plasma TV

BTW, I'm wondering how you guys found out your neighbors had plasma TV's if it was not in your own house.  Was it through an instrument, and which one?

PUK replies - no meter required my body told me initially, the signal was  
so bad that in terms of ES symptoms I may as well have sat by a mobile phone
 mast for hours on end.  The signal radiated off all conductive meterials
in  my house and garden, times by at least 7 more house doing the same let
alone the  scource house over the road.  I confirmed my fears by using an AM
radio one  which is riduculously open to RF interference, not all radios are
as bad as  rejecting RF as my cherished one.
 
puk - PS I have begun to write my story re the plasma via voice rec  
software and can release this at some stage
 
 
In a message dated 15/05/2011 01:37:10 GMT Daylight Time,  
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BTW, I'm wondering how you guys found out your neighbors had plasma TV's if
 it was not in your own house. Was it through an instrument, and which  one?




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I have no idea if my neighbor's TV was plasma -
LCD TVs hurt as well. I was able to hear the audio
through the wall of the condo. Usually I felt the
pain first, then confirmed it was on by putting my
ear against the wall. I was not able to measure it
with an AM radio, or any other meter.

It baffles me that most of the folks on this site
watch TV at all. I can only use is a 7 inch, battery
operated, portable DVD player about 5 feet away. Most
of the time that even hurts.

Eli


--- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote:
>
> BTW, I'm wondering how you guys found out your neighbors had plasma TV's if it was not in your own house.  Was it through an instrument, and which one?
>

> It baffles me that most of the folks on this site
> watch TV at all. I can only use is a 7 inch, battery
> operated, portable DVD player about 5 feet away. Most
> of the time that even hurts.

Well, there are different levels/types of sensitivities
on this group, and also there are various ways around TV
problems.  I personally use distance between me and the TV,
use an LCD instead of plasma, lower the LCD backlight
setting, use EMF protection devices, and avoid 1080p inputs
(1080i is okay).  Also, I had to shop around for a Blu-ray
player that I could tolerate.

Marc

If we were much worse, we probably wouldn't get on the computer to begin with. :-)  To answer your bafflement, some of us are at this site b/c we reacted to wireless technologies (much more than computers/TV's).  I've read many stories that began with wireless sensitivity and later evolved into electronics sensitivity.  I thought it was due to wireless damage that they became sensitive to electronics.  However, now I suspect the electronics can cause harm apart from wireless frequencies.  


--- In [hidden email], "ahappyhabitat" <ahappyhabitat@...> wrote:

There is also the issue of how we manage and cope with our ES symptoms, I  
have come to terms with the fact that I cant spend that long on my computer,
 presently I am sitting 1.6m away from the laptop which is running zoomtext
 software to allow me to see the text without glasses, I have an infared
mouse  but of course the keyboard spews out many of the computers RF in close
proximity  to me, if I stay on this to long I will end up feeling like my
brain/mind has  locked and will not be able to think clearly for some time
after.  So I  have tried to mitigate the problems, but have to accept that I
will feel like  crap, its a trade off that I am willing to make, otherwise I w
ould end a hermit  somewhere.  I also make sure that I do not let the fear
of getting hurt or  ill completely rule over me, else the phychological tale
will begin to wag the  ES striken dog.  The stress of the latter is imbued
in the condition like  all other conditions so we have to be measured and
philisophical as we can  otherwise we are beaten through the back door.  That
said I have conquered  the Plasma TV hell only to lose a local battle in that
we are soon to get a  12.5m (6 anntena) mast vodaphone/o2 within 500m of
our house - that said there  are many other houses in the way of it and me,
never the less my time here may  be coming to an end, so all my rational above
will mean sweet FA !
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 16/05/2011 06:17:56 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
If we were much worse, we probably wouldn't get on the computer to begin  
with. :-) To answer your bafflement, some of us are at this site b/c we  
reacted to wireless technologies (much more than computers/TV's). I've read  
many stories that began with wireless sensitivity and later evolved into  
electronics sensitivity. I thought it was due to wireless damage that they  
became sensitive to electronics. However, now I suspect the electronics can  
cause harm apart from wireless frequencies.

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,  
"ahappyhabitat" <ahappyhabitat@...> wrote: "emraware"  <emraware@> wrote:
> >
> > BTW, I'm wondering how you  guys found out your neighbors had plasma
TV's if it was not in your own house.  Was it through an instrument, and which
one?
>  >
>





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Swedish Law on ES
In Sweden, electrohypersensitivity
 (EHS)* is an officially fully recognized functional impairment (i.e., it is not regarded as a disease, thus no diagnosis* exists; N.B. This is not special for Sweden, the terms "functional impairment" and "disease" are defined according to various international documents (see below)). Thus, the first step for a person in Sweden with a functional impairment is to contact the municipality’s special civil servant for disability issues, as well as the various handicap organizations and authorities, to achieve accessability measures of various types with the sole aim to have an equal life in a society based on equality (according to the The UN 22 Standard Rules on the Equalization of Opportunities for People with Disabilities - since 2007 upgraded into The UN Convention on Human Rights for Persons with Functional Impairments, http://www.un.org).

[*It’s symptoms are classified as an occupationally-related symptom-based diagnosis (code ICD-10) by the Nordic Council of Ministers since 2000. DIVS: 2000:839; ISBN: 92-893-0559-2http://www.nordclass.uu.se/verksam/yrke_s.htm]

Persons with the functional impairment electrohypersensitivity have their own handicap organization, The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive (http://www.feb.se; the website has an English version). This organization is included in The Swedish Disability Federation (Handikappförbundens SamarbetsOrgan; HSO; http://www.hso.se; the site has an English short version). As a consequence of this, The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive receives an annual governmental subsidy.

In Sweden, impairments are viewed from the point of the environment. No human being is in itself impaired, there are instead shortcomings in the environment that cause the impairment. Thus, it is the environment that should be “treated”! This environment-related impairment view means that even though one does not have a scientifically-based complete explanation for the impairment electrohypersensitivity, and in contrast to disagreements in the scientific society, the person with electrohypersensitivity shall always be met in a respectful way and with all necessary support with the single goal to eliminate the impairment.

An impairment is - by definition - not defined by someone else or proven by certain tests, etc. The impairment is always personal (private) and develops when in contact with an inferior environment.

[N.B. Remember that functional impairments are only based upon each individual’s impaired accessability to - and contact with - an inferior environment (cf. the UN), thus, there is actually no need for any “recognition” in local laws (cf. the UN). In Sweden, the former Minister of Health and Social Affairs, Lars Engqvist - as a member of the previous government - anyhow gave his “approval” in a letter dated May, 2000 [Regeringskansliet 2000-04-06, Dnr S2000/2158/ST]. He also made it clear in his response that for EHS persons there are no restrictions or exceptions in the handicap laws and regulations. Thus, these laws and regulations are to be fully applied also for EHS persons.]

Treating members of the community equally is not something that should be done as a favour; nor is it something that any parliament or government should politely request other inhabitants to provide others with. Equality is not something to be done “out of the goodness of one’s heart”. It is something one does because it is expected of every citizen, because inaccessibility and discrimination are prohibited by law. Thus, it is not alright to deliberately make your symptoms worse. This implies that the person with electrohypersensitivity should have the opportunity to live and work in an electrosanitised environment. To force a person to quit one's employment or to move from one's home is a serious legal violation.

The electrically hypersensitive must therefore, in every situation and by all available means, demand respect¸ representation and power. They shall very clearly reject all approaches which reflect 
a mentality of “feeling pity for them” or “caring for them”. Inaccessibility is not a personal problem. It is a problem for society. Inaccessibility is not about attitudes. It is about discrimination. And discriminatory actions and conduct shall not be dealt with 
by well-meaning talk about treatment. Discrimination is already illegal!

This view can fully be motivated in relation to national and
international handicap laws and regulations, including the UN 22
Standard Rules/UN Convention and the Swedish Action Plan for 
Persons with Impairments (prop. 1999/2000:79 “Den nationella 
handlingplanen för handikappolitiken – Från patient till medborgare”; Proposition 1999/2000:79, 1999/2000:SoU14). Also, the Human Rights Act in the EU fully applies.

I say, there must be an end to nonchalance, lack of consideration, indifference and lack of respect on the part of society. Never accept discriminatory treatment or an insulting special treatment. Stand up for other’s rights and in this way you’ll stand up for your own future!

I would like to quote the very wise words of Jan Åberg, a freelance writer in Trollhättan, Sweden, “Everything that happens to us human beings only happens as long as we accept it”. For how long will your authorities and their civil servants accept it? Would they demand the same type of proofs if it was about themselves, their children, mother, father…?

Finally, remember we all must adhere to and follow all the handicap laws and regulations. To do the opposite is a serious violation and should immediately be reported/filed as an official legal complaint to your local authorities, parliament, government, the EU and the UN. This is of particular importance since Katri Linna, the former Swedish Diskrimineringsombudsman (=the Equality Ombudsman), clearly states in the newspaper Sydsvenskan (January 23-26, 2009; http://sydsvenskan.se/chattarkiv/article408013.ece) that “electrohypersensitivity is – according to the law – a functional impairment and I recommend EHS persons that are discriminated to file a complaint”.
In addition, please, also note the following governmental documents (in Swedish).The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive gets a governmental subsidy as a handicap organization according to SFS 2000:7 §2 (SFS = The Swedish Governmental Statute-Book) [Regeringsbeslut 950621 nr. 8, Dnr: S1995/2965].EHS persons’ right to get disablement allowances has been settled in the The Swedish Supreme Administrative Court, i.a. in the judgement 
”dom 2003-01-29, mål nr. 6684-2001″.Here are, in addition, two cases when two people with EHS - through the
conclusions in courts - getting the right to support (from the state).“Kammarrättens i Jönköping dom 2002-05-15 i mål nr 2644-2001 ang bilstöd till Maria G., född 1966, bl.a. elöverkänslighet.”“Kammarrättens i Göteborg dom 2007-07-11 i mål nr 1229-07 ang. bilstöd för SP, född år 1953. (Länsrätten i Göteborgs dom 2007-01-18
i mål nr 1582-06).”


 



 










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As I was looking into voice recognition, I realized microsoft has it in vista/windows 7.  Looking at accessibility features, you can also get an onscreen keyboard, meaning you could "type" with your mouse if it bothers you less than the keyboard.  Could be much slower but it's available.

Control Panel > Ease of Access Center
Control Panel > Speech Recognition


--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

An auto-mouse clicker program might help on top of this
(used by people with rsi). I used a free one years ago but I forget the name.

--- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote:

Interesting website that shows maps of USA cell coverage, and you can see
"dead zones" as well:
http://www.deadcellzones.com/wi-ex.html

Emil

Anybody in this group know what would be a good instrument to measure fallout from Fukushima?  Some just give radiation levels but don't tell which isotope it is measuring.  Others do, I hear.

With continuing problems projected, the fallout will grow and there will be a shortage of geiger counters, etc.  In fact, with this govt, they may even outlaw them... to protect national security, of course.

Any advice?  Thanks,

Marji

 

Hi Marji and all interested,

Last year I got the Radex 1503 calibrated and made in Russia.
I got it because of my proximity to Hanford, WA, and was wondering how
my horse tested positive for radionuclides in 2007, including thorium,
and wanted to test the rocks and water and etc...

I learned last year this location had an average 16 microRems/hr and the
highest I had seen was mid-20's from one kind of rock. I know it works,
because the smoke detector puts out 80uR/h, and just like measuring
magnetics and EMF it drops down logrythmically or exponentially with
distance.

Fast forward to this year, I started testing 3x daily when the Fukushima
trajedy started, when going outside like to feed in the barn, and wrote
down the high and low I saw. After a week, I started writing down also
spikes during the short cycles during startup.
I now update that chart every other day at:
http://seaHorseCorral.org/images/weather/weatherRepublicDailyChart10-microRemHour-e.gif
or check the parent page for the proper description and update image:
http://seaHorseCorral.org/weatherCharts.html

I have seen elevated readings, but not high enough to meet my alert
level of 30 uR/h on the long cycle (44 sec) until May.05 when I finally
saw a 32.
Also, I did see elevated readings May.11-12 that coincided with this
forecast graphic:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/05/12/emergency-levels-japan-nuclear-radiation-forecasts-censored-public-22648/


And again May.16 a spike up to 48 on the short cycle, and 28 on the
proper long cycle.

The problem with measuring hard radiation, is like most things in
nature, they come in waves, and so the longer the cycle, the better the
average smoothens out the jumps up and down. So the short cycles are
probably better ignored, but may also indicate higher levels in the
unmixed air.
The only problem with measuring this way, and with this equipment, is
that I can not let it run 24/7 because I need to manually look every 44
seconds to see the current reading. So I can be easily missing the
bigger picture, if a "cloud" blows by when I'm not watching.

Good news is that I am not seeing constant alert levels like first
feared. So the atmosphere is not Saturated with serious levels. But I
have seen a trend for higher average readings, which I can not graph for
the already mentioned reasons. I now see mid 20's as the average instead
of upper teens.
Considering the spent fuel ponds are no longer ponds, and have exploded,
spreading much into the surrounding air and ocean, this crisis is worse
than Chernobyl and will be a big problem long term, even though the news
media has stopped covering it.

http://lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/hi-res-photographic-proof-reactor-core-exploded-unit-3-0

Stewart



Marjij wrote:
> Anybody in this group know what would be a good instrument to measure fallout from Fukushima?  Some just give radiation levels but don't tell which isotope it is measuring.  Others do, I hear.
>
> With continuing problems projected, the fallout will grow and there will be a shortage of geiger counters, etc.  In fact, with this govt, they may even outlaw them... to protect national security, of course.
>
> Any advice?  Thanks,
>  

Doesn't really say what all the different colors signify?  Not many dead zones what so ever. Loni

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From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] cell phone dead zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 6:48 AM


 



Interesting website that shows maps of USA cell coverage, and you can see
"dead zones" as well:
http://www.deadcellzones.com/wi-ex.html

Emil








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> Doesn't really say what all the different colors signify?  Not many dead zones what so ever. Loni

...and a "dead zone" is simply what someone reports -- a "dead zone" for an AT&T phone may be
a "great reception zone" for a Verizon phone.

Marc