re: Adrenals/ Evie

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> Hello Charles,
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> Yes the consuming people are the problem. Without them there would no need.
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> On the immune system Charles; How do you know that the immune system is the key system responsible for EHS?  I have been working on the immune system & I really am no less sensitive to electricity. Not to say thatmy immune system is totally repaired; most likely not but.....
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> Loni
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, charles <charles@...> wrote:
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> From: charles <charles@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 1:32 AM
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> Yes cristals may help normal people.
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> And people who are electrosensitive at a low level for a short while.
> But not at very hard electrosensitives.
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> And by using cristals, it is like mopping the floor, with the faucet wideopen.
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> But indeed ist is that simple by just repairing the immuune system.
> When you have succeeded in doing that, you again belong to the 75 % of the population, that is not hindered by elektrosmog, and who do not need any cristal or gizmo.
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> When you have succeeded in doing that, you again can live in an elektrosmog filled surrounding.
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> Beware, I am not saying that elektrosmog is right, it is far from right, but at the moment we cannot stop the expansion of it.
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> Overhere, there are enough mobile phone masts to have enough coverage.
> Still the number of mastst do have to be doubled, because more and more people are using the new gadgets like the iPhone for wireless internet.
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> So the mastst are not the problem, but the consuming people are.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> Diane and Evie
> I cant recommend crystals enough to help with the symptoms of ES.Charles knows a great deal, and i find his knowledge useful, but there is no need to insult people. It is not as simple as just repairing your immune system. And if you disagree with someone there are other ways of saying things.
> Crystals have been used for thousands of years because of their healing frequencies.
> Question to the scientist: If quarzes had no effect at all why are they used in watches, film cameras and computers? Surely not for their magic powers??
> Best
> Giles
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> --- On Fri, 11/6/10, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 23:23
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> Hi, Dear Charles,
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> I go by the principal that ALL things have frequencies. I kept an open mind about this--after all, using gems like this would have been considered heresy in my former life as a very religious Church musician. What I found was rose quartz DOES help me sleep! Mother of pearl also calms and nurtures me, amazonite will give me a particularly deep sleep, but I don't like to use it if I am using an alarm clock or it will make me foggy-headed and out of sorts if I wake too soon.
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> What principal does your foot bath work on? It works because of frequencies, too; it detoxes due to its frequencies and how protons and electrons act. Some of my necklaces detox me too, Charles! Get over it, dear. You used to put me down because I talked about healing the immune system and body all the time. And now you are putting me down for something next year YOU will suddenly discover and adopt as your own idea, too! lol I remember when you used to trash talk me because I thought healing was key to recovering from ES instead of using gadgets and reworking wiring! You are a wonderfully knowledgeable guy who I highly respect for your knowledge in various areas (never mind my disrespectful attitude; I am like this with anyone who tries to manipulate me; I am not easily led by the nose!) But charming you are not--you could have disagreed agreeably, BUT NOOOOO, not Charles. Hope it made you happy, Charles. lol It is not
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> enough in this day and age to simply put women down. You must first scientifically prove your point. Nicely. Anything less just proves you are a neanderthal.
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> My 2 cents,
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> Diane/Evie
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> --- On Fri, 6/11/10, charles <charles@...> wrote:
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> From: charles <charles@...>
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:59 PM
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> Don't forget to add a few prayers.
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> To Mary the Virgin, f.i.
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> Or to Joseph.
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> Polished stones only work when you have added some voodoo rituals.
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> Sorry ladies, but here we are talking about the hard harsh cruel world ofelectromagnetics.
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> First of all, repair your immune system.
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> If you do that, your electrosensitivity will be gone.
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> Greetings,
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> Charles Claessens
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> member Verband Baubiologie
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> www.milieuziektes.nl
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> www.milieuziektes.be
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> www.hetbitje.nl
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> checked by Norton
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> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:28 PM
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> > Evie, I was under the impression that polished stones are not as powerful
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> Hi everyone,
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> In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those ofus who have E.S.
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> In regards to what may work I can briefly tell you may own personal story. In the early 1990's I became so ill that I was often too weak to stand upvery long. Some days I was in bed most of the day. I was only in my mid-30's and with no health insurance as I was far too sick to work. I was super blessed that a lady who owned a health food store told me I had metal poisoning. I believe she saved my life as I would have never figured that out onmy own. At the time I didn't know it was the power tower that I lived nearthat was making me so ill and she never asked me about it. She just said by my symptoms I most likely had metal poisoning. She sold me some EDTA oralchelation which I took faithfully. As soon as I started on it I started todrink 5 gallons of water daily due to excessive thirst. That gives you some indication of how very toxic I was! I guess I was lucky that I got it right the first time as the EDTA helped so much. Within 6 months I was
> well enough to stand long enough to go back to teaching part-time. So the EDTA worked well for me. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone. That is what makes it so difficult to know what to do. What works for one person may actually harm another. And when detoxing works we temporarily feel worse and that adds to the confusion.
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> Hope this info helps.
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> I welcome comments on this and wish everyone the best of luck in regaining their health. 
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> Cheryl 
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:
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> From: Loni <loni326@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:08 AM
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> Yes Marc I agree it is hard to know what is stored in the organs. Not a test for that one unfortuneately.  Not tolerating the chelators is just an example of the damage to your system I believe. It's a life long journey this detox thing. Loni
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:49 AM
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> > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of
> > us who have E.S. tend to get it?
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> Your question makes it sound like someone gets ES first, then heavy metal
> poisoning later. I think the most likely scenario is that one gets
> heavy metal poisoning first, then when the poisoning gets bad
> enough, one of the symptoms of that poisoning is ES.
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> Hello Charles,
>  
> Yes the consuming people are the problem. Without them there would no need.
>  
> On the immune system Charles; How do you know that the immune system is the key system responsible for EHS?  I have been working on the immune system & I really am no less sensitive to electricity. Notto say that my immune system is totally repaired; most likely not but.....
>  
> Loni
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, charles <charles@...> wrote:
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> From: charles <charles@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 1:32 AM
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> Yes cristals may help normal people.
>
> And people who are electrosensitive at a low level for a short while.
> But not at very hard electrosensitives.
>
> And by using cristals, it is like mopping the floor, with the faucet wideopen.
>
> But indeed ist is that simple by just repairing the immuune system.
> When you have succeeded in doing that, you again belong to the 75 % of the population, that is not hindered by elektrosmog, and who do not need any cristal or gizmo.
>
> When you have succeeded in doing that, you again can live in an elektrosmog filled surrounding.
>
> Beware, I am not saying that elektrosmog is right, it is far from right, but at the moment we cannot stop the expansion of it.
>
> Overhere, there are enough mobile phone masts to have enough coverage.
> Still the number of mastst do have to be doubled, because more and more people are using the new gadgets like the iPhone for wireless internet.
>
> So the mastst are not the problem, but the consuming people are.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
>
> Diane and Evie
> I cant recommend crystals enough to help with the symptoms of ES.Charles knows a great deal, and i find his knowledge useful, but there is no need to insult people. It is not as simple as just repairing your immune system. And if you disagree with someone there are other ways of saying things.
> Crystals have been used for thousands of years because of their healing frequencies.
> Question to the scientist: If quarzes had no effect at all why are they used in watches, film cameras and computers? Surely not for their magic powers??
> Best
> Giles
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> --- On Fri, 11/6/10, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 23:23
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> Hi, Dear Charles,
>
> I go by the principal that ALL things have frequencies. I kept an open mind about this--after all, using gems like this would have been considered heresy in my former life as a very religious Church musician. What I found was rose quartz DOES help me sleep! Mother of pearl also calms and nurtures me, amazonite will give me a particularly deep sleep, but I don't like to use it if I am using an alarm clock or it will make me foggy-headed and out of sorts if I wake too soon.
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> What principal does your foot bath work on? It works because of frequencies, too; it detoxes due to its frequencies and how protons and electrons act. Some of my necklaces detox me too, Charles! Get over it, dear. You used to put me down because I talked about healing the immune system and body all the time. And now you are putting me down for something next year YOU will suddenly discover and adopt as your own idea, too! lol I remember when you used to trash talk me because I thought healing was key to recovering from ES instead of using gadgets and reworking wiring! You are a wonderfully knowledgeable guy who I highly respect for your knowledge in various areas (never mind my disrespectful attitude; I am like this with anyone who tries to manipulate me; I am not easily led by the nose!) But charming you are not--you could have disagreed agreeably, BUT NOOOOO, not Charles. Hope it made you happy, Charles. lol It is not
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> enough in this day and age to simply put women down. You must first scientifically prove your point. Nicely. Anything less just proves you are a neanderthal.
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> My 2 cents,
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> Diane/Evie
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> --- On Fri, 6/11/10, charles <charles@...> wrote:
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> From: charles <charles@...>
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:59 PM
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> Don't forget to add a few prayers.
>
> To Mary the Virgin, f.i.
>
> Or to Joseph.
>
> Polished stones only work when you have added some voodoo rituals.
>
> Sorry ladies, but here we are talking about the hard harsh cruel world ofelectromagnetics.
>
> First of all, repair your immune system.
>
> If you do that, your electrosensitivity will be gone.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Charles Claessens
>
> member Verband Baubiologie
>
> www.milieuziektes.nl
>
> www.milieuziektes.be
>
> www.hetbitje.nl
>
> checked by Norton
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: <e4health@...>
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> To: <[hidden email]>
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> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:28 PM
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> > Evie, I was under the impression that polished stones are not as powerful
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> > as raw and unpolished. Do you agree with that?
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> > Estelle
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> Stephen,
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> I was agreeing with Charles if you had read the response correctly & I said people meaning all people so I don't appreciate the lecture.  Loni.
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Adrenals/ Evie
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:19 AM
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> Loni, do you drive a car, do you buy industrial products,...? In that case you're also one of the "consuming persons"!
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> You may as well say it's the fault of all 6 billion people. Even babies are actually to blame in your reasoning!
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> We all know that cars/planes/transport/industry/chemicals/emf/... slowly destroy the earth's health...
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> Still we keep on driving cars, buy industrial products...
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> You may not use your cellphone all the time because you know/feel it's unhealthy, NOT because you think that it would make any difference for society!
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> This behaviour is very natural, because we know that if we would change our behaviour we individually would not benefit from a "cleaner/healthier earth".
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> FOR DILEMMAS LIKE THAT a long time ago WE HAVE INVENTED POLITICS!
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> With voting for the right changes, an entire nation has to obey the new laws, which is still the fastest way to change society, or maybe even better: a revolution!
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> I'm a big fan of Nader, the only one in the States who had a good understanding of true and independent democratic politics!
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> Stephen.
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> --- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@> wrote:
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> > Hello Charles,
> >  
> > Yes the consuming people are the problem. Without them there would no need.
> >  
> > On the immune system Charles; How do you know that the immune system isthe key system responsible for EHS?  I have been working on theimmune system & I really am no less sensitive to electricity. Not to say that my immune system is totally repaired; most likely not but.....
> >  
> > Loni
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, charles <charles@> wrote:
> >
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> > From: charles <charles@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 1:32 AM
> >
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> >  
> >
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> > Yes cristals may help normal people.
> >
> > And people who are electrosensitive at a low level for a short while.
> > But not at very hard electrosensitives.
> >
> > And by using cristals, it is like mopping the floor, with the faucet wide open.
> >
> > But indeed ist is that simple by just repairing the immuune system.
> > When you have succeeded in doing that, you again belong to the 75 % of the population, that is not hindered by elektrosmog, and who do not need any cristal or gizmo.
> >
> > When you have succeeded in doing that, you again can live in an elektrosmog filled surrounding.
> >
> > Beware, I am not saying that elektrosmog is right, it is far from right, but at the moment we cannot stop the expansion of it.
> >
> > Overhere, there are enough mobile phone masts to have enough coverage.
> > Still the number of mastst do have to be doubled, because more and morepeople are using the new gadgets like the iPhone for wireless internet.
> >
> > So the mastst are not the problem, but the consuming people are.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christina Steils" <csteils@>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> >
> > Diane and Evie
> > I cant recommend crystals enough to help with the symptoms of ES.Charles knows a great deal, and i find his knowledge useful, but there is no needto insult people. It is not as simple as just repairing your immune system. And if you disagree with someone there are other ways of saying things.
> > Crystals have been used for thousands of years because of their healingfrequencies.
> > Question to the scientist: If quarzes had no effect at all why are theyused in watches, film cameras and computers? Surely not for their magic powers??
> > Best
> > Giles
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/6/10, Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Evie <evie15422@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 23:23
> >
> > Hi, Dear Charles,
> >
> > I go by the principal that ALL things have frequencies. I kept an open mind about this--after all, using gems like this would have been consideredheresy in my former life as a very religious Church musician. What I foundwas rose quartz DOES help me sleep! Mother of pearl also calms and nurtures me, amazonite will give me a particularly deep sleep, but I don't like touse it if I am using an alarm clock or it will make me foggy-headed and out of sorts if I wake too soon.
> >
> > What principal does your foot bath work on? It works because of frequencies, too; it detoxes due to its frequencies and how protons and electrons act. Some of my necklaces detox me too, Charles! Get over it, dear. You used to put me down because I talked about healing the immune system and body all the time. And now you are putting me down for something next year YOU will suddenly discover and adopt as your own idea, too! lol I remember when you used to trash talk me because I thought healing was key to recovering from ES instead of using gadgets and reworking wiring! You are a wonderfullyknowledgeable guy who I highly respect for your knowledge in various areas(never mind my disrespectful attitude; I am like this with anyone who tries to manipulate me; I am not easily led by the nose!) But charming you are not--you could have disagreed agreeably, BUT NOOOOO, not Charles. Hope it made you happy, Charles. lol It is not
> >
> > enough in this day and age to simply put women down. You must first scientifically prove your point. Nicely. Anything less just proves you are a neanderthal.
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> >
> > Diane/Evie
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/11/10, charles <charles@> wrote:
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> > From: charles <charles@>
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> > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> > To: [hidden email]
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> > Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:59 PM
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> > Don't forget to add a few prayers.
> >
> > To Mary the Virgin, f.i.
> >
> > Or to Joseph.
> >
> > Polished stones only work when you have added some voodoo rituals.
> >
> > Sorry ladies, but here we are talking about the hard harsh cruel world of electromagnetics.
> >
> > First of all, repair your immune system.
> >
> > If you do that, your electrosensitivity will be gone.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Charles Claessens
> >
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> >
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> >
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> >
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> >
> > checked by Norton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: <e4health@>
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> > To: <[hidden email]>
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> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:28 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] re: Adrenals/ Evie
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> > > Evie, I was under the impression that polished stones are not as powerful
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> > > as raw and unpolished. Do you agree with that?
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> > > Estelle
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> The other thing I thought of is that I heard that electrosmog disrupts the blood-brain barrier. I think that means toxins like heavy metals can cross over into the brain (as well as infections). So it could be a bit of a 2-way street, as well...
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> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of
> > > us who have E.S. tend to get it?
> >
> > Your question makes it sound like someone gets ES first, then heavy metal
> > poisoning later. I think the most likely scenario is that one gets
> > heavy metal poisoning first, then when the poisoning gets bad
> > enough, one of the symptoms of that poisoning is ES.
> >
> > Marc
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> Regards tight junction permeabiliton in blood brain barrier, yes it seemsthat EMF causes metal poisoning.
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> EMF or NaCl or gluten do all open the tight junctions... They've proven that. And once the tjs are opened, they're happy to welcome the toxic/metal stuff!
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> Dietrich Grün has stated that EMF makes the blood clog (also with healthy people): which is probably because the tjs are opened?... When wearing aBioprotect card the blood doesn't clog...
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> Stephen.
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> --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
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> > The other thing I thought of is that I heard that electrosmog disrupts the blood-brain barrier. I think that means toxins like heavy metals can cross over into the brain (as well as infections). So it could be a bit of a 2-way street, as well...
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> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of
> > > > us who have E.S. tend to get it?
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> > > Your question makes it sound like someone gets ES first, then heavy metal
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> Hi Sue,
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> Thanks for the quick response. You brought out some interesting ideas.
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> I don't know if my theory on metal poisoning holds water, but here goes.
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> I found out years ago that I had a "negative polarization of the body". Ididn't know at the time that that was most likely caused by living near anelectrical power tower. I discovered that the horrible rashes on my hands were from using silverware. Once I switched to plastic utensils the rashes vanished. Apparently my negative polarity caused me to absorb metal ions which are positive. So any metal that I came into contact with was being slowly absorbed into my body.
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> If you are very toxic you may want to start out with just a small dose ofwhatever you use and work your way up to a larger one. For example, when Ifirst tried 'detoxilean' it said to take 4 per day. I discovered I could only take 1/2 capsule per day or I was too exhausted to function. Later I was able to take more, gradually increasing the dosage.
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> wrote:
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> From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals
> To: [hidden email]
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> --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
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> > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@> wrote:
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> Thanks for the quick response. You brought out some interesting ideas.
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> I don't know if my theory on metal poisoning holds water, but here goes.
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> I found out years ago that I had a "negative polarization of the body". Ididn't know at the time that that was most likely caused by living near anelectrical power tower. I discovered that the horrible rashes on my hands were from using silverware. Once I switched to plastic utensils the rashes vanished. Apparently my negative polarity caused me to absorb metal ions which are positive. So any metal that I came into contact with was being slowly absorbed into my body.
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> The metal poisoning did have a very negative effect on my immune system, as you mentioned. Before starting the chelation I had severe colds almost daily for 1 1/2 years. That was the first sign that something was terribly wrong with my body.
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> Makes sense?
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> If you are very toxic you may want to start out with just a small dose ofwhatever you use and work your way up to a larger one. For example, when Ifirst tried 'detoxilean' it said to take 4 per day. I discovered I could only take 1/2 capsule per day or I was too exhausted to function. Later I was able to take more, gradually increasing the dosage.
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> --- On Sun, 6/13/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> wrote:
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> From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heavy metals
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 11:53 AM
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> I see others have said a strong immune system is the key factor. I know mercury, and toxins in general, severely disrupt the immune system. I think it works the other way, too, a disrupted immune system cannot detox the body properly. I have heard it said that immunity and toxicity are tightly bound together.
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> EDTA -- my suspicion is that that would be way too strong for me at this point -- toxin load is too high -- but I am getting out of my own area of knowledge here.
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> I'm glad it worked for you!
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> I'm going to talk about these issues some more with my doctor, thanks to this interesting discussion...
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> Best,
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> Sue
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> --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
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> > Hi everyone,
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> >
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> > In regards to the metal poisoning, what is your theory as to why those of us who have E.S.
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> > tend to get it?
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> >
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> > In regards to what may work I can briefly tell you may own personal story. In the early 1990's I became so ill that I was often too weak to stand up very long. Some days I was in bed most of the day. I was only in my mid-30's and with no health insurance as I was far too sick to work. I was super blessed that a lady who owned a health food store told me I had metal poisoning. I believe she saved my life as I would have never figured that out on my own. At the time I didn't know it was the power tower that I lived near that was making me so ill and she never asked me about it. She just saidby my symptoms I most likely had metal poisoning. She sold me some EDTA oral chelation which I took faithfully. As soon as I started on it I started to drink 5 gallons of water daily due to excessive thirst. That gives you some indication of how very toxic I was! I guess I was lucky that I got it right the first time as the EDTA helped so much. Within 6 months I was
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> > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Loni <loni326@> wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Heavy metals
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> > To: [hidden email]
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