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Lynnezhu
Lots of smart gas meters installed here in Michigan whose purpose (the utility says) is to communicate gas readings to the electrical smart meters.  So they say lower strength transmission compared with elec. smart meters.  

I can pick up frequency from the electrical smart meters just fine...with my 35C and others BUT AM UNABLE TO PICK UP ANYTHING WITH ANY OF MY METERS (INCLUDING CORNET) FROM THE GAS SMART METERS.

Does anyone know the frequency they transmit?  Has anyone been able to pick up transmissions from with a meter...?
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Michigan has a great smart meter group whose website can be found at http://www.smartmetereducationnetwork.com/smart-meter-health-effects.php

Perhaps they know exactly what the gas company is using in your area.

The gas company in a town near me just 'upgraded' their gas meters to Itron 100G.  The face plate from the front appears just the same as the old non-transmitting gas meters, but instead of being only 1/2" thick the smart ones are about 3" deep to accommodate the transmitter and usually display on the top or bottom a 40G or 100G sticker.

An HF35C readily picked up the 100G pulses which maxed out the meter's read capacity about every 10 seconds.  I could feel the difference in the neighborhood and house I visit right after these were installed. 




From: Lynnezhu [via ES] <ml-node+[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:42 PM
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Lots of smart gas meters installed here in Michigan whose purpose (the utility says) is to communicate gas readings to the electrical smart meters.  So they say lower strength transmission compared with elec. smart meters.  

I can pick up frequency from the electrical smart meters just fine...with my 35C and others BUT AM UNABLE TO PICK UP ANYTHING WITH ANY OF MY METERS (INCLUDING CORNET) FROM THE GAS SMART METERS.

Does anyone know the frequency they transmit?  Has anyone been able to pick up transmissions from with a meter...?


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Maybe those gas meters don't transmit much, and you're just missing the time when they do.

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April R
we got the new ones a few months ago and it has not been the same since.  The guy assured my dad they were not 'smart' but our trifield readings would indicate otherwise, although in the installer's defense it's probably a 'turtle', just one-way for right now.
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Is your Trifield indicating RF from your meter?  My Trifield is excellent for magnetic field reads, but the only RF it "sees" is that from a microwave oven, but for wifi or other wireless devices it's useless.  A high frequency meter is needed for wireless reads.


Turtle is a type of power line communication used by electric providers.  A smart gas meter has a transmitter inside which may be programmed in a 'wake-up' or 'bubble-up' mode.  Wake-up mode only transmits when prodded by an external device; bubble-up mode transmits continuously.  The older smart gas meters used in our area were 40G, but they have been upgraded to 100G.  These new ones transmit every second and numerous people are being affected by them.




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we got the new ones a few months ago and it has not been the same since.  The guy assured my dad they were not 'smart' but our trifield readings would indicate otherwise, although in the installer's defense it's probably a 'turtle', just one-way for right now.


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April R
magnetic only, never had much luck with anything else.  It has to be a 'bubble-up', though.
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Not sure if I've posted this before, but this is a good explanation of the ERT (smart) gas meters now being installed http://emrabc.ca/?page_id=4977

Notice that one is an external box with a wire leading to the old analog gas meter.  A family member has one of these and it transmits RF constantly.

The Open-way Itron gas meter pulses constantly at 2.4 GHz.

The 40G Itrons that were originally used in our town operated in the 900MHz range.  Some meters pulsed continuously in the bubble-up mode while others only pulsed when prodded.  However, these meters were just 'upgraded' with the 100G Itron ERT modules.  They all pulse non-stop and every 8 seconds maxed out the read capacity of an HF35C.

An ES lady was able to get the gas company to return a non-transmitting module, however she has become very ill since her surrounding neighbors have the upgrading transmitting modules.

April, do you have a health professional who will write a letter stating you have environmental sensitivities and need a non-transmitting gas meter?  If so, I can send you a letter that the ES lady used successfully to get her gas company to remove the transmitter.  If you have close neighbors you may have to ask for removal of their transmitters.  




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magnetic only, never had much luck with anything else.  It has to be a 'bubble-up', though.


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Lynnezhu
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what does this mean?  magnetic only?  not transmitting?  referring to meter to read?  
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A gaussmeter such as a Trifield is needed for measuring magnetic fields which is a different type of EMF than pulsed high frequency RF.  Magnetic fields radiate from appliances - refrigerators are horrid (dishwashers are very high even when not in use and the circuit turned after use), electric cords, house wiring, power lines, motors, etc.  When I first was first affected with ES, I mistakenly thought the whole problem was RF, but since have found out that I am severely affected by magnetic fields and even moved because the entire neighborhood had an elevated magnetic field coming from the power company using earth as a neutral.


Some good info can be found here about recommended magnetic field limits although many ES people need lower levels in order to feel good than what's considered safe.

http://www.emfwise.com/powerline.php

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Powerline (AC) Magnetic Fields. When an appliance is turned on, there will be a powerline magnetic field, due to current, which can be measured by an AC gaussmeter in ...