I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C
signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19 ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak. During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility. So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much lower total dosage than many other sources. Gary Johnson |
puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily
exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly - you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it will have a brain fart then what ! In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much lower total dosage than many other sources. Gary Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello,
The HF35C is not adequate enough for measuring those signals. Perhaps a higher type, which has *Spitzenwert halten*, with which the highest value is held on the display may give you a better idea. However I have now done quite a number of measurements with certain different types of broadband HF meters. I have measured two types of DECT phone separately and then together. Also with a wireless modem. The results will be published in my November issue of *het bitje*. Met vriendelijke groeten, Charles Claessens lid Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.minderstraling.nl www.hetbitje.nl gekontroleerd door Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Johnson To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 4:38 AM Subject: [eSens] smart meter test I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19 ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak. During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility. So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much lower total dosage than many other sources. Gary Johnson ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I would be cautious about accepting this. These pulses may
be hard to measure because they are so short... but if they repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you think? It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep it away from your house. Even chicken wire will make an easily measurable reduction. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily > exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is > > the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood > has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly - > > you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an > inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly > for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it > > will have a brain fart then what ! > > > In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu> > writes: > > > the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart > meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much > lower total dosage than many other sources. > > Gary Johnson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
Although that won't stop the dirty electricity pulses.
See the research on intermittent magnetic fields affecting sleep.... On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > I would be cautious about accepting this. These pulses may > be hard to measure because they are so short... but if they > repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you think? > > It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep it > away from your house. Even chicken wire will make an > easily measurable reduction. > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> >> puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily >> exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what >> is >> the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood >> has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly >> - >> you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an >> inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly >> >> for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that >> it >> will have a brain fart then what ! >> >> >> In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, >> [hidden email] <gjohnson%40ksu.edu> >> writes: >> >> >> the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart >> meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much >> lower total dosage than many other sources. >> >> Gary Johnson >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Hmm interesting! Smart meter made my house unbearable for me! Good Luck with it! Loni
--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 7:38 PM I spent an hour this afternoon sitting on my patio with my HF 35C signal meter pointed at my new Elster smart meter. The distance was 19 ft/ 6 m. I calibrated the HF 35C with my daughter's new Motorola Tracfone, which she was using while standing next to the smart meter. I also had her spin around a couple of times because the cell phone antenna may be somewhat directional. The peak reading on the HF 35C was quite variable, ranging from perhaps 10 uW/sq meter to 90 uW/sq m. I knew that cell phones operate on variable power, using the minimum needed to make the connection, but this seemed more like the phone was totally off part of the time, and was transmitting in short bursts. The HF 35C would actually measure the signal during some short time interval to get a value for 'peak', but if the cell phone was on for an even shorter time, the measured peak would be less than the actual peak. During the hour long test, the HF 35C read 0 most of the time, sometimes bouncing up to 0.1 or 0.2 uW/sq m. (I live in a low density suburban environment, ranch houses on quarter acre lots, with relatively low electromagnetic radiation. This was a factor in buying this house last year.) Three times during the hour, the HF 35C made some noise. By the time I looked at the LCD readout the reading was already declining from a value that may have been as high as 50 uW/sq m. I would guess the duration of transmission to be in the range of 2 to 4 seconds, which would be more than enough time to send the data required by the utility. So for the hour long test, the smart meter was totally off except for about 10 seconds. While it was on, the signal strength was similar to that of a cell phone. I personally do not use a cell phone, and try to avoid places with intensive cell phone usage. So far, the occasional cell phone operation in the same room does not seem to bother me, and the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much lower total dosage than many other sources. Gary Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Good Points Paul! All my neighbors have them. I understand that they are receivers as well as transmitters. They send a signal out once per minute to tell the utility co "Hey I'm ok; still working & no power outage" according to an engineer I know.
If I got near the thing it just about made me collapse. Plus there are antennas put up in the neighborhood also for these. It is really bad for us. Dangerous for all! We are the best measuring devices anyway. I'm feeling much better with the analog meter. Loni --- On Mon, 10/18/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test To: [hidden email], [hidden email] Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:45 AM puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, look at your daily exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, it all adds up what is the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the whole neighbourhood has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them at will or randomly - you haven't thought this through. The wireless industry has been given an inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe technology, seemingly for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves is inevitable that it will have a brain fart then what ! In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to oppose the smart meter placement on my house since it appears to irradiate me with a much lower total dosage than many other sources. Gary Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Bill and All,
When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all referring to? I have still old fashioned meters from my power and gas companies. But the water company was the one who insisted on a "smart meter" at my house. I was told they intend to install them at every house and then put a satelite type dish on telephone poles thru-out the community to auto-collect the readings! (I can't wait! NOT) The water company, however, with much protesting from me, put mine in a hole in the ground with a plastic liner to keep the hole from caving in and a concrete cover over the hole. It is right on top of the water line valve where it enters our property. I didn't truly want pex pipe the entire length to our house, but they insisted on doing it that way, since I wanted a short length of pex at the entrance into the house. It does seem to work this way for me. I don't feel anything from the meter until I am almost right on top of it. I am still concerned, tho, about the meters and dishes going in everywhere later. Can you imagine smart meters X 3 or 4 utilities at every house???, plus the auto-reader satellite dishes on the telephone poles???? My only consolation is, I think sooner or later a solar storm is going to come along and fry all this crap. We can only collectively hope. ;) Diane --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:50 AM > I would be cautious about accepting > this. These pulses may > be hard to measure because they are so short... but if > they > repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you > think? > > It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep > it > away from your house. Even chicken wire will make an > easily measurable reduction. > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > > puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, > look at your daily > > exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, > it all adds up what is > > > > the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the > whole neighbourhood > > has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them > at will or randomly - > > > > you haven't thought this through. The wireless > industry has been given an > > inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe > technology, seemingly > > for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves > is inevitable that it > > > > will have a brain fart then what ! > > > > > > In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight > Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu> > > writes: > > > > > > the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to > oppose the smart > > meter placement on my house since it appears to > irradiate me with a much > > lower total dosage than many other sources. > > > > Gary Johnson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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I am collecting health and other stories about smart meters for the
EMF Safety Network website. The personal accounts are outrageous insults to civil, property and human rights. Put a Smart meter on your home and you risk doubling of your utility bills and more, burnt out appliances, privacy breeches and the risk of a fire. See health compilation here: http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292 And here's one recently posted: In July 2010, SDG&E installed Smart Meters in my condo complex. I own a townhouse that is situated in clusters: 8 units per cluster. Therefore 16 Smart Meters were installed in the utilites shed outside my kitchen/bedroom walls, ten feet away. I began having symptoms of head burning and pressure on my chest within a few days. As time progressed the symtoms worsened. I had severe burning in my head and headaches of a new type. I starting having palpitations, arrythmias and flutter. I called SDG& E. Three people including an engineer and the director of the Smart Meter program came to my home, spent an hour talking and photgraphing the meters. They took no measurements of the radiation, though they said they would on the phone. The next day SDG&E informed me that they would not be replacing the meters with the analogue meters. They assured me that they are concerned about peoples health. By six weeks in, my cardiac symptoms were so severe and erratic that I had to move out. I rented an apartment, which turned out to be unsafe as well. The Smart Meters are everywhere. With the intensification of my symptoms, I have become EMF/RF sensitive and now have the above problems around cell towers, Wi-Fi and other sources, accompanied by skin rashes and burning. I am being evaluated by a cardiologist. I have always had a strong, healthy heart, even told so by doctors. The cardiologist has sent me for an evaluation by a neurologist as well. Five people have reported symptoms in my home: My father has experienced headaches and visual migraines. My mother reported having pressure on the upper part of her chest and palpitations. One neighbor exposed to these 16 cluster meters is experiencing headaches and chest tightness. Another neighbor has difficulty opening her eyes in the mornings after 8 hours by the meters. Her ophthalmologist could find no explanation. She said she uses her fingers to open her lids. All of the above symptoms have occurred since the smart meter installations. The symptoms are worsening for everyone. I am running scared living this nightmare. I dont know where to live and fear for my well-being. I already have a prior immune disability and I thought I would be legally protected by the ADA. I dont know where it is safe for me to live. In addition, the financial impact of this disaster compounds. I pay my monthly mortgage and rented a place, which due to symptoms, I cannot stay in. I am not sure that I can rent or sell my condo in good conscience. I am seeking medical care including treatments not covered by any insurance. My out of pocket costs continue to grow. San Diego CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Yes Diane they are putting them everywhere. They are RF digital meters that put out a very harmful pulsing type of microwave frequency. Just had mine removed. Loni
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:29 AM Hi, Bill and All, When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all referring to? I have still old fashioned meters from my power and gas companies. But the water company was the one who insisted on a "smart meter" at my house. I was told they intend to install them at every house and then put a satelite type dish on telephone poles thru-out the community to auto-collect the readings! (I can't wait! NOT) The water company, however, with much protesting from me, put mine in a hole in the ground with a plastic liner to keep the hole from caving in and a concrete cover over the hole. It is right on top of the water line valve where it enters our property. I didn't truly want pex pipe the entire length to our house, but they insisted on doing it that way, since I wanted a short length of pex at the entrance into the house. It does seem to work this way for me. I don't feel anything from the meter until I am almost right on top of it. I am still concerned, tho, about the meters and dishes going in everywhere later. Can you imagine smart meters X 3 or 4 utilities at every house???, plus the auto-reader satellite dishes on the telephone poles???? My only consolation is, I think sooner or later a solar storm is going to come along and fry all this crap. We can only collectively hope. ;) Diane --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:50 AM > I would be cautious about accepting > this. These pulses may > be hard to measure because they are so short... but if > they > repeat all night long it could be a problem, don't you > think? > > It should be easy to build some kind of reflector to keep > it > away from your house. Even chicken wire will make an > easily measurable reduction. > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:45 AM, <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > > puk replies - Gary please do not fall into this trap, > look at your daily > > exposure as a cumulative dose not each in isolation, > it all adds up what is > > > > the straw that breaks the camels back ! What when the > whole neighbourhood > > has them, and the utilities start to interrogate them > at will or randomly - > > > > you haven't thought this through. The wireless > industry has been given an > > inch and are taking a mile, all riding off an unsafe > technology, seemingly > > for every organism on the planet. As subtlety evolves > is inevitable that it > > > > will have a brain fart then what ! > > > > > > In a message dated 18/10/2010 03:38:57 GMT Daylight > Time, [hidden email]<gjohnson%40ksu.edu> > > writes: > > > > > > the same is true for the smart meter. I do not plan to > oppose the smart > > meter placement on my house since it appears to > irradiate me with a much > > lower total dosage than many other sources. > > > > Gary Johnson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all
> referring to? Maybe there are photos out there that show what a smart meter looks like? I know that they replaced the meter on my natural gas line a year or two ago, but I have no idea if the meter is "smart" or not! Marc |
Hi Marc,
Yeah, I suspect the utilities are calling more than one type of meter "smart meters" from what is being communicated here. I will have to check out my meter in the hole and compare it with a picture. Thanks. Good idea to check online. I was told by the gas company that their meter was specially made for me (so it is supposed to be fully analog). It is funny how some utilities appear to bend over backwards to make you happy and others will not budge from their agenda. Diane --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:52 PM > When you are talking "smart meters" which smart meter are you all > referring to? Maybe there are photos out there that show what a smart meter looks like? I know that they replaced the meter on my natural gas line a year or two ago, but I have no idea if the meter is "smart" or not! Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from
electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector. (New, improved models out soon, BTW,) In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that distance. In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly throughout the entire house. In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost continually. And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will know when you make your toast. And you may become toast. BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power, but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter. Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder if some signal is coming in via the water. Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Thanks for that info, Shivani,
I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself. I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure. Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter. (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there). The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe. The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters. HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion. Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house. So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both). Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Diane --- On Mon, 10/18/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector. (New, improved models out soon, BTW,) In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that distance. In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly throughout the entire house. In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost continually. And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will know when you make your toast. And you may become toast. BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power, but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter. Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder if some signal is coming in via the water. Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the
> water itself. And that may be the big problem with ELECTRICITY smart meters -- the RF frequencies emitted by the meter are now part of the electricity in your entire house. Marc |
From what I understand the rf rides on your wires right in to your home!
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:33 AM > I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the > water itself. And that may be the big problem with ELECTRICITY smart meters -- the RF frequencies emitted by the meter are now part of the electricity in your entire house. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thinking out loud, actually having a lot of questions on this,
I suppose and correct me if I'm wrong: the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house? > I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself. The emf from the smart meter can be in the water, so the water has a bad emf energy, the same as if you would put a cellphone next to a bottle of water it also has got bad emf energy and tastes bad as well, But the water itself can not emit emf I would say? Maybe in a feng shui kinda way, but not directly?! Or maybe the metal pipes (of water and gas)? Or the electricity grid (like Marc has mentioned here) enhancing the smart meter emf? I think that's most likely because the electricity grid is spread throughout the house and because it has got electricity running through it it's actually fortifying the emf... --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Thanks for that info, Shivani, >  > I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself. I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure.  Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? >  > I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter.  (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there). The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe. The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters. HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion. Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house. So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both). Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again, > Diane > --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote: > > > From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM > > >  > > > > I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from > electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector. > (New, improved models out soon, BTW,) > > In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall > from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end > of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that > distance. > > In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly > throughout the entire house. > > In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to > meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the > way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling > every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost > continually. > > And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate > broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will > know when you make your toast. And you may become toast. > > BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we > didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of > science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of > our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't > say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power, > but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one > that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter. > > Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to > PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder > if some signal is coming in via the water. > > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
>the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house? Yes it did! Yes it does! Loni --- On Tue, 10/19/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:17 PM Thinking out loud, actually having a lot of questions on this, I suppose and correct me if I'm wrong: the smart meter would enhance the "dirty emf" problem in your house? > I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself. The emf from the smart meter can be in the water, so the water has a bad emf energy, the same as if you would put a cellphone next to a bottle of water it also has got bad emf energy and tastes bad as well, But the water itself can not emit emf I would say? Maybe in a feng shui kinda way, but not directly?! Or maybe the metal pipes (of water and gas)? Or the electricity grid (like Marc has mentioned here) enhancing the smart meter emf? I think that's most likely because the electricity grid is spread throughout the house and because it has got electricity running through it it's actually fortifying the emf... --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Thanks for that info, Shivani, >  > I, too, wondered the same about smart meter frequencies being IN the water itself. I do still have some problems I am trying to work out, so I am not sure.  Which meter would most likely do the best job in detecting if this was a problem? >  > I do have "some" frequency problem in the basement corner where the gas and water pipes enter.  (I can feel it both inside and outside, tho the water pipes are 3 feet underground outside there). The gas company ran pex to our house also, alongside the pex water pipe. The gas company then installed an old type analog meter which they specially made for me (according to them) just outside the same corner where the water enters. HOWEVER, I wanted pex on the house side of the meter into the brick wall and they refused, stating a fire in the house could then cause a gas explosion. Metal gas pipes enter from the gas meter and go thru-out the house. So I am not sure whether the frequencies I can feel are coming from the water lines or the gas meter (or both). Any ideas you have for detecting the differences here are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again, > Diane > --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote: > > > From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM > > >  > > > > I have been able to clearly at quite some distance hear the signal from > electric company radio-broadcasting meters, using just an Electrosmog Detector. > (New, improved models out soon, BTW,) > > In one case, the meter had been installed smack on the other side of a wall > from the head of a bed. I told the folks to move the bed to the other end > of the room, but had to add that the signal sounded the same at that > distance. > > In another case, the signal was much stronger and could be heard similarly > throughout the entire house. > > In some places the meters are designed to pass on signal from meter to > meter, so signal from meters far from the pickup point is piggy-backed all the > way through the system. This means that instead of your meter signaling > every 6 seconds (or whatever rate is being used), it signals almost > continually. > > And if/when the Smart Grid goes into action, there will be a separate > broadcasting meter on every major appliance in your house. Big Brother will > know when you make your toast. And you may become toast. > > BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we > didn't accept a RF-broadcasting meter. I sent them e-mail after e-mail of > science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of > our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't > say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power, > but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one > that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter. > > Diane mentions the water co. burying her RF-broadcasting meter, attached to > PEX pipe. However, water is a terrifically good conductor. I'd wonder > if some signal is coming in via the water. > > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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This country is really going to H in a handbasket. The complex biz. re: Illuminati may be somewhat credible. I believe I got something from the water company re: installation of some sort of smart meter, but thus far I've just ignored it. Minni > --- On Mon, 10/18/10, SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> wrote: > > > From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter test > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 10:37 PM > > Â >BTW, our electric utility co. had said they'd turn off our power if we science showing the health effects from RF, and told them I was keep a record of our correspondence so that if/when the issue goes to court they couldn't say "We didn't know." They are no longer threatening to turn off our power, but say they are looking into a mutually satisfactory solution. -But, one that allows them to somehow use their RF-broadcasting meter.
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