re. salt lamps

Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these salt
lamps, I am going to repost it below. Thanks, Charles.

From: "charles" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: neg. ions from salt

I do have an air ion counter.
And I have counted the air ions coming from those salt lamps.
I found zilch.
None.

On the other hand, I have found that the present negative air ions are
killed by the electrosmog.

from a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 % wasted.

Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3; nowadays
that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and even 80
per cm3.

The negative air ions work like an air police.
They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all virusses.
So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
See?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates ingesting more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not be there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to salt in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many supplements and fixes for our various health problems.

I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the blood brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I never cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here. That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that many with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various frequecies not only influence the tight junctions in the
blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is so common.

On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called "Hydrogen Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to check my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips, they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to the water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for about 2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I could feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to cut down the amount of NADH I was
taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but it was very pricey.)

Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about a negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water seems to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make a difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the machine. If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.

Happy holidays to All,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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> I am definitely going to invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.
> The water restructuring drops are fairly expensive. It restructures 20
> gallons of water for about $40. I just tried the restructuring drops to see
> if hydrogen ion water would make a difference for me.
> If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good,
> I would appreciate any info.

I don't have any good info on water restructuring machines... I've only
used water additives (drops, liquid, etc.) to make modified water.
My best results (I think) came from "Crystal Energy" (drops), but the
benefits from that eventually diminished...

Marc

I agree 100% that lots of people with "chronic disease" of various sorts
have lots in common. We see many similarities with various friends with
these problems; some have developed ES, others haven't. We can definitely
all learn from each other's experiences. I would also suggest that anyone
with these types of chronic symptoms needs to be extra careful to avoid
possible triggers for ES. We wish we had!

Ian



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 17 December 2005 21:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water



Hi,

I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates ingesting
more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually
gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there
are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not be
there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to salt
in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many
supplements and fixes for our various health problems.

I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase
someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the
recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a
couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the blood
brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have
celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight
junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I never
cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here.
That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say
that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there
appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that many
with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find
helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various fr equecies not
only influence the tight junctions in the
blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why
many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is so
common.

On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he
sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that
particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't
remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called "Hydrogen
Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that
product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to check
my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a
company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips,
they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to the
water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for about
2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I could
feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to
cut down the amount of NADH I was
taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but
it was very pricey.)

Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it
helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about a
negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water seems
to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
$1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are
fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I
just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make a
difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the machine.
If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I
would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.

Happy holidays to All,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Hi, Ian,

Which triggers do you especially suggest to avoid? I know my parents bought me a cell phone for Christmas (to take in my car because it is 13 yo and they are afraid I am going to break down in a snow drift or something). I am not too sure I want the phone!

Unlike you, I do not see many similarities with MOST chronically ill people. I do see alot of similarities among people with CFS/ME, MCS, FMS, celiac disease, and ES. Also with some of the other digestive problems like IBS and Crohns. One odd thing is that so many people with one of these syndromes go on to have so many more of these syndromes. Like me--they tend to attract more and more syndromes. I now know that the zonulin tight junction problem is a source for the multiple syndrome issue. This has been proven. Celiac disease causes autoimmune dysfunction (which leads to further auto-immune disease) due to the leaky gut/tight junction problem. I did not know, however, that anything other than celiac reaction to glutens could influence this until I read here re the radio frequencies causing this in rats. This should be monumental research and yet it is hardly known, just as with the zonulin discovery for celiac disease.

I have a couple research articles, btw, which links diabetes directly to zonulin protein defect in celiac disease, if anyone here wants them. If you do, I will send them direct and not thru this list, due to it being off subject. It might be after the holidays before I send them, depending on how many here request and on how out of hand my schedule gets due to the holidays. :)

It would be very interesting to know if the tight junction problem in ES causes the same auto-immune dysfunction as celiac, thereby causing multiple syndromes. In Sue's case, it looks like it possibly has, unless her ES is instead a result rather than the cause of her multiple health problems. Thanks for your input, Ian.

Happy holidays,
Mia

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree 100% that lots of people with "chronic disease" of various sorts
have lots in common. We see many similarities with various friends with
these problems; some have developed ES, others haven't. We can definitely
all learn from each other's experiences. I would also suggest that anyone
with these types of chronic symptoms needs to be extra careful to avoid
possible triggers for ES. We wish we had!

Ian



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 17 December 2005 21:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water



Hi,

I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates ingesting
more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually
gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there
are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not be
there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to salt
in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many
supplements and fixes for our various health problems.

I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase
someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the
recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a
couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the blood
brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have
celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight
junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I never
cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here.
That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say
that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there
appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that many
with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find
helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various fr equecies not
only influence the tight junctions in the
blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why
many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is so
common.

On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he
sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that
particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't
remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called "Hydrogen
Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that
product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to check
my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a
company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips,
they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to the
water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for about
2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I could
feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to
cut down the amount of NADH I was
taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but
it was very pricey.)

Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it
helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about a
negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water seems
to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
$1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are
fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I
just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make a
difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the machine.
If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I
would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.

Happy holidays to All,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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hello,

you may have a look at:
http://www.aquariusvitaliser.info/

It is a water vitaliser, which gives a lot of good info to the water.
They use it in glass-houses to improve vegetables, tomatoes etc.

The problem with most people is, that their body is a warehouse, fully
packed with poisons.
The problem is the detoxification process, to get rid of all the poison.
Since a few days we now have an american foot spa which makes positive and
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 22:26
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water


Hi,

I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates ingesting
more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually
gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there
are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not be
there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to salt
in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many
supplements and fixes for our various health problems.

I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase
someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the
recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a
couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the blood
brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have
celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight
junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I never
cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here.
That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say
that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there
appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that many
with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find
helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various frequecies not only
influence the tight junctions in the
blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why
many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is so
common.

On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he
sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that
particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't
remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called "Hydrogen
Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that
product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to check
my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a
company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips,
they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to the
water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for about
2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I could
feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to
cut down the amount of NADH I was
taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but
it was very pricey.)

Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it
helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about a
negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water seems
to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
$1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are
fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I
just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make a
difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the machine.
If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I
would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.

Happy holidays to All,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>

Hello,

I see a very common trigger.

The pulsed high frequency electromagnetic fields of mobile phones work like
a catalysator for all kinds of illnesses.
It does not matter if you are ES or not.

Let me phrase it bluntly;
If you are having cancer, and you are living in an electrosmog rich
environment, you will have very great difficulties in healing, no matter
what healing process you are following.
But, when you are living in an electrosmog poor environment, you have a
prospect of healing.
(Although a lot of doctors do not use the word *healing*; their repair
manual only knows the word *treatment*)
(And yes, cancer can be healed)

As Dietrich Gruen mentioned earlier, it is good to see if your drugstore has
a DECT phone or not.
If they do have a DECT phone, most of their medicines have lost a lot of
their power!

Therefore, see that your sleeping room is radiation free of all electrosmog.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:21
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water

Hi Mia,



Sorry, I wasn't sufficiently clear. By "chronically ill" I meant the group
of mysterious hard-to-diagnose illnesses which you quote - CFS/ME, MCS, FMS,
celiac disease, IBS and Crohns, and ES. . There doesn't seem to be a group
name for these, but I am increasingly convinced they are all linked as a
family. I agree it doesn't apply to the ones with other clear causes e.g.
heart disease, lung cancer, etc.etc.



As for mobile/cell phones, I believe that they are OK as long as they are
kept permanently switched off and only used in an emergency like the car
breaking down. The brief exposure one gets from using it then should
hopefully not be significant. My impression is that "triggers" that people
have reported have either been prolonged low-level exposure (working for
weeks/months/years with mobiles/DECT cordless phones/computers) or a brief
high-level burst (CAT scan, Oberon, severe X-ray overdose).



Ian



_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 18 December 2005 09:21
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water



Hi, Ian,

Which triggers do you especially suggest to avoid? I know my parents
bought me a cell phone for Christmas (to take in my car because it is 13 yo
and they are afraid I am going to break down in a snow drift or something).
I am not too sure I want the phone!

Unlike you, I do not see many similarities with MOST chronically ill
people. I do see alot of similarities among people with CFS/ME, MCS, FMS,
celiac disease, and ES. Also with some of the other digestive problems like
IBS and Crohns. One odd thing is that so many people with one of these
syndromes go on to have so many more of these syndromes. Like me--they tend
to attract more and more syndromes. I now know that the zonulin tight
junction problem is a source for the multiple syndrome issue. This has been
proven. Celiac disease causes autoimmune dysfunction (which leads to
further auto-immune disease) due to the leaky gut/tight junction problem. I
did not know, however, that anything other than celiac reaction to glutens
could influence this until I read here re the radio frequencies causing this
in rats. This should be monumental research and yet it is hardly known,
just as with the zonulin discovery for celiac disease.&n bsp;

I have a couple research articles, btw, which links diabetes directly to
zonulin protein defect in celiac disease, if anyone here wants them. If you
do, I will send them direct and not thru this list, due to it being off
subject. It might be after the holidays before I send them, depending on
how many here request and on how out of hand my schedule gets due to the
holidays. :)

It would be very interesting to know if the tight junction problem in ES
causes the same auto-immune dysfunction as celiac, thereby causing multiple
syndromes. In Sue's case, it looks like it possibly has, unless her ES is
instead a result rather than the cause of her multiple health problems.
Thanks for your input, Ian.

Happy holidays,
Mia

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree 100% that lots of people with "chronic disease" of various sorts
have lots in common. We see many similarities with various friends with
these problems; some have developed ES, others haven't. We can definitely
all learn from each other's experiences. I would also suggest that anyone
with these types of chronic symptoms needs to be extra careful to avoid
possible triggers for ES. We wish we had!

Ian



_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 17 December 2005 21:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion water



Hi,

I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates ingesting
more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually
gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there
are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not be
there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to salt
in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many
supplements and fixes for our various health problems.

I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase
someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the
recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a
couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the blood
brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have
celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight
junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I never
cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here.
That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say
that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there
appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that many
with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find
helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various fr equecies not
only influence the tight junctions in the
blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why
many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is so
common.

On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he
sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that
particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't
remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called "Hydrogen
Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that
product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to check
my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a
company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips,
they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to the
water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for about
2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I could
feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to
cut down the amount of NADH I was
taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but
it was very pricey.)

Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it
helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about a
negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water seems
to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
$1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are
fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I
just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make a
difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the machine.
If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I
would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.

Happy holidays to All,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
don't know about too.

I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
felt the fields we do.

Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.

Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
just neg. ions, but some other factors.

Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
salt are
> killed by the electrosmog.
>
> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
wasted.
>
> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
nowadays
> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
even 80
> per cm3.
>
> The negative air ions work like an air police.
> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
virusses.
> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
> See?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
>
>
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Hi again, Ian,

Thanks so much for your great info re triggers! Gees, if I could have gotten ES, I should have after my car accident, 7 years ago. The Xray tech didn't know what she was doing and gave me the equivalent of 90 Xrays, according to my chiropractor. Great info to know re the triggers; I will have to imprint it on my forehead. (Only half joking.)

And I do agree with you about this group of illnesses. They definitely seem to have a defining line that seems to link them all. I think it is the compromised tight junctions that cause this, personally, from what I have read. I think alot of research in this area might uncover many reasons for compromized tight junctions and it certainly wouldn't be too soon in coming. I do think we will see a concerted effort in this area within the next 5 years, tho.

My best to all,
Happy holidays,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't sufficiently clear. By "chronically ill" I meant the group
of mysterious hard-to-diagnose illnesses which you quote - CFS/ME, MCS, FMS,
celiac disease, IBS and Crohns, and ES. . There doesn't seem to be a group
name for these, but I am increasingly convinced they are all linked as a
family. I agree it doesn't apply to the ones with other clear causes e.g.
heart disease, lung cancer, etc.etc.

As for mobile/cell phones, I believe that they are OK as long as they are
kept permanently switched off and only used in an emergency like the car
breaking down. The brief exposure one gets from using it then should
hopefully not be significant. My impression is that "triggers" that people
have reported have either been prolonged low-level exposure (working for
weeks/months/years with mobiles/DECT cordless phones/computers) or a brief
high-level burst (CAT scan, Oberon, severe X-ray overdose).

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If you decide on a machine, I would like to hear what one you bought
and where you bought it. I've been thinking of buying one myself
with my income tax return money. I use my income tax return to buy
my medical devices. Been doing it for several years. I also have
been diagnosed with fibromyalga years ago. I am learning a lot.  
That is good info. I also have had lots of the intestinal problems.  
What I have been doing for awhile now is putting bulk physilum into
water and adding black strap molasis into it to keep it from being
constipating. One glass isn't enough. Two glasses works better. I
don't do it every day. But try to do it a couple times a week if I
can. What I've also found is that if you do it several times a week
and then at the end of the week take those chocolate flavored exlax
you will see some really good results. And recently I've added one
more ingredient, the sonne brand of bentonite clay instead of
charcoal that has been discussed. My thinking is that mixed in with
the bulk fiber it will be better able to scrub the walls of the
intestines and absorb heavy metals etc. I heard on a radio show
recently that the bentonite clay clears out the radiation and they
even used clay in Russia to try to treat people where they had that
nuclear fallout accident.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Ian,
>    
> Which triggers do you especially suggest to avoid? I know my
parents bought me a cell phone for Christmas (to take in my car
because it is 13 yo and they are afraid I am going to break down in a
snow drift or something). I am not too sure I want the phone!
>    
> Unlike you, I do not see many similarities with MOST chronically
ill people. I do see alot of similarities among people with CFS/ME,
MCS, FMS, celiac disease, and ES. Also with some of the other
digestive problems like IBS and Crohns. One odd thing is that so
many people with one of these syndromes go on to have so many more of
these syndromes. Like me--they tend to attract more and more
syndromes. I now know that the zonulin tight junction problem is a
source for the multiple syndrome issue. This has been proven.  
Celiac disease causes autoimmune dysfunction (which leads to further
auto-immune disease) due to the leaky gut/tight junction problem. I
did not know, however, that anything other than celiac reaction to
glutens could influence this until I read here re the radio
frequencies causing this in rats. This should be monumental research
and yet it is hardly known, just as with the zonulin discovery for
celiac disease.  
>    
> I have a couple research articles, btw, which links diabetes
directly to zonulin protein defect in celiac disease, if anyone here
wants them. If you do, I will send them direct and not thru this
list, due to it being off subject. It might be after the holidays
before I send them, depending on how many here request and on how out
of hand my schedule gets due to the holidays. :)
>    
> It would be very interesting to know if the tight junction
problem in ES causes the same auto-immune dysfunction as celiac,
thereby causing multiple syndromes. In Sue's case, it looks like it
possibly has, unless her ES is instead a result rather than the cause
of her multiple health problems. Thanks for your input, Ian.
>    
> Happy holidays,
> Mia
>
> Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@u...> wrote:
> I agree 100% that lots of people with "chronic disease" of
various sorts
> have lots in common. We see many similarities with various friends
with
> these problems; some have developed ES, others haven't. We can
definitely
> all learn from each other's experiences. I would also suggest that
anyone
> with these types of chronic symptoms needs to be extra careful to
avoid
> possible triggers for ES. We wish we had!
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Evie
> Sent: 17 December 2005 21:27
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg
ion water
>
>
>
> Hi,
>    
> I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates
ingesting
> more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt
actually
> gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find
there
> are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I
would not be
> there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably
to salt
> in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so
many
> supplements and fixes for our various health problems.  
>    
> I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out
incase
> someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in
the
> recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There
were a
> couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising
the blood
> brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who
have
> celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the
tight
> junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the
lungs. I never
> cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you
here.
> That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying
to say
> that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that
there
> appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think
that many
> with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally
find
> helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various fr
equecies not
> only influence the tight junctions in the
> blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would
explain why
> many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut
dysbiosis is so
> common.
>    
> On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the
info he
> sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take
that
> particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it
(can't
> remember which). I noted that there was a similar product
called "Hydrogen
> Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy
from that
> product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips
to check
> my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to
find a
> company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH
strips,
> they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
> restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen
ions to the
> water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick
for about
> 2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters
and I could
> feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been
able to
> cut down the amount of NADH I was
> taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing,
essentially, but
> it was very pricey.)  
>    
> Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water
and it
> helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was
asking about a
> negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to
water seems
> to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
> $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring
drops are
> fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about
$40. I
> just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water
would make a
> difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the
machine.
> If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is
good, I
> would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.  
>    
> Happy holidays to All,
> Diane
>
> snoshoe_2 <nonengbunny@h...> wrote:
> I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that
we those
> people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some
benefit,
> or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's
not
> just neg. ions, but some other factors.
>
> Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
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I will let you know if I buy a water machine.

Wanted to tell you, tho, that I had been dxed with fibromyalgia (by 3 different doctors, so I am sure it wasn't a misdx) and going on the glutenfree diet completely cured it. I have no pain, stiffness, etc, etc, since starting the diet 6 years ago, except when I accidently eat gluten in something. I know quite a few people who have been healed of FMS by diets--not just the gluten diet. Some react positively to a sugar-sweetener free diet, some to dairy free diets, some to eliminating veggies (cabbage family, I think).

I wish you well,
Diane
quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you decide on a machine, I would like to hear what one you bought
and where you bought it. I've been thinking of buying one myself
with my income tax return money. I use my income tax return to buy
my medical devices. Been doing it for several years. I also have
been diagnosed with fibromyalga years ago. I am learning a lot.
That is good info. I also have had lots of the intestinal problems.
What I have been doing for awhile now is putting bulk physilum into
water and adding black strap molasis into it to keep it from being
constipating. One glass isn't enough. Two glasses works better. I
don't do it every day. But try to do it a couple times a week if I
can. What I've also found is that if you do it several times a week
and then at the end of the week take those chocolate flavored exlax
you will see some really good results. And recently I've added one
more ingredient, the sonne brand of bentonite clay instead of
charcoal that has been discussed. My thinking is that mixed in with
the bulk fiber it will be better able to scrub the walls of the
intestines and absorb heavy metals etc. I heard on a radio show
recently that the bentonite clay clears out the radiation and they
even used clay in Russia to try to treat people where they had that
nuclear fallout accident.
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Are there any machines that are in this price range. I'd much better
be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.

Quai Xemen




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I saw two machines--one brand had an $800 and $1300 model (neither of these make alot of water/batch. I think the costlier one splits a gallon of water at a time--ie outputs half a gallon of negative ion water). I forget the cost of the other brand of machine, but it was higher priced, but also had more settings on it, so that you could control the alkalinity/acidity of the water. I do not have that info handy right now and have visitors for Christmas right now, so don't have time to find it. After the holidays I will send it, tho. Also, Ian, I will send you the info you asked for, too, re zonulin tight junction damage after Christmas. I just got swamped with holiday stuff and have only been keeping up with email by reading posts, but not answering any mail. But I didn't want you to think I was ignoring your questions.

Happy Holidays,
Diane

quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I am definitely going to invest the
> > $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.

Are there any machines that are in this price range. I'd much better
be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.

Quai Xemen




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Hi, Quaixemen,

These are sites where I have found water machines. You will have to investigate each thoroughly, tho, because they are not all equal in what they do, nor are the same machines the same prices at different sites. I decided to send all my sites, rather than the 2 I was interested in, since I really do not know how to judge one from another and maybe you here know more about the "ORP" issue than I do. As you probably know, many consider this quack science, anyway, and not to be believable science. However, I have read a couple of medical abstracts dealing with negative hydrogen water or the negative effects of positive water. I can send a couple of those if you need them. I don't think this is scientifically proven one way or the other. I am just looking for something to replace a pricey supplement I am on and this appears to work. I was serious about buying the one at ionlight or I think the technos one--it had 5 pH settings on it. The last site is from a cancer support
group and lists some brands that cancer patients use.

http://www.ionlight.com/

http://www.betterwayhealth.com/

http://watershed.net/technos.htm

http://www.toolsforwellness.com/82053.html

http://www.toolsforwellness.com/81026.html

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-29-2005-82605.asp

http://www.buyamag.com/wionizer.htm

http://www.jupiterionizers.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1&engine=adwords!1895&keyword=%28water+ionizers%29&match_type=

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/W002.php3

http://www.naturesalternatives.com/water/

http://www.fernsnutrition.com/water_ionizers.html

http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/atonic1.htm

http://www.wellnessgoods.com/structured.asp

http://www.portalmarket.com/micro.html

http://www.promolife.com/products/alkal.htm

http://www.healthymagnets.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/alkazonewaterionizer.htm?E+scstore

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/livingwater.html

http://www.aquatechnology.net/VITALIZER_PLUS.html

http://www.bluestonegroup.com/index.cfm

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/IonizedWater.html

Diane


quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> However, this additive to water seems
> to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to
> invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.

Are there any machines that are in this price range. I'd much better be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.




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Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites. I do
already have a water ionizer. I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago. I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting. Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing? I am confused
here.





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>    
> These are sites where I have found water machines. You will have
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in what they do, nor are the same machines the same prices at
different sites. I decided to send all my sites, rather than the 2 I
was interested in, since I really do not know how to judge one from
another and maybe you here know more about the "ORP" issue than I
do. As you probably know, many consider this quack science, anyway,
and not to be believable science. However, I have read a couple of
medical abstracts dealing with negative hydrogen water or the
negative effects of positive water. I can send a couple of those if
you need them. I don't think this is scientifically proven one way
or the other. I am just looking for something to replace a pricey
supplement I am on and this appears to work. I was serious about
buying the one at ionlight or I think the technos one--it had 5 pH
settings on it. The last site is from a cancer support cPath=1&engine=adwords!1895&keyword=%28water+ionizers%29&match_type= local/SoftCart.exe/alkazonewaterionizer.htm?E+scstore better be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.
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Quaixemen, if you are curious about the specific IonCleanse (foot bath) machine that
Charles is using, you may want to call the toll free number from the "A Major Difference"
website that Charles posted. Here in my area (San Francisco) they were ableto refer me to
two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one yesterday, and the rate
for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.

http://www.amajordifference.com/cleansehome.php
Toll free number for referrals to local practitioners: (877) 315-8638

Good luck!
~Cara

--- In [hidden email], "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> wrote:

Hi, Quaixmen,

I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from the water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths. So, yes, therefore one should be able to use it in a regular footbath and get similar results. I have only surmised this from my reading and not actual experience, tho, so I may be wrong. Why don't you try it and see, if you have the water machine. A regular foot bath doesn't cost all that much. (One that swirls the water around like a jacuzzi tub--here they only cost about $35 on sale after the holidays.)

How do you like your water machine? Do you see any health benefits? Do you still use the water all the time? Have you tried adding minerals to it or anything else? Do you use the positive water for cleaning like they propose in the ads; how does that work for you? Is there anything you wish was different on your machine? Sorry--I have so many questions. Thanks in advance for any info you have.

To anybody here that can answer this.... Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES because of adding negative ions to your body that then attract positive "bad" ions from cell masts, pollution, etc? How does this work? I never had ES until I used my cell phone (of course I never owned a cell phone before and live pretty much in a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.) Could my recent use of neg ion water be causing me to have ES symptoms? (Well, I must qualify that--the feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or vibrating in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had at times before, but never knew what caused it at the time. I had it very infrequently, however. This, btw, feels like a sinus thing. Is this the same feeling you all get? I know that you with bad ES get worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around sinuses normal to what one would get with ES?)

Diane

quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites. I do
already have a water ionizer. I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago. I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting. Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?

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> Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one yesterday,
> and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.

That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
around here was $30 for 30 minutes...

Marc

Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65 to try it out
first seems like a bargain. I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco practitioner
about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you want to take
advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself, we'd love to
hear about your results. ;-)

For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine, here is the
website of the place I found:
http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath

~Cara

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: