways in the short term. > > Bassically the RF is a largely hidden problem for ES persons and I have > intentions of getting up to speed on this one and equipping myself with a > suitable meter. Many fledgling ESSERS only get to grips with emf/elec > feilds but I > have long since suspected that RF is probably one of the worst offenders > for > ES getting us from greater distances therfore far more > troublesome/insidiuos > than bog standard near feild EMFS, I feel that many modern applainces such > as > LCD vdus and televisons, digital set-top boxes etc give off chaotic RF > which > by the law of averges will hit the spot for most ESSERS in a matte of > moments of exposure. > > We are like apprentices messing with the Scourcerors magic on this one, > who > knows what we are doing ! > > Paul UK > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The only meter I have found valid for RF measurement is one of the
'Gigahertz solutions' high-frequency meters. These cost about $500 and will measure the cell phone mast radiation pretty accurately, to give you a decent feel for how much high-freqency RF is around you. Make sure there are no wireless lan's running around it as it will also measure those, as well as certain land phones which have bases which emit a 2.4 ghtz or 5.8ghtz constant RF - some do and some don't. As to the lower frequency radio waves which I am most sensitive to, there is no way to accurately measure them, and you'll waste lots of money and time trying to. I found that out from Charles Keene at : _http://www.emfservihttp://w_ (http://www.emfservices.com/) Thanks for the advice - Paul UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I was just wondering which one. My most sensitive meter doesn't give
exact numbers. And with the spectrum analyzer, I get best results if I know the frequency. Not that I need another meter, but was wondering. Phases. Alternating current enters by 2 hot lines and a neutral. One hot phase plus neutral equals 120V AC. Two hot phases equals 230V AC. Visually, it is a sine wave, and the two lines are out of "phase" with each other. Usually noise on one phase doesn't affect the other phase, as the transformer kinda filters it, mostly. So, what you're measuring, sounds like the wires and metal venting is reflecting or picking up frequencies nearby. Perhaps a mast or tower is nearby? Can the metal venting be Grounded? Stewart sandimaurer wrote: > I am measuring with a RF field strength meter in uW/cm 2 > I am holding the meter to the light switch or plug. circuit one and > two are near each other (bedrooms) What does same phase mean? > |
I am not sure of the name.. maybe alpha something. there was no name
on the meter.Less EMF sells it for $320. > I was just wondering which one. > So, what you're measuring, sounds like the wires and metal venting is > reflecting or picking up frequencies nearby. Perhaps a mast or tower is > nearby? less than a mile away, but the readings outside are .3 > Can the metal venting be Grounded? I will look into that!! Thanks. Sandi > |
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