testing question

I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand strong & not get an MRI.  I would fry from it.

Are there alternative tests for MS?


Kathy




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

One therapist told me:

Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body, so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least opened for 0.8 centimeter,

They can check that with a Doppler/sound test...

The test is supposed to be harmless, although that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100 times safer than MRI,

I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS, one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems at the V. Jugularis...

gr,
Stephen.






--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

Hi, Stephen,
 
I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s).  After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I did not have actual MS.  I did show abnormalties on brain scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body), that it was not MS.  I also have the problem with the V. Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes.  (When I have it, however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially migraine-type episodes.)
 
I mention all of this because it appears *to me* (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V. Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux.  And I assume this is why it "comes and goes" for me.  If this is true, it could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not necessarily that we all have MS.  It is already known, I believe, that MS is an ion channel disease.  (I may be wrong about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for that.)  If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and, likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the same exact disease. 
 
The reason this is important is, people with MS can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and incapacitation.  One who believes they have MS can easily become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is their fate.  However, consider me: I was nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person.  True, my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.  If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall into a fatalistic attitude on the way.  Your attitude is all you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have all the answers.  YOU have the possibility to find what works for you.  Believe that, and never let go of that.
 
Good luck, Stephen,
Diane

--- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM


 



Hi,

One therapist told me:

Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body, so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least opened for 0.8 centimeter,

They can check that with a Doppler/sound test...

The test is supposed to be harmless, although that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100 times safer than MRI,

I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS, one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems at the V. Jugularis...

gr,
Stephen.

--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with MS.

Many people have resolved these problems with Rife frequency therapy.

I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah Sylver:
*****************************
With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s

immune cells attack the person’s own tissues. Autoimmune

disorders are often due to the presence of tiny Mycoplasma—

so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a cell wall allow

them to invade our cells and assume some of the properties

of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something hiding

in our cells, and attack them.

If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system, the

disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also have a

non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our joints,

the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body attacks foreign

proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues, resulting in a

severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere, the

disease is Lupus erythematosus.

*****************************
I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot of diseases.

The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question


  Hi, Stephen,

  I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s). After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body), that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V. Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it, however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially migraine-type episodes.)

  I mention all of this because it appears *to me* (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V. Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and, likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the same exact disease.

  The reason this is important is, people with MS can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True, my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be. If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.

  Good luck, Stephen,
  Diane

  --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


  From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM






  Hi,

  One therapist told me:

  Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body, so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least opened for 0.8 centimeter,

  They can check that with a Doppler/sound test...

  The test is supposed to be harmless, although that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100 times safer than MRI,

  I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS, one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems at the V. Jugularis...

  gr,
  Stephen.

  --- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
  >
  >
  >
  > I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
  >
  > Are there alternative tests for MS?
  >
  >
  > Kathy
  >
  >
  >
  >
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I agree with Charles. And, it is a little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as the heavy metals are present, the glutathione production/liver detox function is down.

My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.

Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year period (slow detox).
I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.

Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a couple years is a minimum procedure.

This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay dearly, like I have.

Andrew


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Both of you have presented wonderful information. Was just re-familiarizing myself with the chlorella/ cilantro formula.
And yes, on the chemtrails? Believe IT!
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Last week I got the very old age of 73.
Most people think that I am 60 or even in the fifties.

But we use noe many, many years frequency therapy.

The only medication we use is colloidal silver.

For using Rife and Clark frequencies, there arenice small machines, which are not expensive.

Of course, there is the *poor man's Rife*, but I do not use that.
In my opinion, the sounds produces by computer with their sound cards may distort the frequencies.

One may use a small programm, called NCH Tone generator.
With it, one can generate the needed frequencies, square waves for Rife and 300000 ms duration.
The generated waves can be saved as WAV files on your hard disk, and burned to an audio CD.
That way, there is practically no loss. Do not use MP3, which may distort the frequencies.

See: http://educate-yourself.org/nch/

For the needed Rife frequencies
Google for the CAFL or The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)
And there are other sources.

During some years I gave my customers an Audio CD for healing their electrosensitivity, which had good results.
Nowadays I do that with other means.
It is not a *gizmo* which does something against the longitudinal waves, but is mainly developed for reparing the damaged immune system.

A few years ago, my wife was not capable for shopping in a shopping center.
This morning we were there, and whyen we paid our bills, I asked my wife how she considered the DECT phone at the cashier. She sais that she saw it, but did not feel anything.
(Years ago she jumped at the ceiling by a DECT.)

The storm of protests over mobile phone masts has lowered.
Now the boom is smart meters.
But beware, LTE is coming.
And for that the providers are dispersing wireless modems which give two signals.
One for the user of the computer, and one for the passersby on the street.
Apparently, the first intention was to use pico or femto cells at the wall of the houses, but now it seems that the modems readiate so strong, that these cells are not necessary.
(And the holder of the modem pays for the electricity,

One may shield the home on all sides, but electrosensitives can not go onto the street then.
The time of the Third Reich was more human in comparison.

PS. A *Zapper* is a nice instrument, but not a good frequency generator, because it generates only ONE frequency, which is by far not sufficiant.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.be
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Elizabeth thode
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 7:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [eSens] Rife and detox



  Both of you have presented wonderful information. Was just re-familiarizing myself with the chlorella/ cilantro formula.
  And yes, on the chemtrails? Believe IT!
  Lizzie
  > To: [hidden email]
  > From: [hidden email]
  > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:59:48 -0400
  > Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
  >
  > I agree with Charles. And, it is a little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as the heavy metals are present, the glutathione production/liver detox function is down.
  >
  > My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
  >
  > Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year period (slow detox).
  > I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.
  >
  > Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a couple years is a minimum procedure.
  >
  > This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay dearly, like I have.
  >
  > Andrew
  >
  >
  > On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
  >
  > > There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with MS.
  > >
  > > Many people have resolved these problems with Rife frequency therapy.
  > >
  > > I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah Sylver:
  > > *****************************
  > > With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s
  > >
  > > immune cells attack the person’s own tissues. Autoimmune
  > >
  > > disorders are often due to the presence of tiny Mycoplasma—
  > >
  > > so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a cell wall allow
  > >
  > > them to invade our cells and assume some of the properties
  > >
  > > of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something hiding
  > >
  > > in our cells, and attack them.
  > >
  > > If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system, the
  > >
  > > disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also have a
  > >
  > > non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our joints,
  > >
  > > the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body attacks foreign
  > >
  > > proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues, resulting in a
  > >
  > > severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere, the
  > >
  > > disease is Lupus erythematosus.
  > >
  > > *****************************
  > > I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot of diseases.
  > >
  > > The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.
  > >
  > > Greetings,
  > > Charles Claessens
  > > member Verband Baubiologie
  > > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > > www.milieuziektes.be
  > > www.hetbitje.nl
  > > checked by Norton
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  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Evie
  > > To: [hidden email]
  > > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  > >
  > >
  > > Hi, Stephen,
  > >
  > > I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s). After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body), that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V. Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it, however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially migraine-type episodes.)
  > >
  > > I mention all of this because it appears *to me* (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V. Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and, likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the same exact disease.
  > >
  > > The reason this is important is, people with MS can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True, my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be. If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
  > >
  > > Good luck, Stephen,
  > > Diane
  > >
  > > --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  > > Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  > > To: [hidden email]
  > > Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > One therapist told me:
  > >
  > > Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body, so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least opened for 0.8 centimeter,
  > >
  > > They can check that with a Doppler/sound test...
  > >
  > > The test is supposed to be harmless, although that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100 times safer than MRI,
  > >
  > > I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS, one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems at the V. Jugularis...
  > >
  > > gr,
  > > Stephen.
  > >
  > > --- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
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  > >>
  > >>
  > >> I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
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Hi, Andrew and Charles,

I basically agree with both of you, however, I would like to point out one thing, lest others here think mycoplasms are the only problem to consider in MS or ES.  One doesn't *require* mycoplasm infection to get either MS or ES.  Tight junctions (ion channelopathy) are the gatekeepers of the cells.  With damaged tight junctions you do not need a membrane-less pathogen to accomplish any of the immune dysfunctions which follow.  Your damaged tight junctions allow the pathogens access whether they are membrane-less (lack a cell wall) or not.  TJ damage also allows mercury and toxins free reign of ones body.  But, you are both, nevertheless, correct.  If one uses the correct treatment methods for the correct problem area, one can accomplish healing of any of these issues.  The real problem lies in finding the correct treatment methods and correct issue(s) to treat, which can entail a lifetime of searching (during which one better have a strong positive
 attitude, or they will be toast).  :)

Thanks for the info, Andrew.  Sounds like a good protocol for mycoplasms.  Is this a protocol you, yourself, are using?  Let us know your progress, please.  Thanks.

Diane



--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Charles,

Thanks for all the info on Rife.  I did not see much with it from my past trial, but now you mention small machines which you can get to do it.  What are the names of these machines, if you know them easily?  I think I was getting distortion of frequencies when I tried this.  [Mainly, since tho, I have chosen to strengthen my immune system via pH, supplementation, liver healing....  So this then has enabled my immune system to attack and kill invaders on its own.  (Not that I still do not have invaders; they come in constantly due to many of my tjs being dysfunctional.)]

Can you play the CD you mention on a regular CD player or do you have to use a computer?  I own a Walkman and a regular CD player.  Would these distort the frequencies on the CD?  

I agree that it makes much more sense to treat the body than it does to look for shielding (tho I still do both).  Otherwise, we will sooner or later have to be locked away in underground caves to survive.  (And actually that wouldn't meet our needs either.)  

Thanks again, Charles,
Diane

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

All audio CD's can be played on any regular CD player, even in the car radio CD player.
Of course they can be played on a computer also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Evie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox


  Hi, Charles,

  Thanks for all the info on Rife.  I did not see much with it from my past trial, but now you mention small machines which you can get to do it.  What are the names of these machines, if you know them easily?  I think I was getting distortion of frequencies when I tried this.  [Mainly, since tho, I have chosen to strengthen my immune system via pH, supplementation, liver healing....  So this then has enabled my immune system to attack and kill invaders on its own.  (Not that I still do not have invaders; they come in constantly due to many of my tjs being dysfunctional.)]

  Can you play the CD you mention on a regular CD player or do you have to use a computer?  I own a Walkman and a regular CD player.  Would these distort the frequencies on the CD?  

  I agree that it makes much more sense to treat the body than it does to look for shielding (tho I still do both).  Otherwise, we will sooner or later have to be locked away in underground caves to survive.  (And actually that wouldn't meet our needs either.)  

  Thanks again, Charles,
  Diane

  --- On Sat, 7/2/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

  > From: charles <[hidden email]>
  > Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
  > To: [hidden email]
  > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 1:45 PM
  > Last week I got the very old age of
  > 73.
  > Most people think that I am 60 or even in the fifties.
  >
  > But we use noe many, many years frequency therapy.
  >
  > The only medication we use is colloidal silver.
  >
  > For using Rife and Clark frequencies, there arenice small
  > machines, which are not expensive.
  >
  > Of course, there is the *poor man's Rife*, but I do not use
  > that.
  > In my opinion, the sounds produces by computer with their
  > sound cards may distort the frequencies.
  >
  > One may use a small programm, called NCH Tone generator.
  > With it, one can generate the needed frequencies, square
  > waves for Rife and 300000 ms duration.
  > The generated waves can be saved as WAV files on your hard
  > disk, and burned to an audio CD.
  > That way, there is practically no loss. Do not use MP3,
  > which may distort the frequencies.
  >
  > See: http://educate-yourself.org/nch/
  >
  > For the needed Rife frequencies
  > Google for the CAFL or The Consolidated Annotated Frequency
  > List (CAFL)
  > And there are other sources.
  >
  > During some years I gave my customers an Audio CD for
  > healing their electrosensitivity, which had good results.
  > Nowadays I do that with other means.
  > It is not a *gizmo* which does something against the
  > longitudinal waves, but is mainly developed for reparing the
  > damaged immune system.
  >
  > A few years ago, my wife was not capable for shopping in a
  > shopping center.
  > This morning we were there, and whyen we paid our bills, I
  > asked my wife how she considered the DECT phone at the
  > cashier. She sais that she saw it, but did not feel
  > anything.
  > (Years ago she jumped at the ceiling by a DECT.)
  >
  > The storm of protests over mobile phone masts has lowered.
  > Now the boom is smart meters.
  > But beware, LTE is coming.
  > And for that the providers are dispersing wireless modems
  > which give two signals.
  > One for the user of the computer, and one for the passersby
  > on the street.
  > Apparently, the first intention was to use pico or femto
  > cells at the wall of the houses, but now it seems that the
  > modems readiate so strong, that these cells are not
  > necessary.
  > (And the holder of the modem pays for the electricity,
  >
  > One may shield the home on all sides, but electrosensitives
  > can not go onto the street then.
  > The time of the Third Reich was more human in comparison.
  >
  > PS. A *Zapper* is a nice instrument, but not a good
  > frequency generator, because it generates only ONE
  > frequency, which is by far not sufficiant.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Elizabeth thode
  > To: [hidden email]
  >
  > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 7:03 PM
  > Subject: RE: [eSens] Rife and detox
  >
  >
  >
  > Both of you have presented wonderful information.
  > Was just re-familiarizing myself with the chlorella/
  > cilantro formula.
  > And yes, on the chemtrails? Believe IT!
  > Lizzie
  > > To: [hidden email]
  > > From: [hidden email]
  > > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:59:48 -0400
  > > Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
  > >
  > > I agree with Charles. And, it is a little of
  > the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred Mueller, one of
  > the US's top homeopaths teaches that underlying the
  > mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the mercury
  > contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria live off of
  > the mercury and other heavy metals which also destroy the
  > body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as the heavy
  > metals are present, the glutathione production/liver detox
  > function is down.
  > >
  > > My experience has shown when an aggressive
  > detox regime is attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs
  > migrate with the metals and infections spread throughout the
  > body, where ever the metals get spread (since most detox
  > chelators are imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
  > >
  > > Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form
  > with Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more
  > year period (slow detox).
  > > I think you must also kill off the bugs as you
  > chelate.
  > >
  > > Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife
  > Frequencies, etc. in conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella
  > 5 times a week for a couple years is a minimum procedure.
  > >
  > > This is complex and no one should embark upon
  > an aggressive detox regime without reading a lot on it or
  > you will pay dearly, like I have.
  > >
  > > Andrew
  > >
  > >
  > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
  > >
  > > > There is no reason ahving a fatalistic
  > attitude with MS.
  > > >
  > > > Many people have resolved these problems
  > with Rife frequency therapy.
  > > >
  > > > I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook*
  > by nenah Sylver:
  > > > *****************************
  > > > With all autoimmune disorders, the
  > body’s
  > > >
  > > > immune cells attack the person’s own
  > tissues. Autoimmune
  > > >
  > > > disorders are often due to the presence of
  > tiny Mycoplasma—
  > > >
  > > > so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose
  > lack of a cell wall allow
  > > >
  > > > them to invade our cells and assume some
  > of the properties
  > > >
  > > > of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense
  > something hiding
  > > >
  > > > in our cells, and attack them.
  > > >
  > > > If the Mycoplasma invade the central
  > nervous system, the
  > > >
  > > > disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS
  > can also have a
  > > >
  > > > non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma
  > invade our joints,
  > > >
  > > > the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If
  > the body attacks foreign
  > > >
  > > > proteins that it mistakes for its own
  > tissues, resulting in a
  > > >
  > > > severe inflammatory response that could be
  > anywhere, the
  > > >
  > > > disease is Lupus erythematosus.
  > > >
  > > > *****************************
  > > > I have no proof, but I believe that the
  > chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground
  > for a lot of diseases.
  > > >
  > > > The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency
  > therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.
  > > >
  > > > Greetings,
  > > > Charles Claessens
  > > > member Verband Baubiologie
  > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > > > www.milieuziektes.be
  > > > www.hetbitje.nl
  > > > checked by Norton
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: Evie
  > > > To: [hidden email]
  >
  > > > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Hi, Stephen,
  > > >
  > > > I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in
  > 1980s). After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist
  > concluded I did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties
  > on brain scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of
  > symptoms I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of
  > my body), that it was not MS. I also have the problem with
  > the V. Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I
  > have it, however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/
  > seizures; I recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after
  > many years of it coming and going, and I do notice this is
  > when I am at higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and
  > especially migraine-type episodes.)
  > > >
  > > > I mention all of this because it appears
  > *to me* (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of
  > the V. Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I
  > assume this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is
  > true, it could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not
  > necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I
  > believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong
  > about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has
  > been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and
  > others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for
  > that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac
  > disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and,
  > likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the
  > same exact disease.
  > > >
  > > > The reason this is important is, people
  > with MS can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and
  > incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily
  > become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is
  > their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely
  > bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life
  > for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike
  > and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True,
  > my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.
  > If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall
  > into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all
  > you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have
  > all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works
  > for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
  > > >
  > > > Good luck, Stephen,
  > > > Diane
  > > >
  > > > --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere
  > <[hidden email]>
  > wrote:
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  > > > To: [hidden email]
  > > > Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Hi,
  > > >
  > > > One therapist told me:
  > > >
  > > > Some Italian internist Dr. found out by
  > accident (by looking into the scans of his wife and later
  > comparing these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem
  > to have a problem with the blood flow between head and rest
  > of body, so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be
  > at least opened for 0.8 centimeter,
  > > >
  > > > They can check that with a Doppler/sound
  > test...
  > > >
  > > > The test is supposed to be harmless,
  > although that may not be completely true, it's probably like
  > 100 times safer than MRI,
  > > >
  > > > I'm not saying that this test is proof for
  > MS, one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful
  > to have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but
  > he said so far they're still investigating link MS and
  > problems at the V. Jugularis...
  > > >
  > > > gr,
  > > > Stephen.
  > > >
  > > > --- In [hidden email],
  > KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >> I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I
  > will stand strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
  >
  > > >>
  > > >> Are there alternative tests for MS?
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >> Kathy
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >>
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  > have been removed]
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  > > >
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I have tried many detox regimes and am currently off and on the Cilantro/Chorella supplements. I am going very slow with this as my liver is way over taxed so do Oxicell-SE Glutathione and SOD cream, Mercola Whey (great for Glutathione) in my goat milk shakes, and ESSIAC tea, (about 15 other things on and off for liver support).

I too have been recently diagnosed with Celiac.
Had a DNA test recently and it showed Wheat and Gluten IgA (auto-immune, anti-bodies).

So with permeability issues, toxins floating around is bad, bad, bad.
I am all for going slow, slow, slow in recovery regimens.

Thanks for asking, Diane.
Andrew

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I am still very positive about a good ionic foot spa.
It is a nice mechanical way of detox.
Every other day, in two weeks, and then once a month.

It also takes out good stuff, so compensate with a good multivitamin en Calcium.
 
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  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox


  I have tried many detox regimes and am currently off and on the Cilantro/Chorella supplements. I am going very slow with this as my liver is way over taxed so do Oxicell-SE Glutathione and SOD cream, Mercola Whey (great for Glutathione) in my goat milk shakes, and ESSIAC tea, (about 15 other things on and off for liver support).

  I too have been recently diagnosed with Celiac.
  Had a DNA test recently and it showed Wheat and Gluten IgA (auto-immune, anti-bodies).

  So with permeability issues, toxins floating around is bad, bad, bad.
  I am all for going slow, slow, slow in recovery regimens.

  Thanks for asking, Diane.
  Andrew

  On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Evie wrote:

  > Hi, Andrew and Charles,
  >
  > I basically agree with both of you, however, I would like to point out one thing, lest others here think mycoplasms are the only problem to consider in MS or ES.  One doesn't *require* mycoplasm infection to get either MS or ES.  Tight junctions (ion channelopathy) are the gatekeepers of the cells.  With damaged tight junctions you do not need a membrane-less pathogen to accomplish any of the immune dysfunctions which follow.  Your damaged tight junctions allow the pathogens access whether they are membrane-less (lack a cell wall) or not.  TJ damage also allows mercury and toxins free reign of ones body.  But, you are both, nevertheless, correct.  If one uses the correct treatment methods for the correct problem area, one can accomplish healing of any of these issues.  The real problem lies in finding the correct treatment methods and correct issue(s) to treat, which can entail a lifetime of searching (during which one better have a strong positive
  > attitude, or they will be toast).  :)
  >
  > Thanks for the info, Andrew.  Sounds like a good protocol for mycoplasms.  Is this a protocol you, yourself, are using?  Let us know your progress, please.  Thanks.
  >
  > Diane
  >
  >
  >
  > --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
  >
  >> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
  >> Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
  >> To: [hidden email]
  >> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:59 AM
  >> I agree with Charles. And, it is a
  >> little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred
  >> Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that
  >> underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the
  >> mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria
  >> live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also
  >> destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as
  >> the heavy metals are present, the glutathione
  >> production/liver detox function is down.
  >>
  >> My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is
  >> attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the
  >> metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever
  >> the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are
  >> imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
  >>
  >> Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with
  >> Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year
  >> period (slow detox).
  >> I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.
  >>
  >> Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in
  >> conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a
  >> couple years is a minimum procedure.
  >>
  >> This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive
  >> detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay
  >> dearly, like I have.
  >>
  >> Andrew
  >>
  >>
  >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
  >>
  >>> There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with
  >> MS.
  >>>
  >>> Many people have resolved these problems with Rife
  >> frequency therapy.
  >>>
  >>> I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah
  >> Sylver:
  >>> *****************************
  >>> With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s
  >>>
  >>> immune cells attack the person’s own tissues.
  >> Autoimmune
  >>>
  >>> disorders are often due to the presence of tiny
  >> Mycoplasma—
  >>>
  >>> so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a
  >> cell wall allow
  >>>
  >>> them to invade our cells and assume some of the
  >> properties
  >>>
  >>> of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something
  >> hiding
  >>>
  >>> in our cells, and attack them.
  >>>
  >>> If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also
  >> have a
  >>>
  >>> non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our
  >> joints,
  >>>
  >>> the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body
  >> attacks foreign
  >>>
  >>> proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues,
  >> resulting in a
  >>>
  >>> severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Lupus erythematosus.
  >>>
  >>> *****************************
  >>> I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails
  >> contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot
  >> of diseases.
  >>>
  >>> The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is,
  >> that it consumes a lot of time.
  >>>
  >>> Greetings,
  >>> Charles Claessens
  >>> member Verband Baubiologie
  >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
  >>> www.milieuziektes.be
  >>> www.hetbitje.nl
  >>> checked by Norton
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>   From: Evie
  >>>   To: [hidden email]
  >>
  >>>   Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  >>>   Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   Hi, Stephen,
  >>>
  >>>   I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s).
  >> After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I
  >> did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain
  >> scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms
  >> I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body),
  >> that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V.
  >> Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it,
  >> however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I
  >> recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of
  >> it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at
  >> higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially
  >> migraine-type episodes.)
  >>>
  >>>   I mention all of this because it appears *to me*
  >> (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V.
  >> Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume
  >> this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it
  >> could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not
  >> necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I
  >> believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong
  >> about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has
  >> been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and
  >> others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for
  >> that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac
  >> disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and,
  >> likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the
  >> same exact disease.
  >>>
  >>>   The reason this is important is, people with MS
  >> can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and
  >> incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily
  >> become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is
  >> their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely
  >> bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life
  >> for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike
  >> and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True,
  >> my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.
  >> If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall
  >> into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all
  >> you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have
  >> all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works
  >> for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
  >>>
  >>>   Good luck, Stephen,
  >>>   Diane
  >>>
  >>>   --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >>>   Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>>   To: [hidden email]
  >>>   Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   Hi,
  >>>
  >>>   One therapist told me:
  >>>
  >>>   Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident
  >> (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing
  >> these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a
  >> problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body,
  >> so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least
  >> opened for 0.8 centimeter,
  >>>
  >>>   They can check that with a Doppler/sound
  >> test...
  >>>
  >>>   The test is supposed to be harmless, although
  >> that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100
  >> times safer than MRI,
  >>>
  >>>   I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS,
  >> one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to
  >> have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he
  >> said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems
  >> at the V. Jugularis...
  >>>
  >>>   gr,
  >>>   Stephen.
  >>>
  >>>   --- In [hidden email],
  >> KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand
  >> strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
  >>>>
  >>>> Are there alternative tests for MS?
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Kathy
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
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Hi, Andrew,

Sorry to hear you, too, have celiac disease.  Yes, going slow is the best option.  Our livers and kidneys cannot handle fast, anyway, unfortunately.  

Do you also watch your pH?  That is an area which I thought helped me a great deal, but it might be too soon for you to go there.  (3 years after I was dxed with CD and had gone gf, I had long since plateau-ed (was no longer recovering), and was still greatly non-gf food intolerant and ill (I could tolerate only 5 foods).  After 2 years of no further help from docs and hospital dietitions [my ass of a doctor actually told me perhaps I should "move on" and accept this was all the healing I could get!], I finally ferreted out a great nutritionist who I was able to consult only by phone.  He helped me over all the pitfalls with various supps, bug killing, and alkalizing.  You might have to go slowly on alkalizing, too, tho.  The first month, I had age spots all over my left arm from free-radical damage.  If you are very sensitive, you can feel alot worse alkalizing, but I still think it is necessary if ones pH is at all off.  Alkalizing also kills off alot
 of invaders, but mainly it deals with all the acid garbage we have been putting up with in our systems.  

One thing that a gf diet will often reveal is gut flora problems and the food intolerances will multiply, then, until you get those under control.  PH is a part of this treatment.  No docs told me any of this when I was a celiac newbie, and since I was hanging on the very end of the bell-shaped curve, very few celiacs I knew, knew any of this.  Hopefully you will not run into any of these set-backs, but if you do, know you can always ask me questions.  I don't know it all, but I likely know alot of the end of the bell-shaped curve stuff.  ;)

Bless you, Andrew.  I hope you see great recovery soon.  How long have you been gf?  Do you know that you also have to avoid glutens on your skin and (possibly) sometimes in the air?  Most celiacs don't have to do that, but I am quite sure any of us with ES and bbb problems do--we likely have tj membrane problems over much of our bodies.  I have also COPD and lung problems which appear linked to permeability issues, so I cannot breathe glutens for long before having problems, usually.  This comes and goes (according to how much crap I have had to breathe recently which bothered me--smoke, perticides, chemicals....); but still be careful of it and aware that it is a possibility to react to glutens at a bakery, someone else's house, wheat in a field....  You will likely not have this, tho, if you do not have lung issues.

Diane

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

Charles & all,

I'm so glad you shared on Rife machines. I started w a Rife practioner in the spring. I made amazing gains. He said I had hypersensitivity. no other dx. yet. Went twice a week. Haven't gone in a month & feel terrible. I need to go back. My electro senstity has increased, from a new cell tower. 

I''d like info on the  ES CD. Diane, I''m glad you've improved so much. I"d like to talk.

Kathy


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:22 AM















 
 



 


   
     
     
      There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with MS.



Many people have resolved these problems with Rife frequency therapy.



I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah Sylver:

*****************************

With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s



immune cells attack the person’s own tissues. Autoimmune



disorders are often due to the presence of tiny Mycoplasma—



so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a cell wall allow



them to invade our cells and assume some of the properties



of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something hiding



in our cells, and attack them.



If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system, the



disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also have a



non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our joints,



the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body attacks foreign



proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues, resulting in a



severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere, the



disease is Lupus erythematosus.



*****************************

I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot of diseases.



The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton



 





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All,

To those who have not experienced a Rife.

I forgot to share the story, my  practitioner shared.


 He had a patient w lung cancer. Mainstream attempted surgery, opened her & told her they could not do anything.

She went to him & bought her own Rife. She healed.

Kathy

-

 



 










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Charles, So you don't do an electrical foot bath. You said mechanical. Loni

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:46 AM


I am still very positive about a good ionic foot spa.
It is a nice mechanical way of detox.
Every other day, in two weeks, and then once a month.

It also takes out good stuff, so compensate with a good multivitamin en Calcium.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andrew McAfee
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox


  I have tried many detox regimes and am currently off and on the Cilantro/Chorella supplements. I am going very slow with this as my liver is way over taxed so do Oxicell-SE Glutathione and SOD cream, Mercola Whey (great for Glutathione) in my goat milk shakes, and ESSIAC tea, (about 15 other things on and off for liver support).

  I too have been recently diagnosed with Celiac.
  Had a DNA test recently and it showed Wheat and Gluten IgA (auto-immune, anti-bodies).

  So with permeability issues, toxins floating around is bad, bad, bad.
  I am all for going slow, slow, slow in recovery regimens.

  Thanks for asking, Diane.
  Andrew

  On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Evie wrote:

  > Hi, Andrew and Charles,
  >
  > I basically agree with both of you, however, I would like to point out one thing, lest others here think mycoplasms are the only problem to consider in MS or ES.  One doesn't *require* mycoplasm infection to get either MS or ES.  Tight junctions (ion channelopathy) are the gatekeepers of the cells.  With damaged tight junctions you do not need a membrane-less pathogen to accomplish any of the immune dysfunctions which follow.  Your damaged tight junctions allow the pathogens access whether they are membrane-less (lack a cell wall) or not.  TJ damage also allows mercury and toxins free reign of ones body.  But, you are both, nevertheless, correct.  If one uses the correct treatment methods for the correct problem area, one can accomplish healing of any of these issues.  The real problem lies in finding the correct treatment methods and correct issue(s) to treat, which can entail a lifetime of searching (during which one better have a strong
 positive
  > attitude, or they will be toast).  :)
  >
  > Thanks for the info, Andrew.  Sounds like a good protocol for mycoplasms.  Is this a protocol you, yourself, are using?  Let us know your progress, please.  Thanks.
  >
  > Diane
  >
  >
  >
  > --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
  >
  >> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
  >> Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
  >> To: [hidden email]
  >> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:59 AM
  >> I agree with Charles. And, it is a
  >> little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred
  >> Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that
  >> underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the
  >> mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria
  >> live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also
  >> destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as
  >> the heavy metals are present, the glutathione
  >> production/liver detox function is down.
  >>
  >> My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is
  >> attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the
  >> metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever
  >> the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are
  >> imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
  >>
  >> Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with
  >> Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year
  >> period (slow detox).
  >> I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.
  >>
  >> Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in
  >> conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a
  >> couple years is a minimum procedure.
  >>
  >> This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive
  >> detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay
  >> dearly, like I have.
  >>
  >> Andrew
  >>
  >>
  >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
  >>
  >>> There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with
  >> MS.
  >>>
  >>> Many people have resolved these problems with Rife
  >> frequency therapy.
  >>>
  >>> I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah
  >> Sylver:
  >>> *****************************
  >>> With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s
  >>>
  >>> immune cells attack the person’s own tissues.
  >> Autoimmune
  >>>
  >>> disorders are often due to the presence of tiny
  >> Mycoplasma—
  >>>
  >>> so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a
  >> cell wall allow
  >>>
  >>> them to invade our cells and assume some of the
  >> properties
  >>>
  >>> of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something
  >> hiding
  >>>
  >>> in our cells, and attack them.
  >>>
  >>> If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also
  >> have a
  >>>
  >>> non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our
  >> joints,
  >>>
  >>> the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body
  >> attacks foreign
  >>>
  >>> proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues,
  >> resulting in a
  >>>
  >>> severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Lupus erythematosus.
  >>>
  >>> *****************************
  >>> I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails
  >> contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot
  >> of diseases.
  >>>
  >>> The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is,
  >> that it consumes a lot of time.
  >>>
  >>> Greetings,
  >>> Charles Claessens
  >>> member Verband Baubiologie
  >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
  >>> www.milieuziektes.be
  >>> www.hetbitje.nl
  >>> checked by Norton
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>   From: Evie
  >>>   To: [hidden email]
  >>
  >>>   Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  >>>   Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   Hi, Stephen,
  >>>
  >>>   I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s).
  >> After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I
  >> did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain
  >> scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms
  >> I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body),
  >> that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V.
  >> Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it,
  >> however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I
  >> recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of
  >> it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at
  >> higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially
  >> migraine-type episodes.)
  >>>
  >>>   I mention all of this because it appears *to me*
  >> (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V.
  >> Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume
  >> this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it
  >> could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not
  >> necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I
  >> believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong
  >> about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has
  >> been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and
  >> others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for
  >> that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac
  >> disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and,
  >> likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the
  >> same exact disease.
  >>>
  >>>   The reason this is important is, people with MS
  >> can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and
  >> incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily
  >> become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is
  >> their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely
  >> bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life
  >> for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike
  >> and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True,
  >> my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.
  >> If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall
  >> into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all
  >> you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have
  >> all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works
  >> for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
  >>>
  >>>   Good luck, Stephen,
  >>>   Diane
  >>>
  >>>   --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >>>   Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>>   To: [hidden email]
  >>>   Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   Hi,
  >>>
  >>>   One therapist told me:
  >>>
  >>>   Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident
  >> (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing
  >> these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a
  >> problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body,
  >> so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least
  >> opened for 0.8 centimeter,
  >>>
  >>>   They can check that with a Doppler/sound
  >> test...
  >>>
  >>>   The test is supposed to be harmless, although
  >> that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100
  >> times safer than MRI,
  >>>
  >>>   I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS,
  >> one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to
  >> have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he
  >> said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems
  >> at the V. Jugularis...
  >>>
  >>>   gr,
  >>>   Stephen.
  >>>
  >>>   --- In [hidden email],
  >> KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand
  >> strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
  >>>>
  >>>> Are there alternative tests for MS?
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Kathy
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
  >> removed]
  >>>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>   [Non-text portions of this message have been
  >> removed]
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
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  >>>
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  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
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  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
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  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> ------------------------------------
  >>
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  >>
  >>
  >>     [hidden email]
  >>
  >>
  >>
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Loni, you misunderstood.

Contrary to pills, etc. I mean that an ionic foot spa is a nice mechanical way of detox.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Loni
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox


  Charles, So you don't do an electrical foot bath. You said mechanical. Loni

  --- On Sat, 7/2/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


  From: charles <[hidden email]>
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:46 AM


  I am still very positive about a good ionic foot spa.
  It is a nice mechanical way of detox.
  Every other day, in two weeks, and then once a month.

  It also takes out good stuff, so compensate with a good multivitamin en Calcium.

  Greetings,
  Charles Claessens
  member Verband Baubiologie
  www.milieuziektes.nl
  www.milieuziektes.be
  www.hetbitje.nl
  checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andrew McAfee
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox


  I have tried many detox regimes and am currently off and on the Cilantro/Chorella supplements. I am going very slow with this as my liver is way over taxed so do Oxicell-SE Glutathione and SOD cream, Mercola Whey (great for Glutathione) in my goat milk shakes, and ESSIAC tea, (about 15 other things on and off for liver support).

  I too have been recently diagnosed with Celiac.
  Had a DNA test recently and it showed Wheat and Gluten IgA (auto-immune, anti-bodies).

  So with permeability issues, toxins floating around is bad, bad, bad.
  I am all for going slow, slow, slow in recovery regimens.

  Thanks for asking, Diane.
  Andrew

  On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Evie wrote:

  > Hi, Andrew and Charles,
  >
  > I basically agree with both of you, however, I would like to point out one thing, lest others here think mycoplasms are the only problem to consider in MS or ES. One doesn't *require* mycoplasm infection to get either MS or ES. Tight junctions (ion channelopathy) are the gatekeepers of the cells. With damaged tight junctions you do not need a membrane-less pathogen to accomplish any of the immune dysfunctions which follow. Your damaged tight junctions allow the pathogens access whether they are membrane-less (lack a cell wall) or not. TJ damage also allows mercury and toxins free reign of ones body. But, you are both, nevertheless, correct. If one uses the correct treatment methods for the correct problem area, one can accomplish healing of any of these issues. The real problem lies in finding the correct treatment methods and correct issue(s) to treat, which can entail a lifetime of searching (during which one better have a strong
   positive
  > attitude, or they will be toast). :)
  >
  > Thanks for the info, Andrew. Sounds like a good protocol for mycoplasms. Is this a protocol you, yourself, are using? Let us know your progress, please. Thanks.
  >
  > Diane
  >
  >
  >
  > --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
  >
  >> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
  >> Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
  >> To: [hidden email]
  >> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:59 AM
  >> I agree with Charles. And, it is a
  >> little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred
  >> Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that
  >> underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the
  >> mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria
  >> live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also
  >> destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as
  >> the heavy metals are present, the glutathione
  >> production/liver detox function is down.
  >>
  >> My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is
  >> attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the
  >> metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever
  >> the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are
  >> imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
  >>
  >> Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with
  >> Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year
  >> period (slow detox).
  >> I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.
  >>
  >> Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in
  >> conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a
  >> couple years is a minimum procedure.
  >>
  >> This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive
  >> detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay
  >> dearly, like I have.
  >>
  >> Andrew
  >>
  >>
  >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
  >>
  >>> There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with
  >> MS.
  >>>
  >>> Many people have resolved these problems with Rife
  >> frequency therapy.
  >>>
  >>> I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah
  >> Sylver:
  >>> *****************************
  >>> With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s
  >>>
  >>> immune cells attack the person’s own tissues.
  >> Autoimmune
  >>>
  >>> disorders are often due to the presence of tiny
  >> Mycoplasma—
  >>>
  >>> so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a
  >> cell wall allow
  >>>
  >>> them to invade our cells and assume some of the
  >> properties
  >>>
  >>> of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something
  >> hiding
  >>>
  >>> in our cells, and attack them.
  >>>
  >>> If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also
  >> have a
  >>>
  >>> non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our
  >> joints,
  >>>
  >>> the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body
  >> attacks foreign
  >>>
  >>> proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues,
  >> resulting in a
  >>>
  >>> severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere,
  >> the
  >>>
  >>> disease is Lupus erythematosus.
  >>>
  >>> *****************************
  >>> I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails
  >> contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot
  >> of diseases.
  >>>
  >>> The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is,
  >> that it consumes a lot of time.
  >>>
  >>> Greetings,
  >>> Charles Claessens
  >>> member Verband Baubiologie
  >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
  >>> www.milieuziektes.be
  >>> www.hetbitje.nl
  >>> checked by Norton
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>> From: Evie
  >>> To: [hidden email]
  >>
  >>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
  >>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Hi, Stephen,
  >>>
  >>> I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s).
  >> After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I
  >> did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain
  >> scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms
  >> I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body),
  >> that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V.
  >> Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it,
  >> however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I
  >> recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of
  >> it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at
  >> higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially
  >> migraine-type episodes.)
  >>>
  >>> I mention all of this because it appears *to me*
  >> (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V.
  >> Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume
  >> this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it
  >> could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not
  >> necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I
  >> believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong
  >> about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has
  >> been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and
  >> others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for
  >> that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac
  >> disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and,
  >> likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the
  >> same exact disease.
  >>>
  >>> The reason this is important is, people with MS
  >> can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and
  >> incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily
  >> become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is
  >> their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely
  >> bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life
  >> for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike
  >> and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True,
  >> my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.
  >> If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall
  >> into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all
  >> you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have
  >> all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works
  >> for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
  >>>
  >>> Good luck, Stephen,
  >>> Diane
  >>>
  >>> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
  >>> Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
  >>> To: [hidden email]
  >>> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Hi,
  >>>
  >>> One therapist told me:
  >>>
  >>> Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident
  >> (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing
  >> these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a
  >> problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body,
  >> so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least
  >> opened for 0.8 centimeter,
  >>>
  >>> They can check that with a Doppler/sound
  >> test...
  >>>
  >>> The test is supposed to be harmless, although
  >> that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100
  >> times safer than MRI,
  >>>
  >>> I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS,
  >> one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to
  >> have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he
  >> said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems
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Hello Kathy,

if you look at the internet, you may find quite a lot of Rife machines.
See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina161.html

A very nice handsome machine, and not so expensive is the F-Scan Compact.
It has 350 standard preprogrammed programs, and 10 memory banks for each 50 frequencies.
It is very effective with two handelectrodes.
I can recommend it.

In the USA it is available by dr. Loyd.
See: http://www.royalrife.com

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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  From: KathyB
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question


  All,

  To those who have not experienced a Rife.

  I forgot to share the story, my practitioner shared.


  He had a patient w lung cancer. Mainstream attempted surgery, opened her & told her they could not do anything.

  She went to him & bought her own Rife. She healed.

  Kathy

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Hi, Kathy,
 
I don't have an "ES CD", Sweetie.  I was writing about similarities in ES, CD (celiac disease), and MS.  Sorry to have confused you by my abbreviations.  ;)
 
If you want to discuss more on this subject, please contact me privately, thanks.
 
Diane

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From: KathyB <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 8:37 PM


 




Charles & all,

I'm so glad you shared on Rife machines. I started w a Rife practioner in the spring. I made amazing gains. He said I had hypersensitivity. no other dx. yet. Went twice a week. Haven't gone in a month & feel terrible. I need to go back. My electro senstity has increased, from a new cell tower. 

I''d like info on the  ES CD. Diane, I''m glad you've improved so much. I"d like to talk.

Kathy

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:22 AM

 

There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with MS.

Many people have resolved these problems with Rife frequency therapy.

I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah Sylver:

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With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s

immune cells attack the person’s own tissues. Autoimmune

disorders are often due to the presence of tiny Mycoplasma—

so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a cell wall allow

them to invade our cells and assume some of the properties

of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something hiding

in our cells, and attack them.

If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system, the

disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also have a

non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our joints,

the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body attacks foreign

proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues, resulting in a

severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere, the

disease is Lupus erythematosus.

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I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot of diseases.

The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.

Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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I did once send an *ES-CD* to Marc Martin.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question


  Hi, Kathy,

  I don't have an "ES CD", Sweetie. I was writing about similarities in ES, CD (celiac disease), and MS. Sorry to have confused you by my abbreviations. ;)

  If you want to discuss more on this subject, please contact me privately, thanks.

  Diane

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  From: KathyB <[hidden email]>
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 8:37 PM







  Charles & all,

  I'm so glad you shared on Rife machines. I started w a Rife practioner in the spring. I made amazing gains. He said I had hypersensitivity. no other dx. yet. Went twice a week. Haven't gone in a month & feel terrible. I need to go back. My electro senstity has increased, from a new cell tower.

  I''d like info on the ES CD. Diane, I''m glad you've improved so much. I"d like to talk.

  Kathy

  From: charles <[hidden email]>
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:22 AM



  There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with MS.

  Many people have resolved these problems with Rife frequency therapy.

  I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah Sylver:

  *****************************

  With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s

  immune cells attack the person’s own tissues. Autoimmune

  disorders are often due to the presence of tiny Mycoplasma—

  so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a cell wall allow

  them to invade our cells and assume some of the properties

  of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something hiding

  in our cells, and attack them.

  If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system, the

  disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also have a

  non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our joints,

  the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body attacks foreign

  proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues, resulting in a

  severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere, the

  disease is Lupus erythematosus.

  *****************************

  I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot of diseases.

  The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is, that it consumes a lot of time.

  Greetings,

  Charles Claessens

  member Verband Baubiologie

  www.milieuziektes.nl

  www.milieuziektes.be

  www.hetbitje.nl

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