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>I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from
>the water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.

I don't think you're going to get the same kind of results from
soaking your feet in alkaline water that you would get from one of
these ionic foot baths. I think the devices in the foot baths
are creating an environment in the water that cannot be
maintained once the device is turned off (note that when you
are doing these foot baths, your feet are sharing the water
with a device that is turned on and actively doing something
to the water)

> Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES

My experience is that alkaline water (water treated with
Megahydrin, Active H, etc.) relieves ES symptoms
immediately. Although if your body is too alkaline to start
with, then alkaline water will throw you further out of
balance. So I suspect it varies by a person's current body
pH.

Marc

> In the meantime, Marc, if you want to take
> advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse
> session yourself, we'd love to hear about your results. ;-)

I don't think I've tried the IonClease specifically, but I
have tried two similar types of devices. I wasn't impressed,
although I suppose it could have taken many sessions to get
results.

Marc

Hi, Cara,

The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400. The $2695 is the price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes. (And that is even pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about $1300.)

Good health,
Diane

Cara <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65 to try it out
first seems like a bargain. I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco practitioner
about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you want to take
advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself, we'd love to
hear about your results. ;-)

For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine, here is the
website of the place I found:
http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath

~Cara

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Hi, Marc,

True--you wouldn't have the water ionizing while using it. I wonder whether the ionic water itself in a foot bath would have any effect? Do the neg ions get continually replenished in an ionic foot bath?

Thanks, Marc, re your take on alkaline water.

Good health,
Diane
Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from
>the water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.

I don't think you're going to get the same kind of results from
soaking your feet in alkaline water that you would get from one of
these ionic foot baths. I think the devices in the foot baths
are creating an environment in the water that cannot be
maintained once the device is turned off (note that when you
are doing these foot baths, your feet are sharing the water
with a device that is turned on and actively doing something
to the water)

> Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES

My experience is that alkaline water (water treated with
Megahydrin, Active H, etc.) relieves ES symptoms
immediately. Although if your body is too alkaline to start
with, then alkaline water will throw you further out of
balance. So I suspect it varies by a person's current body
pH.

Marc


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Hi Diane,
Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just phoned the company again,
and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned by Charles) is $2695,
unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this high priced gizmo and
the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried any ionizers. The
website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the techies in the group
wants to check it out:
http://www.amajordifference.com/iontheory.php

-Cara

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Cara,
>    
> The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400. The$2695 is the
price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes. (And that is even
pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about $1300.)
>    
> Good health,
> Diane
>
> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
> Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65 to try it
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The IonCleanse machine is top notch.
Of course there are cheaper imitations (1400 $), but they do have
limitations, in safety and others (electrical shocks).
It is explained on their website.
The IonCleanse is also electrically approved and has CE mark.
I do have all those certifications.

The plates corrode. Depending on the water and the persons detoxification,
they say that they have a lifetime of 20-60 times of use.
Replacements cost 65 $.

It is rather expensive.
But a Rife machine or a Lakhovsky Multiple Wave Oscillator is also
expensive.

Being healthy is not cheap and costs money.

The trick is not a bath with ionized water, but the change of positive to
negative and back at a certain voltage and amps does by osmosis the
detoxification work.
The ions go into the body and pull the poisons out.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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To: <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [eSens] Re: water ionizer/ionic foot bath

Hi, Cara,

Oh! Thanks for clarifying that. Yes, I was talking of other brands. That was why I sent all the site addies for the drinking water machines. They are all different prices, too, and I am not always sure, reading the sites, what the differences are. You really don't have much to go on with some of the explanations.

Thanks again,
Diane

Cara <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane,
Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just phoned the company again,
and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned by Charles) is $2695,
unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this high priced gizmo and
the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried any ionizers. The
website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the techies in the group
wants to check it out:
http://www.amajordifference.com/iontheory.php

-Cara

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Cara,
>
> The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400. The $2695 is the
price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes. (And that is even
pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about $1300.)
>
> Good health,
> Diane
>
> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
> Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65 to try it
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Hi Evie,

My experience with alkaline water is that it gets an energy out of my body faster, an energy I want to go out of it, . My experience with sinus things, usually shortlived in my case, just blow my nose, is it also gets out what i want to go out of my body.

If you picture a white light of unconditional love, or unconditional love-shower while praying, relaxing or meditating, you may get some symptoms. These symtoms are generally what i have also been looking for in anything i use, ginseng and tumeric (raw in nose for exaample)..

Go with your intuition and try to avoid mental choices.

Love

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
To anybody here that can answer this.... Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES because of adding negative ions to your body that then attract positive "bad" ions from cell masts, pollution, etc? How does this work? I never had ES until I used my cell phone (of course I never owned a cell phone before and live pretty much in a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.) Could my recent use of neg ion water be causing me to have ES symptoms? (Well, I must qualify that--the feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or vibrating in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had at times before, but never knew what caused it at the time. I had it very infrequently, however. This, btw, feels like a sinus thing. Is this the same feeling you all get? I know that you with bad ES get worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around sinuses normal to what one would get with ES?)

Diane

quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites. I do
already have a water ionizer. I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago. I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting. Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?

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It has been a long time since I drank water of any kind just straight
from the machine. I used to drink it like that. I'd fill up a jug
or two and take it with me to work. I even tried zapping the water
with a frequency using a device I made out of Rife equipment. I had
read about an experiment in Russia with water that had been zapped
and then drank to cure some illness. But nowadays I just use the
water to make my mixture of physillum husks, black strap molasis and
sonne clay bentonite. I will say it was better than drinking water
from the tap and better than drinking distilled water that I had
drank for a long time before that. I never tried to use the machine
to apply acidic water to anything to clean it. Except maybe once or
twice I soaked my feet in acidic water from the machine. Didn't
notice anything different. When you listen to people try to explain
what the water does it does sound pretty healthy. I tried Penta
water from the health food store which is supposed to be made in a
similar way. I could feel something positive from it but hard to
explain especially since it was so long ago and I can't really
remember except that it was a good reaction. You might try some
Penta water and if you like it then it might be worth the investment
to buy the machine that makes something very similar to it.  





--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Quaixmen,
>    
> I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from the
water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths. So,
yes, therefore one should be able to use it in a regular footbath and
get similar results. I have only surmised this from my reading and
not actual experience, tho, so I may be wrong. Why don't you try it
and see, if you have the water machine. A regular foot bath doesn't
cost all that much. (One that swirls the water around like a jacuzzi
tub--here they only cost about $35 on sale after the holidays.)  
>    
> How do you like your water machine? Do you see any health
benefits? Do you still use the water all the time? Have you tried
adding minerals to it or anything else? Do you use the positive
water for cleaning like they propose in the ads; how does that work
for you? Is there anything you wish was different on your machine?  
Sorry--I have so many questions. Thanks in advance for any info you
have.
>    
> To anybody here that can answer this.... Is the highly alkaline
water bad for ES because of adding negative ions to your body that
then attract positive "bad" ions from cell masts, pollution, etc?  
How does this work? I never had ES until I used my cell phone (of
course I never owned a cell phone before and live pretty much in
a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.) Could my recent use of neg ion water
be causing me to have ES symptoms? (Well, I must qualify that--the
feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or
vibrating in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had
at times before, but never knew what caused it at the time. I had it
very infrequently, however. This, btw, feels like a sinus thing. Is
this the same feeling you all get? I know that you with bad ES get
worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around sinuses normal to
what one would get with ES?)
>    
> Diane
>
> quaixemen <straitguy@s...> wrote:
>  
> Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites. I do
> already have a water ionizer. I got mine from Watershed.com at
least
> a couple years ago. I used to set it on the highest alkaline
setting
> but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may
increase
> my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting. Are you saying
> that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind
of
> water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
> toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?
>
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Hey All,

Since we were on foot baths, this caught my eye easier. I
received "Heartland America's" new catalog in the mail. -Discount.

I've ordered from them before, and been satisfied, and they've always
been good to take returns when I wanted to.

There's a footbath with the electrodes in there "ViaTEK" I think is
the brand, for $299.99, other places $3,000. Humongous savings. If I
hadn't just needed vehicle repairs, I'd order it to try. If it's
still in stock in another month or so, I may still.

Anyone interested can go to: HEARTLANDAMERICA.COM the item # is:
CC-61952

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Cara,
>    
> Oh! Thanks for clarifying that. Yes, I was talking of other
brands. That was why I sent all the site addies for the drinking
water machines. They are all different prices, too, and I am not
always sure, reading the sites, what the differences are. You really
don't have much to go on with some of the explanations.
>    
> Thanks again,
> Diane
>  
> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
> Hi Diane,
> Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just
phoned the company again,
> and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned
by Charles) is $2695,
> unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this
high priced gizmo and
> the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried
any ionizers. The
> website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the
techies in the group $400. The $2695 is the
> price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other
purposes. (And that is even
> pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by
about $1300.)
> >    
> > Good health,
> > Diane
> >
> > Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
> > Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright
costs $2695, $65 to try it
> out
> > first seems like a bargain. I haven't heard back from the 2nd
San Francisco practitioner
> > about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime,
Marc, if you want to take
> > advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse
session yourself, we'd love to
> > hear about your results. ;-)
> >
> > For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse
machine, here is the
> > website of the place I found:
> > http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-
modalities.htm#detoxfootbath
> >
> > ~Cara

Hi all,

may get a visitor through canada and the states, so contemplating how to fill her bag.. so was a salt again, since this dingeling has placed bags in laundry and just left them at hotels. There are halites though that are recommended for energy work (so may work even better then the rocks i still have some of) and a kg in cotton bag (14.95 can, lil heavy for ex-mum-inlaw it is getting) The tealite sounds good, as the lamp gets too pricy (another kilo mum)

I did read this about the lamp NEXT TO MONITOR!! (MARC, maybe a lil explenation of that one!!)

so not the lamp but the feng shui use was the problem there if i read this right>?? (still got it haha, lost the safe space as well, it also just clicked apart from it's holder once, it caught something i did't wanna catch, so thank you again, probably saved me from another trip in the underworld...)
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If the lamp is next to a television or computer monitor, it's effect, through its electromagnetic field, of the device is in approximately the 100-160 Hz zone. Our brain waves however, produce only 8 Hz according to the Schumann resonance frequency. Therefore, the body is exposed to up to 20 times higher frequency patterns than it is generally used to. The consequences of this exposure results in nervousness, insomnia and lack of concentration or concentration weaknesses. In addition, there will be an accumulation of more free radicals in the body, known to be a cause of cancer
again on the life-enthusiast coop site
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They do talk about the posive way of the world of oscillation as well, i figure if a 50 gram bit of the stuff helps me a kilo one will maybe more??(just my weird science, if not i hack it in small pieces:)
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Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am definitely going to invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.
> The water restructuring drops are fairly expensive. It restructures 20
> gallons of water for about $40. I just tried the restructuring drops to see
> if hydrogen ion water would make a difference for me.
> If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good,
> I would appreciate any info.

I don't have any good info on water restructuring machines... I've only
used water additives (drops, liquid, etc.) to make modified water.
My best results (I think) came from "Crystal Energy" (drops), but the
benefits from that eventually diminished...

Marc


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