smart meter indoor shielding?
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Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few questions I could use help ansewering...
#1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and isn't working. #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move farther from it, but I was just curious. Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! Deidra |
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I don't know much about shielding, but the cheapest ways are alu-foil or metal mosquito net?
I think the advantage of the mosquito net is that it doesn't reflect that much other emf? Charles advises to cover the smart meter with aluminium foil... I would definitely try that, it's probably the most effective and in the worst case scenario is that the government doesn't receive your smart meter signal anymore, and then you may have to remove the foil... I'm definitely not an aggressive type, but I think if they would install one in my house I wouldn't be able to resist destroying it with a hammer! Those smart meters that's a bit too much invasion of private property!... Or at least cut the power electricity source cable of the smart meter so it doesn't emit any emf anymore... You can always say it was vandalised by somebody else?! If a lot of smart meters are being destroyed that might just catch the government's attention... In the meantime the couple of days you don't have a smart meter you can also feel the difference, whether it's that much better... I'm wondering if you would cut the power of the smart meter only at night, if it would take a lot of time for the electricity company to notice it and check it out? I suppose they don't have a team that goes check out smart meters at night? Worth a try? Of course there are the smart meters of your neighbours, maybe we should show them a how-to-destroy video ;-) Regards question 3, 3 feet distance is still very very close... The further away the better but it's not like the emf stops at 2 feet, it lowers gradually... Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "dpestun" <deidra00@...> wrote: > > Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few questions I could use help ansewering... > > #1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. > > #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and isn't working. > > #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move farther from it, but I was just curious. > > Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! > Deidra > |
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A microwave absorber (on the interioir of the wall) would do nicely for the
RF signal. See http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#259N Unfortunately, to reduce the magnetic fields, you don't really have low cost options. Emil > --- In [hidden email], "dpestun" <deidra00@...> wrote: >> >> Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and >> it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed >> on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF >> signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, >> though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter >> made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so >> I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the >> house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few >> questions I could use help ansewering... >> >> #1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the >> inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet >> of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. >> >> #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the >> corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and >> the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house >> has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with >> municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and >> isn't working. >> >> #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from >> the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move >> farther from it, but I was just curious. >> >> Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! >> Deidra >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Sounds strange that they would put a smart meter up but not activate it. Doesn't make sense. Loni
--- On Wed, 11/3/10, dpestun <[hidden email]> wrote: From: dpestun <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] smart meter indoor shielding? To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 3:41 AM Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few questions I could use help ansewering... #1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and isn't working. #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move farther from it, but I was just curious. Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! Deidra [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I like the hammer solution. Probably the best one. Loni
--- On Wed, 11/3/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: smart meter indoor shielding? To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:43 AM I don't know much about shielding, but the cheapest ways are alu-foil or metal mosquito net? I think the advantage of the mosquito net is that it doesn't reflect that much other emf? Charles advises to cover the smart meter with aluminium foil... I would definitely try that, it's probably the most effective and in the worst case scenario is that the government doesn't receive your smart meter signal anymore, and then you may have to remove the foil... I'm definitely not an aggressive type, but I think if they would install one in my house I wouldn't be able to resist destroying it with a hammer! Those smart meters that's a bit too much invasion of private property!... Or at least cut the power electricity source cable of the smart meter so it doesn't emit any emf anymore... You can always say it was vandalised by somebody else?! If a lot of smart meters are being destroyed that might just catch the government's attention... In the meantime the couple of days you don't have a smart meter you can also feel the difference, whether it's that much better... I'm wondering if you would cut the power of the smart meter only at night, if it would take a lot of time for the electricity company to notice it and check it out? I suppose they don't have a team that goes check out smart meters at night? Worth a try? Of course there are the smart meters of your neighbours, maybe we should show them a how-to-destroy video ;-) Regards question 3, 3 feet distance is still very very close... The further away the better but it's not like the emf stops at 2 feet, it lowers gradually... Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "dpestun" <deidra00@...> wrote: > > Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few questions I could use help ansewering... > > #1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. > > #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and isn't working. > > #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move farther from it, but I was just curious. > > Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! > Deidra > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Your house electricity flows through the meter, smart or otherwise. You
destroy the meter, you are cold and dark. You destroy the meter 2 or 3 times, you are permanently cold and dark. Gary On 11/3/2010 8:43 AM, stephen_vandevijvere wrote: > I don't know much about shielding, but the cheapest ways are alu-foil or metal mosquito net? > > I think the advantage of the mosquito net is that it doesn't reflect that much other emf? > > Charles advises to cover the smart meter with aluminium foil... I would definitely try that, it's probably the most effective and in the worst case scenario is that the government doesn't receive your smart meter signal anymore, and then you may have to remove the foil... > > I'm definitely not an aggressive type, but I think if they would install one in my house I wouldn't be able to resist destroying it with a hammer! Those smart meters that's a bit too much invasion of private property!... Or at least cut the power electricity source cable of the smart meter so it doesn't emit any emf anymore... You can always say it was vandalised by somebody else?! If a lot of smart meters are being destroyed that might just catch the government's attention... In the meantime the couple of days you don't have a smart meter you can also feel the difference, whether it's that much better... > > I'm wondering if you would cut the power of the smart meter only at night, if it would take a lot of time for the electricity company to notice it and check it out? I suppose they don't have a team that goes check out smart meters at night? Worth a try? > > Of course there are the smart meters of your neighbours, maybe we should show them a how-to-destroy video ;-) > > Regards question 3, 3 feet distance is still very very close... The further away the better but it's not like the emf stops at 2 feet, it lowers gradually... > > Stephen. > > > --- In [hidden email], "dpestun"<deidra00@...> wrote: >> Thank you all for your talks on smart meters. I've learned so much and it has prompted me to do my own research. I have a smart meter installed on my bedroom wall, but it is not yet operating like a smart meter (no RF signal pulses yet). This is to come next year where I live I guess, though I hope to stop it at least on my house. It is a digital meter made by Itron. It was here when we moved in and I was ignorant of it so I've slept near it for years. I am becoming increasingly ES and feel the house is at fault. We can't afford to move unfortunately. A few questions I could use help ansewering... >> >> #1. What is the cheapest way to shield that wall for now from the inside? I have a cheap Cell Sensor meter and it goes nuts within 2 feet of that wall. I can't afford MuMetal. >> >> #2. I also have the house circuit breaker box in the basement under the corner of that room. Can I use the same shileding for both the wall and the floor? Do I have to ground the shielding? If so, how? The house has no grounding rods that I know of and I live in a small village with municipal water, so I assume grounding is to the pipes...which is BS and isn't working. >> >> #3. Am I relatively out of the danger zone if I sleep about 3 feet from the meter without shielding? I still want to shield it and I can't move farther from it, but I was just curious. >> >> Thanks for any replies and advice in advance! >> Deidra >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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> Your house electricity flows through the meter, smart or otherwise. You
> destroy the meter, you are cold and dark. You destroy the meter 2 or 3 > times, you are permanently cold and dark. > > Gary Exactly Gary...my only option right now is indoor shielding. ~I can't even turn off my circuit breaker box at night much less destroy the electric meter! We have a gas furnace and a pellet fuel stove and both need electricity to heat the house. It's in the low 30's outside now. Shielding outdoor with aluminum foil will do nothing as I'm trying to now deal with the high magnetic field coming into my bedroom. There's no RF signal for at least another few months. This part of Michigan hasn't gone live yet. They're testing it in Jackson, MI only this year. Consumers Energy is still trying to get all the meters replaced to 'smart' capable ones first. They're a small outfit so luckily don't have the money to do it fast. Just heard some good news a few months ago that they're scrapping the plan to make the gas meters 'smart' because of the economy..and luckily our small town is poor enough not to want 'smart' water meters. My meter is an Itron Centron Digital meter which is currently only readable by a handheld device pointed at it by the meter reader. As far as I know the RF module is not installed in it yet. If it was I believe I would be able to tell by reading the model number on the face of the meter. So far it just reads C1S which is the standard 'nonsmart' digital meter. So, what are my options to shield magnetic fields other than Mumetal? Do I need to ground the shieldings by a rod outdoors in the ground since the house isn't grounded well? Will the shielding reflect anything inside the house and possibly make the sleeping situation worse? Thanks! Deidra |
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It is extremely difficult to shield against low frequency magnetic
fields. About all you can do is to reduce the flow of current and maintain maximum distance from the wires. Low frequency magnetic fields make me ill so I try to stay in low magnetic field environments. The smart meter should not change the low frequency magnetic fields in the house. The only additional electromagnetic load your body will see is the cell phone activity of the smart meter. My guess is that the cell phone will be on only a minute or two total per day. If the smart meter cell phone bothers you and a regular cell phone does not, we have an important clue about the exact nature of what it is about electricity that impacts us negatively. Gary On 11/5/2010 6:46 AM, dpestun wrote: >> Your house electricity flows through the meter, smart or otherwise. You >> destroy the meter, you are cold and dark. You destroy the meter 2 or 3 >> times, you are permanently cold and dark. >> >> Gary > > Exactly Gary...my only option right now is indoor shielding. > ~I can't even turn off my circuit breaker box at night much less destroy the electric meter! We have a gas furnace and a pellet fuel stove and both need electricity to heat the house. It's in the low 30's outside now. > Shielding outdoor with aluminum foil will do nothing as I'm trying to now deal with the high magnetic field coming into my bedroom. There's no RF signal for at least another few months. This part of Michigan hasn't gone live yet. They're testing it in Jackson, MI only this year. Consumers Energy is still trying to get all the meters replaced to 'smart' capable ones first. They're a small outfit so luckily don't have the money to do it fast. Just heard some good news a few months ago that they're scrapping the plan to make the gas meters 'smart' because of the economy..and luckily our small town is poor enough not to want 'smart' water meters. My meter is an Itron Centron Digital meter which is currently only readable by a handheld device pointed at it by the meter reader. As far as I know the RF module is not installed in it yet. If it was I believe I would be able to tell by reading the model number on the face of the meter. So far it just reads C1S which is the sta > ndard 'nonsmart' digital meter. > So, what are my options to shield magnetic fields other than Mumetal? Do I need to ground the shieldings by a rod outdoors in the ground since the house isn't grounded well? Will the shielding reflect anything inside the house and possibly make the sleeping situation worse? Thanks! > Deidra > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Hi Gary,
I'm interested in what you are saying about low freq. emf's. I just paid $2,000 to sheild my bedroom with the paint sheilding so I might be able to sleep in there. We grounded the paint with the magnetic tape. I am still getting reactions in the bedroom. burning skin, nervousness etc. Is it just impossible to sheild the low freq's.Or what do you think is going on?. The test was low on the RF meter but that test was done before all the smart meters went in in the neghborhood Loni --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: smart meter indoor shielding? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 7:45 PM It is extremely difficult to shield against low frequency magnetic fields. About all you can do is to reduce the flow of current and maintain maximum distance from the wires. Low frequency magnetic fields make me ill so I try to stay in low magnetic field environments. The smart meter should not change the low frequency magnetic fields in the house. The only additional electromagnetic load your body will see is the cell phone activity of the smart meter. My guess is that the cell phone will be on only a minute or two total per day. If the smart meter cell phone bothers you and a regular cell phone does not, we have an important clue about the exact nature of what it is about electricity that impacts us negatively. Gary On 11/5/2010 6:46 AM, dpestun wrote: >> Your house electricity flows through the meter, smart or otherwise. You >> destroy the meter, you are cold and dark. You destroy the meter 2 or 3 >> times, you are permanently cold and dark. >> >> Gary > > Exactly Gary...my only option right now is indoor shielding. > ~I can't even turn off my circuit breaker box at night much less destroy the electric meter! We have a gas furnace and a pellet fuel stove and both need electricity to heat the house. It's in the low 30's outside now. > Shielding outdoor with aluminum foil will do nothing as I'm trying to now deal with the high magnetic field coming into my bedroom. There's no RF signal for at least another few months. This part of Michigan hasn't gone live yet. They're testing it in Jackson, MI only this year. Consumers Energy is still trying to get all the meters replaced to 'smart' capable ones first. They're a small outfit so luckily don't have the money to do it fast. Just heard some good news a few months ago that they're scrapping the plan to make the gas meters 'smart' because of the economy..and luckily our small town is poor enough not to want 'smart' water meters. My meter is an Itron Centron Digital meter which is currently only readable by a handheld device pointed at it by the meter reader. As far as I know the RF module is not installed in it yet. If it was I believe I would be able to tell by reading the model number on the face of the meter. So far it just reads C1S which is the sta > ndard 'nonsmart' digital meter. > So, what are my options to shield magnetic fields other than Mumetal? Do I need to ground the shieldings by a rod outdoors in the ground since the house isn't grounded well? Will the shielding reflect anything inside the house and possibly make the sleeping situation worse? Thanks! > Deidra > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Your paint shielding will be most effective on electric fields, both low
and high frequencies. It will also help against the high frequency magnetic fields that are part of a propagating electromagnetic wave. This includes radio waves, cell phone signals, wi-fi, etc. that have coupled electric and magnetic fields. It will have negligible effect on low frequency magnetic fields. The problem is that we do not know the exact mechanism by which electricity causes the effects that you and I experience. There is a real possibility that the worst effects are from a narrow range of field strengths. Either higher or lower field strengths would be more tolerable than some intermediate value. The parallel situation would be the necessary value of current flow through the chest cavity to cause death by electrocution. It turns out that this value is between 0.05 and 0.1 Amp, which causes the heart to go into fibrillation. Less current is either observed with a tingling sensation or not observed at all. Greater current causes the heart to clamp. The heart usually resumes a normal rhythm when the current is interrupted. The associated damage of burnt flesh, etc. may be greater at higher currents, but the person is still alive. Gary On 11/7/2010 12:51 PM, Loni wrote: > Hi Gary, > > I'm interested in what you are saying about low freq. emf's. I just paid $2,000 to sheild my bedroom with the paint sheilding so I might be able to sleep in there. We grounded the paint with the magnetic tape. I am still getting reactions in the bedroom. burning skin, nervousness etc. > > Is it just impossible to sheild the low freq's.Or what do you think is going on?. The test was low on the RF meter but that test was done before all the smart meters went in in the neghborhood > > Loni > > > > --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Gary Johnson<[hidden email]> wrote: > > > From: Gary Johnson<[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: smart meter indoor shielding? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > > > It is extremely difficult to shield against low frequency magnetic > fields. About all you can do is to reduce the flow of current and > maintain maximum distance from the wires. Low frequency magnetic fields > make me ill so I try to stay in low magnetic field environments. > > The smart meter should not change the low frequency magnetic fields in > the house. The only additional electromagnetic load your body will see > is the cell phone activity of the smart meter. My guess is that the cell > phone will be on only a minute or two total per day. If the smart meter > cell phone bothers you and a regular cell phone does not, we have an > important clue about the exact nature of what it is about electricity > that impacts us negatively. > > Gary > > On 11/5/2010 6:46 AM, dpestun wrote: >>> Your house electricity flows through the meter, smart or otherwise. You >>> destroy the meter, you are cold and dark. You destroy the meter 2 or 3 >>> times, you are permanently cold and dark. >>> >>> Gary >> Exactly Gary...my only option right now is indoor shielding. >> ~I can't even turn off my circuit breaker box at night much less destroy the electric meter! We have a gas furnace and a pellet fuel stove and both need electricity to heat the house. It's in the low 30's outside now. >> Shielding outdoor with aluminum foil will do nothing as I'm trying to now deal with the high magnetic field coming into my bedroom. There's no RF signal for at least another few months. This part of Michigan hasn't gone live yet. They're testing it in Jackson, MI only this year. Consumers Energy is still trying to get all the meters replaced to 'smart' capable ones first. They're a small outfit so luckily don't have the money to do it fast. Just heard some good news a few months ago that they're scrapping the plan to make the gas meters 'smart' because of the economy..and luckily our small town is poor enough not to want 'smart' water meters. My meter is an Itron Centron Digital meter which is currently only readable by a handheld device pointed at it by the meter reader. As far as I know the RF module is not installed in it yet. If it was I believe I would be able to tell by reading the model number on the face of the meter. So far it just reads C1S > which is the sta >> ndard 'nonsmart' digital meter. >> So, what are my options to shield magnetic fields other than Mumetal? Do I need to ground the shieldings by a rod outdoors in the ground since the house isn't grounded well? Will the shielding reflect anything inside the house and possibly make the sleeping situation worse? Thanks! >> Deidra >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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