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Vinny,
Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) who are interested in theoretical aspects! Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so I would have been very happy if you could help. Drasko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Drasko:
No, I was not trying to imply that such a meter would/should be able to detect any or all kinds of non-classical Hertzian fields, and rather, I was addressing only the issue of classical Hertzian fields. And, by the way, I forwarded a copy of my original post -- whic included that estimat -- to a physicist friend, and he responded to the effect that he felt that my dollar estimate for such a device was way too low. And, no, I am not an "advocate" of subtle energies, although there are definitely some people who could be classified a such! Rather, I do simply admit that they exist. However, that does not make me any more of an advocate than does the assertion that sunlight exists make someone an advocate for sunlight. I do simply believe (and, in many ways, know) that there exist at least several types of fields and energies which are either undetectable by most modern scientific instrumentation, or are, at best, detectable only marginally and peripherally by such devices. Incidentally, a few physicists in Japan employ the loose (and to me confusing) terms "gravity waves" or "wave energy" to described fields which fall into these categories. If you are interested in such detectors, you may wish to check out some of the works of Dr. Wiliam Tiller over the years, or the writings of Dr. Glen Rein, or perhaps even the somewhat less-reliable (in my estimation) works of the late EE/researcher Gregory Hodowanec. While there are indeed others who have written prolifically, particularly on the web, about so-called "subtle-energy detectors" or "scalar detectors", I personally believe that many of those in the latter-mentioned group engage in lots of hyperbole and grossly-exaggerated speculation, wherein it is extremely difficult to separate fact from fiction. with care, --Vinny At 08:25 AM 9/5/2006, you wrote: >Vinny, >Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am >also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) >who are interested in theoretical aspects! > >Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" >meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? > >As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the >advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see >any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides >"semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! > >Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the >"missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not >enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is >obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help >ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been >able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so I >would have been very happy if you could help. > >Drasko Vinny Pinto [hidden email] phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us |
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While I do not know how it works or its validity, but aura photography
claims to display the subtle auric field around individuals. Here is an example site. Apparently it has been available long enough to be beyond the "cutting edge". http://www.thevioletaura.com/auragallery.htm There is also Kirlian photography that is quite amazing. In one example I saw a Kirlian pisture or a whole leaf. It showed the veins etc. Then a picture of the same leaf with a portion cut off. The cut off portion still came into the Kirlian photo. Then later another Kirlian picture was taken and the cut off portion was fainter than before. (Sorry could not find a link to the photo - only articles about the expirement). Ligure Quoting Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]>: > Vinny, > Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am > also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) > who are interested in theoretical aspects! > > Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" > meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? > > As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the > advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see > any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides > "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! > > Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the > "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not > enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is > obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help > ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been > able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so > I would have been very happy if you could help. > > Drasko > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > |
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While I do notr know the validity or the method aura photography is an
existing technology. Here is an example. http://www.thevioletaura.com/auragallery.htm There is also Kirlian photography. I have seen some amazing pictures showing the field left by a leaf that had a portion of itself cut off. (Sorry couldn't find the pictures on the web.) So it seems that there are already ways to measure subtle fields. I am not well versed in the scientific classification of the fields in the above. So if these are not considered subtle, consider this comment as an interesting diversion. Ligure. Quoting Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]>: > Vinny, > Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am > also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) > who are interested in theoretical aspects! > > Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" > meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? > > As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the > advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see > any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides > "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! > > Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the > "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not > enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is > obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help > ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been > able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so > I would have been very happy if you could help. > > Drasko > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > |
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Sorry for the double post. Email problems. :-)
Ligure Quoting Ligure <[hidden email]>: > While I do not know how it works or its validity, but aura photography > claims to display the subtle auric field around individuals. Here is > an example site. Apparently it has been available long enough to be > beyond the "cutting edge". > http://www.thevioletaura.com/auragallery.htm > > There is also Kirlian photography that is quite amazing. In one > example I saw a Kirlian pisture or a whole leaf. It showed the veins > etc. Then a picture of the same leaf with a portion cut off. The cut > off portion still came into the Kirlian photo. Then later another > Kirlian picture was taken and the cut off portion was fainter than > before. (Sorry could not find a link to the photo - only articles > about the expirement). > > Ligure > > Quoting Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]>: > >> Vinny, >> Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am >> also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) >> who are interested in theoretical aspects! >> >> Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" >> meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? >> >> As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the >> advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see >> any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides >> "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! >> >> Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the >> "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not >> enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is >> obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help >> ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been >> able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so >> I would have been very happy if you could help. >> >> Drasko >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > |
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Hello Ligure,
you may have a look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html There are some explanations about the imaging of auras. I use this RFI system, which I find very good. I measure the frequencies on 40 spots around the body, without disturbing those fields. The computer program does the rest. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ligure" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 21:33 Subject: Re: [eSens] subtle energies > While I do not know how it works or its validity, but aura photography > claims to display the subtle auric field around individuals. Here is > an example site. Apparently it has been available long enough to be > beyond the "cutting edge". > http://www.thevioletaura.com/auragallery.htm > > There is also Kirlian photography that is quite amazing. In one > example I saw a Kirlian pisture or a whole leaf. It showed the veins > etc. Then a picture of the same leaf with a portion cut off. The cut > off portion still came into the Kirlian photo. Then later another > Kirlian picture was taken and the cut off portion was fainter than > before. (Sorry could not find a link to the photo - only articles > about the expirement). > > Ligure > > Quoting Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]>: > >> Vinny, >> Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am >> also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) >> who are interested in theoretical aspects! >> >> Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" >> meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? >> >> As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the >> advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see >> any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides >> "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! >> >> Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the >> "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not >> enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is >> obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help >> ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been >> able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so >> I would have been very happy if you could help. >> >> Drasko >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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Thanks. That is interesting. If only I had an extra $800 laying around. :-)
Ligure charles wrote: > > Hello Ligure, > > you may have a look at: > http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina162. html > <http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html> > > There are some explanations about the imaging of auras. > > I use this RFI system, which I find very good. > I measure the frequencies on 40 spots around the body, without disturbing > those fields. > The computer program does the rest. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes. nl > www.milieuziektes. be > www.hetbitje. nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ligure" <reiki@atticmemories .com > <mailto:reiki%40atticmemories.com>> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 21:33 > Subject: Re: [eSens] subtle energies > > > While I do not know how it works or its validity, but aura photography > > claims to display the subtle auric field around individuals. Here is > > an example site. Apparently it has been available long enough to be > > beyond the "cutting edge". > > http://www.theviole taura.com/ auragallery. htm > <http://www.thevioletaura.com/auragallery.htm> > > > > There is also Kirlian photography that is quite amazing. In one > > example I saw a Kirlian pisture or a whole leaf. It showed the veins > > etc. Then a picture of the same leaf with a portion cut off. The cut > > off portion still came into the Kirlian photo. Then later another > > Kirlian picture was taken and the cut off portion was fainter than > > before. (Sorry could not find a link to the photo - only articles > > about the expirement). > > > > Ligure > > > > Quoting Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email] <mailto:pecina%40cg.yu>>: > > > >> Vinny, > >> Although I share Marc's determination to practical aspects, I am > >> also happy to see at the list people like you (and Charles, etc.) > >> who are interested in theoretical aspects! > >> > >> Have I understood you right that you think "$90,000, six pounds" > >> meter would have been able to monitor the "subtle energies"? > >> > >> As I think the answer would be "no", let me ask you, as one of the > >> advocates of "non Hertzian" (scalar, or whatever) fields if you see > >> any way to objectively approach such fields presence, besides > >> "semi-subjective" means like dowsing?! > >> > >> Let it be clear that I am myself for years back searching for the > >> "missing link" - it is obvious that Hertzian fields (alone) are not > >> enough to predict ES reaction in certain environment. At least it is > >> obvious due to the undeniable eficiency of "our" devices that help > >> ES - while not affecting Hertzian fields... But I was still not been > >> able to read anything *objectively testable* regarding scalars, so > >> I would have been very happy if you could help. > >> > >> Drasko > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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