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trishaleh

optimal computer use

I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer service job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have some questions:
1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that plugs into the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than yesterday when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the extension cord ground it?
2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the grounding pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble with even minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet, aluminum foil, a plastic bag?

John Puccetti

Re: optimal computer use

1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
2. Running on battery is lower emf.
3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing room.
Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes your
body a better antenna.
I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the current
carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.
Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
805-642-0546
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________________________________
From: trishaleh <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use

I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer service
job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have some
questions:
1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that plugs into
the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than yesterday
when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the extension
cord ground it?
2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the grounding
pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble with even
minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
aluminum foil, a plastic bag?

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BiBrun

Re: optimal computer use

there are cases where a 3 prong charger was better than a similar 2 prong
one, but it could be the internal switching frequencies were different. Or
it could be that the third prong did allow for quieter grounding because it
wasn't as contaminated by the return current of the charger. However,
plugging a 2 prong charger in a 3 prong cord will not have that effect. If
the laptop is metal you can try grounding it with a wire to a pipe or to
the ground prong or screw of an outlet. You may see a reduced electric
field. sometimes flipping the 2 prong plug over reduces the electric
field, though I expect this only helps with the 60 Hz field, not the higher
frequencies.

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Puccetti
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> **
>
>
> 1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
> 2. Running on battery is lower emf.
> 3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing
> room.
> Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes
> your
> body a better antenna.
> I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the
> current
> carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.
> Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> 805-642-0546
> [hidden email]
>
> ________________________________
> From: trishaleh <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
> Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use
>
>
>
> I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer
> service
> job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
> electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have
> some
> questions:
> 1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
> plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that
> plugs into
> the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than
> yesterday
> when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the
> extension
> cord ground it?
> 2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the
> grounding
> pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble
> with even
> minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
> grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
> aluminum foil, a plastic bag?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Elizabeth thode

RE: optimal computer use

Good info....this is where you shine Bruno.
Only part I have to seriously wonder is:
where anyone would get a clean 60 Hz field
when hooked up to the grid!

Lizzie

> To: [hidden email]
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:57:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eSens] optimal computer use
>
> there are cases where a 3 prong charger was better than a similar 2 prong
> one, but it could be the internal switching frequencies were different. Or
> it could be that the third prong did allow for quieter grounding because it
> wasn't as contaminated by the return current of the charger. However,
> plugging a 2 prong charger in a 3 prong cord will not have that effect. If
> the laptop is metal you can try grounding it with a wire to a pipe or to
> the ground prong or screw of an outlet. You may see a reduced electric
> field. sometimes flipping the 2 prong plug over reduces the electric
> field, though I expect this only helps with the 60 Hz field, not the higher
> frequencies.
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Puccetti
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > 1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
> > 2. Running on battery is lower emf.
> > 3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing
> > room.
> > Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes
> > your
> > body a better antenna.
> > I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the
> > current
> > carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.
> > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> > 805-642-0546
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: trishaleh <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use
> >
> >
> >
> > I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer
> > service
> > job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
> > electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have
> > some
> > questions:
> > 1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
> > plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that
> > plugs into
> > the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than
> > yesterday
> > when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the
> > extension
> > cord ground it?
> > 2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the
> > grounding
> > pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble
> > with even
> > minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
> > grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
> > aluminum foil, a plastic bag?
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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John Puccetti

Re: optimal computer use

Many things cause dirty electricity, CFL's all the ac to dc transformers dimmer
switches solar panels, your neighbor or the electric utility. I used 12 GS
filters to get my dirty electricity under 40 GS units.

Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
805-642-0546
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________________________________
From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:31:14 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] optimal computer use

Good info....this is where you shine Bruno.
Only part I have to seriously wonder is:
where anyone would get a clean 60 Hz field
when hooked up to the grid!

Lizzie

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Christine D.

Re: optimal computer use

I have experience using the grounding pad from earthing.com. You have to have skin contact with the pad... They compare it to putting your bare feet on the ground. So you cannot cover it with anything other than the conductive cloth cover it comes with. I do better when it is grounded into the actual earth and not into an outlet. I have seen some comments that using the grounding pad in a high-EMF environment might be detrimental.

As far as working in a metal room -- I wouldn't. Using devices in a de facto faraday cage means that all the radiation they give off is trapped in there with you and will concentrate. If you ask me, faraday cages are for equipment, not people.

Christine

--- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote:

>
> Many things cause dirty electricity, CFL's all the ac to dc transformers dimmer
> switches solar panels, your neighbor or the electric utility. I used 12 GS
> filters to get my dirty electricity under 40 GS units.
> Â
> Sent from a Hard-Wired ComputerÂ and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> 805-642-0546
> johnpuccetti@...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:31:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [eSens] optimal computer use
>
> Â
> Good info....this is where you shine Bruno.
> Only part I have to seriously wonder is:
> where anyone would get a clean 60 Hz field
> when hooked up to the grid!
>
>
> Lizzie
>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: wbruno@...
> > Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:57:31 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] optimal computer use
> >
> > there are cases where a 3 prong charger was better than a similar 2 prong
> > one, but it could be the internal switching frequencies were different. Or
> > it could be that the third prong did allow for quieter grounding because it
> > wasn't as contaminated by the return current of the charger. However,
> > plugging a 2 prong charger in a 3 prong cord will not have that effect. If
> > the laptop is metal you can try grounding it with a wire to a pipe or to
> > the ground prong or screw of an outlet. You may see a reduced electric
> > field. sometimes flipping the 2 prong plug over reduces the electric
> > field, though I expect this only helps with the 60 Hz field, not the higher
> > frequencies.
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Puccetti
> > <johnpuccetti@...>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
> > > 2. Running on battery is lower emf.
> > > 3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing
> > > room.
> > > Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes
> > > your
> > > body a better antenna.
> > > I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the
> > > current
> > > carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.
> > > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> > > 805-642-0546
> > > johnpuccetti@...
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: trishaleh <trishaleh@...>
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
> > > Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer
> > > service
> > > job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
> > > electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have
> > > some
> > > questions:
> > > 1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
> > > plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that
> > > plugs into
> > > the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than
> > > yesterday
> > > when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the
> > > extension
> > > cord ground it?
> > > 2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the
> > > grounding
> > > pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble
> > > with even
> > > minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
> > > grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
> > > aluminum foil, a plastic bag?
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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John Puccetti

Re: optimal computer use

I agree I would not use a house electrical system ground. I sleep on grounding
sheets but I drilled a small hole in the wall and placed my own dedicated
grounding rod at that point. I also check for voltage on the plumbing system
first. Very low.

Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
805-642-0546
[hidden email]

________________________________
From: christinelrc <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 10:04:08 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: optimal computer use

I have experience using the grounding pad from earthing.com. You have to have
skin contact with the pad... They compare it to putting your bare feet on the
ground. So you cannot cover it with anything other than the conductive cloth
cover it comes with. I do better when it is grounded into the actual earth and
not into an outlet. I have seen some comments that using the grounding pad in a
high-EMF environment might be detrimental.

As far as working in a metal room -- I wouldn't. Using devices in a de facto
faraday cage means that all the radiation they give off is trapped in there with
you and will concentrate. If you ask me, faraday cages are for equipment, not
people.

Christine

--- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote:

>
> Many things cause dirty electricity, CFL's all the ac to dc transformers dimmer
>
> switches solar panels, your neighbor or the electric utility. I used 12 GS
> filters to get my dirty electricity under 40 GS units.
> Â
> Sent from a Hard-Wired ComputerÂ and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> 805-642-0546
> johnpuccetti@...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:31:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [eSens] optimal computer use
>
> Â
> Good info....this is where you shine Bruno.
> Only part I have to seriously wonder is:
> where anyone would get a clean 60 Hz field
> when hooked up to the grid!
>
>
> Lizzie
>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: wbruno@...
> > Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:57:31 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] optimal computer use
> >
> > there are cases where a 3 prong charger was better than a similar 2 prong
> > one, but it could be the internal switching frequencies were different. Or
> > it could be that the third prong did allow for quieter grounding because it
> > wasn't as contaminated by the return current of the charger. However,
> > plugging a 2 prong charger in a 3 prong cord will not have that effect. If
> > the laptop is metal you can try grounding it with a wire to a pipe or to
> > the ground prong or screw of an outlet. You may see a reduced electric
> > field. sometimes flipping the 2 prong plug over reduces the electric
> > field, though I expect this only helps with the 60 Hz field, not the higher
> > frequencies.
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Puccetti
> > <johnpuccetti@...>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
> > > 2. Running on battery is lower emf.
> > > 3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing
> > > room.
> > > Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes
> > > your
> > > body a better antenna.
> > > I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the
> > > current
> > > carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.
> > > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> > > 805-642-0546
> > > johnpuccetti@...
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: trishaleh <trishaleh@...>
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
> > > Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer
> > > service
> > > job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
> > > electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have
> > > some
> > > questions:
> > > 1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
> > > plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that
> > > plugs into
> > > the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than
> > > yesterday
> > > when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the
> > > extension
> > > cord ground it?
> > > 2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the
> > > grounding
> > > pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble
> > > with even
> > > minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
> > > grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
> > > aluminum foil, a plastic bag?
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Fog Top

Re: optimal computer use

In reply to this post by trishaleh

A building bau biologist (sp?) with a an electrical background has told me that that using a laptop computer while it's being charged is causing ES in some people. And if your cord is only a two prong instead of a safer three prong cord the effects are greater. You can go to createhealthyhomes.com and search for the link to order a three prong grounded power cord for your laptop -but always try to charge your battery while you're not using it, and even at that charge it in a room as far away from you as possible. You may need to purchase an extra battery so that you always have a charged battery on hand. Go to lessemf.com and purchase a low emf USB keyboard and mouse so that you can sit further away from your computer and increase the zoom level for easier reading.

I would recommend that you purchase a Trifield 100EX meter so that you can see the difference in electromagnetic fields from different devices. I am very ES but can use my desktop computer with an external USB keyboard and mouse and sit far back from the monitor and tower and tolerate it very well. I have a Toshiba laptop and cannot tolerate it even if it's only on battery power and am sitting far away.

There is a low EMF computer listed at Conrad Biologic. He's a electrosensitive PhD who works on computers to make them less EMF, and also has links on his site to makers of low EMF computers.

trishaleh

Re: optimal computer use

In reply to this post by John Puccetti

Thanks for the info, John. You seem to be much more knowledgeable than I am about these things. I am sitting at my friend's laptop in a mobile home with hardyplank siding and indeed, when I move back 6 more inches from the computer, I feel better. When I use my laptop where I live, in a building that is completely porcelain(fused glass on steel) inside and out, I feel bad pretty quickly no matter how far away the computer is from me. Can you explain how using it inside metal makes me react more? Do you (or anyone else) have any suggestions for making it better?

--- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote:

>
> 1. Emf from computer screen drops off very quickly 18 inches.
> 2. Running on battery is lower emf.
> 3. The grounding pads only work for static electricity. ie a manufacturing room.
> Turn off all ac appliances that you can turn off. The grounding just makes your
> body a better antenna.
> I would never use an AC grounding outlet as the utility combines the current
> carrying neutral (white wire)to the ground (green wire)at your AC panel.Â
> Sent from a Hard-Wired ComputerÂ and a low RF environment. John Puccetti
> 805-642-0546
> johnpuccetti@...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: trishaleh <trishaleh@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:26:42 AM
> Subject: [eSens] optimal computer use
>
> Â
> I have chemical sensitivity and am trying to get set up to do a customer service
> job from home where I will need to be on the computer. I have moderate
> electrical sensitivity and do not know much about mediating emf's. I have some
> questions:
> 1) I am currently on my laptop, which has a 2-prong power cord. I have it
> plugged into an extension cord which has three-prongs on the end that plugs into
> the wall. I seem to be feeling better today using it this way than yesterday
> when I was just running it on the battery. Would plugging it into the extension
> cord ground it?
> 2) Does anyone who is chemically sensitive have experience using the grounding
> pads from earthing.com? I work in a 10x10 metal room and have trouble with even
> minute smells from new materials because the space is so small. Would the
> grounding pad still work if I covered it with something - a cotton sheet,
> aluminum foil, a plastic bag?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>