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gjohnson
  I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C
signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19
ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola
Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I
also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone
antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was
quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I
knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum
needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was
totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The
HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval
to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even
shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak.

During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes
bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban
environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low
electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last
year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the
time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from
a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the
duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which
would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility.

So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for
about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to
that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to
avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional
cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and
the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
lower total dosage than many other sources.

Gary Johnson
PUK
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PUK
puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily  
exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is
the  straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood
has them,  and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly -
you  haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an
inch and  are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly
for every  organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it
will have a  brain fart then what !
 
 
In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]  
writes:

the  same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
meter  placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
lower  total dosage than many other sources.

Gary  Johnson



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charles-4
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Hello,

The HF35C is not adequate enough for measuring those signals.

Perhaps a higher type, which has *Spitzenwert halten*, with which the highest value is held on the display may give you a better idea.

However I have now done quite  a number of measurements with certain different types of broadband HF meters.
I have measured two types of DECT phone separately and then together.
Also with a wireless modem.

The results will be published in my November issue of *het bitje*.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
lid Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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gekontroleerd door Norton

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  From: Gary Johnson
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  Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 4:38 AM
  Subject: [eSens] smart meter test


    I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C
  signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19
  ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola
  Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I
  also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone
  antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was
  quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I
  knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum
  needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was
  totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The
  HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval
  to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even
  shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak.

  During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes
  bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban
  environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low
  electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last
  year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the
  time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from
  a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the
  duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which
  would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility.

  So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for
  about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to
  that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to
  avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional
  cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and
  the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
  meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
  lower total dosage than many other sources.

  Gary Johnson


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BiBrun
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I would be cautious about accepting this.  These pulses may
be hard to measure because they are so short... but if they
repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you think?

It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep it
away from your house.  Even chicken wire will make an
easily measurable reduction.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily
> exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is
>
> the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood
> has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly -
>
> you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an
> inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly
> for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it
>
> will have a brain fart then what !
>
>
> In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu>
> writes:
>
>
> the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
> meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
> lower total dosage than many other sources.
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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BiBrun
Although that won't stop the dirty electricity pulses.

See the research on intermittent magnetic fields affecting sleep....

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would be cautious about accepting this.  These pulses may
> be hard to measure because they are so short... but if they
> repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you think?
>
> It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep it
> away from your house.  Even chicken wire will make an
> easily measurable reduction.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily
>> exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what
>> is
>> the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood
>> has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly
>> -
>> you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an
>> inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly
>>
>> for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that
>> it
>> will have a brain fart then what !
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time,
>> [hidden email] <gjohnson%40ksu.edu>
>> writes:
>>
>>
>> the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
>> meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
>> lower total dosage than many other sources.
>>
>> Gary Johnson
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>  
>>
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Loni Rosser
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Hmm interesting!  Smart meter made my house unbearable for me!  Good Luck with it!  Loni

--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Gary Johnson <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] smart meter test
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 7:38 PM


 



I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C
signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19
ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola
Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I
also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone
antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was
quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I
knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum
needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was
totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The
HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval
to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even
shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak.

During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes
bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban
environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low
electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last
year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the
time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from
a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the
duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which
would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility.

So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for
about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to
that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to
avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional
cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and
the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
lower total dosage than many other sources.

Gary Johnson








     

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Loni Rosser
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Good Points Paul! All my neighbors have them. I understand that they are receivers as well as transmitters. They send a signal out once per minute to tell the utility co "Hey I'm ok; still working & no power outage"  according to an engineer I know.
 
If I got near the thing it just about made me collapse.  
 
Plus there are antennas put up in the neighborhood also for these. It is really bad for us. Dangerous for all! We are the best measuring devices anyway.
 
I'm feeling much better with the analog meter.
 
Loni

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test
To: [hidden email], [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:45 AM


 



puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily
exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is
the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood
has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly -
you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an
inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly
for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it
will have a brain fart then what !


In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart
meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much
lower total dosage than many other sources.

Gary Johnson

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evie15422
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Hi, Bill and All,

When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all referring to?  I have still old fashioned meters from my power and gas companies.  But the water company was the one who insisted on a "smart meter" at my house.  I was told they intend to install them at every house and then put a satelite type dish on telephone poles thru-out the community to auto-collect the readings!  (I can't wait!  NOT)  

The water company, however, with much protesting from me, put mine in a hole in the ground with a plastic liner to keep the hole from caving in and a concrete cover over the hole.  It is right on top of the water line valve where it enters our property.  I didn't truly want pex pipe the entire length to our house, but they insisted on doing it that way, since I wanted a short length of pex at the entrance into the house.  It does seem to work this way for me.  I don't feel anything from the meter until I am almost right on top of it.  I am still concerned, tho, about the meters and dishes going in everywhere later.  Can you imagine smart meters X 3 or 4 utilities at every house???, plus the auto-reader satellite dishes on the telephone poles????  My only consolation is, I think sooner or later a solar storm is going to come along and fry all this crap.  We can only collectively hope.  ;)

Diane
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:50 AM
> I would be cautious about accepting
> this.  These pulses may
> be hard to measure because they are so short... but if
> they
> repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you
> think?
>
> It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep
> it
> away from your house.  Even chicken wire will make an
> easily measurable reduction.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap,
> look at your daily
> > exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation,
> it all adds up what is
> >
> > the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the
> whole neighbourhood
> > has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them
> at will or randomly -
> >
> > you haven't thought this through. The wireless
> industry has been given an
> > inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe
> technology, seemingly
> > for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves
> is inevitable that it
> >
> > will have a brain fart then what !
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight
> Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu>
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to
> oppose the smart
> > meter placement on my house since it appears to
> irradiate me with a much
> > lower total dosage than many other sources.
> >
> > Gary Johnson
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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sandimaurer
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I am collecting health and other stories about smart meters for the  
EMF Safety Network website.
The personal accounts are outrageous insults to civil, property and  
human rights. Put a Smart meter on your home and you risk doubling of  
your utility bills and more, burnt out appliances, privacy breeches  
and the risk of a fire.
See health compilation here: http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292

And here's one recently posted:
In July 2010, SDG&E installed Smart Meters in my condo complex. I own  
a townhouse that is situated in clusters: 8 units per cluster.  
Therefore 16 Smart Meters were installed in the utilites shed  outside  
my kitchen/bedroom walls, ten feet away.

  I began having symptoms of head burning and pressure on my chest  
within a few days.  As time progressed the symtoms worsened. I had  
severe burning in my head and headaches of a new type. I starting  
having palpitations, arrythmias and flutter.  I called SDG& E. Three  
people including an engineer and the director of the Smart Meter  
program came to my home, spent an hour talking and photgraphing  the  
meters. They took no measurements of the radiation, though they said  
they would on the phone. The next day SDG&E informed me that they  
would not be replacing the meters with the analogue meters. They  
assured me that they are concerned about people’s health.

By six weeks in,  my cardiac symptoms were so severe and erratic that  
I had to move out.  I rented an apartment, which turned out to be  
unsafe as well. The Smart Meters are everywhere. With the  
intensification of my symptoms, I have become EMF/RF sensitive and now  
have the above problems around cell towers, Wi-Fi and other sources,  
accompanied by skin rashes and burning.
I am being evaluated by a cardiologist.  I have always had a strong,  
healthy heart, even told so by doctors. The cardiologist has sent me  
for an evaluation by a neurologist as well.

Five people have reported symptoms in my home: My father has  
experienced headaches and visual migraines. My mother reported having  
pressure on the upper part of her chest and palpitations.  One  
neighbor exposed to these 16 cluster meters is experiencing headaches  
and chest tightness. Another neighbor has difficulty opening her eyes  
in the mornings after 8 hours by the meters. Her ophthalmologist could  
find no explanation. She said she uses her fingers to open her lids.  
All of the above symptoms have occurred since the smart meter  
installations. The symptoms are worsening for everyone.

I am running  scared living this nightmare.  I don’t know where to  
live and fear for my well-being. I already have a prior  immune  
disability and I thought I would be legally protected by the ADA. I  
don’t know where it is safe for me to live.   In addition, the  
financial impact of this disaster compounds. I pay my monthly mortgage  
and rented a place, which due to symptoms, I cannot stay in.   I am  
not sure that I can rent or sell my condo in good conscience. I am  
seeking medical care including treatments not covered by any  
insurance. My out of pocket costs continue to grow.
San Diego CA

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Loni Rosser
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Yes Diane they are putting them everywhere. They are RF digital meters that put out a very harmful pulsing type of microwave frequency. Just had mine removed. Loni

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:29 AM


 



Hi, Bill and All,

When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all referring to? I have still old fashioned meters from my power and gas companies. But the water company was the one who insisted on a "smart meter" at my house. I was told they intend to install them at every house and then put a satelite type dish on telephone poles thru-out the community to auto-collect the readings! (I can't wait! NOT)

The water company, however, with much protesting from me, put mine in a hole in the ground with a plastic liner to keep the hole from caving in and a concrete cover over the hole. It is right on top of the water line valve where it enters our property. I didn't truly want pex pipe the entire length to our house, but they insisted on doing it that way, since I wanted a short length of pex at the entrance into the house. It does seem to work this way for me. I don't feel anything from the meter until I am almost right on top of it. I am still concerned, tho, about the meters and dishes going in everywhere later. Can you imagine smart meters X 3 or 4 utilities at every house???, plus the auto-reader satellite dishes on the telephone poles???? My only consolation is, I think sooner or later a solar storm is going to come along and fry all this crap. We can only collectively hope. ;)

Diane
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:50 AM
> I would be cautious about accepting
> this.  These pulses may
> be hard to measure because they are so short... but if
> they
> repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you
> think?
>
> It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep
> it
> away from your house.  Even chicken wire will make an
> easily measurable reduction.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap,
> look at your daily
> > exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation,
> it all adds up what is
> >
> > the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the
> whole neighbourhood
> > has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them
> at will or randomly -
> >
> > you haven't thought this through. The wireless
> industry has been given an
> > inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe
> technology, seemingly
> > for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves
> is inevitable that it
> >
> > will have a brain fart then what !
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight
> Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu>
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to
> oppose the smart
> > meter placement on my house since it appears to
> irradiate me with a much
> > lower total dosage than many other sources.
> >
> > Gary Johnson
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
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Marc Martin
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> When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all
> referring to?

Maybe there are photos out there that show what a smart meter looks
like?

I know that they replaced the meter on my natural gas line a year
or two ago, but I have no idea if the meter is "smart" or not!

Marc
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evie15422
Hi Marc,
 
Yeah, I suspect the utilities are calling more than one type of meter "smart meters" from what is being communicated here.  I will have to check out my meter in the hole and compare it with a picture.  Thanks.  Good idea to check online. 
 
I was told by the gas company that their meter was specially made for me (so it is supposed to be fully analog).  It is funny how some utilities appear to bend over backwards to make you happy and others will not budge from their agenda.
 
Diane

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To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:52 PM


 



> When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all
> referring to?

Maybe there are photos out there that show what a smart meter looks
like?

I know that they replaced the meter on my natural gas line a year
or two ago, but I have no idea if the meter is "smart" or not!

Marc








     

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SArjuna
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I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from
electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector.
  (New, improved models out soon, BTW,)

In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall
from the head of a bed.   I told the folks to move the bed to the other end
of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that
distance.

In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly
throughout the entire house.

In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to
meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the
way through the system.   This means that instead of your meter signaling
every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost
continually.

And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate
broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house.   Big Brother will
know when you make your toast.   And you may become toast.

BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we
didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter.   I sent them e-mail after e-mail of
science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of
our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't
say "We didn't know."   They are no longer threatening to turn off our power,
but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution.    -But, one
that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.

Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to
PEX pipe.    However, water is a terrifically good conductor.   I'd wonder
if some signal is coming in via the water.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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evie15422
Thanks for that info, Shivani,
 
I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself.  I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure.   Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? 
 
I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter.  (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there).  The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe.  The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters.  HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion.  Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house.  So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both).  Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks again,
Diane
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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM


 



I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from
electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector.
(New, improved models out soon, BTW,)

In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall
from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end
of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that
distance.

In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly
throughout the entire house.

In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to
meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the
way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling
every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost
continually.

And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate
broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will
know when you make your toast. And you may become toast.

BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we
didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of
science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of
our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't
say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power,
but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one
that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.

Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to
PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder
if some signal is coming in via the water.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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Marc Martin
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> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the
> water itself. 

And that may be the big problem with ELECTRICITY smart meters -- the
RF frequencies emitted by the meter are now part of the electricity
in your entire house.

Marc
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Loni Rosser
From what I understand the rf rides on your wires right in to your  home!

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:33 AM


 



> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the
> water itself. 

And that may be the big problem with ELECTRICITY smart meters -- the
RF frequencies emitted by the meter are now part of the electricity
in your entire house.

Marc








     

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stephen_vandevijvere
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Thinking out loud, actually having a lot of questions on this,

I suppose and correct me if I'm wrong:
the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house?

> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself.

The emf from the smart meter can be in the water, so the water has a bad emf energy, the same as if you would put a cellphone next to a bottle of water it also has got bad emf energy and tastes bad as well,

But the water itself can not emit emf I would say? Maybe in a feng shui kinda way, but not directly?!

Or maybe the metal pipes (of water and gas)?

Or the electricity grid (like Marc has mentioned here) enhancing the smart meter emf? I think that's most likely because the electricity grid is spread throughout the house and because it has got electricity running through it it's actually fortifying the emf...




--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks for that info, Shivani,
>  
> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself.  I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure.   Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? 
>  
> I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter.  (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there).  The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe.  The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters.  HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion.  Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house.  So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both).  Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thanks again,
> Diane
> --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from
> electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector.
> (New, improved models out soon, BTW,)
>
> In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall
> from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end
> of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that
> distance.
>
> In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly
> throughout the entire house.
>
> In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to
> meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the
> way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling
> every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost
> continually.
>
> And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate
> broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will
> know when you make your toast. And you may become toast.
>
> BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we
> didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of
> science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of
> our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't
> say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power,
> but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one
> that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.
>
> Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to
> PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder
> if some signal is coming in via the water.
>
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
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Loni Rosser
 
 
>the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house?
 
Yes it did! Yes it does!  Loni



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From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:17 PM


 



Thinking out loud, actually having a lot of questions on this,

I suppose and correct me if I'm wrong:
the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house?

> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself.

The emf from the smart meter can be in the water, so the water has a bad emf energy, the same as if you would put a cellphone next to a bottle of water it also has got bad emf energy and tastes bad as well,

But the water itself can not emit emf I would say? Maybe in a feng shui kinda way, but not directly?!

Or maybe the metal pipes (of water and gas)?

Or the electricity grid (like Marc has mentioned here) enhancing the smart meter emf? I think that's most likely because the electricity grid is spread throughout the house and because it has got electricity running through it it's actually fortifying the emf...

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks for that info, Shivani,
>  
> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself.  I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure.   Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? 
>  
> I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter.  (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there).  The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe.  The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters.  HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion.  Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house.  So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both).  Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thanks again,
> Diane
> --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from
> electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector.
> (New, improved models out soon, BTW,)
>
> In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall
> from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end
> of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that
> distance.
>
> In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly
> throughout the entire house.
>
> In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to
> meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the
> way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling
> every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost
> continually.
>
> And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate
> broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will
> know when you make your toast. And you may become toast.
>
> BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we
> didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of
> science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of
> our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't
> say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power,
> but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one
> that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.
>
> Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to
> PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder
> if some signal is coming in via the water.
>
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
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Minni
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MORE POWER TO YOU!
This country is really going to H in a handbasket. The complex biz. re: Illuminati may be somewhat credible.

I believe I got something from the water company re: installation of some sort of smart meter, but thus far I've just ignored it.

Minni

> --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote:
>
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> From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
>  
>  
>BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we
didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of
science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of
our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't
say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power,
but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one
that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.


Electrostatically Yours,
Minni, Lysine4flu blog