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reply to Quaixeman re. moving

SArjuna

In a message dated 10/5/05 6:17:12 AM, [hidden email] writes:

Quaixeman wrote:
> When I was thinking of moving I was taking along with me a tri-field
> meter and the meter that you can buy from the place where you
> purcheased the graham-stetzer filters.  I would plug them into the
> outlets in the places where I would consider moving to and look for 10
> or lower.  And I would definitely avoid places near any cell towers or
> microwave towers.
>
The Trifield is useless except for reading magnetic fields. It's much
more important to be able to locate electric fields, as these exist in so
many places where theee is no magnetic field and will contain whatever damaging
high frequencies are present in your household wiring. (Or whatever they
have jumped onto before your first Stetzer filter.)
Good luck finding 10 or lower! Have you found it? I found that low
only in one spot so far, a commune in very rural Minnesota. But yes,
checking with the Stetzer meter is good.
Also, now that they are starting to disguise microwave towers (A cell
tower IS a microwave tower.) you can't just look for them with your eyes, you
need to meter.
(I can recommend a good meter for that, by the way, as I have just
received a good one and am planning on becoming a rep. for it. Feel freeto
e-mail me privately if you are interested.)
Anyway, for most people it makes more sense to clean up the house you
are already in than to move, as it's now pretty much a blue world.
Regards,
Shivani


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Re: Good meter

Marc Martin
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> Also, now that they are starting to disguise microwave towers (A cell
> tower IS a microwave tower.) you can't just look for them with your eyes,
> you need to meter.
> (I can recommend a good meter for that, by the way, as I have just
> received a good one and am planning on becoming a rep. for it

You're certainly welcome to tell us all what this good meter is,
Shivani... I have nothing against making recommendations on this
list.

Marc

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Re: Good meter

canaryyuk
yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I guess it
must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which registers RF
fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more sensitive
than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.

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Re: reply to Quaixeman re. moving

quaixemen
In reply to this post by SArjuna
--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
>

> >
> The Trifield is useless except for reading magnetic fields.  
It's much
> more important to be able to locate electric fields, as these
exist in so
> many places where theee is no magnetic field and will contain
whatever damaging
> high frequencies are present in your household wiring. (Or
whatever they
> have jumped onto before your first Stetzer filter.)
>
my trifield supposedly gives me readings for electric, magnetic and
microwave. I have rarely ever gotten any reading on the electric
readings. But anyway, what meter do you suggest for getting the
electric fields?


Good luck finding 10 or lower! Have you found it? I found
that low
> only in one spot so far, a commune in very rural Minnesota.

No I have never found one that low before. Not even in my own house
after the stetzer filters have been installed. But I've heard of
someone who was getting a reading of 17 before any filters were
installed and were getting really low readings after they were
installed. I would like to find something that low myself.
>  

Also, now that they are starting to disguise microwave towers (A
cell
> tower IS a microwave tower.) you can't just look for them with your
eyes, you
> need to meter.
> (I can recommend a good meter for that, by the way, as I have
just
> received a good one and am planning on becoming a rep. for it.    
Feel free to
> e-mail me privately if you are interested.)
>      
I usually don't get much of a reading on cell towers along the
highway on I-70 between K.C. and St. Louis where I drive each day.  
There are lots of towers. Some places there are three and four right
next to each other. And there is usually always one that I can see
either in the rear view mirror or up ahead of me in the distance. I
wondered if cell towers could be detected by my meter or if I was too
far away and that was why they didn't register. They don't really do
much to my tri-field when it is on the microwave setting. There is
one spot just on the edge of Columbia, Mo that caused my meter to
jump way up on the mircrowave setting as I drove by on the highway
but it wasn't near a tower. I'm curious as to what it was. But I
really don't have any use for a meter for this. But as I said above,
I'd be interested in a meter that can locate the high frequency
electric currents. Any recommendations?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: Good meter

Drasko Cvijovic
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I don't remeber what A Com was, but I think it was not English one, not
comparable neither by price nor by characteristcs to other affordable
meters... Try Gigahertz or AAronia.

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:53 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter


> yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I guess it
> must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which registers RF
> fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
> 0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more sensitive
> than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.
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Re: Good meter

charles-4
One should not believe all those specifications they write down and post on
the internet.

The Acom is british make, but they have stopped production.
It is a listening device.
Its successor is the Electrosmog Detector, which also claims a high
sensitivity.
I have one and am disappointed by its sensitivity.
It is no meter.
It is no detector.
It is a listening device, but inadequate for electrosensible people.
It gives a false sense of safety (in my opinion)

If you want a good listening device, look at the Esmog Spion or the HF
Digitmeter II (www.priggen.com)

If you want a good meter with trustable readings, look at Gigahertz
Solutions.
For starters, the HF 35C is good.

Above meters are only for high frequency or radio waves or micro waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus





----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 13:18
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Good meter


>
> I don't remeber what A Com was, but I think it was not English one, not
> comparable neither by price nor by characteristcs to other affordable
> meters... Try Gigahertz or AAronia.
>
> Drasko
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:53 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter
>
>
> > yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I guess it
> > must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which registers RF
> > fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
> > 0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more sensitive
> > than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.

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Re: Good meter

Emil at Less EMF Inc
In reply to this post by canaryyuk
Hi,

The EM EYE, Sprectran HF6060, and lower cost HF Detector are all more
sensitive. See http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html for details.

Emil


----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter


> yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I guess it
> must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which registers RF
> fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
> 0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more sensitive
> than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Re: reply to Quaixeman re. moving

Emil at Less EMF Inc
In reply to this post by quaixemen
There are several versions of the Trifield meter. If you like the
versatility of the Trifield meter, make sure you get the EX100 version,
which has 100 times the sensitivity of the standard Trifield meter on the
electric mode.

The RF mode is not very sensitive, and cannot be used to measure signals
froma tower unless you are right up close to the antenna (which you should
never be!!).

There are many low cost RF meters suitable for measuring cell towers. Of
course, the lower cost units do not have the accuracy and reliability of the
better meters, but do have a useful place if all you need to know is: Is
there a strong signal or not?
See http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html for a variety of meters.

Emil



----- Original Message -----
From: "quaixemen" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: reply to Quaixeman re. moving


>
> --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > The Trifield is useless except for reading magnetic fields.
> It's much
> > more important to be able to locate electric fields, as these
> exist in so
> > many places where theee is no magnetic field and will contain
> whatever damaging
> > high frequencies are present in your household wiring. (Or
> whatever they
> > have jumped onto before your first Stetzer filter.)
> >
> my trifield supposedly gives me readings for electric, magnetic and
> microwave. I have rarely ever gotten any reading on the electric
> readings. But anyway, what meter do you suggest for getting the
> electric fields?
>
>
> Good luck finding 10 or lower! Have you found it? I found
> that low
> > only in one spot so far, a commune in very rural Minnesota.
>
> No I have never found one that low before. Not even in my own house
> after the stetzer filters have been installed. But I've heard of
> someone who was getting a reading of 17 before any filters were
> installed and were getting really low readings after they were
> installed. I would like to find something that low myself.
> >
>
> Also, now that they are starting to disguise microwave towers (A
> cell
> > tower IS a microwave tower.) you can't just look for them with your
> eyes, you
> > need to meter.
> > (I can recommend a good meter for that, by the way, as I have
> just
> > received a good one and am planning on becoming a rep. for it.
> Feel free to
> > e-mail me privately if you are interested.)
> >
> I usually don't get much of a reading on cell towers along the
> highway on I-70 between K.C. and St. Louis where I drive each day.
> There are lots of towers. Some places there are three and four right
> next to each other. And there is usually always one that I can see
> either in the rear view mirror or up ahead of me in the distance. I
> wondered if cell towers could be detected by my meter or if I was too
> far away and that was why they didn't register. They don't really do
> much to my tri-field when it is on the microwave setting. There is
> one spot just on the edge of Columbia, Mo that caused my meter to
> jump way up on the mircrowave setting as I drove by on the highway
> but it wasn't near a tower. I'm curious as to what it was. But I
> really don't have any use for a meter for this. But as I said above,
> I'd be interested in a meter that can locate the high frequency
> electric currents. Any recommendations?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Good meter

canaryyuk
In reply to this post by charles-4

Dear Charles

I appreciate your recommendations for meters. Could you tell me in
what ways you think that they are better than the Acousti-Com.  

Could you give me an idea of how to use the meters you recommend. Are
they simple to operate? (The beauty of the Acom is that it is
instant.) do the meters you recommend involve having to make lots of
calculations?

All i want is a meter that picks up on the same things as the Acom,
ie Dects, wifi, TETRA, mobile phone masts, baby alarms, house alarms,
etc but is much more sensitive.

best wishes
jane

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
>
> One should not believe all those specifications they write down and
post on

> the internet.
>
> The Acom is british make, but they have stopped production.
> It is a listening device.
> Its successor is the Electrosmog Detector, which also claims a high
> sensitivity.
> I have one and am disappointed by its sensitivity.
> It is no meter.
> It is no detector.
> It is a listening device, but inadequate for electrosensible people.
> It gives a false sense of safety (in my opinion)
>
> If you want a good listening device, look at the Esmog Spion or the
HF
> Digitmeter II (www.priggen.com)
>
> If you want a good meter with trustable readings, look at Gigahertz
> Solutions.
> For starters, the HF 35C is good.
>
> Above meters are only for high frequency or radio waves or micro
waves.

>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 13:18
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Good meter
>
>
> >
> > I don't remeber what A Com was, but I think it was not English
one, not
> > comparable neither by price nor by characteristcs to other
affordable

> > meters... Try Gigahertz or AAronia.
> >
> > Drasko
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:53 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter
> >
> >
> > > yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I
guess it
> > > must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which
registers RF
> > > fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
> > > 0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more
sensitive
> > > than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.
>

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Re: Good meter

charles-4
Hello Jane,

you may have a llok at the chapter *het bitje* on my homepage.

The issue april 2003 is in dutch and in german, but the images tell a lot.
It handles the Esmog Spion.

The issue October/November 2004 is in dutch, german and english.
It handles the Gigahertz Solutions HF Analysers.

You do not have to calculate.
The Esmog Spion has a very good loudspeaker and is very sensitive.
It has standard several antennas, so you may look into several frequency
bands.
You hear very clearly what signals are present.
The LED's give some indication about the strength of the signals, but that
is all.

The sound of Gigahertz HF Analysers is somewhat less than the aforementioned
detector, but the strength of the signals are to be read on a LCD display in
uW/m2. On the back of the meter is a coversion table from uW/m2 to V/m.
Starters is the HF35C, because the HF32D does not have souns on board.
Sound is very essenstial in order to determine what kind of HF radiation you
detect.

On Page http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html there is this little
programm Mobidig.exe.
You may download it, and it makes conversions from several units.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html there are a number of souns
samples as MP3.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 13:30
Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter


>
> Dear Charles
>
> I appreciate your recommendations for meters. Could you tell me in
> what ways you think that they are better than the Acousti-Com.
>
> Could you give me an idea of how to use the meters you recommend. Are
> they simple to operate? (The beauty of the Acom is that it is
> instant.) do the meters you recommend involve having to make lots of
> calculations?
>
> All i want is a meter that picks up on the same things as the Acom,
> ie Dects, wifi, TETRA, mobile phone masts, baby alarms, house alarms,
> etc but is much more sensitive.
>
> best wishes
> jane
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
> >
> > One should not believe all those specifications they write down and
> post on
> > the internet.
> >
> > The Acom is british make, but they have stopped production.
> > It is a listening device.
> > Its successor is the Electrosmog Detector, which also claims a high
> > sensitivity.
> > I have one and am disappointed by its sensitivity.
> > It is no meter.
> > It is no detector.
> > It is a listening device, but inadequate for electrosensible people.
> > It gives a false sense of safety (in my opinion)
> >
> > If you want a good listening device, look at the Esmog Spion or the
> HF
> > Digitmeter II (www.priggen.com)
> >
> > If you want a good meter with trustable readings, look at Gigahertz
> > Solutions.
> > For starters, the HF 35C is good.
> >
> > Above meters are only for high frequency or radio waves or micro
> waves.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 13:18
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Good meter
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I don't remeber what A Com was, but I think it was not English
> one, not
> > > comparable neither by price nor by characteristcs to other
> affordable
> > > meters... Try Gigahertz or AAronia.
> > >
> > > Drasko
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...>
> > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:53 AM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Good meter
> > >
> > >
> > > > yes, please tell about the metre for detecting cell towers. I
> guess it
> > > > must measure RF fields, yes? I have an Acousti Com which
> registers RF
> > > > fields as low as 0.05v/m (the natural background broadband is
> > > > 0.000003v/m i believe). If you have a metre that is more
> sensitive
> > > > than the Acom i would be very interested in hearing about it.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>