stetzer meter

> Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone have
> experience with these and know if they do anything?
>
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> thanks!
>
> Jill
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> Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to what?
> From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
>
> What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
>
> Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
>
> Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
>
> It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
>
> Eli
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
> it's worth
> > unplugging
> > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> Stetzer
> > filters but I prefer
> > using isolation filters like model 475 from iceRadioProducts.com.
> >
> > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
> BUT the
> > real problem
> > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
> Stetzer
> > filters stop
> > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the differential
> mode,
> > without addressing
> > common mode.
> >
> > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> wires into
> > the living space.
> > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> you have
> > metal conduit it may
> > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming unshielded
> cords,
> > which most are).
> >
> > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> meters, but the
> > Stetzer one
> > is more affordable and easy to use.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> have
> > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived –
> that is
> > > to have succeeded"
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> draw
> current like a Stetzer does.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to

> > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> >
> > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> >
> > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> >
> > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> >
> > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill

> > mode,
> > > without addressing
> > > common mode.
> > >
> > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> > wires into
> > > the living space.
> > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> > you have
> > > metal conduit it may
> > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming

> > cords,
> > > which most are).
> > >
> > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > meters, but the
> > > Stetzer one
> > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> > have
> > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have

> > that is
> > > > to have succeeded"
> > > >
> > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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> So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> to eliminate common mode noise.
>
> The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
>
> One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange thing
> is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw current.
> Ignorance or denial?
>
> I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll see
> if it has any health affects.
>
> As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
> line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
> plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
>
> Eli
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> only way
> > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> this house
> > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> doesn't
> > draw
> > current like a Stetzer does.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> what?
> > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > >
> > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > >
> > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > >
> > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
>
> Bruno"
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
> > > it's worth
> > > > unplugging
> > > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > > Stetzer
> > > > filters but I prefer
> > > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
> iceRadioProducts.com.
> > > >
> > > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
> > > BUT the
> > > > real problem
> > > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
> > > Stetzer
> > > > filters stop
> > > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
> differential
> > > mode,
> > > > without addressing
> > > > common mode.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> > > wires into
> > > > the living space.
> > > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> > > you have
> > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> unshielded
> > > cords,
> > > > which most are).
> > > >
> > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > meters, but the
> > > > Stetzer one
> > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> > > have
> > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> lived –
> > > that is
> > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > >
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> not
> sure if that's true.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> wrote:
>
> > So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> > to eliminate common mode noise.
> >
> > The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> > very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
> >
> > One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> > affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> > to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> > is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange

> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> > only way
> > > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> > this house
> > > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> > doesn't
> > > draw
> > > current like a Stetzer does.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model

> > > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> > what?
> > > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > > >
> > > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > > >
> > > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > > >
> > > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC

> > > > you have
> > > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> > unshielded
> > > > cords,
> > > > > which most are).
> > > > >
> > > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > > meters, but the
> > > > > Stetzer one
> > > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.

> > > > have
> > > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> > lived –
> > > > that is
> > > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __________________________________________________________
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> From an electrosensitive standpoint it doesn't matter if the
> capacitor, overall, doesn't consume power. The point is that
> current is required to charge and discharge the capacitor 120
> volts 60 times a second. Current induces a magnetic field.
>
>
> Eli
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't even know how a DC supply works.
> >
> > I think the Stetzer people say it does not add to your electric
> bill.
> > Because it's 'reactive' current (not in phase with voltage) it does
> not
> > waste energy--
> > except there is a resistor in their filters too which wastes some.
> > Some say there is energy use due to losses on the line to the house.
> > But in fact I believe that's only second order in the current.
> > To first order there is a phase shift acting on the generator, which
> > might cost some energy to correct. But apparently the Utilities
> have some
> > method for balancing inductive and capacitive loads so that they
> don't cost
> > anything.
> > I've also been told the electric meter won't notice reactive loads
> but I'm
> > not
> > sure if that's true.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> > > to eliminate common mode noise.
> > >
> > > The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> > > very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
> > >
> > > One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> > > affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> > > to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> > > is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange
> thing
> > > is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw
> current.
> > > Ignorance or denial?
> > >
> > > I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll
> see
> > > if it has any health affects.
> > >
> > > As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
> > > line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
> > > plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> Bruno"
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> > > only way
> > > > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> > > this house
> > > > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> > > doesn't
> > > > draw
> > > > current like a Stetzer does.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model
> 475
> > > > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> > > what?
> > > > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC
> adapter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eli
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%
>
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> > >
> > > Bruno"
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do
> think
> > > > > it's worth
> > > > > > unplugging
> > > > > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > > > > Stetzer
> > > > > > filters but I prefer
> > > > > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
> > > iceRadioProducts.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a
> problem,
> > > > > BUT the
> > > > > > real problem
> > > > > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor
> do the
> > > > > Stetzer
> > > > > > filters stop
> > > > > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
> > > differential
> > > > > mode,
> > > > > > without addressing
> > > > > > common mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of
> the
> > > > > wires into
> > > > > > the living space.
> > > > > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real
> strong. If
> > > > > you have
> > > > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> > > unshielded
> > > > > cords,
> > > > > > which most are).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > > > meters, but the
> > > > > > Stetzer one
> > > > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.
> Anyone
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> > > lived –
> > > > > that is
> > > > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________
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