stellite television provider close to home?

Hi all

I am planning to move. I noticed that there was main building of stellite television provider at region that I am planning to move. I am highly sensitive to magnestic fields. Would you think this region is not fine for me? What would be the minimum distance of our homes from such building?

Thanks a lot.

Nil

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I don't think one can generalize but there's not obvious reason such
a building should generate excess magnetic fields... 20 ft is probably
enough, just guessing. Just make sure there are no back haul dishes
on top pointed right at you. And as always there could be cell phone
antennas hidden on top--watch out for smoke stacks with no smoke,
strangely wide lamp posts, funny trees, or almost anything on top that
doesn't look the way all buildings used to look. The movie Public Exposure
shows one example of very well hidden antennas.

Bill

On 9/9/07, yildiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of longitudinal
waves may be present there.
(After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see, that no
direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "yildiz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:15
Subject: [eSens] stellite television provider close to home?

Thank you very much Bill.

That building is quite high. I can not exactly see what is on top but I see many backhaul dishes looking slightly upwards. Not to direction of where I am planning to move.
Yes, cell phone antennas are everywhere. I am wondering if it would be safe not to move to higher places if those antennas are generally placed to higher places.Could it be that parts of the city which are at lower altitude might be safer for cell phone antenna problem?

best wishes.
Nil
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bruno
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] stellite television provider close to home?


I don't think one can generalize but there's not obvious reason such
a building should generate excess magnetic fields... 20 ft is probably
enough, just guessing. Just make sure there are no back haul dishes
on top pointed right at you. And as always there could be cell phone
antennas hidden on top--watch out for smoke stacks with no smoke,
strangely wide lamp posts, funny trees, or almost anything on top that
doesn't look the way all buildings used to look. The movie Public Exposure
shows one example of very well hidden antennas.

Bill

On 9/9/07, yildiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Thank you very much Charles. I understood.

best wishes.
Nil
----- Original Message -----
From: charles
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] stellite television provider close to home?


Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.

I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of longitudinal
waves may be present there.
(After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)

So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see, that no
direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "yildiz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:15
Subject: [eSens] stellite television provider close to home?



   

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Hello Charles,

could you please tell us how you detected the longitudinal waves?
Last fortnight I contacted Dr Gruen and Prof Meyl regarding
the longitudinal waves. Dr Gruen said on this list once that
they are blocked by about an inch of water. Prof Meyl has not
given enough info on this. I want to know, can they be blocked
by water if anybody knows, and Charles how do you detect them?

Now I'm not sure everyone will agree with the waves, but if they
do exist and are given off by sharply accelerated radiation in the
khz range from monitors and inverters, heard as annoying squawking
on a radio,
then maybe we could try a 'water jacketed computer', as an additional
layer around our shielded ones.
I am half thinking about taking a shielded
and emissions minimized computer like we have discussed and built
here, and wrapping it completely in a water jacket, as well as
putting springlife polarizers and bioprotects on it. It would be
interesting if this increased current efforts. If water does stop
these
waves if they exist I imagine full encirclement of the computer
running of batteries would be required. Perhaps as a first attempt
a two inch thick, say two panes of glass ultra thin fish tank,
could be put in front of a monitor. This is a bit tricky, so it
would be good to have any info first.

If you have a reliable method of detecting the waves we would
like to know. Also, bundle of long waves at back of satellite
dish, well a CRT screen looks like a satellite dish.

Right now I am stuck in Melbourne having waited for a spectrum
analyzer that did not arrive, very unnaturally sleepy in this flat.
We have had horse flu over here and I have noticed that 5 of 6
of the outbreaks in this country of highly pathogenic animal flu
have initiated in certain proximity to an airport, and in military
cases just off in line with the runway. I have not established
the whereabouts of the sixth outbreak but am aware it is nearby
one of the other 5, and that additionally the same thing seems
to have happened in Abbotsford Canada. I am writing that up.

Also on another topic: there is a fellow over here facing
court in a few weeks. Discretion should be used discussing certain
issues here and I may be contacted off list. A previous effort
to look at some records seems to have run into problems with
individual affected by wifi at record location. I mentioned about
Gugielmo Marconi for those who remember. If a certain record
check were performed to establish more accurately particulars
of his med history and it were shown that it is likely that he
was the first electrosensitive (Arthur Firstenberg tells
me that cases are documented back to the 18th century),
it is my strict opinion that this
information may be mitigating in consideration of a certain vulnerable
individual's legal fate.I am appealling,
and would consider it a great favor, for anyone who has some
Italian language or feels competent with wireless and medical
records, and can check some records at locations in England
and/ or Italy, hopefully in the next 10 days, to contact me. As
well as a certain individual being assisted, we all would. It
can be seen that this individual has had an effect on public
opinion here judging by news reports, and I think he deserves our
support in some respect.

Rowan C

--- In [hidden email], "yildiz" <yildiz22@...> wrote:
>
> Longitudinal waves do go right through metal surfaces.
>
> I have found, that at the back of a satellite dish, a bundle of
longitudinal
> waves may be present there.
> (After we dismantled the dish, the problems were gone!)
>
> So, my advice would be, that you look carefully around and see,
that no
> direct back of a dish is pointing in your direction.

There are not that many people who possess such an amount of meters and
antennas.
And not even I can measure longitudinal waves.

I am in good contact with Dr. Gruen.
At the time of this dish, I read an article where someone pointed out, that
those satellite dishes were surrounded with *clouds of longitudinal waves*.
The *wheatseed water test* of Dr. Gruen showed that longitudinal waves pass
right through shieldings, so also throuigh metallic dishes.
And Dr. Gruen stated, that longitudinal waves, when passing through a
shielding, their information may change from positive into negative, vice
versa.
It is this information on longitudinal waves, where people may react to.
As I mentioned earlier, not to a heavy DECT signal, but to a very weak DECT
signal with heavy reactions.

Taken that all into consideration, and the fact, that I could not measure
anything at all, at this special spot in the room, I dismantled, the dish,
and the earlier adverse complaints were gone.
So, my only conclusion is, that those longitudinal waves were the point.
I have no other explanation.

Of course, we have the signals from the satellites.
Many therapists claim, that they find 24 GHz frequencies in children, coming
from satellites.
But those frequencies are all around, not bundled precisely at the back of a
dish.
And they are only reflected at the front; they do not pass through metal.

What kind of spectrum analyzer are you waiting?
Do you think you know how to handle such a device?
Do you realize how complicated that is?
It takes at least six months to learn.


Courts is something we should avoid.
Nothing can be gained there.
We cannot prove anything in court.
Yes, many people are sick by the elektrosmog, but we cannot prove that.
In Germany many people take blood tests before and after a phone mast is
erected.
The blood changes are very clear and disturbing.
Still, in court it means nothing.
Since the victims do not drop dead instantly, there is no health danger, so
they rule.

The *aussies* are as mean as anywhere else.

See, the radio breast cancer stories at ABC Toowong (www.emfacts.com).

See the story about your Dr. John Holt, who told for your television, that
he cures cancer, and that he has done so for the last 30 (=thrirty) years.
The television reports then showed many people, who were sent home in the
1970-ies, because their cancer could not be treated any further, and now
gave proof, of the successfull treatment of the 80 year old dr. John Holt,
and that they are still alive, thanks to him.
However, dr. John Holt has been harrased by the australian government, and
the Australian Medical Association. like everywhere in the world, where they
want to ban successfull alternative cancer treatments.
Btw. dr John Holt does not use mumbo-jumbo, but he injects his patients with
a glucose blocker, and radiates with 424 MHz.
The TV interviews can stiil be seen at www.rifeforum.de

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rowster_c" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 07:18
Subject: [eSens] Re: stellite television provider close to home?

Hello Charles,

I didn't mean to upset you. I have been thinking hard about the
longitudinal waves and want to get to the bottom of them,
and any information of value would be important. However my
enquiries of others of details of how water blocks them have
not been answered so I thought I would try here. I note carefully
that electrical engineering and physics is aware of 'longitudinal
section electric and magnetic' waves (from google) travelling
down wires, and see how they could correspond to Pf Meyl's waves.
They would be emitted by the junction between a satellite dish
and its coax cable. I just want any further in the field
details.

As for the situation over here with us, yes our government is
a disgrace. The legal situation I referred to is not a civil suit
but a criminal defense, and I was cryptic in my comments wanting
to be discrete. You mentioned that your phone was tapped. I
recounted some events that happened at my house and two very
conservative friends without prompting seperately stated: 'Your
phone has been tapped'.

I am sure a spectrum analyzer will not be very hard to work out
as I have 2 years of electrical engineering in addition to my
science, withdrawing from the former due to what we now know as
es. I had ordered an Anritsu, but the delivery was delayed and
then I realised it was unstable and wouldn't make it here
in time. So I may try a spectran, as it seems the new
version has dealt with the spurious readings problem. My
current clamp arrived only this afternoon, and I will try to get
it working with my usb audio card in the next few days. I asked about
long waves because I feel we should shortly have the technology
to spot them, and I believe it could be done with very sensitive
clamps and probes. You said you had measured the long waves and
that is why I asked. It is pretty clear that if long waves exist
that one scenario is them being given off by the sharply spiked
non linear signals of DECT phones and modern comms.

In the past week we have a newspaper reporting 'People power up'
and 'Tower of strenth facing phone mast fear', and our leading
newspaper having criticised wifi, and a topical television
advertisement. The individual I mentioned could use some concern
and I won't say any more on that here.

Rowan C.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> There are not that many people who possess such an amount of meters
and
> antennas.
> And not even I can measure longitudinal waves.
>
> I am in good contact with Dr. Gruen.
> At the time of this dish, I read an article where someone pointed
out, that
> those satellite dishes were surrounded with *clouds of longitudinal
waves*.
> The *wheatseed water test* of Dr. Gruen showed that longitudinal
waves pass
> right through shieldings, so also throuigh metallic dishes.
> And Dr. Gruen stated, that longitudinal waves, when passing through
a
> shielding, their information may change from positive into
negative, vice
> versa.
> It is this information on longitudinal waves, where people may
react to.
> As I mentioned earlier, not to a heavy DECT signal, but to a very
weak DECT
> signal with heavy reactions.
>
> Taken that all into consideration, and the fact, that I could not
measure
> anything at all, at this special spot in the room, I dismantled,
the dish,
> and the earlier adverse complaints were gone.
> So, my only conclusion is, that those longitudinal waves were the
point.
> I have no other explanation.
>
> Of course, we have the signals from the satellites.
> Many therapists claim, that they find 24 GHz frequencies in
children, coming
> from satellites.
> But those frequencies are all around, not bundled precisely at the
back of a
> dish.
> And they are only reflected at the front; they do not pass through
metal. that.
> In Germany many people take blood tests before and after a phone
mast is
> erected.
> The blood changes are very clear and disturbing.
> Still, in court it means nothing.
> Since the victims do not drop dead instantly, there is no health
danger, so
> they rule.
>
> The *aussies* are as mean as anywhere else.
>
> See, the radio breast cancer stories at ABC Toowong
(www.emfacts.com).
>
> See the story about your Dr. John Holt, who told for your
television, that
> he cures cancer, and that he has done so for the last 30 (=thrirty)
years.
> The television reports then showed many people, who were sent home
in the
> 1970-ies, because their cancer could not be treated any further,
and now
> gave proof, of the successfull treatment of the 80 year old dr.
John Holt,
> and that they are still alive, thanks to him.
> However, dr. John Holt has been harrased by the australian
government, and
> the Australian Medical Association. like everywhere in the world,
where they
> want to ban successfull alternative cancer treatments.
> Btw. dr John Holt does not use mumbo-jumbo, but he injects his
patients with additional flat. vulnerable

> I didn't mean to upset you. I have been thinking hard about the
> longitudinal waves and want to get to the bottom of them,
> and any information of value would be important.

Well, you've suggested that you've read about longitudinal
waves by Dr. Gruen, but have you tried Dr. Gruen's proposed
solution -- the BioProtect card?

Also, it has been speculated that some of the other EMF
protection devices on the market (Springlife Polarizers,
Quantum Products, Earthcalm, RA*D*AR card) also work by
altering the longitudinal waves, and certainly have
provided relief for some people here. Certainly this
would be a lot easier than building a water barrier
around a computer!

Marc

As I mentioned, there had been some success here with shielded
computers, even though beyond the reach of many. I suggested
using a water jacket in addition to Faraday shielding and bioprotect
and springlife polarizer. I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at
LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was
a bit steep on the direct order, but I am due to order one now,
on top of the 50 other
things and significant investment I have ordered in the past years.

It has been stated by some that 1 inch of water will shield
so called longitudinal waves. While I quite seriously believe
that they may be right and am in favor of this research, let them
put up their evidence. It has
been mentioned with respect to seedlings but I would like to see
other evidence.

If they are correct, I do not see why investigating a water
jacket should not be a more satisfactory solution when coupled
with these other approaches. It is a great deal of effort to
build a water jacket without first collecting evidence. Many members
of this list are far better off than others.

I am trying to solve a problem here.

Rowan C.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> I had trouble ordering a bioprotect at
> LessEMF and Priggen, and the bank foreign currency transfer was
> a bit steep on the direct order

You can buy the Bioprotect Card and Bioprotect Handy at
http://company4you.nl, under the category "Electrosmog".
I bought this using a credit card, and they shipped it
overseas to the USA.

Marc

Thank you Marc, bought, done.

Rowan

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Can someone tell me what they mean by longitudinal waves?

What I learned is that Maxwell's equations has wave solutions
that can be in one of two polarizations (or a combination, resulting,
depending on the phase, in circular polarization).

The polarization has no major effect on how far it goes through
metal unless there are lots of slits or something to make it directional.

Now possibly if you're close to the back of the dish a lot can
happen that is not a wave solution but a 'near field effect'.
If you're a few feet away, those are no longer a problem.

There also may be more complicated things in a magnetic media
like steel that I don't know about...?

I do think that if you don't have a meter, finding a house that is
protected in a valley or with little hills around it is more likely
to be OK, provided you don't see any antennas. Being high up
and having nice views is dangerous--they might build a new
antenna you can see...

On 9/12/07, rowster_c <[hidden email]> wrote:

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--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what they mean by longitudinal waves?
>
> What I learned is that Maxwell's equations has wave solutions
> that can be in one of two polarizations (or a combination,
resulting,
> depending on the phase, in circular polarization).
>


Hello Bill,

Sorry about delay in answering this, busy packing and
setting up current clamp plus wire breakout accessory
so I can measure Pos neutral earth separately at an
outlet. Answer is in rough form for physics types and
long. Some of it will be wrong and probably full of
inaccurate suppositions.

Modern electrical engineering and electron behaviour  
is largely based no Maxwell's equation. When
Maxwell did his work, he didn't use the current
equations, he drew diagrams of hexagons, and models
where the electron moved by vortices, and spun on
ball bearings called idlers. Equations too complicated,
involved quaternions I think.

Equations were too complex. His contemporaries
realised he was right and distilled them down into the
current equations which are held correct, done I think
by Heaviside. Some people claim they are incomplete
however. The vortices were dropped. Some recent
work has been done on non linear Maxwell equations,
not big.

The basic form of the electron wavicle involves
magnetic fields being perpendicular to electric. In the
circular polarised form the electron spins along as
either a helix or a twisted bit of pasta, I can't
remember which- that is either the edge of the twisted
bit of pasta or the surface. There are other models
more accurate. In the E polarised or the H polarised
form, it is squashed flat, moving diagonally side to
side across a plane. Each movement is electron is
made up of a left then a right, like a zigzag shape
when linearly polarised. Or something like the above.

When the waves are given off antennas, they can be
ring vortices, like smoke rings, or a number of other
patterns, all solutions of Maxwell's equation.

Considering superconductors, the vortices, the left
and right halves of each electron movement, become
more important and spiral patterns can be seen. It is
interesting to note that the patterns claimed to be seen
by some dowsers, such as in the book at
http://www.geopathfinder.com , are identical at the
large scale (1 km) on the earth's surface, to the tiny
patterns seen with equipment in a superconductor (1
nm ish)- the vortices come out.

Some people concentrated on the vortices and said
Maxwell's equations weren't good enough, omitting
part of the electron's movement. They said there was
more than just a helix component of 2 halves in each
electron, there was other stuff called the 'scalar' or
longitudinal component. Tesla worked on this after
Maxwell and used the scalar component to transmit
energy wirelessly over significant distances, not using
the rudimentary energy capture method used by some
RFID tags. This tech is being rediscovered , not in the
old fashioned way of RFID tags or electric
toothbrushes I think, which is via near field magnetic
coupling.

Pr Meyl of Germany has been getting stuck in. See
http://www.meyl.eu : He sells expensive kits where
helicopters fly powered by scalars. See written book
and papers all described at his site. He say's he
rewrites Maxwell's equations using Faraday's law to
add extra term. I can't understand equations any more
so I can't check it. Brain is a bit dimmer now.

When an object moves at different speeds in different
media it can go through phase changes to different
movement patterns. Like cigarette smoke curling or
moving as rings. When elec moves down wire it can
switch from helix to 'longitudinal section electric or
magnetic wave', when the wire is next to insulator
and goes through thickness changes and intersections
I think I read. See physics papers.

Meyl, Tesla, etc, claim there is more than just long
section elec. Considering different elec types, pi,
sigma, 2s 2p they are all different forms. Now I
haven't followed this bit yet, but I think Pr Meyl is
saying a longitudinal wave is a neutrino or a solution
to the new they call expanded Maxwell's equations.
Bound to be disagreement I expect. Nevertheless,
there are papers in Physical Review I think discussing
longitudinal section elec waves passing through and
interacting with crystals (quartz?). This might
correlate with the remarks by Charles (when he is in a
good mood) and others of the crystals soaking up
scalar 'energy' and needing to be rested or discharged
or something. There may be something to this new
age crystal stuff. Claims that these scalars aren't
affected by Faraday cage effect.

Not knowing too much I think the scalar equations
might be related to the convection, displacement
current, or vortex motion or something. Some
websites claim scalar detectors that weigh a tonne.
Physicists put in a big effort to detect a handful of
neutrinos.

If we assume that electricity moves in different
patterns at different speeds or rather accelerations,
these scalars might be inclined to pop out under
acceleration or deceleration. Could be wrong but
hazard a guess that whenever electron is accelerated
nonlinearly, or particularly passes through a
SEMICONDUCTOR, and gets dragged at different
rates, maybe it could pump out scalars. This doesn't
violate Einstein's going faster than the speed of light
due to the group velocity phase velocity I think.

Every computer is run on semiconductors. You can
easily see how they are involved with the established
long section elec/mag waves, so why not scalars. So
some people say that it is the scalars and their
'information content' coming from electronic gadgets
that affect electrosensitives, and that the E, H fields
are just a side issue. Others have less faith. But a
number of reports on eSens indicate response to
devices that claim to alter scalars, such as bioprotect,
I think springlife polarizer etc.

Example of semiconductor producing illness is the
dental amalgam probably. I read on an internet
newsgroup that the cause of a few people hearing
radio from their fillings is the 'rusty nail effect' from
EMC. Filling forms a layer of rust on surface, a
semiconductor. Radiation from device hits rusty
filling, produces flow of electron current due to the
voltage ? difference across semiconducting tarnished
surface (demodulation), which further tarnishes
surface, releases nasty chemicals, and they now
suggest also emits 'scalars', like having a scalar
emitter in your head. See 'rusty nail' and
'electromagnetic compatibility'. Not where I saw it
but it is mentioned here:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=36
7925 Fillings rusting is more than century old
problem. Might explain why stainless steel hip joints
don't seem to be producing reports of
electrosensitivity because they are not
semiconductors. Thus the models of model implants
are faulty because the don't take into account power
loss when wave hits semiconductor.

It would be good if these scalar device absorber
builders would placebo control blind trial their
devices on 30 people at a time military fashion so we
could more info and then push further with the
research if necessary. So I was thinking if water
absorbs scalars not using a Faraday cage effect it may
be better than just bioprotects alone in front of a
computer screen, and I wish the device builders would
front up a bit more of their info and get things
moving

Prof Meyl's book has it all at his site.

Regards,
Rowan C.