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Green smoothies are from the raw food world. Victoria Boutenko, a famous teacher in the raw food movement, said that after many years of being 100% raw, she felt her health declining (I personally don't think it is a balanced enough diet, for me, long-term -- but it is a great healing diet -- tremendous for detoxification). She said she did a lot of research, and what she ended up with was the green smoothie. And now that she drinks that everyday, her health has been great. She has written 2 books on the topic of green smoothies. She is an avid researcher; I respect her work.
Green smoothies are a mixture of greens (like spinach, Romaine, kale, collards, chard, wild greens like miner's lettuce, and there are many, many others) mixed with fruit -- any fruit. And some water, so it's not too thick to drink. And you blend it all up. You need a high speed blender, to completely blend the greens. (I have a Blendtect blender, the other kind in America is the Vitamix. They cost $400, but I think I could detox with green smoothies alone. Or at least that they could play a critical role in my detoxing. So it seemed worth the money to me. (One doctor's appt. is $265.)) There are many fancier recipes out there, but I only need something to be edible, myself. I have problems with fruit when I eat it alone (except berries and apples and low-glycemic fruit), but I don't have problems with fruit when it is blended with greens. The recipes I've been doing since I began are: a small handful of spinach, 1/2 a clam of raspberries, or 7 strawberries, and 1/2 a cup of water. That makes about 8 oz., and I don't quite drink allof it. I have to start slow because of the detoxing effect. also, one ripe banana (with black spots) and a small amount of Romaine lettuce and water etc. I do simple recipes. One green, one fruit, plus water. I must say, they are tasty. And, before I had to back down to such a smallamount, I noticed a dramatic lessening of brain inflammation (and a consequent ability to be clear and think and read well!), and a dramatic return to regularity (after being dependent on an enema for 15 years). It's in part the fiber that helps with that, though I think there are all sorts of synergistic effects. Magnesium, for instance, promotes peristalsis. I think the greens are filled with minerals, which are very helpful for detoxification. The chlorophyll binds heavy metals. You have to rotate greens a lot though, and use as much variety as possible. There are tiny bits of toxinsin greens (plants discourage animals from eating too many of their leaves,but not their fruits) -- that's why you have to rotate. I'm excited about this path. We'll see what happens next! -Sue --- In [hidden email], Amy Green <amygreen53@...> wrote: > > How do you make green smoothies? What do you put in them? > > > > ________________________________ > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 11:00:32 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > Cheryl, > > That is fascinating and frightening, about the "negative polarization" and absorbing metals into the body! > > Grounding the body may be a great thing to do, while I am detoxing. My friend recommended a book titled "Earthing" about grounding the body. I don't know about its quality. > > Yes, that is my doctor's and my strategy for detoxing -- low and slow -- and gradually building up the dosage as my body gets more and more detoxed.My doctor said that at some point, things will start to snowball, and detoxing will happen quicker and quicker. The process builds. You just consistently go with lower doses until a higher dosage can be tolerated... > > Green smoothies are my current detox agent of choice. I had had a lot oftrouble with binders -- so disruptive, before I would find the right dose,and hard to make 1/27 of a capsule! Though I am also homeless right now, and when more stability comes, I was going to try the 1/27 of a capsule again. But the green smoothies seem a little less harsh and disruptive. > > -Sue > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. You brought out some interesting ideas. > > > > I don't know if my theory on metal poisoning holds water, but here goes. > > > > I found out years ago that I had a "negative polarization of the body".I didn't know at the time that that was most likely caused by living near an electrical power tower. I discovered that the horrible rashes on my hands were from using silverware. Once I switched to plastic utensils the rashes vanished. Apparently my negative polarity caused me to absorb metal ions which are positive. So any metal that I came into contact with was being slowly absorbed into my body. > > > > The metal poisoning did have a very negative effect on my immune system, as you mentioned. Before starting the chelation I had severe colds almostdaily for 1 1/2 years. That was the first sign that something was terriblywrong with my body. > > > > Makes sense? > > > > If you are very toxic you may want to start out with just a small dose of whatever you use and work your way up to a larger one. For example, whenI first tried 'detoxilean' it said to take 4 per day. I discovered I couldonly take 1/2 capsule per day or I was too exhausted to function. Later I was able to take more, gradually increasing the dosage. > > > > Cheryl > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> wrote: > > > > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > As I started to mention earlier, I'm wondering if it isn't people's heavy metal poisoning, that makes them sensitive to electrosmog. > > > > > > > > I see others have said a strong immune system is the key factor. I know mercury, and toxins in general, severely disrupt the immune system. I think it works the other way, too, a disrupted immune system cannot detox thebody properly. I have heard it said that immunity and toxicity are tightly bound together. > > > > > > > > EDTA -- my suspicion is that that would be way too strong for me at this point -- toxin load is too high -- but I am getting out of my own area ofknowledge here. > > > > > > > > I'm glad it worked for you! > > > > > > > > I'm going to talk about these issues some more with my doctor, thanks to this interesting discussion... > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of us who have E.S. > > > > > tend to get it? > > > > > > > > > > In regards to what may work I can briefly tell you may own personal story. In the early 1990's I became so ill that I was often too weak to stand up very long. Some days I was in bed most of the day. I was only in my mid-30's and with no health insurance as I was far too sick to work. I was super blessed that a lady who owned a health food store told me I had metal poisoning. I believe she saved my life as I would have never figured that out on my own. At the time I didn't know it was the power tower that I lived near that was making me so ill and she never asked me about it. She just said by my symptoms I most likely had metal poisoning. She sold me some EDTA oral chelation which I took faithfully. As soon as I started on it I started to drink 5 gallons of water daily due to excessive thirst. That gives yousome indication of how very toxic I was! I guess I was lucky that I got itright the first time as the EDTA helped so much. Within 6 months I was > > > > > well enough to stand long enough to go back to teaching part-time. So the EDTA worked well for me. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone.That is what makes it so difficult to know what to do. What works for one person may actually harm another. And when detoxing works we temporarily feel worse and that adds to the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this info helps. > > > > > > > > > > I welcome comments on this and wish everyone the best of luck in regaining their health.Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > CherylÃâà > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@> > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Marc I agree it is hard to know what is stored in the organs. Not a test for that one unfortuneately.Ãâà Not tolerating the chelators is just an example of the damage to your system I believe. It's a life long journey this detox thing. Loni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you had a heavy metal test lately to see where you are?Ãâà I think > > > > > > > > > > > that for some of us the damage could very well be permanent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My lab tests actually aren't too bad for metals lately, but my > > > > > > > > > > intolerance to all chelators indicates that I'm still worse off > > > > > > > > > > now than most people ever are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I've heard that lab tests tend to normalize long before > > > > > > > > > > the problem has actually been resolved. So while the metal > > > > > > > > > > content in my hair is pretty good these days, it may not be > > > > > > > > > > that great in my brain or liver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
Green Smoothies and food in general (was: Re: Heavy metals)
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Green smoothies: good for minerals/vitamins/detox, I think so too. Your body absorbs minerals much better from vegetable juice (vs plain raw vegetables) especially if your intestines aren't functioning 100%.
I use a blender now for 2 weeks, and once every 2 or 3 days I juice only a quarter of a glass. Even that small amount feels healthy throughout the dayI must say. After reading your post Sue I may experiment with adding a little bit fruitto my "smoothie" (mostly I don't eat fruit because I'm also sensitive to it). For people with a sensitive pancreas (like me) or diabetes/hypoglykemia, there is one thing to watch out for, if you drink a lot of smoothies with fruit/carrots it may heighten your blood sugar level quite a lot... It all depends on the quantities of course, but you may be surprised what one glass of carrots contains! Concerning food, in my opinion the 3 most important rules: 1. Try to skip as much as possible on unhealthy stuff: yes, I must be a diet genius to state something like that! ;-) So better not: sugar, sweeteners, NaCl, grains, gluten, E-numbers, pesticides, so probably most processed foods,... Yes in my opinion we should go back in time, sth like 10,000 years ;-) 2. Check your intolerances/allergies and try to eat accordingly. 3. Choose food that gets you more into balance... That's personal and depends on your situation. I would recommend here especially Chinese/Tibetan medicine or (my favourite) Ayurveda... With me for instance, an Ayurveda and Tibetan therapist both diagnosed me (listening to heartbeat,...) too vata (right now) and too little pitta (my constitution), so they advised me to eat more boiled/cooked vegetables... Their diagnose made a lot of sense to me, also from other point of views (I'mtoo yin, too acid and my digestion is too slow). It's also for that reason I drink a very limited amount of smoothies! from the Ayurveda/Tibetan/Chinese point of view it's very logic that the raw-food-fanatics may not be perfect with eating raw all the time... Althoughraw food is very healthy, whether it's perfect for you to eat raw all the time depends on your constitution and your "situation" at that particular moment... Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@...> wrote: > > Green smoothies are from the raw food world. Victoria Boutenko, a famousteacher in the raw food movement, said that after many years of being 100%raw, she felt her health declining (I personally don't think it is a balanced enough diet, for me, long-term -- but it is a great healing diet -- tremendous for detoxification). She said she did a lot of research, and what she ended up with was the green smoothie. And now that she drinks that every day, her health has been great. She has written 2 books on the topic ofgreen smoothies. She is an avid researcher; I respect her work. > > Green smoothies are a mixture of greens (like spinach, Romaine, kale, collards, chard, wild greens like miner's lettuce, and there are many, many others) mixed with fruit -- any fruit. And some water, so it's not too thickto drink. And you blend it all up. You need a high speed blender, to completely blend the greens. (I have a Blendtect blender, the other kind in America is the Vitamix. They cost $400, but I think I could detox with green smoothies alone. Or at least that they could play a critical role in my detoxing. So it seemed worth the money to me. (One doctor's appt. is $265.)) > > There are many fancier recipes out there, but I only need something to beedible, myself. I have problems with fruit when I eat it alone (except berries and apples and low-glycemic fruit), but I don't have problems with fruit when it is blended with greens. The recipes I've been doing since I began are: > > a small handful of spinach, 1/2 a clam of raspberries, or 7 strawberries,and 1/2 a cup of water. That makes about 8 oz., and I don't quite drink all of it. I have to start slow because of the detoxing effect. > > also, one ripe banana (with black spots) and a small amount of Romaine lettuce and water > > etc. I do simple recipes. One green, one fruit, plus water. > > I must say, they are tasty. And, before I had to back down to such a small amount, I noticed a dramatic lessening of brain inflammation (and a consequent ability to be clear and think and read well!), and a dramatic returnto regularity (after being dependent on an enema for 15 years). It's in part the fiber that helps with that, though I think there are all sorts of synergistic effects. Magnesium, for instance, promotes peristalsis. I think the greens are filled with minerals, which are very helpful for detoxification. The chlorophyll binds heavy metals. You have to rotate greens a lot though, and use as much variety as possible. There are tiny bits of toxins in greens (plants discourage animals from eating too many of their leaves, but not their fruits) -- that's why you have to rotate. > > I'm excited about this path. We'll see what happens next! > > -Sue > > --- In [hidden email], Amy Green <amygreen53@> wrote: > > > > How do you make green smoothies? What do you put in them? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 11:00:32 AM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > > > Cheryl, > > > > That is fascinating and frightening, about the "negative polarization" and absorbing metals into the body! > > > > Grounding the body may be a great thing to do, while I am detoxing. Myfriend recommended a book titled "Earthing" about grounding the body. I don't know about its quality. > > > > Yes, that is my doctor's and my strategy for detoxing -- low and slow -- and gradually building up the dosage as my body gets more and more detoxed. My doctor said that at some point, things will start to snowball, and detoxing will happen quicker and quicker. The process builds. You just consistently go with lower doses until a higher dosage can be tolerated... > > > > Green smoothies are my current detox agent of choice. I had had a lot of trouble with binders -- so disruptive, before I would find the right dose, and hard to make 1/27 of a capsule! Though I am also homeless right now, and when more stability comes, I was going to try the 1/27 of a capsule again. But the green smoothies seem a little less harsh and disruptive. > > > > -Sue > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > > > Thanks for the quick response. You brought out some interesting ideas. > > > > > > I don't know if my theory on metal poisoning holds water, but here goes. > > > > > > I found out years ago that I had a "negative polarization of the body". I didn't know at the time that that was most likely caused by living near an electrical power tower. I discovered that the horrible rashes on my hands were from using silverware. Once I switched to plastic utensils the rashes vanished. Apparently my negative polarity caused me to absorb metal ions which are positive. So any metal that I came into contact with was being slowly absorbed into my body. > > > > > > The metal poisoning did have a very negative effect on my immune system, as you mentioned. Before starting the chelation I had severe colds almost daily for 1 1/2 years. That was the first sign that something was terribly wrong with my body. > > > > > > Makes sense? > > > > > > If you are very toxic you may want to start out with just a small dose of whatever you use and work your way up to a larger one. For example, when I first tried 'detoxilean' it said to take 4 per day. I discovered I could only take 1/2 capsule per day or I was too exhausted to function. Later I was able to take more, gradually increasing the dosage. > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> wrote: > > > > > > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > As I started to mention earlier, I'm wondering if it isn't people's heavy metal poisoning, that makes them sensitive to electrosmog. > > > > > > > > > > > > I see others have said a strong immune system is the key factor. I know mercury, and toxins in general, severely disrupt the immune system. I think it works the other way, too, a disrupted immune system cannot detox the body properly. I have heard it said that immunity and toxicity are tightly bound together. > > > > > > > > > > > > EDTA -- my suspicion is that that would be way too strong for me at this point -- toxin load is too high -- but I am getting out of my own area of knowledge here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad it worked for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to talk about these issues some more with my doctor, thanksto this interesting discussion... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of us who have E.S. > > > > > > > tend to get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regards to what may work I can briefly tell you may own personalstory. In the early 1990's I became so ill that I was often too weak to stand up very long. Some days I was in bed most of the day. I was only in my mid-30's and with no health insurance as I was far too sick to work. I was super blessed that a lady who owned a health food store told me I had metalpoisoning. I believe she saved my life as I would have never figured that out on my own. At the time I didn't know it was the power tower that I lived near that was making me so ill and she never asked me about it. She just said by my symptoms I most likely had metal poisoning. She sold me some EDTA oral chelation which I took faithfully. As soon as I started on it I started to drink 5 gallons of water daily due to excessive thirst. That gives you some indication of how very toxic I was! I guess I was lucky that I got it right the first time as the EDTA helped so much. Within 6 months I was > > > > > > > well enough to stand long enough to go back to teaching part-time.So the EDTA worked well for me. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone. That is what makes it so difficult to know what to do. What works for one person may actually harm another. And when detoxing works we temporarily feel worse and that adds to the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this info helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I welcome comments on this and wish everyone the best of luck in regaining their health.Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CherylÃâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Marc I agree it is hard to know what is stored in the organs. Not a test for that one unfortuneately.Ãâà Not tolerating the chelators is just an example of the damage to your system I believe. It's a life long journey this detox thing. Loni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you had a heavy metal test lately to see where you are?Ãâà I think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that for some of us the damage could very well be permanent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My lab tests actually aren't too bad for metals lately, but my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intolerance to all chelators indicates that I'm still worse off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now than most people ever are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I've heard that lab tests tend to normalize long before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem has actually been resolved. So while the metal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > content in my hair is pretty good these days, it may not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that great in my brain or liver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! 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Thanks Sue -- I'll give it a try! Amy
________________________________ From: lolahunt3 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 9:05:19 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals Green smoothies are from the raw food world. Victoria Boutenko, a famous teacher in the raw food movement, said that after many years of being 100% raw, she felt her health declining (I personally don't think it is a balanced enough diet, for me, long-term -- but it is a great healing diet -- tremendous for detoxification). She said she did a lot of research, and what she ended up with was the green smoothie. And now that she drinks that everyday, her health has been great. She has written 2 books on the topic of green smoothies. She is an avid researcher; I respect her work. Green smoothies are a mixture of greens (like spinach, Romaine, kale, collards, chard, wild greens like miner's lettuce, and there are many, many others) mixed with fruit -- any fruit. And some water, so it's not too thick to drink. And you blend it all up. You need a high speed blender, to completely blend the greens. (I have a Blendtect blender, the other kind in America is the Vitamix. They cost $400, but I think I could detox with green smoothies alone. Or at least that they could play a critical role in my detoxing. So it seemed worth the money to me. (One doctor's appt. is $265.)) There are many fancier recipes out there, but I only need something to be edible, myself. I have problems with fruit when I eat it alone (except berries and apples and low-glycemic fruit), but I don't have problems with fruit when it is blended with greens. The recipes I've been doing since I began are: a small handful of spinach, 1/2 a clam of raspberries, or 7 strawberries, and 1/2 a cup of water. That makes about 8 oz., and I don't quite drink allof it. I have to start slow because of the detoxing effect. also, one ripe banana (with black spots) and a small amount of Romaine lettuce and water etc. I do simple recipes. One green, one fruit, plus water. I must say, they are tasty. And, before I had to back down to such a smallamount, I noticed a dramatic lessening of brain inflammation (and a consequent ability to be clear and think and read well!), and a dramatic return to regularity (after being dependent on an enema for 15 years). It's in part the fiber that helps with that, though I think there are all sorts of synergistic effects. Magnesium, for instance, promotes peristalsis. I think the greens are filled with minerals, which are very helpful for detoxification. The chlorophyll binds heavy metals. You have to rotate greens a lot though, and use as much variety as possible. There are tiny bits of toxinsin greens (plants discourage animals from eating too many of their leaves,but not their fruits) -- that's why you have to rotate. I'm excited about this path. We'll see what happens next! -Sue --- In [hidden email], Amy Green <amygreen53@...> wrote: > > How do you make green smoothies? What do you put in them? > > > > ________________________________ > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 11:00:32 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > Cheryl, > > That is fascinating and frightening, about the "negative polarization" and absorbing metals into the body! > > Grounding the body may be a great thing to do, while I am detoxing. My friend recommended a book titled "Earthing" about grounding the body. I don't know about its quality. > > Yes, that is my doctor's and my strategy for detoxing -- low and slow -- and gradually building up the dosage as my body gets more and more detoxed.My doctor said that at some point, things will start to snowball, and detoxing will happen quicker and quicker. The process builds. You just consistently go with lower doses until a higher dosage can be tolerated... > > Green smoothies are my current detox agent of choice. I had had a lot oftrouble with binders -- so disruptive, before I would find the right dose,and hard to make 1/27 of a capsule! Though I am also homeless right now, and when more stability comes, I was going to try the 1/27 of a capsule again. But the green smoothies seem a little less harsh and disruptive. > > -Sue > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. You brought out some interesting ideas. > > > > I don't know if my theory on metal poisoning holds water, but here goes. > > > > I found out years ago that I had a "negative polarization of the body".I didn't know at the time that that was most likely caused by living near an electrical power tower. I discovered that the horrible rashes on my hands were from using silverware. Once I switched to plastic utensils the rashes vanished. Apparently my negative polarity caused me to absorb metal ions which are positive. So any metal that I came into contact with was being slowly absorbed into my body. > > > > The metal poisoning did have a very negative effect on my immune system, as you mentioned. Before starting the chelation I had severe colds almostdaily for 1 1/2 years. That was the first sign that something was terriblywrong with my body. > > > > Makes sense? > > > > If you are very toxic you may want to start out with just a small dose of whatever you use and work your way up to a larger one. For example, whenI first tried 'detoxilean' it said to take 4 per day. I discovered I couldonly take 1/2 capsule per day or I was too exhausted to function. Later I was able to take more, gradually increasing the dosage. > > > > Cheryl > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> wrote: > > > > From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > As I started to mention earlier, I'm wondering if it isn't people's heavy metal poisoning, that makes them sensitive to electrosmog. > > > > > > > > I see others have said a strong immune system is the key factor. I know mercury, and toxins in general, severely disrupt the immune system. I think it works the other way, too, a disrupted immune system cannot detox thebody properly. I have heard it said that immunity and toxicity are tightly bound together. > > > > > > > > EDTA -- my suspicion is that that would be way too strong for me at this point -- toxin load is too high -- but I am getting out of my own area ofknowledge here. > > > > > > > > I'm glad it worked for you! > > > > > > > > I'm going to talk about these issues some more with my doctor, thanks to this interesting discussion... > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of us who have E.S. > > > > > tend to get it? > > > > > > > > > > In regards to what may work I can briefly tell you may own personal story. In the early 1990's I became so ill that I was often too weak to stand up very long. Some days I was in bed most of the day. I was only in my mid-30's and with no health insurance as I was far too sick to work. I was super blessed that a lady who owned a health food store told me I had metal poisoning. I believe she saved my life as I would have never figured that out on my own. At the time I didn't know it was the power tower that I lived near that was making me so ill and she never asked me about it. She just said by my symptoms I most likely had metal poisoning. She sold me some EDTA oral chelation which I took faithfully. As soon as I started on it I started to drink 5 gallons of water daily due to excessive thirst. That gives yousome indication of how very toxic I was! I guess I was lucky that I got itright the first time as the EDTA helped so much. Within 6 months I > > > > > well enough to stand long enough to go back to teaching part-time. So the EDTA worked well for me. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone.That is what makes it so difficult to know what to do. What works for one person may actually harm another. And when detoxing works we temporarily feel worse and that adds to the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this info helps. > > > > > > > > > > I welcome comments on this and wish everyone the best of luck in regaining their health. > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@> > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Marc I agree it is hard to know what is stored in the organs. Not a test for that one unfortuneately. Not tolerating the chelators is just an example of the damage to your system I believe. It's a life long journey this detox thing. Loni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you had a heavy metal test lately to see where you are? I think > > > > > > > > > > > that for some of us the damage could very well be permanent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My lab tests actually aren't too bad for metals lately, but my > > > > > > > > > > intolerance to all chelators indicates that I'm still worse off > > > > > > > > > > now than most people ever are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I've heard that lab tests tend to normalize long before > > > > > > > > > > the problem has actually been resolved. So while the metal > > > > > > > > > > content in my hair is pretty good these days, it may not be > > > > > > > > > > that great in my brain or liver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Thyroid hormone doesn't work without iodine however having said that you can take too much iodine & it could be toxic. I do one drop in the am when I take armour thyroid. It is considered a trace mineral so we don't need muchof it. Loni
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals/iodine? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 1:07 PM > On a different forum there is a lot of talk about iodine's ability > to remove heavy metals. Are they on to something? Both my docs > want me to take it anyway for my thyroid. Anyone here have > experience with iodine? I've found that I often feel better eating seaweed-based foods, which are high in iodine. As for supplementation, it depends on the amount. The RDA for iodine is only 0.150 mg, and I have no problem taking that. However, iodine advocates often suggest taking much more than this, like 12 mg per day (80 times the RDA) or 50 mg per day (333 times the RDA). I personally start feeling bad at about 5 mg per day, but I can take 1 mg per day without problems. As for it removing heavy metals, some say it does, others say it doesn't. It is also supposed to remove other harmful chemicals like bromide and flouride, so it might be worth it just for that. Also it's supposed to help the thyroid, and is an anti-bacterial/ anti-fungal. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Do you have a link to the ACZ Nano liquid?
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> Do you have a link to the ACZ Nano liquid?
http://www.resultsrna.com/products/acz_nano_overview.php Marc |
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Thanks for the link. I'm going to try a bottle.
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> Thanks for the link. I'm going to try a bottle.
And hopefully report anything here... :-) Some people report miraculous results from liquid zeolite... I can't get past the severe dehydration and muscle aches I get from even a small amount. Some claim that the solution to adverse side effects is to increase the dose, but I'm not trying that... Marc |
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Hi Marc, Which brand of zeolite do you use? I have been taking them for 11 months now. They turned my life around. I was extremely mercury toxic and heavy metal toxic. I ended up in the er where they had to stop and start my heart twice to get it out of a supra ventricular tachycardia. I tried EDTA,DMSA, ALA, all of which had horrendous redistribution for me.
Fortunately I found a source for NCD Zeolite where a person doesn't have tobe a distributor and it is about half price. I worked my way up to 30 drops a day and now I am at 9 to 15 drops day mixed with my water. In the beginning I would put the drops in my mouth. Since i have clean a lot of the heavy metals out of me my tolerance to emf s has improved. Carl --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. I'm going to try a bottle. > > And hopefully report anything here... :-) > > Some people report miraculous results from liquid zeolite... > I can't get past the severe dehydration and muscle aches > I get from even a small amount. Some claim that the > solution to adverse side effects is to increase the > dose, but I'm not trying that... > > Marc > |
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I just thought I'd throw in that I once tried one bottle of NCD Liquid Zeolite, and don't recall feeling anything at all, good or bothersome from it. I think I worked up to whatever the full dosage was quite quickly, maybe even exceeding it. Admittedly, I don't recall what my general state was at that time, and it was some time ago; if I ever find some at a reasonable price again, I may try again, and would let people here know how it went.
R. --- On Wed, 6/16/10, highlander_archer <[hidden email]> wrote: From: highlander_archer <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals To: [hidden email] Received: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 2:56 PM Hi Marc, Which brand of zeolite do you use? I have been taking them for 11 months now. They turned my life around. I was extremely mercury toxicand heavy metal toxic. I ended up in the er where they had to stop and start my heart twice to get it out of a supra ventricular tachycardia. I triedEDTA, DMSA, ALA, all of which had horrendous redistribution for me. Fortunately I found a source for NCD Zeolite where a person doesn't have tobe a distributor and it is about half price. I worked my way up to 30 drops a day and now I am at 9 to 15 drops day mixed with my water. In the beginning I would put the drops in my mouth. Since i have clean a lot of the heavy metals out of me my tolerance to emf s has improved. Carl --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. I'm going to try a bottle. > > And hopefully report anything here... :-) > > Some people report miraculous results from liquid zeolite... > I can't get past the severe dehydration and muscle aches > I get from even a small amount. Some claim that the > solution to adverse side effects is to increase the > dose, but I'm not trying that... > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I just thought I'd throw in that I once tried one bottle of NCD Liquid
> Zeolite Yes, the reactions to NCD seem to be one of the following: -- miraculous, cured some problem -- didn't notice anything -- adverse reaction, cannot take I fall into the "adverse reaction" category (typical for me) Marc |
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> Hi Marc, Which brand of zeolite do you use?
I've purchased about 5 different brands of zeolite over the years, but due to adverse reactions to all of them, I can't say that I "use" any of them. Marc |
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D'oh! True, it does seem that you most often fall into the "bad reaction" category when it comes to things like that. Here's hoping you eventually land in the "tolerating a high dose with a good response" category!
R. --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals To: [hidden email] Received: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 4:14 PM > I just thought I'd throw in that I once tried one bottle of NCD Liquid > Zeolite Yes, the reactions to NCD seem to be one of the following: -- miraculous, cured some problem -- didn't notice anything -- adverse reaction, cannot take I fall into the "adverse reaction" category (typical for me) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes, I'll keep you posted on what it does for me. As for the DSMA, they say it doesn't pull metals out of the brain but I find it is good for brain fog that I get in the early morning when I wake up. If I wake up early and take a dmsa pill around 5 am it wakes my brain right up. But I can't take more than one or two child size capsules in a day. I take them at night. That is all I'm taking right now. Last time I took a break from the ALA I did clay baths for two years. But I'm not going to do that this time. I'm going to take DMSA and try this zeolite.
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> As for the DSMA, they
> say it doesn't pull metals out of the brain but I find it is good for > brain fog that I get in the early morning when I wake up. They say that DMSA doesn't get to metals in the brain, but I think perhaps us ES-folks have a non-working blood-brain barrier, so EVERYTHING gets to the brain (the metals and the chelators) Marc |
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I'm interested in this DSMA because I have brain fog in the am. Probably due to the pollen but not sure. What brand are you taking? Loni
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 3:57 PM Yes, I'll keep you posted on what it does for me. As for the DSMA, they sayit doesn't pull metals out of the brain but I find it is good for brain fog that I get in the early morning when I wake up. If I wake up early and take a dmsa pill around 5 am it wakes my brain right up. But I can't take more than one or two child size capsules in a day. I take them at night. That is all I'm taking right now. Last time I took a break from the ALA I did clay baths for two years. But I'm not going to do that this time. I'm going to take DMSA and try this zeolite. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hey Marc,
I do believe that Hypersentivity is one of the results of damage to the blood brain barrier. Loni --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 4:17 PM > As for the DSMA, they > say it doesn't pull metals out of the brain but I find it is good for > brain fog that I get in the early morning when I wake up. They say that DMSA doesn't get to metals in the brain, but I think perhaps us ES-folks have a non-working blood-brain barrier, so EVERYTHING gets to the brain (the metals and the chelators) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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When I started the NCD zeolites I could only tolerate one drop three times a day. I was very toxic! I finally worked up to 30 drops. From what I have seen or heard of for those people who don't feel any different, they may not be that toxic with heavy metals. If you feel terrible when you use the zeolite you may be taking to much and detoxing to fast. Razors edge here. Also from what I have researched, NCD Zeolite by Waiora is the only one that crosses into the blood stream. Any way, I am always on the look out for a better product that will get me out of this crises.
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> Also from what I have researched, NCD Zeolite by Waiora
> is the only one that crosses into the blood stream. Any way, Actually, having tried several types of liquid zeolite products on the market, I'd say that they are all pretty similar. I personally think ACZ Nano is the best, and I believe Dr. Lyn Hanshew (a big zeolite advocate) also thinks this (or at least she did a few years ago). Because NCD is a multi-level marketing supplement, I think you find distributors making wild claims about it being superior so that they can increase their sales. Marc |
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http://www.1to1vitamins.com/products/dmsa_for_children.html
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