re.Quantum Pro

This scalar waves stuff sounds pretty relevant. We need a diagram or
something. Maxwell started out with the vortex theory that led to
where we are, but everybody forgot the vortices. They are definitely
an accurate analogy of how electromagnetics work, and maybe we just
need a simple explanation. We should see what develops.

These hours are getting to me!

Rowan

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>
>
> This discussion shows that the real nature of electrosmog is not
properly
> understood and that often those, who understand it, use phrases of
explanation
> that sound like nonsense.
>
> I repeatedly in this list have tried to explain this, evidently with
almost
> no effect.
>
> To say it in short: Electromagnetic waves consist always of two
kinds of
> waves, the transversal ones we can easily measure and the
longitudinal ones or
> scalar waves disvcoered by Nicola Tesla, which so far we can only
measure through
> their effect on biological organisms. These scalar waves are
responsible for
> all the negative biological effects people experience when exposed
to EMF.
> They can be used for healing also, if one knows how.
>
> There is a very simple experiment that indicates the existence of
these
> waves. Using a mobile while measauring with electroacupuncture you
can see a
> negative effect on the acupuncture system that persists even when
you put the mobile
> off again. These EMF you can measure simultaneously with an ordinary
meter
> for these frequencies. Now you put an electrosmog neutralizing
device on the
> mobile and put it on again. The negative effect in
electroacupuncture disappears
> but the reading of your meter remains exactly the same. From this
one has to
> draw two conclusions. First the waves you can mesaure with your
meter are not
> the ones responsible for the negative biological effect of the
microwaves of
> the mobile. They are still there unchanged, but the negative
biological effect
> has disappeared. From this you must draw the second conclusion:
there must be
> another kind of waves that are not registered by the ordinary meter,
a kind of
> waves biological organisms are sensitiv to. And these waves are
influenced by
> the device.
>
> If you would do the second experiment without the e-smog neutralizer
on the
> mobile, you would find an added negative effect of about the same
strength as
> the first that even would further increase if the phone call lasts
longer than
> 30 seconds.
>
> Now, since in electroacupuncture I could measaure these peculiar
waves
> through their negative effect, I could do a little experimenting to
find out some
> more of their properties. First, they pass any metallic shielding.
Second they
> are absorbed by a layer of water of about 1 inch. Third, they are no
longer
> biological negative with a crystal on the mobile, quarz, turmalin,
salt-crystal.
> They are not absorbed by this, as I thought first. There are many
more
> properties I could find out. These might be discussed later.
>
> With this basic knowledge one will understand many biological
phenomena that in your home,
> > this one small appliance, using the principle of constructive
> > interference, coordinates the entire flow of the electrical
currents
> > and* transforms your electricity into one coherent wave.*
> > Your electricity fluctuates back and forth at sixty (or in some
cases
> > fifty) cycles per second. The Quantum Pro™, acting like a
conductor,
> > is the* intelligent time keeper* who keeps the electricity flowing
in
> > perfect harmony to create a beautifully tuned-up system inside the
> > walls of your home.
> > Now all your appliances flow together to create greater harmony in
> > your home. And it’s all coordinated automatically by one small
> > appliance that doesn’t do anything but help all the others be
more
> > coherent. Now you feel better and get things done more easily."
>
>
> I sent that quote to an electrical power quality expert, who
replied:
>      "I personally do not see how this is possible.  I would
like them to
> produce waveforms of what is on the lines before the use of their
device
> without the 50 or 60 cycle and then after their device is plugged
in. 
> Then we all wll know if it is BS or fact."
>
>      If the Quantum Pro somehow converts all the various
frequencies that
> constitute electrical pollution into one continuous wave, then the
measurable
>
> result will be just that, just one wave, of one frequency.    That
would be
> 60
> Hz. in the US.
>      Their Web site provides no such oscilloscope waveform,
though, just
> words.
>      I notice that makers of products supposed to somehow "make
it better"
> use phrases like "polarize the current," "harmonize the current,"
etcetera.  
>
> These phrases have no technical meaning whatsoever.   
>      Has anyone on this list checked with an oscilloscope the
waveform on the
>
> line after the Quantum Pro is plugged in?
>
>
>
>
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>

rowsteroz wrote:
> This scalar waves stuff sounds pretty relevant. We need a diagram or
> something.

I haven't looked into scalar waves lately, but I seem to recall
that there are books on the subject, military weapons that use
scalar waves, and EMF protection devices that say they use
scalar waves. So there should be a lot of information out there...
just enter "scalar waves" into a search engine and spend some
time checking what comes up!

Marc

>
> As for logic, I've found that suspending normal rules of
understanding can be helpful
> when dealing with ES.

Well, I'm not an "anti-log" and I love logic. In the past some have
tried to tell me that my problem is that I'm trying to use logic. so
be it. I will be the lone voice of logic if necessary.

>
> Cara
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hello, Cara,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite
simple.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal
waves
> > one
> > > > > > can measure
> > > > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these
> > scalar
> > > > > > waves depends
> > > > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the
radio
> > > > > > imprinted on the
> > > > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This
information
> > > > > > imprinted on the
> > > > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices"
> > usually
> > > > do.
> > > > > > But the
> > > > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So
why
> > not
> > > > > > using them to
> > > > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific
> > > > > > homoeopathic
> > > > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do
this
> > > > already.

This is my point about that. He still has not proven that these
scalar waves exist. If transversal waves themselves can be carrier
waves, which is what I'm assuming "real scientists" believe, why is
it necessary hypothesize the existence of a second set of waves which
act as carrier waves? It isn't. The transversal waves that one can
measure can themselves be the carrier waves which carry both negative
or positive information.  


> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz
that
> > > > causes
> > > > > > a lot of
> > > > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture.
Then
> > > > after
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and
the
> > > > > > negative effect that
> > > > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment
> > stopped
> > > > to
> > > > > > further
> > > > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece
of
> > paper
> > > > > > with a special
> > > > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made
the
> > > > > > required 5 volts for
> > > > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated
negative
> > > > effect
> > > > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile
while
> > this
> > > > > > transmitter was still
> > > > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it
even
> > > > > > turned positiv,
> > > > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in
Switzerland
> > named
> > > > > > Coufal that
> > > > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation
Nikola
> > > > Tesla
> > > > > > has made
> > > > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above
> > > > mentioned
> > > > > > transmitter
> > > > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of
about 2
> > m
> > > > and
> > > > > > measuring
> > > > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit
near to
> > the
> > > > > > transmitter
> > > > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my
body
> > > > > > subsided. This and
> > > > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-
people
> > > > showed
> > > > > > clearly, that
> > > > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these
scalar
> > > > waves
> > > > > > and absorb
> > > > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain
unaffected.
> > > > Now
> > > > > > the problem
> > > > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to
these
> > waves
> > > > > > than normal
> > > > > > >people.

You're not just jumping to conclusions here? Can you back this up
with any real data or study? His reply to me was that I was not
being constructive in my criticism and that to be constructive I
would neet to also provide him with real data. If I were to provide
him with data as he requested it he would then misinterpret or jump
to conclusions. His problem is that he can't interpret data not that
he needs more, in my humble opinion.  

It is said that:
" this one small appliance, using the principle of constructive
interference, coordinates the entire flow of the electrical currents
and* transforms your electricity into one coherent wave.*
Your electricity fluctuates back and forth at sixty (or in some cases
fifty) cycles per second. The Quantum Proâ„¢, acting likea conductor,
is the* intelligent time keeper* who keeps the electricity flowing in
perfect harmony to create a beautifully tuned-up system inside the
walls of your home."

If this is so, this would be easily recorded in an oscilloscope image of
the waveform present in the current. All the high-frequency electrical
pollution would disappear and there would be nothing lefdt but clean 60 or 50 Hz.
This would of course make the most fantastic PR tool imaginable, so if the
QP in fact does this, why is such proof not offered?
Also, if "These scalar waves are responsible for all the negative
biological effects people experience when exposed to EMF." then why do these
effects disappear when the high frequencies of electrical pollution (those removed
by the Graham Stetzer filters) are removed from a person's living environment?
Are you theorizing that the GS filters also happen to deal with scalar
waves?
Also, what about Cyril Smith's work, in which he has painstakingly
demonstrated that each ES person is sensitive to particular frequencies? These
are not scalar, but just "ordinary" frequencies.
Regards,
Shivani


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Hi all,

Following up on my first day's experience with the Vitamin E
supplement "Cataplex E", I noticed that in the days which
followed, this supplement has the same adverse effect on
me that the essential fatty acid supplements do -- suffocation
and panic attacks. I suppose this should not be a surprise,
as this particular Vitamin E supplement is derived from
animal fat, so probably has fatty acids in it.

Further research has led me to believe that these may be
symptoms of acidosis. Also backing this up is that known
alkalizing supplements like Megahydrin and superfood powder
help alleviate these side effects.

Also, my need for EMF protection devices is still less
than "normal" while taking these supplements, and the
supplements do have other noticeable benefits -- increase
in energy being the prime one, improved skin color being
another. Previously I stated that the Springlife polarizers
worsened any existing panic attacks, but I now see that the
Quantum Products also worsen this effect.

(as an example of increased energy, I was up and active
from 3:30 am to 11:30 pm the other day, and at the end
of this 19-hour day I was still full of energy!)

So finding the proper alkalizer seems to be in order
to help counter this side effects. The ones I've got work
a little but not well enough. I'm going to try Standard
Process' "Organically Bound Minerals", which is advertised
as being good for suffocation and panic attacks... (although
so was the Cataplex E!)

Marc

> Also, if "These scalar waves are responsible for all the negative
> biological effects people experience when exposed to EMF." then why do
> these effects disappear when the high frequencies of electrical pollution

Yes, and why does an air purifier which adds negative ions to the
air seem to alleviate some ES symptoms? I think the ion balance
may be a factor.

Also, what about the studies which show increased deterioration
of mercury fillings when exposed to certain frequencies? Seems
that some ES symptoms are due to mercury exposure.

Marc

Hello, Rowan,

it is a good idea, to briing up the theory of vortexes. I have been
experimenting with scalar waves and found some phenomena that only could explained
through the idea that these waves must have some kind of spin, left or right,
where one is biological harmonious the other disturbing. Any metallic shielding
seems to change the spin into the harmonious one, while the scalar waves easily
pass this shielding. That is the reason, why people shielding with the
principle of the faradayan cage have some benefit; but these scalar waves carry also
a frequency that may be negative like the 217 Hz pulsating rate of the mobile
phone. And that is problably one of the reasons, why shielding with a
faradayan cage does not feel good for a longer time.

dietrich


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> This is my point about that. He still has not proven that these
> scalar waves exist. If transversal waves themselves can be carrier
> waves, which is what I'm assuming "real scientists" believe, why is
> it necessary hypothesize the existence of a second set of waves which
> act as carrier waves? It isn't. The transversal waves that one can
> measure can themselves be the carrier waves which carry both negative
> or positive information.  
>

Scalar waves first have been discovered by Nikola Tesla. Already at that time
the were denied and a great physicist, I think it was Lord Kelvin (?)
traveled to amerika to visit Tesla. He came back with the statement, that both waves
exist the Tesla waves and the Hertz waves. This discussion reminds me of the
discussion of the nature of light, wether it is a wave or a corpuscle called
photon.

The experiment with the mobile when an e-smog neutralizer is fixed to it
just clearly shows, that the transversal waves you measure have no biological
effect as long as they are non thermal. Even if these waves carry all kindsof
information to make the phone serve its purpose. So if you can measure the
transversal waves unchanged and the phone functions as usual, but have no
biologically negative effect, then the biological effect cannot come from the
transversal waves. From where does it come then? Whatever this is, I could measure its
biological effect in electroacupuncture and through experimenting find out
some of the laws these peculiar waves follow. And these laws contradict thelaws
of your transversal waves. This is another reason, why they cannot just be
transversal waves. Some argue, because they do not follow the laws of the
transversal waves, they do not exist.

By the way, there is in germany a whole group of doctors that use scalar
waves for healing. Kongresses are held on this item of scalar wave medicinewith
scientist from all over the world. Certainly there are always those who
question this, laugh at this, ignore it or even fight it. This has always been the
case with new discoveries if they do not fit in the frame of already established
theories.

dietrich


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Hello, Shivani,

any electrical frequencies carry a scalar wave with them. I have tried just
using a capacitor of 5 nanofarad in the socket connecting the mains with the
ground, and the electrosmog effect of a ordinary lamp plugged into this socket
using electroacupuncture disappeared. This would indicate that scalar wavescan
be influenced by a capacitor, or may be that high frequencies create stronger
scalar waves.

Cyril Smith is correct in his observation. Biological effective is the scalar
part in the waves he is investigating. I made an experiment using a bifilar
coil, where the magnetic field of one part of the coil cancels out the magnetic
field of the other part, so that less than 1/10 000 of the original field is
left. Depending on the frequency of the current of about 2 mA in this coilof
about 2x 50 windings and 9 cm diameter I could measure a strong positive or
negative effect in electroacupunture even at a distance of 3 m and more from
this coil. For instance the Schumann frequency of 7.8 Hz is very positive. But
you will have this scalar waves and their effect even with a normal coil. And
then you would think, the effect comes from the transversal waves you measure.

dietrich




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Hi Marc,

I looked at the links to that product. It looks interesting,
although I'd have some questions for them before I tried it. -Can't
recall what all at the moment.

Vit. E thins the blood, strengthens the blood vessels, and w/o
looking it up to double check- I think it also helps get more oxygen
carried in the blood.

Of course anyone can have any kind of reaction to anything, I know
they said their E is natural, but legally to be labeled that way, it
doesn't have to be 100%. I would guess they wouldn't add synthetic,
but you never know.

I have read that some people can get headaches from 'large' doses,
like 800 IU, although I've never experienced it. Sometimes upset
stomach, but again I don't know if that was tested with natural, or
synthetic.

I didn't see that it said it contained tocotrienols? The very, very,
best vitamin E complex I have ever used, when I can get it is by
GNLD, it's all natural (or was last I bought it, it wouldn't hurt to
double check, as they have changed some other products), it has
tocopherols and tocotrienols in it. Anyway, it's just another one,
if this continues to give you trouble. You'd have to do a search on
the web, unless there happens to be a higher level distributor listed
in the phone book, maybe under health or nutrition.

I've been trying for several days to recall what I discovered to help
get rid of panic attacks (emf attacks) not related to spiritual
matters, it works, but I've forgotten.  

For lungs, a very few drops of pure Anise oil on the lower area of
both lungs may help. It loosens me right up. Not for regular use
though.

Good luck,
~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

Oh, and I wasn't quite clear- which items is it you think gave you
all the energy? I sure could use more.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

> Oh, and I wasn't quite clear- which items is it you think gave you
> all the energy? I sure could use more.

It seems that a variety of things which contain unsaturated
fatty acids have noticeably boosted my energy levels... which
then gives way to adverse side effects. I've had this happen
with Modifilan (seaweed extract), chia seeds, cod liver
oil, and now the natural vitamin E supplement "cataplex E2".

Marc



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