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I just joined this group on behalf of a friend who is too sensative to
work at a computer for more than a minute or two at a time; consequently, she does not have internet service. This woman is disabled by almost everything. The has been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Orthostatic Hypotension and a host of other things which I can't remember right now. She is thinking that if she could get over, or minimize her electromagnetic sensativity she could get on the internet to do research for herself. Right now she asked me to find out about some kind of mattress pad that costs $500 and has a grounding wire. I'm wondering if she could set up a grounding wire without the $500 investment since that is about half her monthly income. If so, how? Does anyone have any advice I could pass on? Thanks |
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Yes, see Deep Sleep Sheet at http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#224
Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomasina carr" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: [eSens] on behalf of a friend > I just joined this group on behalf of a friend who is too sensative to > work at a computer for more than a minute or two at a time; > consequently, she does not have internet service. > > This woman is disabled by almost everything. The has been diagnosed > with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Orthostatic Hypotension > and a host of other things which I can't remember right now. She is > thinking that if she could get over, or minimize her electromagnetic > sensativity she could get on the internet to do research for herself. > > Right now she asked me to find out about some kind of mattress pad > that costs $500 and has a grounding wire. I'm wondering if she could > set up a grounding wire without the $500 investment since that is > about half her monthly income. If so, how? Does anyone have any advice > I could pass on? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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Hello I do not think that a mattress pad will be of any help.
And why a grounding wire? First of all, there should not be any metal parts on the bed. No boxspring. No metal springs in the mattress. No metal hinges on the mattress holder. No metal frame, or supporter of mattress. Etc. No electric clock near the bed. No electrical wiring around or under the bed. No cordless stuff. Etc. Shielding against mobile phone masts and wireless stuff from neighbours. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomasina carr" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 19:47 Subject: [eSens] on behalf of a friend >I just joined this group on behalf of a friend who is too sensative to > work at a computer for more than a minute or two at a time; > consequently, she does not have internet service. > > This woman is disabled by almost everything. The has been diagnosed > with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Orthostatic Hypotension > and a host of other things which I can't remember right now. She is > thinking that if she could get over, or minimize her electromagnetic > sensativity she could get on the internet to do research for herself. > > Right now she asked me to find out about some kind of mattress pad > that costs $500 and has a grounding wire. I'm wondering if she could > set up a grounding wire without the $500 investment since that is > about half her monthly income. If so, how? Does anyone have any advice > I could pass on? > > Thanks > > > > > |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:33 -0000, thomasina carr wrote:
>I just joined this group on behalf of a friend who is too sensative to >work at a computer for more than a minute or two at a time; >consequently, she does not have internet service. > >This woman is disabled by almost everything. The has been diagnosed >with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Orthostatic Hypotension >and a host of other things which I can't remember right now. Hi (this message is directed to all), Interestingly all the diseases you mention *can* be symptoms of chronic mercury intoxication. Please check www.noamalgam.com for details. Get the book, so she can read it herself offline. I myself thought I had CFS when I lived in an apartment with high HF radiation exposure from a cellular phone antenna nearby. Once I moved most (but not all) symptoms of the CFS disappeared. Knowing what might cause the disease is step 1, but -assuming mercury is a big factor,- getting rid of it is quite troublesome and takes a lot of time and perseverance. For me, the mercury detoxing is working out wonderfully. According to my pendulum dowsing rod I'm now down to 2.1 grams. I can now go to supermarkets again without running like a madman, trying to get out as soon as possible to minimize ES symptoms. Now I just go in and take my time and walk out feeling relaxed and comfortable. When I got down to 5 grams (mercury left in my body) I started to feel real improvements. My energy levels and stamina levels started to increase. Also, emotionally the effects are significant. At about 2.5-3.0 grams (mercury left in my entire body) I started to notice that my ES sensitivity started to decrease significantly. It takes longer before I notice a DECT wireless phone is in the room. Fluorescent lights aren't that problematic no more. Also, the time needed to recover is lowered a lot. I think it's important to get *all* mercury out to get rid of all symptoms. And that's the problem. It can take years to get rid of it all. I'm detoxing since August 2005. I think it will take a few more months for me to get rid of it all. Please note, the figures (mercury level in my body) in this message are what the dowsing pendulum tells me. I use the dowsing charts from http://www.lettertorobin.org/ . Interestingly, my pendulum dowsing accuracy levels have increased a lot since I started detoxing mercury. Still now, when I'm having mercury symptoms (which happens when I got constipated while chelating for example) , I notice my dowsing is very inaccurate. The influence of mercury on my emotional and energetic feelings is very strong for sure. My dowsing is still very experimental and perhaps everything I dowse is incorrect, but so far I've gained a lot healthwise by using my dowsing pendulum. I also don't get contradicting answers anymore (unless I'm having mercury symptoms), like I did when I started to dowse 1.5 years ago. About the Lyme virus discussed before. I also think that the Lyme virus can cause havoc because the immune system and the entire body are having a hard time because of the mercury. My hypoglycemia disappeared already because of the mercury detox. My intestines seem a lot more stable already. Mercury causes iodine deficiency which is needed by the duodenum to digest carbohydrates. Mercury detox + iodine supplements seem to cure my Crohn's disease completely. I think and hope that getting rid of the mercury will get rid of a lot of diseases people can have, including Lyme, candida, CFS, fibromyalgia *and* ES. Check www.noamalgam.com for a complete list of diseases (probably) related to mercury. The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand relatively high EM fields while others can't. I think this is a model worth considering: * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two cases: 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield symptoms * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the arteries/blood * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move mercury directly into the blood * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one example), so: * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable enzymes. 2. Just too much mercury * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete it successfully. * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest persons will become ES * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as proposed in case 1. My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read also fit the model. This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of it. Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is turning out a much greater problem than it already was. People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the brains, nervous system, vital organs. A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people experience. Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. Take care, Ed, the Netherlands P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my mercury levels reach zero. I sure hope so! |
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> thinking that if she could get over, or minimize her electromagnetic > sensativity she could get on the internet to do research for herself. I guess my first question is -- what has she tried doing to enable herself to tolerate using the computer? Has she tried using an LCD monitor? Has she tried pushing the computer and monitor as far away from herself as possible (maybe even using some extension cords for the keyboard and mouse)? Has she tried any type of shielding? Has she tried EMF protection devices? There are all sorts of things one can try, but it helps to know what has already been tried and failed... Marc |
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> First of all, there should not be any metal parts on the bed.
There should also be no metal on your friend: * no wire-framed eyeglasses * no underwire bra * no metal dental fillings * no keys in your pocket Perhaps some of these things cannot be avoided, but you get the picture -- the less metal, the better! Marc |
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It is easy to ground the mattress. Cut into the mattress and attach and
aligator clip to the wire and plug the other end into the ground socket. It is much better to buy a natural mattress that has no wire and no off gas from the chemicals and toxins in the plastic and fabrics in the mattress. Tell her to look into removing her metal fillings (correctly through a mercury removal protocol) then doing slow detox to remove her heavy metals and chemicals from her body. She can get a lot of info here on the esens list. Andrew On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:47 PM, thomasina carr wrote: > I just joined this group on behalf of a friend who is too sensative to > work at a computer for more than a minute or two at a time; > consequently, she does not have internet service. > > This woman is disabled by almost everything. The has been diagnosed > with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Orthostatic Hypotension > and a host of other things which I can't remember right now. She is > thinking that if she could get over, or minimize her electromagnetic > sensativity she could get on the internet to do research for herself. > > Right now she asked me to find out about some kind of mattress pad > that costs $500 and has a grounding wire. I'm wondering if she could > set up a grounding wire without the $500 investment since that is > about half her monthly income. If so, how? Does anyone have any advice > I could pass on? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a
good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - e.g. the brain. Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further progress! Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the benefits of chelating. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - Netherlands Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand relatively high EM fields while others can't. I think this is a model worth considering: * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two cases: 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield symptoms * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the arteries/blood * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move mercury directly into the blood * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one example), so: * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable enzymes. 2. Just too much mercury * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete it successfully. * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest persons will become ES * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as proposed in case 1. My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read also fit the model. This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of it. Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is turning out a much greater problem than it already was. People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the brains, nervous system, vital organs. A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people experience. Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. Take care, Ed, the Netherlands P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my mercury levels reach zero. I sure hope so! 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This model certainly makes some sense, and possibly the genetic problem
is with glutathione production, methylation and possibly sulfatization, all issues in the liver. These liver problems are usually present in autistic children, and also in adults with chronic fatigue syndrome, and in both of those cases the people can not detoxify mercury properly. See: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/6978/searchtext/ rich%20van/ --Kurt -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian Kemp Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:03 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [eSens] Ed's mercury model This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - e.g. the brain. Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further progress! Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the benefits of chelating. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - Netherlands Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand relatively high EM fields while others can't. I think this is a model worth considering: * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two cases: 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield symptoms * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the arteries/blood * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move mercury directly into the blood * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one example), so: * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable enzymes. 2. Just too much mercury * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete it successfully. * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest persons will become ES * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as proposed in case 1. My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read also fit the model. This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of it. Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is turning out a much greater problem than it already was. People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the brains, nervous system, vital organs. A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people experience. Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. Take care, Ed, the Netherlands P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my mercury levels reach zero. I sure hope so! 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Thanks Kurt - definitely agree. Different people may have different
problems, but in Sue's case, tests showed that the sulfation pathway was not working and the glutathione had become badly depleted through trying to do too many jobs. Magnesium sulphate (inorganic) and IV glutathione have made a big difference to her general health and chemical sensitivity. If she had not been run down in this way, we are sure she would not have developed ES. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kurt R. Sent: 10 March 2006 16:30 To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [eSens] Ed's mercury model This model certainly makes some sense, and possibly the genetic problem is with glutathione production, methylation and possibly sulfatization, all issues in the liver. These liver problems are usually present in autistic children, and also in adults with chronic fatigue syndrome, and in both of those cases the people can not detoxify mercury properly. See: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/6978/searchtext/ rich%20van/ --Kurt -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian Kemp Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:03 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [eSens] Ed's mercury model This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - e.g. the brain. Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further progress! Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the benefits of chelating. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - Netherlands Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand relatively high EM fields while others can't. I think this is a model worth considering: * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two cases: 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield symptoms * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the arteries/blood * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move mercury directly into the blood * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one example), so: * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable enzymes. 2. Just too much mercury * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete it successfully. * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest persons will become ES * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as proposed in case 1. My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read also fit the model. This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of it. Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is turning out a much greater problem than it already was. People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the brains, nervous system, vital organs. A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people experience. Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. Take care, Ed, the Netherlands P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my mercury levels reach zero. I sure hope so! 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I think this is very close to what you call, "Hitting the nail on the
head". I said not long ago I felt very close to figuring something out myself, and haven't got around to posting. My thought being also that heavy metals being reactive to emf's and we all seem to have these high levels of toxic metals any more, it is going to make the problems worse, not even counting their own effects of killing good bacteria, being neurotoxins, damaging immune system, brain function, etc. Is there anyone else here who has been tested free of mercury? Aluminum as well? Wonder about cadmium, it's in tobacco products, or if you handle batteries w/it, galvanized metals. We get doses of these first two as someone mentioned, first from our mothers when being carried. Then we are loaded up on vaccines, at least here, which contain mercury and aluminum at toxic doses. (I wrote it down somewhere, I think was ? 25mcg. mercury in a flu shot, given to 6month old babies and more. Just one example.) Then we get them in fillings, in food, in the air, and God knows where all. Is it incredible we are still functioning at all? BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a > good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things > can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system > seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are > accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - > e.g. the brain. > > Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a > specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further > progress! > > Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. > other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure > or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! > It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the > benefits of chelating. > > Ian > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - > Netherlands > Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend > > > The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand > relatively high EM fields while others can't. > I think this is a model worth considering: > > * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body > * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin > * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike > * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two > cases: > > 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury > * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury > * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield > symptoms > * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the > deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues > * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets > distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the > arteries/blood > * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the > mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move > mercury directly into the blood > * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive > * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from > fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. > * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often > caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one > example), so: > * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure > to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore > that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable > enzymes. > > 2. Just too much mercury > * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete > it successfully. > * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) > and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest > persons will become ES > * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered > when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as > proposed in case 1. > > My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read > also fit the model. > This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of > it. > > Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is > turning out a much greater problem than it already was. > People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in > deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep > stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the > brains, nervous system, vital organs. > > A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think > mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people > experience. > Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It > lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the > stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. > > Take care, > > Ed, > the Netherlands > > P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my > mercury levels reach zero. 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Hi, Snoshoe,
When I had metal testing, I showed less than the average for them all. I really thought my problem was pesticide poisoning, however. I had numerous incidents with pesticides. I was once sprayed by a plane clearing vegetation for the electric company in the late 60s, for instance. It was an orange substance. However, the pesticide tests didn't show much either! The only toxins we found in huge numbers were food and dysbiosis related toxins. Diane snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: I think this is very close to what you call, "Hitting the nail on the head". I said not long ago I felt very close to figuring something out myself, and haven't got around to posting. My thought being also that heavy metals being reactive to emf's and we all seem to have these high levels of toxic metals any more, it is going to make the problems worse, not even counting their own effects of killing good bacteria, being neurotoxins, damaging immune system, brain function, etc. Is there anyone else here who has been tested free of mercury? Aluminum as well? Wonder about cadmium, it's in tobacco products, or if you handle batteries w/it, galvanized metals. We get doses of these first two as someone mentioned, first from our mothers when being carried. Then we are loaded up on vaccines, at least here, which contain mercury and aluminum at toxic doses. (I wrote it down somewhere, I think was ? 25mcg. mercury in a flu shot, given to 6month old babies and more. Just one example.) Then we get them in fillings, in food, in the air, and God knows where all. Is it incredible we are still functioning at all? BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a > good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things > can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system > seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are > accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - > e.g. the brain. > > Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a > specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further > progress! > > Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. > other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure > or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! > It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the > benefits of chelating. > > Ian > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - > Netherlands > Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend > > > The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand > relatively high EM fields while others can't. > I think this is a model worth considering: > > * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body > * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin > * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike > * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two > cases: > > 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury > * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury > * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield > symptoms > * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the > deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues > * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets > distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the > arteries/blood > * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the > mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move > mercury directly into the blood > * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive > * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from > fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. > * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often > caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one > example), so: > * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure > to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore > that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable > enzymes. > > 2. Just too much mercury > * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete > it successfully. > * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) > and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest > persons will become ES > * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered > when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as > proposed in case 1. > > My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read > also fit the model. > This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of > it. > > Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is > turning out a much greater problem than it already was. > People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in > deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep > stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the > brains, nervous system, vital organs. > > A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think > mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people > experience. > Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It > lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the > stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. > > Take care, > > Ed, > the Netherlands > > P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my > mercury levels reach zero. 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They are nasty. I've had similar experiences, and boy pesticides and
herbicides both bother me. I recall when they started crop dusting our area for mosquitos as kids, whatever they used that year, it killed all the birds too. Over a decade later we still didn't see a recovery of it to what we had either. I read somewhere once, and sorta said "oh yeah", emf allergies behave in the body much the same way as chemical allergies, they can produce the same type of symptoms. Not strange when you think of it all in frequencies, if they match. But getting that stuff out, and nervous system to calm down is something else. Thanks for the input. Will cogitate some more. :) ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > When I had metal testing, I showed less than the average for them all. I really thought my problem was pesticide poisoning, however. I had numerous incidents with pesticides. I was once sprayed by a plane clearing vegetation for the electric company in the late 60s, for instance. It was an orange substance. However, the pesticide tests didn't show much either! The only toxins we found in huge numbers were food and dysbiosis related toxins. > > Diane > |
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According to Dr. Andrew Cutler (he wrote an Amalgam illness book)
mercury toxic people are usually low in many minerals, and in fact sometimes they show no mercury. But when a DMPS challenge is given, the mercury comes out. He says this is because mercury disrupts the mineral absorption and processing systems. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:51 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model Hi, Snoshoe, When I had metal testing, I showed less than the average for them all. I really thought my problem was pesticide poisoning, however. I had numerous incidents with pesticides. I was once sprayed by a plane clearing vegetation for the electric company in the late 60s, for instance. It was an orange substance. However, the pesticide tests didn't show much either! The only toxins we found in huge numbers were food and dysbiosis related toxins. Diane snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: I think this is very close to what you call, "Hitting the nail on the head". I said not long ago I felt very close to figuring something out myself, and haven't got around to posting. My thought being also that heavy metals being reactive to emf's and we all seem to have these high levels of toxic metals any more, it is going to make the problems worse, not even counting their own effects of killing good bacteria, being neurotoxins, damaging immune system, brain function, etc. Is there anyone else here who has been tested free of mercury? Aluminum as well? Wonder about cadmium, it's in tobacco products, or if you handle batteries w/it, galvanized metals. We get doses of these first two as someone mentioned, first from our mothers when being carried. Then we are loaded up on vaccines, at least here, which contain mercury and aluminum at toxic doses. (I wrote it down somewhere, I think was ? 25mcg. mercury in a flu shot, given to 6month old babies and more. Just one example.) Then we get them in fillings, in food, in the air, and God knows where all. Is it incredible we are still functioning at all? BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > This strikes me as being a very reasonable hypothesis - it's certainly a > good attempt to fit the observed symptoms. I would add that other things > can stir up mercury which was in a "safe" place. The body's lymph system > seems to be used to store mercury and other toxins, and if these are > accidentally freed up, they can redistribute to much more harmful places - > e.g. the brain. > > Very interesting to hear that you saw a noticeable drop in symptoms at a > specific mercury level - will be very interesting to hear of further > progress! > > Personally I think there are probably other causes for some ES cases (i.e. > other things that seriously weaken the immune system), but if we could cure > or alleviate the mercury related ones, that would be a huge step forward! > It seems to fit with what other people in the group have reported on the > benefits of chelating. > > Ian > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed - > Netherlands > Sent: 09 March 2006 20:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] on behalf of a friend > > > The genetic differences in people can explain why some people can withstand > relatively high EM fields while others can't. > I think this is a model worth considering: > > * Virtually everybody has (large) amounts of mercury in their body > * The body recognizes mercury as a major (potentially lethal) toxin > * It dumps the mercury in "safe" places, i.e. deeper fat tissues and alike > * End of story (except for some slight symptoms/effects)? Not so in two > cases: > > 1. Genetic deficiency to detox mercury > * Some people (a percentage of the population) has trouble detoxing mercury > * Every little bit of mercury that ends up in the blood stream will yield > symptoms > * I think EM fields/radiation "stir up" the body and free mercury from the > deeper tissues, allowing it to migrate to less-deep tissues > * The longer you're exposed to EM fields, the more the mercury gets > distributed in your body, moving from deeper tissue to tissue closer to the > arteries/blood > * At a certain point, you will become very, very ES sensitive because the > mercury has migrated so much that every little bit of EM fields will move > mercury directly into the blood > * This model explains why people become more and more sensitive > * Another thing to take into account is that mercury gets dissolved from > fillings faster when you're exposed to EM fields. > * Too many diseases are blamed on genetics while in effect they're often > caused by a certain deficiency or chronic poisoning (mercury is just one > example), so: > * A vicious cycle is also a possibility: Because of the prolonged exposure > to mercury, the liver doesn't produce the right enzymes/substances anymore > that are needed to detox mercury. It's known that mercury is able to disable > enzymes. > > 2. Just too much mercury > * Most people are able to move mercury out of the blood stream and excrete > it successfully. > * When too much mercury is in the body (there is a treshold for everything) > and too much exposure to EMF has happened, eventually even the healthiest > persons will become ES > * Also, the natural detoxing capacity of the body will probably be lowered > when too much mercury is around. this might then cause the vicious cycle as > proposed in case 1. > > My experiences so far seem to fit the model and lots of stories I've read > also fit the model. > This is just some brainstorming by me. Please let me know what you think of > it. > > Because of the high average exposure to EM fields/radiation, mercury is > turning out a much greater problem than it already was. > People who could have lived happily with their mercury stashed away in > deeper tissue are now forced to get rid of it all because the EMF keep > stirring it up, releasing it in the blood, allowing it to migrate into the > brains, nervous system, vital organs. > > A note: EMF exposure will always be detrimental to one's health, but I think > mercury is a key factor in causing the extreme symptoms many people > experience. > Anything more than several 100 uW/m2 is probably damaging to *everyone*. It > lowers the speed at which people can recover from diseases and adds to the > stress level, moving you closer to a critical treshold. > > Take care, > > Ed, > the Netherlands > > P.S. I will keep you updated whether or not I'm truly free of eSens once my > mercury levels reach zero. 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Good point, makes me think of Rife machines. They stir up or even kill
various pathogens in the body if the frequency matches the size of the organism (vibrates it to death through resonance). So maybe some EMF frequencies do the same thing! If they have a harmonic that matches an allergenic substance, or if they kill or irritate bugs that release allergens, then of COURSE we will get an allergic response. It is probably a secondary effect of something else frequencies do to us that causes the release of an allergen. I doubt we can actually sense the waves, it is their effect on something in the body. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of snoshoe_2 Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:32 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: SPAM-LOW: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model They are nasty. I've had similar experiences, and boy pesticides and herbicides both bother me. I recall when they started crop dusting our area for mosquitos as kids, whatever they used that year, it killed all the birds too. Over a decade later we still didn't see a recovery of it to what we had either. I read somewhere once, and sorta said "oh yeah", emf allergies behave in the body much the same way as chemical allergies, they can produce the same type of symptoms. Not strange when you think of it all in frequencies, if they match. But getting that stuff out, and nervous system to calm down is something else. Thanks for the input. Will cogitate some more. :) ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > When I had metal testing, I showed less than the average for them all. I really thought my problem was pesticide poisoning, however. I had numerous incidents with pesticides. I was once sprayed by a plane clearing vegetation for the electric company in the late 60s, for instance. It was an orange substance. However, the pesticide tests didn't show much either! The only toxins we found in huge numbers were food and dysbiosis related toxins. > > Diane > SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+ health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4 =Health+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Busin ess+health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Heal th+and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+progra m&w4=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=B usiness+health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=He alth+and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+prog ram&w4=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6 =Business+health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=He alth+and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+prog ram&w4=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6 =Business+health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+ and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w 4=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Busi ness+health+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Here's an experience we've just had which may be of interest to those on the
list with MCS. Sue has been driving around in a 17 year old car for the last few months, which has helped her ES in cars a lot, and she decided to have it spruced up by a car valeting service. Unfortunately they shampooed the carpets, and the strong perfume smell which resulted meant Sue couldn't get near the car, let alone drive it! We tried steam cleaning it a couple of times and the valeter tried re-rinsing everything with plain water - helped a bit, but nowhere near enough. Windows and doors left wide open didn't help over several days. Bad news! A Canadian friend told us that their family had used bicarbonate of soda to get rid of smells from spillages. When you're desperate, you'll try anything once, so we scattered a small tinful over the car. The results were amazing; within a minute or so the smell had noticeably reduced. We vacuumed up the first lot and put a tray of more powder on the floor at the back. That has virtually removed the smell and we can use the car again! This is an old housewives' trick I've never heard of before, but if anyone needs to mop up a smell which they can't get rid of, it seems well worth trying! It actually seems to absorb the odour - not just masking it with an alternative. (Feel free to pass this on to any friends or groups who might find it useful - or maybe you all know already and I'm just ignorant!) Best wishes, Ian and Sue _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kurt R. Sent: 12 March 2006 22:52 To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model Good point, makes me think of Rife machines. They stir up or even kill various pathogens in the body if the frequency matches the size of the organism (vibrates it to death through resonance). So maybe some EMF frequencies do the same thing! If they have a harmonic that matches an allergenic substance, or if they kill or irritate bugs that release allergens, then of COURSE we will get an allergic response. It is probably a secondary effect of something else frequencies do to us that causes the release of an allergen. I doubt we can actually sense the waves, it is their effect on something in the body. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of snoshoe_2 Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:32 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: SPAM-LOW: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model They are nasty. I've had similar experiences, and boy pesticides and herbicides both bother me. I recall when they started crop dusting our area for mosquitos as kids, whatever they used that year, it killed all the birds too. Over a decade later we still didn't see a recovery of it to what we had either. I read somewhere once, and sorta said "oh yeah", emf allergies behave in the body much the same way as chemical allergies, they can produce the same type of symptoms. Not strange when you think of it all in frequencies, if they match. But getting that stuff out, and nervous system to calm down is something else. Thanks for the input. Will cogitate some more. :) ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > When I had metal testing, I showed less than the average for them all. I really thought my problem was pesticide poisoning, however. I had numerous incidents with pesticides. I was once sprayed by a plane clearing vegetation for the electric company in the late 60s, for instance. It was an orange substance. However, the pesticide tests didn't show much either! 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Another major reason why you can get shocks from modern cars is some of the
upholstery materials used nowadays - they generate static electricity when you rub against them. I find there is quite a noticeable difference between the cars we have used over the last few years (and one regularly gave me quite painful little sparks off the door handle as I closed it!). Earth straps are ineffective against this, and I couldn't see any difference with tyres, though I must admit I didn't look hard, as it was just a mild annoyance. It also depends on your clothing material. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: 11 March 2006 09:51 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. ~ Snoshoe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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It is not the car that gives you the shocks.
It is the electrical charge of your body, that unloads on the metal of cars, but also on other metal parts like doorhandles of houses. Your body is not properly grounded (rubber soles etc.). We check that with our measuring of the body tension. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 04:49 Subject: RE: [eSens] Shocks from cars > Another major reason why you can get shocks from modern cars is some of > the > upholstery materials used nowadays - they generate static electricity when > you rub against them. I find there is quite a noticeable difference > between > the cars we have used over the last few years (and one regularly gave me > quite painful little sparks off the door handle as I closed it!). Earth > straps are ineffective against this, and I couldn't see any difference > with > tyres, though I must admit I didn't look hard, as it was just a mild > annoyance. It also depends on your clothing material. > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Evie > Sent: 11 March 2006 09:51 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model > > > BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like > finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get > out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the > tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when > it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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Yes, that's right. One builds up a charge of static electricity when
sitting in the car by moving about on the upholstery. Then when we get out and touch the car, it is properly grounded, but we are not, so we get a spark. Which adds to the point that in this case, the tyre material is irrelevant, because the car is grounding OK. Maybe we should say "the car gets an electrical shock from us"! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of charles Sent: 13 March 2006 13:39 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Shocks from cars It is not the car that gives you the shocks. It is the electrical charge of your body, that unloads on the metal of cars, but also on other metal parts like doorhandles of houses. Your body is not properly grounded (rubber soles etc.). We check that with our measuring of the body tension. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 04:49 Subject: RE: [eSens] Shocks from cars > Another major reason why you can get shocks from modern cars is some of > the > upholstery materials used nowadays - they generate static electricity when > you rub against them. I find there is quite a noticeable difference > between > the cars we have used over the last few years (and one regularly gave me > quite painful little sparks off the door handle as I closed it!). Earth > straps are ineffective against this, and I couldn't see any difference > with > tyres, though I must admit I didn't look hard, as it was just a mild > annoyance. It also depends on your clothing material. > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Evie > Sent: 11 March 2006 09:51 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Ed's mercury model > > > BTW, have meant to post for a couple months, and don't feel like > finding the link right now, but the reason we get shocked when we get > out of vehicles now, when in years past that didn't happen, is the > tires. They're made out of different products now, and that is when > it started getting so common, emf sens. or not. > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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