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Marc wrote: > I still believe that the root cause of ES for many > is that something was already wrong with them in the first place, > and the electromagnetic fields merely trigger off a reaction > that would not have taken place if they were healthy to begin with. > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. Of course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who is already a bit weak or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible approach only involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, though, does it? Following your apparent logic, we would conclude, for instance, that if someone is affected by mercury in drinking water or carcinogens in second hand smoke, or whatever, the root cause is their own weakness. A moral society will take precautions to avoid exposing its citizens to potent toxins, not blame those who succomb. Regards, Shivani [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. Of
> course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who is already a bit weak > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible approach only > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, though, does it? Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely got that way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is NOT to say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not choose to be traumatized or poisoned... And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly some avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be required or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your recovery. The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy person could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a more typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup of heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in the diet, an ongoing infection, etc. Marc |
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It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose
which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an environmental exclusion zone. Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic external environment is the way forward, for me at least. jane --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. Of > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who is already a bit weak > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible approach only > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, though, does it? > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely got that > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is NOT to > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not choose > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly some > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be required > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your recovery. > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy person > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a more > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup of > heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in the > diet, an ongoing infection, etc. > > Marc > |
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I rarely drink alcohol, because it makes me feel ill. I have a minimal amount of wheat or lactose in my diet. I eat spelt bread sometimes and sourdough bread (rice and buckwheat) everyday to accompany homemade veg & bean soup for lunch. I eat feta cheese instead of cow's cheese. I have wheat free museli for breakfast (though not gluten free), eaten with soya milk. When i'm feeling really bad i eat quinoa porridge. I have fresh vegetable juice everday (carrot, beetroot, spinach, cucumber, apple and celery). I eat oily fish when i can, but not as often as i should. I eat a very small piece of red meat (steak) when i feel the need which is very rarely. I drink herbal tea (peppermint & nettle) and also green tea. I eat alot of lentils, mung beans, spinach and brown rice. I eat 2 eggs per week. Things i have not ommitted from my diet are caffeine, sugar, some milk and cream, potatoes and other vegetables from the nightshade family..tomatoes, red peppers, aubergines, though i try to be mindful of my intake of those vegetables. I do not particularly like taking most supplements, especially the B vitamins and fish oils, but i do try and force tiny amounts down each day, no more than the RDA, often less. The ones i have least problems with are A, E and iron. I have tried going on a total exclusion diet but it was utter misery. It means cutting out ALL sugar, even dried fruit, fresh fruit and some vegetables, eg. carrots. Its never ending. The more i cut out, the more sensitised i seemed to become to the foods that i was "allowed" to eat. I did feel marked benefits from the diet, regarding energy flow. But i still did not feel completely well. I think for some people whose system has been very damaged even a total exclusion diet only goes part of the way, and needs to be combined with an environmental exclusion zone. Also i found that when feeling more well and entering the "normal" world more often, with normal ppl doing normal things, my will power regarding the diet was challenged even further, as temptation was put in my way, eg i might be able to go to a dance class but would be unable to join in with the trip to the pub afterwards. I was kidding myself that i was back to normal, and the come-down was very difficult to deal with. My ES did not come about because of my lifestyle, but because i was poisoned by taking an extremely toxic herb. --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: > > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > environmental exclusion zone. > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > jane > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. > Of > > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who > already a bit weak > > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible > approach only > > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, > though, does it? > > > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely > got that > > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is > NOT to > > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not > choose > > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly > some > > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be > required > > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your > recovery. > > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy > > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a > more > > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup of > > heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in the > > diet, an ongoing infection, etc. > > > > Marc > > > |
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I agree that regular milk and dairy products should be eliminated from
diets. Why? Because they have been heated (pasteurized and ultra pasteurized ) enough to kill the essential good bacteria as well as the horrible bacteria that is in it from most commercial cows and dairies. And, there are all kinds of growth hormones, vaccines, chemical grains, etc., pumped into the cows. What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and kills e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our intestines and immune system. Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, cheese, is essential. http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm Here are health benefits. http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. Do a search to find raw organic products near you or your local organic dairies. to your health and the hell with the rest. Andrew On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:09 AM, canaryyuk wrote: > > I rarely drink alcohol, because it makes me feel ill. I have a > minimal amount of wheat or lactose in my diet. I eat spelt bread > sometimes and sourdough bread (rice and buckwheat) everyday to > accompany homemade veg & bean soup for lunch. I eat feta cheese > instead of cow's cheese. I have wheat free museli for breakfast > (though not gluten free), eaten with soya milk. When i'm feeling > really bad i eat quinoa porridge. I have fresh vegetable juice > everday (carrot, beetroot, spinach, cucumber, apple and celery). I > eat oily fish when i can, but not as often as i should. I eat a very > small piece of red meat (steak) when i feel the need which is very > rarely. I drink herbal tea (peppermint & nettle) and also green > tea. I eat alot of lentils, mung beans, spinach and brown rice. > I eat 2 eggs per week. > > Things i have not ommitted from my diet are caffeine, sugar, some > milk and cream, potatoes and other vegetables from the nightshade > family..tomatoes, red peppers, aubergines, though i try to be mindful > of my intake of those vegetables. > > I do not particularly like taking most supplements, especially the B > vitamins and fish oils, but i do try and force tiny amounts down each > day, no more than the RDA, often less. The ones i have least problems > with are A, E and iron. > > I have tried going on a total exclusion diet but it was utter > misery. It means cutting out ALL sugar, even dried fruit, fresh > fruit and some vegetables, eg. carrots. Its never ending. The more > i cut out, the more sensitised i seemed to become to the foods that i > was "allowed" to eat. > > I did feel marked benefits from the diet, regarding energy flow. But > i still did not feel completely well. I think for some people whose > system has been very damaged even a total exclusion diet only goes > part of the way, and needs to be combined with an environmental > exclusion zone. > > Also i found that when feeling more well and entering the "normal" > world more often, with normal ppl doing normal things, my will power > regarding the diet was challenged even further, as temptation was put > in my way, eg i might be able to go to a dance class but would be > unable to join in with the trip to the pub afterwards. I was kidding > myself that i was back to normal, and the come-down was very > difficult to deal with. > > My ES did not come about because of my lifestyle, but because i was > poisoned by taking an extremely toxic herb. > > --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: >> >> It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl > choose >> which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict > exclusion >> diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an >> environmental exclusion zone. >> >> Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy > well >> balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to >> what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any >> rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as > the >> illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the >> rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. >> >> I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and > try >> and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever >> more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic >> external environment is the way forward, for me at least. >> >> jane >> >> >> --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: >>> >>>> Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. >> Of >>>> course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who > is >> already a bit weak >>>> or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible >> approach only >>>> involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, >> though, does it? >>> >>> Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most > likely >> got that >>> way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is >> NOT to >>> say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not >> choose >>> to be traumatized or poisoned... >>> >>> And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly >> some >>> avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be >> required >>> or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your >> recovery. >>> The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. >>> >>> I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy > person >>> could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a >> more >>> typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup > of >>> heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in > the >>> diet, an ongoing infection, etc. >>> >>> Marc >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you experience a
"healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been drinking Organic Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and yesterday he started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble. Ordinarily I'd assume the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and smelled fine, and my husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of the colostrum. This is in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and night. I'm just wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts. Cara --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: > What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows > raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely > healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and kills > e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our > intestines and immune system. > Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, > cheese, is essential. > > http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html > http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm > > Here are health benefits. > http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ > Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. > > Andrew > > > |
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Hello, Jane
the two factors you mentioned are important, but you forgot a third one, even more important. Any EMF contains a sort of waves called scalar waves or Tesla waves, which are the biological active part. If these waves can be neutralized the health problems tend to disappear. This is what the various "devices" do. dietrich In einer eMail vom 20.11.2005 21:31:24 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt [hidden email]: > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > environmental exclusion zone. > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > jane > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is
extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while. My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out on the counter for days. Delicious! I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of others that drink his milk. Do what feels right to you and your husband. Andrew On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote: > Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you > experience a > "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been > drinking Organic > Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and > yesterday he > started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble. > Ordinarily I'd assume > the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and > smelled fine, and my > husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of > the colostrum. This is > in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and > night. I'm just > wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts. > > Cara > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: > >> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows >> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely >> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and kills >> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our >> intestines and immune system. >> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, >> cheese, is essential. >> >> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html >> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm >> >> Here are health benefits. >> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ >> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Thanks Andrew. I agree the quality seems very high. Organic Pastures raw milk tastes
better than any milk I've had since I was a kid, and the colostrum's flavoris like heavy cream (yum) even though the consistency is much lighter. I am hoping you'reright about my husband's reaction = rebooting the digestive system. Can you say more about how colostrum can still be good even if it is "old-smelling"? If this is so, how will I know when the colostrum is finally past its prime? It sounds like I can't gauge the same way I would regular milk? Cara --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: > > I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is > extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I > have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while. > My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his > digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still > good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out > on the counter for days. Delicious! > I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk > with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of > others that drink his milk. > Do what feels right to you and your husband. > Andrew > > > On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you > > experience a > > "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been > > drinking Organic > > Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and > > yesterday he > > started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble. > > Ordinarily I'd assume > > the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and > > smelled fine, and my > > husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of > > the colostrum. This is > > in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and > > night. I'm just > > wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts. > > > > Cara > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: > > > >> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows > >> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely > >> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and kills > >> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our > >> intestines and immune system. > >> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, > >> cheese, is essential. > >> > >> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html > >> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm > >> > >> Here are health benefits. > >> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ > >> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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hi again, Jane,
When I wrote you re the spelt, quercitin, etc.... I wrote because I assume that the ppl who are ES and react positively to a diet change do so because they have a condition OTHER than ES that is necessitating that diet change. IE: coeliac disease, dysbiosis, diabetes, hypothyroid..... I don't believe anyone without a condition necessitating a diet change will react positively to one, whether one has ES or not. However, there are many underlying, little recognized conditions which DO necessitate a diet change and if you have one of these conditions, you had better be prepared to deal with it or you will never recover from the underlying condition or from ES. Floating down the river of DeNile is never a good thing. ;) Good health to you, Diane aka Evie canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote: It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an environmental exclusion zone. Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic external environment is the way forward, for me at least. jane --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. Of > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who is already a bit weak > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible approach only > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, though, does it? > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely got that > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is NOT to > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not choose > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly some > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be required > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your recovery. > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy person > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a more > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup of > heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in the > diet, an ongoing infection, etc. > > Marc > SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The tricky question here is that some people do have an allergy to milk and
dairy products themselves - not just the possible "contaminants" in them. Of course lots of nutrition books suggest that dairy products are a big no-no altogether, though I think this is often exaggerated. However, for some people, allergy or intolerance testing does reveal an actual sensitivity to milk. Sometimes this is animal-specific. Sue had problems with cow's milk, tried goat's milk as recommended by nutritionists and felt worse. Later allergy testing showed that she specifically had low tolerance to goat's milk. For ES people, who in general seem to have compromised immune systems, organic milk is likely to be better for you (and, as Cara says, taste better) than "commercial" milk, as long as you don't have a dairy intolerance. However, forgive me for being unconvinced that raw milk is better then pasteurized. Pasteurization (heat treatment) was developed long before modern chemicals were used on farms (and so was used on organic milk) and gave health benefits by reducing the total bacterial load. One can always top up good bacteria from other food sources, but if one accidentally introduces bad bacteria into the gut of someone with a weakened immune system, couldn't that be very damaging? I guess modern bottling and transport methods are probably more sterile than old-fashioned churns, but it seems to me there are arguments on both sides. Sometimes there seems to be an assumption that "natural = good" and "modern/processed = bad", but it's not always as simple as that. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew McAfee Sent: 22 November 2005 03:05 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Question for Andrew re colostrum I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while. My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out on the counter for days. Delicious! I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of others that drink his milk. Do what feels right to you and your husband. Andrew On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote: > Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you > experience a > "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been > drinking Organic > Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and > yesterday he > started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble. > Ordinarily I'd assume > the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and > smelled fine, and my > husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of > the colostrum. This is > in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and > night. I'm just > wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts. > > Cara > > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: > >> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows >> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely >> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and kills >> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our >> intestines and immune system. >> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, >> cheese, is essential. >> >> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html >> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm >> >> Here are health benefits. >> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ >> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Correct. Regular milk is dead milk and has no good bacteria so when it
is going bad, it truly has no good bacteria in it. I think the good bacteria in Raw Organic is different when it ages. If you think that it is truly sour, put it with Kefir grains to culture it and it becomes a great source for different strains of essential intestinal flora. I am not an expert on this. Call Mark at 1-800-RAW-MILK (toll free) and ask him. There is a health specialist that believes we should be eating something cultured in every meal. I don't remember the name and I can track it down if you need. thanks, Andrew On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:19 AM, Cara wrote: > Thanks Andrew. I agree the quality seems very high. Organic Pastures > raw milk tastes > better than any milk I've had since I was a kid, and the colostrum's > flavor is like heavy > cream (yum) even though the consistency is much lighter. I am hoping > you're right about > my husband's reaction = rebooting the digestive system. > > Can you say more about how colostrum can still be good even if it is > "old-smelling"? If this > is so, how will I know when the colostrum is finally past its prime? > It sounds like I can't > gauge the same way I would regular milk? > > Cara > > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: >> >> I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is >> extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I >> have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while. >> My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his >> digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still >> good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out >> on the counter for days. Delicious! >> I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk >> with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of >> others that drink his milk. >> Do what feels right to you and your husband. >> Andrew >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote: >> >>> Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you >>> experience a >>> "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been >>> drinking Organic >>> Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, >>> and >>> yesterday he >>> started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble. >>> Ordinarily I'd assume >>> the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and >>> smelled fine, and my >>> husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less >>> of >>> the colostrum. This is >>> in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day >>> and >>> night. I'm just >>> wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts. >>> >>> Cara >>> >>> >>> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote: >>> >>>> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These >>>> cows >>>> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely >>>> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and >>>> kills >>>> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our >>>> intestines and immune system. >>>> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter, >>>> cheese, is essential. >>>> >>>> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html >>>> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm >>>> >>>> Here are health benefits. >>>> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/ >>>> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased. >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
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As i have said in another post, my theory is that MW RF is the root
cause of my gut dysbiosis, it therefore makes sense to cut THAT out. The alternative for me would be going on a lifelong diet that excludes a monumental amount of foodstuffs, we're talking the kind of diet someone whith terminal cancer would baulk at considering. I get irritated when i feel that ppl on such hugely restrictive diets are not open about how UTTERLY MISERABLE the diet makes them. If diets were easy there would be no overweight people on the planet. There would be no drug addicts or alcoholics either. Its all the same thing, addiction. It is a well known fact that only a tiny percentage of drug addicts, or alcoholics succeed in conquering their habit. I imagine the same goes for people when faced with the prospect of a life without a SINGLE dietary reward. ITS BOLLOCKS. So maybe this illness separates the men from the boys. Some will succeed, even thrive. Many others will just limp along their whole lives. So be it. --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote: > > hi again, Jane, > > When I wrote you re the spelt, quercitin, etc.... I wrote because I assume that the ppl who are ES and react positively to a diet change do so because they have a condition OTHER than ES that is necessitating that diet change. IE: coeliac disease, dysbiosis, diabetes, hypothyroid..... I don't believe anyone without a condition necessitating a diet change will react positively to one, whether one has ES or not. However, there are many underlying, little recognized conditions which DO necessitate a diet change and if you have one of these conditions, you had better be prepared to deal with it or you will never recover from the underlying condition or from ES. Floating down the river of DeNile is never a good thing. ;) > > Good health to you, > Diane aka Evie > > canaryyuk <canary65@t...> wrote: > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > environmental exclusion zone. > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > jane > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. > Of > > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who > already a bit weak > > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible > approach only > > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, > though, does it? > > > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely > got that > > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is > NOT to > > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not > choose > > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly > some > > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be > required > > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your > recovery. > > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy > > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a > more > > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup of > > heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in the > > diet, an ongoing infection, etc. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "eSens" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [hidden email] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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We'd agree from our experience that both total exclusion diets and total
avoidance of RF/MW/electric fields are (a) extremely hard to achieve in practice and (b) utterly miserable because they place so many restrictions on "normal" life. However I think this makes Evie's point even more cogent. If there is any chance that it is some third underlying factor that has weakened the immune system and triggered BOTH the gut dysbiosis and the ES, then it may be possible to tackle that and get an improvement, without needing either an extreme exclusion diet or a move to a remote place. The case histories I have seen from people in this yahoogroup and outside seem to suggest that this is the most common route to ES, i.e. ME, MCS and ES follow on from some original root cause which may be one (or several) of a huge variety. Prolonged stress or antibiotic treatment, candida overgrowth, Epstein-Barr and other viruses, Lyme disease, food allergies or intolerance, underactive thyroid, excessive toxin load (e.g. from drug treatment), faulty liver detoxification pathways and dental cavitations have all been quoted as causes, both by doctors/writers in this field and by various different sufferers we have met. Then, later, some "trigger" that the person would easily have survived when healthy starts off the ES - e.g. mobile or DECT phone use, TV's and monitors, a scan, etc. So one could make a hypothesis that if the original root cause or causes could be identified and removed, and the immune system restored to a better state, the body might gradually recover from ES, even without an exclusion diet or total environmental avoidance. There seem to be several practical treatment snags. Firstly, by the time one has ES the body is so weak that one seems to test positive for many or all of the above things, so it's difficult to detect the original root cause. With food allergies, one seems to become intolerant to almost everything - made even worse if you then get "leaky gut". Secondly, I have the impression that there is a marked "hysteresis effect" - i.e. once one has got ES, even low levels of exposure seem to cause problems, much lower than the original "trigger exposure". And each exposure causes more pain, stress and related factors (pain and stress themselves can cause gut problems). So the hope would be that finding the root cause, sorting it out and helping the immune system, plus avoidance of e-smog exposure as much as possible, could lead to a gradual recovery from ES which allows normal life to be partly resumed (while taking continued care about avoiding masts, mobile phones etc as the sufferer will always have an underlying susceptibility). Do I get the feeling that some people in this group have tried this route and seen some improvement? This treatment pattern would also be similar to that for severe candidiasis - a rigorous (extreme) exclusion diet for about 3 months, with no yeast/bread, sugar or dairy products or even fruit and nuts, followed by a return to a more balanced rotation diet when the symptoms clear. This seemed to work for Sue. Sorry this was so long! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of canaryyuk Sent: 22 November 2005 13:57 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Reply to Evie As i have said in another post, my theory is that MW RF is the root cause of my gut dysbiosis, it therefore makes sense to cut THAT out. The alternative for me would be going on a lifelong diet that excludes a monumental amount of foodstuffs, we're talking the kind of diet someone whith terminal cancer would baulk at considering. I get irritated when i feel that ppl on such hugely restrictive diets are not open about how UTTERLY MISERABLE the diet makes them. If diets were easy there would be no overweight people on the planet. There would be no drug addicts or alcoholics either. Its all the same thing, addiction. It is a well known fact that only a tiny percentage of drug addicts, or alcoholics succeed in conquering their habit. I imagine the same goes for people when faced with the prospect of a life without a SINGLE dietary reward. ITS BOLLOCKS. So maybe this illness separates the men from the boys. Some will succeed, even thrive. Many others will just limp along their whole lives. So be it. --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote: > > hi again, Jane, > > When I wrote you re the spelt, quercitin, etc.... I wrote because I assume that the ppl who are ES and react positively to a diet change do so because they have a condition OTHER than ES that is necessitating that diet change. IE: coeliac disease, dysbiosis, diabetes, hypothyroid..... I don't believe anyone without a condition necessitating a diet change will react positively to one, whether one has ES or not. However, there are many underlying, little recognized conditions which DO necessitate a diet change and if you have one of these conditions, you had better be prepared to deal with it or you will never recover from the underlying condition or from ES. Floating down the river of DeNile is never a good thing. ;) > > Good health to you, > Diane aka Evie > > canaryyuk <canary65@t...> wrote: > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > environmental exclusion zone. > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > jane > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. > Of > > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who > already a bit weak > > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible > approach only > > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, > though, does it? > > > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most likely > got that > > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is > NOT to > > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not > choose > > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly > some > > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be > required > > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your > recovery. > > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy > > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a > more > > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. 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Thanks Ian, that's very well stated. This is precisely the hypothesis my husband and I are
using as we tackle our health conditions. Since my case is more recent and not nearly as severe as my husband's, I can already say that I feel 70% better than I didseveral months ago. Strictly avoiding the worst EMF sources (for me, cell phone, ungrounded laptop computer) made a difference almost immediately. But, as I don't believe strict avoidance is sustainable long term (esp. given the political issues and widespread denial), I am also making dietary changes, using supplements, and having all amalgam fillings removed. I will never fall back into my former pattern of high cell phone and carelesscomputer use again. BUT my hope is to not have to move into the wilderness and avoid allEMF sources altogether. My husband's case is trickier, he has been sicker much longer and is far more compromised than I. Our hope with him is, like Ian says, to identify the "root cause" or underlying weakness that, when addressed, will remove enough of a burden onhis immune system that his many, complicated health issues will finally begin to respond to treatment. Cara --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@u...> wrote: > > We'd agree from our experience that both total exclusion diets and total > avoidance of RF/MW/electric fields are (a) extremely hard to achieve in > practice and (b) utterly miserable because they place so many restrictions > on "normal" life. > > > > However I think this makes Evie's point even more cogent. If there is any > chance that it is some third underlying factor that has weakened the immune > system and triggered BOTH the gut dysbiosis and the ES, then it may be > possible to tackle that and get an improvement, without needing either an > extreme exclusion diet or a move to a remote place. > > > > The case histories I have seen from people in this yahoogroup and outside > seem to suggest that this is the most common route to ES, i.e. ME, MCS and > ES follow on from some original root cause which may be one (or several) of > a huge variety. Prolonged stress or antibiotic treatment, candida > overgrowth, Epstein-Barr and other viruses, Lyme disease, food allergies or > intolerance, underactive thyroid, excessive toxin load (e.g. from drug > treatment), faulty liver detoxification pathways and dental cavitations have > all been quoted as causes, both by doctors/writers in this field and by > various different sufferers we have met. Then, later, some "trigger" that > the person would easily have survived when healthy starts off the ES - e.g. > mobile or DECT phone use, TV's and monitors, a scan, etc. > > > > So one could make a hypothesis that if the original root cause or causes > could be identified and removed, and the immune system restored to a better > state, the body might gradually recover from ES, even without an exclusion > diet or total environmental avoidance. > > > > There seem to be several practical treatment snags. Firstly, by the time > one has ES the body is so weak that one seems to test positive for many or > all of the above things, so it's difficult to detect the original root > cause. With food allergies, one seems to become intolerant to almost > everything - made even worse if you then get "leaky gut". Secondly, I have > the impression that there is a marked "hysteresis effect" - i.e. once one > has got ES, even low levels of exposure seem to cause problems, much lower > than the original "trigger exposure". And each exposure causes more pain, > stress and related factors (pain and stress themselves can cause gut > problems). > > > > So the hope would be that finding the root cause, sorting it out and helping > the immune system, plus avoidance of e-smog exposure as much as possible, > could lead to a gradual recovery from ES which allows normal life to be > partly resumed (while taking continued care about avoiding masts, mobile > phones etc as the sufferer will always have an underlying susceptibility). > > > > Do I get the feeling that some people in this group have tried this route > and seen some improvement? > > > > This treatment pattern would also be similar to that for severe candidiasis > - a rigorous (extreme) exclusion diet for about 3 months, with no > yeast/bread, sugar or dairy products or even fruit and nuts, followed by a > return to a more balanced rotation diet when the symptoms clear. This > seemed to work for Sue. > > > > Sorry this was so long! > > > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > canaryyuk > Sent: 22 November 2005 13:57 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [eSens] Reply to Evie > > > > As i have said in another post, my theory is that MW RF is the root > cause of my gut dysbiosis, it therefore makes sense to cut THAT out. > > The alternative for me would be going on a lifelong diet that > excludes a monumental amount of foodstuffs, we're talking the kind of > diet someone whith terminal cancer would baulk at considering. > > I get irritated when i feel that ppl on such hugely restrictive diets > are not open about how UTTERLY MISERABLE the diet makes them. If > diets were easy there would be no overweight people on the planet. > There would be no drug addicts or alcoholics either. Its all the > same thing, addiction. It is a well known fact that only a tiny > percentage of drug addicts, or alcoholics succeed in conquering their > habit. I imagine the same goes for people when faced with the > prospect of a life without a SINGLE dietary reward. ITS BOLLOCKS. > > So maybe this illness separates the men from the boys. Some will > succeed, even thrive. Many others will just limp along their whole > lives. > > So be it. > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote: > > > > hi again, Jane, > > > > When I wrote you re the spelt, quercitin, etc.... I wrote > because I assume that the ppl who are ES and react positively to a > diet change do so because they have a condition OTHER than ES that is > necessitating that diet change. IE: coeliac disease, dysbiosis, > diabetes, hypothyroid..... I don't believe anyone without a > condition necessitating a diet change will react positively to one, > whether one has ES or not. However, there are many underlying, > little recognized conditions which DO necessitate a diet change and > if you have one of these conditions, you had better be prepared to > deal with it or you will never recover from the underlying condition > or from ES. Floating down the river of DeNile is never a good > thing. ;) > > > > Good health to you, > > Diane aka Evie > > > > canaryyuk <canary65@t...> wrote: > > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl > choose > > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict > exclusion > > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > > environmental exclusion zone. > > > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy > well > > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as > the > > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and > try > > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > > > jane > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor. > > Of > > > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who > is > > already a bit weak > > > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible > > approach only > > > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity, > > though, does it? > > > > > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most > likely > > got that > > > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is > > NOT to > > > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not > > choose > > > to be traumatized or poisoned... > > > > > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly > > some > > > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be > > required > > > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your > > recovery. > > > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health. > > > > > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy > person > > > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a > > more > > > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. 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Back again..something blew out of the compu.... (during prayer) had 82 messages, stop and answer at 41.. as i still get slightly affected after somehours of devil energy// Everything that helped me came from within (God's spirit). This site looks more and more like an ascension site (every six month replace fat, cause crystal body needs that with raw milk butter or ghee, make sure you get enough salt by sea or himalayan salt, sole solution.. etc, etc, ) also the related conditions are mentioned on ascension sites// This said, it is Christ Jesus that loves me free, make amends with God.. See what you can get reading the bible, random verses or books (some are cosded to get you help from those that s\did make it), study.. Have had more and more psychic attacks but seem to be protected, hand over will to God.. Someone once said prayer did not help but God i prayed something out!! Cast out a serpent soul or demon during prayer, cannot deny it now, darn snakes/// (God help me knew that what was caused it, ever had a pain snaking through your body?? earthquaky feeling when getting healing??) It got outwhen i was again not seeing eye to eye with the bible and i asked to get out of me what stops me from being light/ Cannot be in de nile now.. Yes move to the mountain as predicted, but more accept forgiveness!! Christ died for our sins!! I pray constantly and am almost free of the chains// I know you may think it does not seem like a post that belongs here but believe me it does,, Speaking od the cause Have faith, turn back to God and he will love you Light Love and Light [hidden email] wrote: Hello, Jane the two factors you mentioned are important, but you forgot a third one, even more important. Any EMF contains a sort of waves called scalar waves or Tesla waves, which are the biological active part. If these waves can be neutralized the health problems tend to disappear. This is what the various "devices" do. dietrich In einer eMail vom 20.11.2005 21:31:24 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt [hidden email]: > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl choose > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict exclusion > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an > environmental exclusion zone. > > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy well > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as the > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly. > > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and try > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic > external environment is the way forward, for me at least. > > jane > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellnessprogram Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Hi, Cara you have been back here for awhile, and i am glad. Just so we are on the same page. This tooth thing (amalgams) may not be a root cause for me, but i do not see how i would have gotten this far without removing them (or it, is the bit the word in English as well?? the thing a horse is lead by??). Just a slight difference in language, it was a mayor part of the problem removed, removing the physical version of it.. Love and Light > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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