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This is a good point. I would add that any field weaker than the
threshold of your meters won't be found by them, so a zero field
reading might not be accurate enough to preclude electrosensitivity
reactions.

An electrosensitive may be more sensitive than the meters or sensitive
to field conditions the meters aren't designed to measure (or perhaps
can't be measured by any meter, presently). This one of the real
difficulties electrosensitives face. You may be encountering one of
these situations here, straitguy.

As an example, since a TriField meter only displays a time-averaged
and frequency-weighted reading, you get meager knowledge about a
field's time varying behavior or which frequencies that field is
actually comprised of.    

And DC and low frequency magnetic fields are very hard to shield
against. Shielding in this context is actually attenuation not
elimination. So it's possible to build a shield that reduces the
field below meter sensitivity but not yours. And I don't know of any
technique of shielding against the magnetic vector potential.

I hope you can find something that works for you so you can be in that
space, but if it poses a significant hit to your health limiting your
time there may be the only solution until you've found a way to reduce
your sensitivity.

-Beau

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Hey all, Has anyone heard whether the US Access Advisory Board is
implementing the suggestions given concerning ensuring access for
those with CS and ES? (I think Andrew mentioned a group that
submitted recommendations last year?)

Thx,
Beau

Yes I am quite aware of the abilities of the chips once they are inside
the body (control emotions, give you thoughts and voices, etc)
Andrew

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:02 PM
> Subject: [eSens] RFID
>
>
>> It is all of our jobs to raise awareness around RFID chips. It is not
>> inevitable unless we believe it to be.
>> http://www.spychips.com/
>> I think my illness has given me the gift of knowledge I otherwise may
>> not have seen or felt.
>> Andrew

>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "espaules" <espaules@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:48 AM
>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: skin lesions to face
>>>
>>>
>>>> RFID DEVICES ARE V. POPULAR THESE DAYS
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "espaules" <espaules@...>
>>>>> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: [eSens] skin lesions to face
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have posted 2 photos of my ugly mug (in part) to show the
>>>> lesions
>>>>>> that I develop on my cheeks and temples when exposed to
>>>> flourescent
>>>>>> lights and computer screens I also get small sore white pussy
>>>> spots at
>>>>>> sebacious gland zones which appear within a couple of hours of
>>>> what I
>>>>>> feel/know as high exposure to emr. I wont mention what happens
>>>> when I
>>>>>> used an ordinary phone let alone a mobile!
>>>>>> I also have a discernable lump in the mastoid area behind my left
>>>> ear
>>>>>> which becomes more achey after such exposure (possibly due to
>>>> increased
>>>>>> muscle tension due to stress imposed by es symptoms) ironically I
>>>> have
>>>>>> bi lateral tinitus which is much worse in the right ear !
>>>> constant high
>>>>>> pitch which more recently has another overlay that
>>>> ossilates/woors at
>>>>>> higher pitch and changes pitch. My med notes detail the former as
>>>> being
>>>>>> due to loss of hearing at 4000hz ? All the above symptoms which
>>>> are
>>>>>> just the tip of the melting iceberg have been exacerbated by
>>>> taking on
>>>>>> a new contract which involves driving and computer/officework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HELP ! my money or my health what is it to be ? I am sure that
>>>> you can
>>>>>> understand the depressing feeling of not being able to get on
>>>> with your
>>>>>> life when you are on the ES tether ! I am highly
>>>> trained/experienced at
>>>>>> my work and have a great desire to do my best but every time I
>>>> try to
>>>>>> pick myself up and do what I am good at I find myself scuppered
>>>> once
>>>>>> again as to sit in a flourescent lighted office in from of a pc is
>>>>>> after a short while as good as torture to me !! A simple request
>>>> from
>>>>>> my newly aquired boss asking me to spend a whole day in the
>>>> office to
>>>>>> sort some work out makes me loss the will to live(well not quite)
>>>> again
>>>>>> even though the job is contract I find myself getting ready to
>>>> tell my
>>>>>> boss "i have got something to tell you" and its anyones guess what
>>>>>> happens next!
>>>>>>
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--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

In response to one of the other posts a little note on tachyon energy: it claims to be the source of all frequencies, the closest thing to zero-point energy to be captured in matter/// so not one frequency , it then can also not be too much, like magnets can, // although detox reactions can happen.. for me the claim the ultimate outcome is always positive was not proven wrong.. It helped get out of quite a bind..

Cocoon can really help by problems in spine! as can chi machine.. balance the chakra's that are pulled out of balance! helped my kundalini problems.. (or was it flipping implants?? or both)


answer to post below:
Can be deactivated and removed from the body by prayer/intent. If His angels are on your side none of that can hold up.. however hopeless it seems.. and it did (even christians sometimes seem to think that there are things He cannot help with, it is especially these things He does)


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e:
Yes I am quite aware of the abilities of the chips once they are inside
the body (control emotions, give you thoughts and voices, etc)
Andrew

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:02 PM
> Subject: [eSens] RFID
>
>
>> It is all of our jobs to raise awareness around RFID chips. It is not
>> inevitable unless we believe it to be.
>> http://www.spychips.com/
>> I think my illness has given me the gift of knowledge I otherwise may
>> not have seen or felt.
>> Andrew
>> On Feb 22, 2006, at 9:44 AM, m.a.norman wrote:
>>
>>> They're going to become more so. I read in the news this
>>> morning the new ID cards that will be enforced here in 2014
>>> are to have radio chips in them. Surprise, surprise.
>>>
>>> I'm just one of the people, I believe, who have suffered and
>>> been used to perfect this evil, controlling technology.
>>>
>>> Maureen
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "espaules" <espaules@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:48 AM
>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: skin lesions to face
>>>
>>>
>>>> RFID DEVICES ARE V. POPULAR THESE DAYS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you checked your dental x-rays, and taken digital photos of
>>>> them
>>>>> which you can zoom into? They may reveal a multitude of sins.
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted a digital photograph I took of my dental x-ray. It's my
>>>> tooth
>>>>> root which are quite clear. The dentist who did this was in at a
>>>>> practise at a place called Leicester when she filled two roots. As
>>>> you
>>>>> can see one of these 'foreign bodies' is placed almost at the end
>>>> of the
>>>>> tooth root and the other is alongside it further up on the upper
>>>> jaw. I've
>>>>> thought many times of the occasion when she was working on this
>>>>> root
>>>>> filling when she kept taking me back and forth to x-ray room. She
>>>> seemed
>>>>> very excited.as she did it. And yes I did complain both verbally
>>>> and in
>>>>> writing. Then I paid my bill for this!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is these things that were put on my tooth root and in my upper
>>>> jaw
>>>>> that I believe have caused me so many problems over the years with
>>>>> severe tinnitus that has, at times, been totally disabling.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now we have a dentist problem here which we never had as
>>>>> over the past few years dentists here in the UK have left their
>>>> practices
>>>>> in droves so that now many people no longer have a dentist. And
>>>> it's
>>>>> so bad as they leave foreign dentist are taking their place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe I'm unique by any means and, who in the future,
>>>> will be
>>>>> responsible for what is being put into the fillings and tooth roots
>>>> of
>>>>> unsuspecting people, as the dentist who did these things have moved
>>>> on?
>>>>>
>>>>> This, combined with a 'neighbour' situation I have is at times
>>>> unbearable.
>>>>> Every room in my home is affected one way or another and I'm not
>>>> only
>>>>> getting pollution coming through from next door into my home, but
>>>> also
>>>>> radiation that leaves me with 'sunburn', also high levels of emf
>>>> that I
>>>>> now believe are created when whatever technology it is they're
>>>>> using
>>>>> is run, which goes through my home in surges even when the electric
>>>> is
>>>>> switched off at the mains. When it's bad it leaves me in great
>>>> pain and
>>>>> I've found that each time it's done now (I have a TriField meter
>>>> that
>>>>> is able to monitor the emf), it gets worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe many of us here are suffering from experimentation which
>>>> is
>>>>> now known about and condoned. Without any thought for our human
>>>>> rights to live in our home and community in peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "espaules" <espaules@...>
>>>>> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: [eSens] skin lesions to face
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have posted 2 photos of my ugly mug (in part) to show the
>>>> lesions
>>>>>> that I develop on my cheeks and temples when exposed to
>>>> flourescent
>>>>>> lights and computer screens I also get small sore white pussy
>>>> spots at
>>>>>> sebacious gland zones which appear within a couple of hours of
>>>> what I
>>>>>> feel/know as high exposure to emr. I wont mention what happens
>>>> when I
>>>>>> used an ordinary phone let alone a mobile!
>>>>>> I also have a discernable lump in the mastoid area behind my left
>>>> ear
>>>>>> which becomes more achey after such exposure (possibly due to
>>>> increased
>>>>>> muscle tension due to stress imposed by es symptoms) ironically I
>>>> have
>>>>>> bi lateral tinitus which is much worse in the right ear !
>>>> constant high
>>>>>> pitch which more recently has another overlay that
>>>> ossilates/woors at
>>>>>> higher pitch and changes pitch. My med notes detail the former as
>>>> being
>>>>>> due to loss of hearing at 4000hz ? All the above symptoms which
>>>> are
>>>>>> just the tip of the melting iceberg have been exacerbated by
>>>> taking on
>>>>>> a new contract which involves driving and computer/officework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HELP ! my money or my health what is it to be ? I am sure that
>>>> you can
>>>>>> understand the depressing feeling of not being able to get on
>>>> with your
>>>>>> life when you are on the ES tether ! I am highly
>>>> trained/experienced at
>>>>>> my work and have a great desire to do my best but every time I
>>>> try to
>>>>>> pick myself up and do what I am good at I find myself scuppered
>>>> once
>>>>>> again as to sit in a flourescent lighted office in from of a pc is
>>>>>> after a short while as good as torture to me !! A simple request
>>>> from
>>>>>> my newly aquired boss asking me to spend a whole day in the
>>>> office to
>>>>>> sort some work out makes me loss the will to live(well not quite)
>>>> again
>>>>>> even though the job is contract I find myself getting ready to
>>>> tell my
>>>>>> boss "i have got something to tell you" and its anyones guess what
>>>>>> happens next!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
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My approach is a little different than your perhaps. Maybe not. I don't have any diagnostic tools. I do not have access to doctors. I was very very ill only five or six years ago. And today I am nearly fully recovered. My strategy has been to try everything. And continue to do what works and not do anything that doesn't work or that harms. When I try something I see how it makes me feel. Many times the initial trial will tell me something. The effect may not last. I would like to know what is out there and what they are supposed to do. Whether they are intended to treat magnetic, electric, microwave, whatever. I will try just about anything to experiment with it just to see what it does. I'm not trying to diagnose myself first. If there are floor covers or mats out there I will try them if there is some sort of claim made about them that they help with any one of the electrical problems, whether electrical or magnetic. I have two steel I beams under my floor. I live in a house with aluminum siding. I've grounded the I beams and the siding at different places. I have filters, harmonizers and shielding. The house is very livable now and doesn't make me sick anymore. Yet there are a few things left and the floor in that room is one of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Less EMF Inc.
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] floor mats


Here's the problem: if the meter reads zero, then what type of shielding is
appropriate? Electric? Magnetic? RF? On what basis will you choose? And how
will you know where to position it?

Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the equipment turned off?
Do you get the symptoms in that room with all the power in the house turned
off?

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: "straitguy" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] floor mats


> Thanks for the info. But I'll do my own thinking. It is something
electrical if it only happens in that room where my equipment is at. If you
have a product I'm willing to hear about that. on
> the floor in the area where my feet rest in that room. No readings of
any
> kind. I placed it next to my equipment and I only get high magnetic
fields.
> When I sit at the desk that is in that room where all my equipment,
spare
> computer is at I start to feel a burning in my feet and I instinctively
lift
> them off the floor and put them under me on the chair. I'm not sure
where
> it is coming from, what it is exactly. The receivers in that room pull
in
> signals from all my satellite dishes. There may be some microwave as
well
> as magnetic. The monitor in that room is an LED. I think that is
electric
> field, right? So I may be getting something of all kinds here. Maybe
my
> trifield just can't pick them up. But with everything on in that room I
> only get magnetic field readings from my equipment. No microwave or
> electric at all. Still, my feet tell me I'm getting something. If it
were
> magnetic field would it be able to spread across the floor like that?
Do
> they make any products for magnetic fields that you can put on the
floor?
> Thanks.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Less EMF Inc.
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] floor mats
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> > It depends on what is causing the sensation that you are
experiencing: This can
> > effectively neutralize ground currents? If so, what kind did you
try
> and
> > did any of them work? Which ones were the best? I have a room with
all
> my
> > satellite receivers inside a faraday cage. Other equipment as well,
> such
> > as computers, also inside metal boxes up off the floor and grounded.
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So, you wrote about *two steel I beams under my floor*.

They may be probably magnetic (DC), and that may have an enormous impact on
electrosensibles.
Grounding may help a little bit, but not enough.
Only shielding with Mu-metal may help.

Or staying as far away as you can.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "straitguy" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 21:49
Subject: Re: [eSens] floor mats

Thanks for the info. There is no doubt about what you say. It has been pointed out before that the LED tv's give off high frequency fields. All I know is that I can feel something coming from them. Not as much as when I first got them. I've become used to them and I don't notice anymore expecially since I have glare screens and grounded electric screens. My meter reads zero on all three scales. I used to have the same problem in all room of my house that I still have in this one room. I'm thinking it has to be from the receivers. They are nearly all in that one room now. I only pick up magnetic fields but would guess there is probably more than just magnetic fields in that room. Maybe something that I can put on the floor underneath faraday cages and the cords that can be grounded?
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Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: floor mats


This is a good point. I would add that any field weaker than the
threshold of your meters won't be found by them, so a zero field
reading might not be accurate enough to preclude electrosensitivity
reactions.

An electrosensitive may be more sensitive than the meters or sensitive
to field conditions the meters aren't designed to measure (or perhaps
can't be measured by any meter, presently). This one of the real
difficulties electrosensitives face. You may be encountering one of
these situations here, straitguy.

As an example, since a TriField meter only displays a time-averaged
and frequency-weighted reading, you get meager knowledge about a
field's time varying behavior or which frequencies that field is
actually comprised of.

And DC and low frequency magnetic fields are very hard to shield
against. Shielding in this context is actually attenuation not
elimination. So it's possible to build a shield that reduces the
field below meter sensitivity but not yours. And I don't know of any
technique of shielding against the magnetic vector potential.

I hope you can find something that works for you so you can be in that
space, but if it poses a significant hit to your health limiting your
time there may be the only solution until you've found a way to reduce
your sensitivity.

-Beau

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