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robert
Please support a petition requesting rudimentary recognition of electrosensitivity - a condition we or our children are all destined to be affected by in years to come,
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charles
That is useless as long as real electrosensitivity has not been studied.

Till today not one single serious study has been undertaken.

The *scientists* who have done some studies did not have the faintest idea what electrosensitivity is, wwhat its conditions are, what makes them *tick*, which (low) frequencies are important, and at what low level radiations one can expect adverse health effects.

It seems that nobody is really interested in finding out what electrosensitivity really means, and what causes it, and in what way a *healing* can be achieved.
Most think that protesting is the only solution.

A petition, without a real study, is of nu value.
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Re: (no subject)lets take what we can get!

Lynnezhu
I think a petition is a start!
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electrohypersensitive
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But there *have* been studies.  In Zapped by A.L. Gittleman, she describes one study where mice were *subclinically* stressed out....and that's just one.  Read some books.
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charles
There are no studies, nor books, that prove that humans may get adverse health effects by elektrosmog.
Sure, elektrosmog can have biological effects on the body, but they are not *damaging*.

The point is that these effects must be *damaging* to health, and they must remain.
And that has not been established up to today.
Those are the facts.

I am sorry, but that is the way it is.
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Lynnezhu
many many studies showing harmful effects...

here is one on rabbits.  http://www.emfacts.com/2015/09/wifi-effects-on-rabbits/

have posted here before.  Research has been shut down by telecom in this country.

I am trying to find a summary done in Britain and will post here.  have no ideal why anyone would say this!
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Lynnezhu
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Lynnezhu
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Lynnezhu
here is a nice scientific study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26520617
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Lynnezhu
I recommend this guy and this site

http://conradbiologic.com/

also anything by steven magee. (available on amazon)  lots of scientific studies he has done.
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Lynnezhu
great page for links and references

http://conradbiologic.com/articles.html
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charles
None of them are scientific approved studies.

And none of them are about electrosensitivity.

Sure, many persons report health claims they relate to elektrosmog, but none of them has been confirmed in a study where the direct link between the elektrosmog cause and the health effects on a human has been confirmed.


There are not many persons who do have this knowledge about electrosensitivity, its different causes, which frequencies are important, and how to improve the sensitivity.
I am familiar with all symptoms, and the different delayed time they may occur (sometimes a day later).
In the past 17 years I have measured and observed many electrosensitives, and as a beta tester I have measuring equipment (also prototypes) not many will have.

With my remedy I have helped quite a number of former electrosensitives to overcome their burden, and many are living a normal life again.
The trick is not by protesting, or in using a number of gadgets, but to heal the body itsself, to repair the damaged immune system.

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Lynnezhu
What is your remedy?
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Re: true! here are more studies..

Lynnezhu
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Lynnezhu
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for ehs research, how on earth would you find a control group?  A lot of the studies of cell phone use have used control groups who are, for instance, using cordless phones, which are even higher in radiation... so no effect would be shown.  (fyi I have studied experimental design at Harvard graduate school)  

there are hundreds of serious studies of effects of ehs on humans.  True, the exact links have not been determined...if that is your point.  

I don't understand why you would in effect downplay the extremely real suffering of ehs sensitives.  For instance it is killing me.  Producing insomnia night after night--leading to insanity before death.    Took me 12 years to figure out.  It is correlated ONLY emf exposure.  

Why would you try to diminish the seriousness of this problem?  If you can cure it, let me know!  I have spent thousands of dollars (which I don't have)...and nothing works much but canopies.  

if you have a remedy to sell...then what is it?
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charles
I am sorry that my english is not understandable by everybody.
One should read what has been written, and not think what one thinks has been written.

I certainly do not downplay the suffering, because I do know exactly what is going on.
But, there is a wide gap between the real suffering and the acceptance of that by the authorities.

In my opinion, cancer is not an important issue. (Most studies use exposures, which never happen in praxis.)
I find the daily burdens and sufferings more important.
There is no controlgroup neccessary.
Physicians do need to establish which is the threshold for these symptoms.
Like headache, or insomnia.
For such a study, there is not even an exposure with elektrosmog needed.
Just it has to be clarified how much headache is to be regarded as a *damaging factor*.

Let us assume, that physicians (not engineers) have found that a headache on a scale of 100, has reached 52%, that it is  a damaging factor of health.
This is just medical statistics.
So a guideline for damaging factors for health should be determind for most known symptoms.
After that has been accomplished, it is not difficult to make a link to exposures to elektrosmog.
(If a source produces more than 52%, one can issue a health claim!)

But because these guidelines or thresholds are not looked after, and thus not known, the authorities have a free ride to ignore all health claims.
A negative point in this, is the fact that when coming in a de-exposure, most health claims disappear.

I have come to the conclusion, that most electrosensitives are just *sick*, although they do not realise that.
They have a load on poison (heavy metals) in their body, they may have a lack on essential salts (Schuessler), a number of organs do not function optimal (thyroid, liver, gall bladder, stomach, duodenal, etc.). Furthermore they have a load of microorganisms. Typically most Lyme patients are also electrosensitive, and persons who had to do with animals like horses and dogs may suffer from the Borna Disease Virus.
For that I have developed my remedy (the 30 points plan) which I have mentioned here several times, and which is completely free.
http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE201509.pdf
But many prefer to invent the wheel again.

Aside to that I have treated a number of electrosensitives with a NLS system, of which they reported a decrease in their sensitivity. A number of them have bought their own NLS system.
With that one can treat the underlying causes for electrosensitivity.
http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE201509.pdf

My wife was once a heavy electrosensitive person.
Now, she is not troubled with mobile phone masts, DECT phones, Wifi, etc.
The only thing she feels sometimes are the smartphones in the pockets of bystanders in the supermarket.
That is all.