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Hello, Cara,
I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one can measure are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar waves depends on the information they carry, like the music in the radio imprinted on the radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information imprinted on the scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually do. But the waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not using themto carry a life supporting positive information or specific homoeopathic information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this already. In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that causes a lot of electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then after some minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the negative effect that was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped to further accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper with a special geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the required 5 volts for the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative effect disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this transmitterwas still on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even turned positiv, what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named Coufal that seems to use this effect alreaday. Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola Tesla has made more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above mentioned transmitter of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m and measuring it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the transmitter at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body subsided. This and other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people showed clearly, that a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar waves and absorb them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. Now the problem is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves than normal people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that attract these waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with normal people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because of their strong attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices sometimes work in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work better than others. These devices also have different effectivity for different frequencies. This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports in this list. But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. Dietrich Gruen [hidden email] wrote > Dietrich, that's very interesting. I take it this means you know (or are > studying) how to use > scalar waves to reverse the negative effects of electrosmog on people? Via > electroacupuncture techniques? I will not be able to understand a very > technical explanation, > but if you can say more in very simple terms, I am interested in how you do > this while also > avoiding the negative effects. Perhaps say a little more about the general > principles involved. > > I apologize if I have missed a previous discussion of this. I am able to > spend only limited time > at the computer. > > ~ Cara > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Dietrich, thank you. My husband and I have had some (rather odd) experiences that
confirm some of what you describe. I would love to try to replicate some ofyour e-smog neutralization experiments, either with salt crystals or your Bioprotekt card. I will contact you offline for more information. Cara --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > Hello, Cara, > > I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one can measure > are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar waves depends > on the information they carry, like the music in the radio imprinted on the > radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information imprinted on the > scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually do. Butthe > waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not using them to > carry a life supporting positive information or specific homoeopathic > information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this already. > > In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that causes a lotof > electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then after some > minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the negative effect that > was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped to further > accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper with a special > geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the required 5 volts for > the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative effect > disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this transmitter was still > on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even turned positiv, > what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named Coufal that > seems to use this effect alreaday. > > Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola Tesla has made > more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above mentioned transmitter > of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m and measuring > it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the transmitter > at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body subsided. Thisand > other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people showed clearly, that > a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar waves and absorb > them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. Now the problem > is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves than normal > people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that attract these > waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with normal > people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because of theirstrong > attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices sometimes work > in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work better than > others. These devices also have different effectivity for different frequencies. > This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports in this list. > But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > Dietrich Gruen > > cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > Dietrich, that's very interesting. I take it this means you know (or are > > studying) how to use > > scalar waves to reverse the negative effects of electrosmog on people? Via > > electroacupuncture techniques? I will not be able to understand a very > > technical explanation, > > but if you can say more in very simple terms, I am interested in how you do > > this while also > > avoiding the negative effects. Perhaps say a little more about the general > > principles involved. > > > > I apologize if I have missed a previous discussion of this. I am able to > > spend only limited time > > at the computer. > > > > ~ Cara > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of something like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause the bad effect when the protective device is not present or that there are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf waves and the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar waves but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are doing. - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > Hello, Cara, > > I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one can measure > are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar waves depends > on the information they carry, like the music in the radio imprinted on the > radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information imprinted on the > scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually do. But the > waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not using them to > carry a life supporting positive information or specific homoeopathic > information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this already. > > In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that causes a lot of > electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then after some > minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the negative effect that > was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped to further > accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper with a special > geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the required 5 volts for > the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative effect > disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this transmitter was still > on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even turned positiv, > what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named Coufal that > seems to use this effect alreaday. > > Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola Tesla has made > more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above mentioned transmitter > of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m and measuring > it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the transmitter > at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body subsided. This and > other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people showed clearly, that > a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar waves and absorb > them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. Now the problem > is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves than normal > people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that attract these > waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with normal > people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because of their strong > attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices sometimes work > in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work better than > others. These devices also have different effectivity for different frequencies. > This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports in this list. > But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > Dietrich Gruen > > cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > Dietrich, that's very interesting. I take it this means you know (or are > > studying) how to use > > scalar waves to reverse the negative effects of electrosmog on people? Via > > electroacupuncture techniques? I will not be able to understand a very > > technical explanation, > > but if you can say more in very simple terms, I am interested in how you do > > this while also > > avoiding the negative effects. Perhaps say a little more about the general > > principles involved. > > > > I apologize if I have missed a previous discussion of this. I am able to > > spend only limited time > > at the computer. > > > > ~ Cara > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thank you very much.
Sayat _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:08 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] re.Quantum Pro Hello, the sources I know are all in german. www.k-meyl.de is the homepage of Prof. Meyl who sells also e experimental kit that creates longitudinal waves. I did some very interesting experiments with this, especially to use these scalar waves for healing. Another researcher is Prof Ulrich Warnke from the university Saarbrücken/Germany. As far as I know, the basic work of Prof. Meyl is also available in english, a rather thik book. Dietrich Gruen [hidden email]: wrote > Your message is very interesting indeed. > > Is there any work / research going on about the effects of scalar waves on > biological organisms? Could you please send some links / resources on this? > > > > Thanks. > _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I find anything (herbs, massage devices, walking or otherwise making that chi movement) that balances the energetic flow in all energetic systems is helpful. Also the increase of chi and release of karma has always been helpful. (through the same things and prayer, violet flame/mutual forgiveness, the only way to perfect health and freedom) The refles point for pancreas on my foot turned out to be painful during my massage yesterday. One day almost a year ago I was walking in a store by a screen with the organs and for some reason them pancreas stood out. I think one of the reasons why i healed so quickly back in holland is that I had my best friend reminding me of whatever it was i said i wanted to look into.. Here i have to count on myself to follow through and ai.. Read the pancreas is often where energy-drains are "placed" and etheric gridwork is missing.. Anyone can give me a short info on the organ and know of a natural remedy that works on this all creator thing?? Love and Light PS Sensitivity to cell-phones is low again.. Ongoing reaction on people though.. The latest one was during a real long and irrelevant and confusing story of why the person had to return something they bought... (would have preferred an I will leave this with you since it was not payed for and my partner can work himselfup over it or do whatever, could care less, but now i feel so drained.) Also the ES gets worse after such and "attack".. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health and wellness promotion Womens health and wellness Center for health and wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi,
I find anything (herbs, massage devices, walking or otherwise making that chi movement) that balances the energetic flow in all energetic systems is helpful. Also the increase of chi and release of karma has always been helpful. (through the same things and prayer, violet flame/mutual forgiveness, the only way to perfect health and freedom. Clearing the meridians could get you free of symtoms, but they come back unless the karma involved is cleared. not free until filled with the holy spirit, untill the christ body descends and your cup overflows//// release all karma, then it is time for grace) The reflex point for pancreas on my foot turned out to be painful during my massage yesterday. One day almost a year ago I was walking in a store by a screen with the organs and for some reason them pancreas stood out. I think one of the reasons why i healed so quickly back in holland is that I had my best friend reminding me of whatever it was i said i wanted to look into.. Here i have to count on myself to follow through and ai.. Read the pancreas is often where energy-drains are "placed" and etheric gridwork is missing.. Anyone can give me a short info on the organ and know of a natural remedy that works on this all creator thing?? Love and Light PS Sensitivity to cell-phones is low again.. Ongoing reaction on people though.. The latest one was during a real long and irrelevant and confusing story of why the person had to return something they bought... (would have preferred an I will leave this with you since it was not payed for and my partner can work himselfup over it or do whatever, could care less, but now i feel so drained.) Also the ES gets worse after such and "attack".. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health and wellness promotion Womens health and wellness Center for health and wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Perla,
I cannot help much with what you are asking, but I had pancreatic inflammation as a mid-teen which did ongoing damage, so I know a little about the organ itself. The pancreas is mainly in charge of blood sugar control--controls the hormones insulin and glucagon, etc. It also controls enzymes used in digestion and other functions. As an interesting note, tho, my son did an astrological chart on me for my last birthday. I am really not "into" astrology, chi, yoga, karma.... I mean, these have never been things I was interested in or studied. I found it fascinating, however, that the chart my son did for me outlined perfectly ALL the areas of health problems I have dealt with my entire life! According to the day, hour, and year I was born, all areas of my health problems, personal challenges, and personal strengths and weaknesses--it is all there! We could not believe it! My son's chart was very accurate, too. My son has been studying mathematical relationships. This took him into numerology and eventually into astrology. If any of you have done an indepth personal astrological chart, I would be interested in hearing whether you think it had relevance to your life. Sorry, I know this is off topic. However, for all of you here, if this charting were accurate and true, it would show a common thread--perhaps pointing to a particular area that could be addressed. Just a thought... Good health to all, Diane aka Evie perla1133 <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, I find anything (herbs, massage devices, walking or otherwise making that chi movement) that balances the energetic flow in all energetic systems is helpful. Also the increase of chi and release of karma has always been helpful. (through the same things and prayer, violet flame/mutual forgiveness, the only way to perfect health and freedom. Clearing the meridians could get you free of symtoms, but they come back unless the karma involved is cleared. not free until filled with the holy spirit, untill the christ body descends and your cup overflows//// release all karma, then it is time for grace) The reflex point for pancreas on my foot turned out to be painful during my massage yesterday. One day almost a year ago I was walking in a store by a screen with the organs and for some reason them pancreas stood out. I think one of the reasons why i healed so quickly back in holland is that I had my best friend reminding me of whatever it was i said i wanted to look into.. Here i have to count on myself to follow through and ai.. Read the pancreas is often where energy-drains are "placed" and etheric gridwork is missing.. Anyone can give me a short info on the organ and know of a natural remedy that works on this all creator thing?? Love and Light PS Sensitivity to cell-phones is low again.. Ongoing reaction on people though.. The latest one was during a real long and irrelevant and confusing story of why the person had to return something they bought... (would have preferred an I will leave this with you since it was not payed for and my partner can work himselfup over it or do whatever, could care less, but now i feel so drained.) Also the ES gets worse after such and "attack".. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health and wellness promotion Womens health and wellness Center for health and wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Re: Meridians. chi, karma, pancreas
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> I cannot help much with what you are asking, but I had pancreatic
> inflammation as a mid-teen which did ongoing damage, so I know a little > about the organ itself. The pancreas is mainly in charge of blood sugar > control--controls the hormones insulin and glucagon, etc. To help out an ailing pancreas, you can try taking digestive enzymes. Some of these contain pancreas organ extracts from pigs (pancreatin), which helps digest proteins, etc. Also, I have found from my own experience that taking too many alkalizers can have an adverse effect on your pancreas. So that would be things like drinking baking soda mixed in water, and even one of my otherwise more favorite supplements, Megahydrin. I doubt many people do such things, though... :-) Marc |
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Actually read a very accurate chart for me warning me just before the shit hit the fan. Deleting it and not thinking about it did not do the job. Astrology and looking at family history (the dad of my natural mom had diabetes) can point you to problem areas. You can then go ahead and take herbs to see if you can fix any upcoming disease/make the (karmic) disease pass quicker. My goal is to move beyond these things that are in the stars (some say stored in cellular memory and triggered by a certain constellation, and/or genes, through asension. Yes it would be wild if we all had a certain planet in a certain house or whatever... Love and Light Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, Perla, I cannot help much with what you are asking, but I had pancreatic inflammation as a mid-teen which did ongoing damage, so I know a little about the organ itself. The pancreas is mainly in charge of blood sugar control--controls the hormones insulin and glucagon, etc. It also controls enzymes used in digestion and other functions. As an interesting note, tho, my son did an astrological chart on me for my last birthday. I am really not "into" astrology, chi, yoga, karma.... I mean, these have never been things I was interested in or studied. I found it fascinating, however, that the chart my son did for me outlined perfectly ALL the areas of health problems I have dealt with my entire life! According to the day, hour, and year I was born, all areas of my health problems, personal challenges, and personal strengths and weaknesses--it is all there! We could not believe it! My son's chart was very accurate, too. My son has been studying mathematical relationships. This took him into numerology and eventually into astrology. If any of you have done an indepth personal astrological chart, I would be interested in hearing whether you think it had relevance to your life. Sorry, I know this is off topic. However, for all of you here, if this charting were accurate and true, it would show a common thread--perhaps pointing to a particular area that could be addressed. Just a thought... Good health to all, Diane aka Evie perla1133 <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, I find anything (herbs, massage devices, walking or otherwise making that chi movement) that balances the energetic flow in all energetic systems is helpful. Also the increase of chi and release of karma has always been helpful. (through the same things and prayer, violet flame/mutual forgiveness, the only way to perfect health and freedom. Clearing the meridians could get you free of symtoms, but they come back unless the karma involved is cleared. not free until filled with the holy spirit, untill the christ body descends and your cup overflows//// release all karma, then it is time for grace) The reflex point for pancreas on my foot turned out to be painful during my massage yesterday. One day almost a year ago I was walking in a store by a screen with the organs and for some reason them pancreas stood out. I think one of the reasons why i healed so quickly back in holland is that I had my best friend reminding me of whatever it was i said i wanted to look into.. Here i have to count on myself to follow through and ai.. Read the pancreas is often where energy-drains are "placed" and etheric gridwork is missing.. Anyone can give me a short info on the organ and know of a natural remedy that works on this all creator thing?? Love and Light PS Sensitivity to cell-phones is low again.. Ongoing reaction on people though.. The latest one was during a real long and irrelevant and confusing story of why the person had to return something they bought... (would have preferred an I will leave this with you since it was not payed for and my partner can work himselfup over it or do whatever, could care less, but now i feel so drained.) Also the ES gets worse after such and "attack".. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health and wellness promotion Womens health and wellness Center for health and wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health and wellness promotion Womens health and wellness Center for health and wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello straitguy,
my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the royal path to scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to enlarge them, if experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several times especially in the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such data and not just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding the truth,and I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to the truth you know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all made of paper, printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against moist. Theyhave no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing this you argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before me, I just rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were already known. This is another proof of their existence, if they are found by different people independently with completely different methods of approach. dietrich gruen. [hidden email] wrote > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of something > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause the > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that there > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf waves and > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar waves > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are doing. > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one > can measure > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar > waves depends > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > imprinted on the > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > imprinted on the > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually do. > But the > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not > using them to > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > homoeopathic > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this already. > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that causes > a lot of > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then after > some > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > negative effect that > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped to > further > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper > with a special > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > required 5 volts for > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative effect > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this > transmitter was still > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > turned positiv, > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named > Coufal that > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola Tesla > has made > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above mentioned > transmitter > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m and > measuring > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the > transmitter > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > subsided. This and > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people showed > clearly, that > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar waves > and absorb > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. Now > the problem > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves > than normal > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that > attract these > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with > normal > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because of > their strong > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices > sometimes work > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work better > than > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for different > frequencies. > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports in > this list. > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote:
>I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not seen your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and took courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read papers on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. I'm no fool. > Hello straitguy, > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the royal path to > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to enlarge them, if > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several times especially in > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such data and not > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding the truth, and > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to the truth you > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all made of paper, > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against moist. They have > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing this you > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before me, I just > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were already known. This is > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different people > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > dietrich gruen. > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of something > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause the > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that there > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf waves and > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar waves > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are doing. > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one > > can measure > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar > > waves depends > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > imprinted on the > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > imprinted on the > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually > > But the > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not > > using them to > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > homoeopathic > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this already. > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that causes > > a lot of > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then after > > some > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > negative effect that > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped to > > further > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper > > with a special > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > required 5 volts for > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative effect > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this > > transmitter was still > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > turned positiv, > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named > > Coufal that > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola Tesla > > has made > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above mentioned > > transmitter > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m and > > measuring > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the > > transmitter > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > subsided. This and > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people showed > > clearly, that > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar waves > > and absorb > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. Now > > the problem > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves > > than normal > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that > > attract these > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with > > normal > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because of > > their strong > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices > > sometimes work > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work better > > than > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for different > > frequencies. > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports in > > this list. > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hello,
I have seen some of the experiments of Dietrich Gruen, and am very positive about them. Normal scientific methods and protocols do not apply here. A new theory and a new science do have to be investigated and formulated. But most of the *old* scientists reject a lot of new things, they do not yet understand. I have also experienced some phenomena, which can only be explained by the existance and working of longitudinal waves. You may have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html and read everything there. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "quaixemen" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 17:16 Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > >I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not seen > your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From > what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the > conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and took > courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read papers > on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. > I'm no fool. > > > > > Hello straitguy, > > > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the royal > path to > > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to enlarge > them, if > > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several times > especially in > > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such data > and not > > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding > the truth, and > > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to the > truth you > > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all made of > paper, > > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against > moist. They have > > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing > this you > > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before me, > I just > > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were already > known. This is > > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different > people > > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > > > dietrich gruen. > > > > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of > something > > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause > the > > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that > there > > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf waves > and > > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar > waves > > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are > doing. > > > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one > > > can measure > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar > > > waves depends > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > > imprinted on the > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > > imprinted on the > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually > do. > > > But the > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not > > > using them to > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > > homoeopathic > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this > already. > > > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that > causes > > > a lot of > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then > after > > > some > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > > negative effect that > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped > to > > > further > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper > > > with a special > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > > required 5 volts for > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative > effect > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this > > > transmitter was still > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > > turned positiv, > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named > > > Coufal that > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola > Tesla > > > has made > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above > mentioned > > > transmitter > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m > and > > > measuring > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the > > > transmitter > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > > subsided. This and > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people > showed > > > clearly, that > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar > waves > > > and absorb > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. > Now > > > the problem > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves > > > than normal > > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that > > > attract these > > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with > > > normal > > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because > of > > > their strong > > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices > > > sometimes work > > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work > better > > > than > > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for > different > > > frequencies. > > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports > in > > > this list. > > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hi Charles,
I have recently been reading about Dr. Gruen's work on your website and am intrigued also. (In fact I'm trying to purchase a Bioprotect card now; we're running into difficulties because PayPal doesn't seem to recognize Dr. Gruen's email address as a registered Paypal user, although he told me he has a PayPal account. If you have any suggestions for expediting the process I'd appreciate it.) Anyway I gather you've been using Bioprotect for a while now, with good results. Do you notice any change in effectiveness over time? Also, I saw an old post (fromBeau I think) describing a bad reaction he had to the Bioprotect card. Any thoughts on why some people react poorly to the card? I know we all react differently to various protective devices. Just wondering if anyone has noticed any common denominator(s). Cara --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have seen some of the experiments of Dietrich Gruen, and am very positive > about them. > > Normal scientific methods and protocols do not apply here. > A new theory and a new science do have to be investigated and formulated. > But most of the *old* scientists reject a lot of new things, they do not yet > understand. > > I have also experienced some phenomena, which can only be explained by the > existance and working of longitudinal waves. > > You may have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html and read > everything there. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 17:16 > Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > > > > --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > >I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not seen > > your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From > > what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the > > conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and took > > courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read papers > > on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. > > I'm no fool. > > > > > > > > > Hello straitguy, > > > > > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the royal > > path to > > > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to enlarge > > them, if > > > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several times > > especially in > > > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such data > > and not > > > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding > > the truth, and > > > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to the > > truth you > > > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > > > > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all made of > > paper, > > > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against > > moist. They have > > > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing > > this you > > > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > > > > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before me, > > I just > > > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were already > > known. This is > > > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different > > people > > > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > > > > > dietrich gruen. > > > > > > > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > > > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of > > something > > > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause > > the > > > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that > > there > > > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf waves > > and > > > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar > > waves > > > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are > > doing. > > > > > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves one > > > > can measure > > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar > > > > waves depends > > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > > > imprinted on the > > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > > > imprinted on the > > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually > > do. > > > > But the > > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not > > > > using them to > > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > > > homoeopathic > > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this > > already. > > > > > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that > > causes > > > > a lot of > > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then > > after > > > > some > > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > > > negative effect that > > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment stopped > > to > > > > further > > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper > > > > with a special > > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > > > required 5 volts for > > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative > > effect > > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this > > > > transmitter was still > > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > > > turned positiv, > > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named > > > > Coufal that > > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola > > Tesla > > > > has made > > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above > > mentioned > > > > transmitter > > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 m > > and > > > > measuring > > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the > > > > transmitter > > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > > > subsided. This and > > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people > > showed > > > > clearly, that > > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar > > waves > > > > and absorb > > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. > > Now > > > > the problem > > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these waves > > > > than normal > > > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that > > > > attract these > > > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with > > > > normal > > > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because > > of > > > > their strong > > > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices > > > > sometimes work > > > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work > > better > > > > than > > > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for > > different > > > > frequencies. > > > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports > > in > > > > this list. > > > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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> reaction he had to the Bioprotect card. It might have been me... I've tried several such cards -- the Bioprotect, the Green 8, the RA*D*AR card, and the Safespace Environmental Protection card. Generally I don't have the greatest results. If you call up the manufacturers of these things, they will often say that you're experiencing a "detox reaction", and that it will probably go away with time. This may be true in some cases, but I think sometimes the provoked detox reveals a nutritional weakness of some sort, and that you may need to fix that weakness before being able to tolerate the card. Marc |
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--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
>Well in that case I'll try to keep an open mind. I'm just trying to find the logic and have not been able to see it. Perhaps I'm really just slow. You have to admit though that when someone claims to have rediscovered something that a great mind like Nicolas Tesla theorized one has to take that with a bit of a grain of salt. > Hello, > > I have seen some of the experiments of Dietrich Gruen, and am very positive > about them. > > Normal scientific methods and protocols do not apply here. > A new theory and a new science do have to be investigated and formulated. > But most of the *old* scientists reject a lot of new things, they do not yet > understand. > > I have also experienced some phenomena, which can only be explained by the > existance and working of longitudinal waves. > > You may have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html and read > everything there. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 17:16 > Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > > > > --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > >I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not > > your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From > > what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the > > conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and took > > courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read papers > > on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. > > I'm no fool. > > > > > > > > > Hello straitguy, > > > > > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the royal > > path to > > > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to enlarge > > them, if > > > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several times > > especially in > > > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such data > > and not > > > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding > > the truth, and > > > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to the > > truth you > > > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > > > > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all made of > > paper, > > > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against > > moist. They have > > > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing > > this you > > > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > > > > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before me, > > I just > > > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were already > > known. This is > > > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different > > people > > > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > > > > > dietrich gruen. > > > > > > > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > > > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of > > something > > > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause > > the > > > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that > > there > > > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf > > and > > > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of scalar > > waves > > > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are > > doing. > > > > > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves > > > > can measure > > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these scalar > > > > waves depends > > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > > > imprinted on the > > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > > > imprinted on the > > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" usually > > do. > > > > But the > > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why not > > > > using them to > > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > > > homoeopathic > > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this > > already. > > > > > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that > > causes > > > > a lot of > > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then > > after > > > > some > > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > > > negative effect that > > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment > > to > > > > further > > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of paper > > > > with a special > > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > > > required 5 volts for > > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative > > effect > > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while this > > > > transmitter was still > > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > > > turned positiv, > > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland named > > > > Coufal that > > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola > > Tesla > > > > has made > > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above > > mentioned > > > > transmitter > > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 > > and > > > > measuring > > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to the > > > > transmitter > > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > > > subsided. This and > > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people > > showed > > > > clearly, that > > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar > > waves > > > > and absorb > > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. > > Now > > > > the problem > > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these > > > > than normal > > > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools that > > > > attract these > > > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem with > > > > normal > > > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people because > > of > > > > their strong > > > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these devices > > > > sometimes work > > > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work > > better > > > > than > > > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for > > different > > > > frequencies. > > > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the reports > > in > > > > this list. > > > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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I would say, don't bother to look further.
You really are too slow. One needs to have an open mind, and start digging. Without digging and searching, you won't find anything. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "quaixemen" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 18:13 Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote: > >Well in that case I'll try to keep an open mind. I'm just trying to > find the logic and have not been able to see it. Perhaps I'm really > just slow. You have to admit though that when someone claims to have > rediscovered something that a great mind like Nicolas Tesla theorized > one has to take that with a bit of a grain of salt. > > > > Hello, > > > > I have seen some of the experiments of Dietrich Gruen, and am very > positive > > about them. > > > > Normal scientific methods and protocols do not apply here. > > A new theory and a new science do have to be investigated and > formulated. > > But most of the *old* scientists reject a lot of new things, they > do not yet > > understand. > > > > I have also experienced some phenomena, which can only be explained > by the > > existance and working of longitudinal waves. > > > > You may have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html > and read > > everything there. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 17:16 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > >I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not > seen > > > your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From > > > what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the > > > conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and > took > > > courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read > papers > > > on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. > > > I'm no fool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello straitguy, > > > > > > > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the > royal > > > path to > > > > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to > enlarge > > > them, if > > > > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several > times > > > especially in > > > > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such > data > > > and not > > > > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding > > > the truth, and > > > > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to > the > > > truth you > > > > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > > > > > > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all > made of > > > paper, > > > > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against > > > moist. They have > > > > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing > > > this you > > > > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > > > > > > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before > me, > > > I just > > > > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were > already > > > known. This is > > > > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different > > > people > > > > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > > > > > > > dietrich gruen. > > > > > > > > > > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > > > > > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > > > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of > > > something > > > > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause > > > the > > > > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that > > > there > > > > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > > > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf > waves > > > and > > > > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > > > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of > scalar > > > waves > > > > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > > > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > > > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves > one > > > > > can measure > > > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these > scalar > > > > > waves depends > > > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > > > > imprinted on the > > > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > > > > imprinted on the > > > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" > usually > > > do. > > > > > But the > > > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why > not > > > > > using them to > > > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > > > > homoeopathic > > > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that > > > causes > > > > > a lot of > > > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then > > > after > > > > > some > > > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > > > > negative effect that > > > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment > stopped > > > to > > > > > further > > > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of > paper > > > > > with a special > > > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > > > > required 5 volts for > > > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative > > > effect > > > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while > this > > > > > transmitter was still > > > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > > > > turned positiv, > > > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland > named > > > > > Coufal that > > > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > > > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola > > > Tesla > > > > > has made > > > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above > > > mentioned > > > > > transmitter > > > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 > m > > > and > > > > > measuring > > > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to > the > > > > > transmitter > > > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > > > > subsided. This and > > > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people > > > showed > > > > > clearly, that > > > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar > > > waves > > > > > and absorb > > > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. > > > Now > > > > > the problem > > > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these > waves > > > > > than normal > > > > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools > that > > > > > attract these > > > > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem > with > > > > > normal > > > > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people > because > > > of > > > > > their strong > > > > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these > devices > > > > > sometimes work > > > > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for > > > different > > > > > frequencies. > > > > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the > reports > > > in > > > > > this list. > > > > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > > > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > > > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > |
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In reply to this post by quaixemen
Hi straitguy,
I only recently found the time to visit Dr. Gruen's website myself. Part ofthe challenge for English speakers trying to understand Dr. Gruen's work is that his main website is written in German. There's a link to a very limited English language version, but it doesn't contain the level of explanation I think you're looking for. I find Charles' website, which does discuss some of Dr. Gruen's work, a little more helpful there. As for logic, I've found that suspending normal rules of understanding can be helpful when dealing with ES. Cara --- In [hidden email], "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> wrote: > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote: > >Well in that case I'll try to keep an open mind. I'm just trying to > find the logic and have not been able to see it. Perhaps I'm really > just slow. You have to admit though that when someone claims to have > rediscovered something that a great mind like Nicolas Tesla theorized > one has to take that with a bit of a grain of salt. > > > > Hello, > > > > I have seen some of the experiments of Dietrich Gruen, and am very > positive > > about them. > > > > Normal scientific methods and protocols do not apply here. > > A new theory and a new science do have to be investigated and > formulated. > > But most of the *old* scientists reject a lot of new things, they > do not yet > > understand. > > > > I have also experienced some phenomena, which can only be explained > by the > > existance and working of longitudinal waves. > > > > You may have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html > and read > > everything there. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 17:16 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: re.Quantum Pro > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > >I can only go by what you have said in this forum. I have not > seen > > > your experiements. If so I might have a different opinion. From > > > what you have said in your posts I see no reason to come to the > > > conclusions that you have. I love reading scientific papers and > took > > > courses in scientific method when in college. I used to read > papers > > > on experiments all the time. You can't just dismiss me as weird. > > > I'm no fool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello straitguy, > > > > > > > > my conclusions are based on experiments. Experiments are the > royal > > > path to > > > > scientific truth. I am ready to change my conclusions or to > enlarge > > > them, if > > > > experiental data indicate this. And I had to do this several > times > > > especially in > > > > the beginning of my research. So it is your part to bring such > data > > > and not > > > > just weird objections. This is not a constructive way of finding > > > the truth, and > > > > I think you want to find the truth even if its contradictory to > the > > > truth you > > > > know so far. Are you? This is scientific progress. > > > > > > > > The devices I have been basicly experimenting with are all > made of > > > paper, > > > > printing colour and some plastic coating for protection against > > > moist. They have > > > > no parts that could interact with the known EMF. Without knowing > > > this you > > > > argue, that this could be the cause for the effects I observe. > > > > > > > > Also many other scientist found these scalar waves long before > me, > > > I just > > > > rediscovered them, in the beginning not knowing, they were > already > > > known. This is > > > > another proof of their existence, if they are found by different > > > people > > > > independently with completely different methods of approach. > > > > > > > > dietrich gruen. > > > > > > > > > > > > straitguy@s... wrote > > > > > > > > > You still are jumping to conclusions. You can not deduce that > > > > > because an EMF protective device neutralizes the effects of > > > something > > > > > like a mobile phone that the measurable emf waves do not cause > > > the > > > > > bad effect when the protective device is not present or that > > > there > > > > > are other waves that are proven to exist as a result of this > > > > > experiment. There could simply be an interaction the emf > waves > > > and > > > > > the device which causes the waves to be less harmful or even > > > > > benificial now. You can theorize about the existence of > scalar > > > waves > > > > > but you can not draw these conclusions based upon what you are > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > - In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello, Cara, > > > > > > > > > > > >I will try to make it simple. It actually is quite simple. > > > > > > > > > > > >Scalar waves that always coincide with the transversal waves > one > > > > > can measure > > > > > >are the biologically effective ones. The effect of these > scalar > > > > > waves depends > > > > > >on the information they carry, like the music in the radio > > > > > imprinted on the > > > > > >radio waves has a good or bad effect on you. This information > > > > > imprinted on the > > > > > >scalar waves can be erazed. That´s what these "devices" > usually > > > do. > > > > > But the > > > > > >waves themselves are still there like a carrier wave. So why > not > > > > > using them to > > > > > >carry a life supporting positive information or specific > > > > > homoeopathic > > > > > >information. Many bioelectrical tools on the market do this > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > >In one experiment I was using a transmitter of 6,8 MHz that > > > causes > > > > > a lot of > > > > > >electrosmog, that I could measure in electroacupuncture. Then > > > after > > > > > some > > > > > >minutes I fixed a small salt crystal to the antenna, and the > > > > > negative effect that > > > > > >was accumulating throughout the time of the experiment > stopped > > > to > > > > > further > > > > > >accumulate. Then I removed the crystal and put a piece of > paper > > > > > with a special > > > > > >geometrical structure on it on the transformer that made the > > > > > required 5 volts for > > > > > >the transmitter from 220 volts, and the accumulated negative > > > effect > > > > > >disappeared immediatedly. Then I was using my mobile while > this > > > > > transmitter was still > > > > > >on, and there was no negative effect from the mobile, it even > > > > > turned positiv, > > > > > >what I had not expected. There is a company in Switzerland > named > > > > > Coufal that > > > > > >seems to use this effect alreaday. > > > > > > > > > > > >Another simple experiment derived from an observation Nikola > > > Tesla > > > > > has made > > > > > >more than 100 years ago is the following. Using the above > > > mentioned > > > > > transmitter > > > > > >of 6.8MHz and "enjoying" the e-smog at a distance of about 2 > m > > > and > > > > > measuring > > > > > >it, after some minutes I asked another person to sit near to > the > > > > > transmitter > > > > > >at about 0,5 m, and the growing negative effect on my body > > > > > subsided. This and > > > > > >other similiar experiments and observations with ES-people > > > showed > > > > > clearly, that > > > > > >a biological organism seems to actively attract these scalar > > > waves > > > > > and absorb > > > > > >them, so that other people in the vicinity remain unaffected. > > > Now > > > > > the problem > > > > > >is that ES-people have a much stronger attraction to these > waves > > > > > than normal > > > > > >people. The solution on the other hand means, to find tools > that > > > > > attract these > > > > > >waves better than a biological organism. This is no problem > with > > > > > normal > > > > > >people but often impossible with electrosensitive people > because > > > of > > > > > their strong > > > > > >attraction to these waves. You understand now, why these > devices > > > > > sometimes work > > > > > >in some people and sometimes not, and why some seem to work > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > >others. These devices also have different effectivity for > > > different > > > > > frequencies. > > > > > >This makes it rather complicated as you can see from the > reports > > > in > > > > > this list. > > > > > >But hopefully you have now an idea why this is so. > > > > > > > > > > > >Dietrich Gruen > > > > > > > > > > > >cara_evangelista@h... wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Hi Marc,
Your comment on nutrition makes sense. Unfortunately in the case of my husband we have not yet been able to break through whatever it is that's making his body reject everything that's supposed to help. Nutritional supplements and regular food seem just as likely to provoke a bad reaction as anything else. Or the nutrition just doesn't seem to be getting through. So, we keep looking for something 1) that will break the downward spiral and 2) that he can tolerate. On the plus side of things, I had my first set of amalgams removed last week and the process went fairly smoothly. Bad headache for a few days, that's all. And I could feel the improvement in ES almost immediately. Very impatient to get the rest of theamagams out; unfortunately my doc has me on a slow-and-steady schedule. Something about giving my immune system time to recover. Cara --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > > Also, I saw an old post (from Beau I think) describing a bad > > reaction he had to the Bioprotect card. > > It might have been me... I've tried several such cards -- the > Bioprotect, the Green 8, the RA*D*AR card, and the Safespace > Environmental Protection card. Generally I don't have the > greatest results. If you call up the manufacturers of these > things, they will often say that you're experiencing a > "detox reaction", and that it will probably go away with > time. This may be true in some cases, but I think sometimes > the provoked detox reveals a nutritional weakness of some > sort, and that you may need to fix that weakness before > being able to tolerate the card. > > Marc > |
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> Your comment on nutrition makes sense. Unfortunately in the case of my
> husband we have not yet been able to break through whatever it is > that's making his body reject everything that's supposed to help. Yes, when one is really bad off, you usually need to address the mulitple issues in a specific order. Figuring this out can be very difficult, although if you can find a competent EAV tester or muscle-tester it can be made significantly easier. > On the plus side of things, I had my first set of amalgams removed last > week and the process went fairly smoothly. Bad headache for a few days, > that's all. And I could feel the improvement in ES almost immediately. When I had my fillings out, I thought originally that my ES had been cured. However, after about 5 days, it gradually came back again. After subsequent dental visits over the years, I came to the conclusion that it was the novocaine shot that gave me the temporary improvement in ES symptoms. Marc |
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I know what you mean about the novocaine shot. I thought my amalgam removalwas going
miraculously smoothly until the novocaine wore off and the splitting headache began! I know my ES isn't cured, because I still feel the symptoms. What's different is the intensity of throbbing in the jaw right where the biggest filling used to be. I am looking forward to at least not having *that* particular symptom every time I stand near the stove or a computer or under a fluorescent light at a store. Cara --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > When I had my fillings out, I thought originally that my ES had been > cured. However, after about 5 days, it gradually came back again. > After subsequent dental visits over the years, I came to the conclusion > that it was the novocaine shot that gave me the temporary improvement > in ES symptoms. > > Marc > |
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