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 Someone here stated yesterday that:
     "A cheap $15 radio can show that the Stetzerizer filter actually increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies."/

Dave Stetzer has replie:
     "The person is absolutely wrong.  Ask any engineer how a capacitor can "increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies.".  The frequencies are already there in the lines.  He would hear the same thing if he held the radio up to a lamp cord.
      The filter shorts out the high frequencies.  They do not generate them.  The statement is slanderous in my opinion."


Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com





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We all know that some things work for some, and not for others.
The steizer filters obviously worked well for you.....
But it is important to realize that not ONE house out there, is going to be identical in wiring design/application/.
And it is the same with the different appliances, styles of heating, ect, etc that are used in houses.
 
With this in mind, we all should be aware that there IS NO ONE SIZE fits all solution.
I know people who have excellent success with those filters, and I also know people
who the filters didn't work well. Its not that the filters are wrong, its just that there are
a ton of different variables when it comes to houses, to how the wiring is done, to what
the electrical load is on the house, to what the load is on the transformer, and probably
other variables I dont' even know about. I don't think people are necessarily criticizing
Dave's hard work. He gave many people a solution. And he is a Hero! He gave his heart, his
time, his energy, his resources, and he gave tons of these away for free! Bless that man.
But there is no one size fits all solution.
I am really happy that the filters did/do work for you. And I am happy they do work for soo many
other people.
And Dave really is a modern day HERO! And an angel.
Lizzie
 



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Someone here stated yesterday that:
"A cheap $15 radio can show that the Stetzerizer filter actually increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies."/

Dave Stetzer has replie:
"The person is absolutely wrong. Ask any engineer how a capacitor can "increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies.". The frequencies are already there in the lines. He would hear the same thing if he held the radio up to a lamp cord.
The filter shorts out the high frequencies. They do not generate them. The statement is slanderous in my opinion."

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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Hi, Shivani (and Charles),
 
I recently asked a question about interrupted current causing us problems.  I used an example of 1 second on and 1 second off.  I see now where I got that info, and my error (I used the wrong terminology, for one thing--it is correctly called "pulsed current" not "interrupted current", tho it does work exactly as interrupted current, and I was just using 1 second on, 1 second off as an example, but of course this happens much faster than that--100,000 X/ second, and I couldn't remember the exact amount when I originally asked this.)
 
I believe my question was, is this the cause for "dirty electricity" on the lines, and does this also cause "dirty air"--the frequencies which we react to which come into our homes via air and not wires. 
 
This is where I got that info, which I couldn't remember correctly at the time:
 
   http://www.prevention.com/health/health/healthy-lifestyle/is-dirty-electricity-making-you-sick/article/9e60d47569225210VgnVCM10000030281eac___
 
And this is the excerpt on the "interrupted current" that I was referring to:
 
' That research commenced at a time when energy-efficient devices--the major generators of transients--were beginning to saturate North American homes and clutter up power lines. A telltale sign of an energy-efficient device is the ballast, or transformer, that you see near the end of a power cord on a laptop computer, printer, or cell phone charger (although not all devices have them). When plugged in, it's warm to the touch, an indication that it's tamping down current and throwing off transient pollution. Two of the worst creators of transient radiation: light dimmer switches and compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs). Transients are created when current is repeatedly interrupted. A CFL, for instance, saves energy by turning itself on and off repeatedly, as many as 100,000 times per second.
 
So how does the human body respond to this pulsing radiation? "Think of a magnet," explains Dave Stetzer, an electrical engineer and power supply expert in Blair, WI. "Opposite charges attract, and like charges repel. When a transient is going positive, the negatively charged electrons in your body move toward that positive charge. When the transient flips to negative, the body's electrons are pushed back. Remember, these positive-negative shifts are occurring many thousands of times per second, so the electrons in your body are oscillating to that tune. Your body becomes charged up because you're basically coupled to the transient's electric field." '
 
The article in Prevention does indeed state the transient frequencies cause "dirty electricity", but it makes no mention of "dirty air".  Do you or Charles know if these "transients" also cause "dirty air" or is "dirty air" more a condition caused by wireless and digital frequencies by themselves?
 
Also, I would like more input as to remedies for "dirty air".  Window shieldings, which were discussed recently, would be remedies--especially anti-emf fabrics and curtains.  But are there other remedies which can be used outside the house?  For instance, the Bio-Protect card--is that only helpful for frequencies on the electrical lines, or is that also helpful for "dirty air"?  Are there any other helps?
 
Thanks for your help and for reading this lengthy post.  As usual, it could probably be stated more succinctly, but I don't have that talent.  ;)
 
Thanks again for any info you might share,
Diane
 



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Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 11:31 AM


 




Someone here stated yesterday that:
"A cheap $15 radio can show that the Stetzerizer filter actually increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies."/

Dave Stetzer has replie:
"The person is absolutely wrong. Ask any engineer how a capacitor can "increases your exposure to digital kHz frequencies.". The frequencies are already there in the lines. He would hear the same thing if he held the radio up to a lamp cord.
The filter shorts out the high frequencies. They do not generate them. The statement is slanderous in my opinion."

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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I see *dirty electricity* in two categories.

1. *Dirty power* where the frequencies are in the electrical wiring in the walls.
Here filters can eliminate a number of frequencies in the wiring. So the rest of the wiring should be *clean*.

2. *Dirty air* are floating frequencies in the air, which are coming from electrical appliances, like f.i. televisions.
Here filters cannot do much, because the appliances are emitting these ferquencies.

Now, *dirty electricity* contains frequencis in the region between what we call low and high frequencies.
They are between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, or 30.000 kHz.
Mainly starting at 5 kHz up to 12 MHz.

Mobile phones, DECT phones and wireles modems/router/WLan are in the high frequency band, starting at 900 MHz. But they may contain als *dirty air* frequencies as dirt.

I have measured a nice peak of 100 kHz from a 3G mobile phone mast.

Normally a lot odf dirty electricity goes in the region of 5 - 100 kHz.
Here the Stetzer filters will do their job, although in my opinion 5 filters for a home will do.
If you need more, first look at the cause of this dirty electricity.
Filters are not a remedy for wrong installations and appliances.
Avoid dimmers , CFL bulbs and other stuff.
And then see that the filters do work.

Lately I have found that tehre are also dirty frequencies at 3 to 6 and 8 to 15 MHz.
It may com from outside (Plasma TV's) but also from these home plugs.
Many people use modems, and they use these power plugs (for internet as well as TV).
One is placed near the modem in a wall plug and the other one  f.i. in an upper floor wallsocket.
Now they think that the wireless signals of the modem are gone, but they exorcised Satan with the Devil.
They cause *dirty power*as well as *dirty air*, up to 30 mHz, as I have measured.

Check a TV with an radio as aforementioned.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton





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  From: Evie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens]


  Hi, Shivani (and Charles),

  I recently asked a question about interrupted current causing us problems. I used an example of 1 second on and 1 second off. I see now where I got that info, and my error (I used the wrong terminology, for one thing--it is correctly called "pulsed current" not "interrupted current", tho it does work exactly as interrupted current, and I was just using 1 second on, 1 second off as an example, but of course this happens much faster than that--100,000 X/ second, and I couldn't remember the exact amount when I originally asked this.)

  I believe my question was, is this the cause for "dirty electricity" on the lines, and does this also cause "dirty air"--the frequencies which we react to which come into our homes via air and not wires.

  This is where I got that info, which I couldn't remember correctly at the time:

  http://www.prevention.com/health/health/healthy-lifestyle/is-dirty-electricity-making-you-sick/article/9e60d47569225210VgnVCM10000030281eac___

  And this is the excerpt on the "interrupted current" that I was referring to:

  ' That research commenced at a time when energy-efficient devices--the major generators of transients--were beginning to saturate North American homes and clutter up power lines. A telltale sign of an energy-efficient device is the ballast, or transformer, that you see near the end of a power cord on a laptop computer, printer, or cell phone charger (although not all devices have them). When plugged in, it's warm to the touch, an indication that it's tamping down current and throwing off transient pollution. Two of the worst creators of transient radiation: light dimmer switches and compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs). Transients are created when current is repeatedly interrupted. A CFL, for instance, saves energy by turning itself on and off repeatedly, as many as 100,000 times per second.

  So how does the human body respond to this pulsing radiation? "Think of a magnet," explains Dave Stetzer, an electrical engineer and power supply expert in Blair, WI. "Opposite charges attract, and like charges repel. When a transient is going positive, the negatively charged electrons in your body move toward that positive charge. When the transient flips to negative, the body's electrons are pushed back. Remember, these positive-negative shifts are occurring many thousands of times per second, so the electrons in your body are oscillating to that tune. Your body becomes charged up because you're basically coupled to the transient's electric field." '

  The article in Prevention does indeed state the transient frequencies cause "dirty electricity", but it makes no mention of "dirty air". Do you or Charles know if these "transients" also cause "dirty air" or is "dirty air" more a condition caused by wireless and digital frequencies by themselves?

  Also, I would like more input as to remedies for "dirty air". Window shieldings, which were discussed recently, would be remedies--especially anti-emf fabrics and curtains. But are there other remedies which can be used outside the house? For instance, the Bio-Protect card--is that only helpful for frequencies on the electrical lines, or is that also helpful for "dirty air"? Are there any other helps?

  Thanks for your help and for reading this lengthy post. As usual, it could probably be stated more succinctly, but I don't have that talent. ;)

  Thanks again for any info you might share,
  Diane






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Thanks, Charles,
 
I appreciate your expertise.  Thanks too for pointing out that I used the term "dirty electricity" when I should have used "dirty power".    
 
I loved your reference to exorcising Satan with the Devil.  lol  This is why I always disconnect all my internet wires  when I get offline--I pull the modem plug out, remove the phone/ DSL plug, and disconnect from the computer.  I could not stand wireless, but nor did I like the frequencies created by the loop made by the modem and phone/DSL wire. 
 
Thanks again,
Diane

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens]
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 2:08 PM


 



I see *dirty electricity* in two categories.

1. *Dirty power* where the frequencies are in the electrical wiring in the walls.
Here filters can eliminate a number of frequencies in the wiring. So the rest of the wiring should be *clean*.

2. *Dirty air* are floating frequencies in the air, which are coming from electrical appliances, like f.i. televisions.
Here filters cannot do much, because the appliances are emitting these ferquencies.

Now, *dirty electricity* contains frequencis in the region between what we call low and high frequencies.
They are between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, or 30.000 kHz.
Mainly starting at 5 kHz up to 12 MHz.

Mobile phones, DECT phones and wireles modems/router/WLan are in the high frequency band, starting at 900 MHz. But they may contain als *dirty air* frequencies as dirt.

I have measured a nice peak of 100 kHz from a 3G mobile phone mast.

Normally a lot odf dirty electricity goes in the region of 5 - 100 kHz.
Here the Stetzer filters will do their job, although in my opinion 5 filters for a home will do.
If you need more, first look at the cause of this dirty electricity.
Filters are not a remedy for wrong installations and appliances.
Avoid dimmers , CFL bulbs and other stuff.
And then see that the filters do work.

Lately I have found that tehre are also dirty frequencies at 3 to 6 and 8 to 15 MHz.
It may com from outside (Plasma TV's) but also from these home plugs.
Many people use modems, and they use these power plugs (for internet as well as TV).
One is placed near the modem in a wall plug and the other one f.i. in an upper floor wallsocket.
Now they think that the wireless signals of the modem are gone, but they exorcised Satan with the Devil.
They cause *dirty power*as well as *dirty air*, up to 30 mHz, as I have measured.

Check a TV with an radio as aforementioned.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Evie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens]

Hi, Shivani (and Charles),

I recently asked a question about interrupted current causing us problems. I used an example of 1 second on and 1 second off. I see now where I got that info, and my error (I used the wrong terminology, for one thing--it is correctly called "pulsed current" not "interrupted current", tho it does work exactly as interrupted current, and I was just using 1 second on, 1 second off as an example, but of course this happens much faster than that--100,000 X/ second, and I couldn't remember the exact amount when I originally asked this.)

I believe my question was, is this the cause for "dirty electricity" on the lines, and does this also cause "dirty air"--the frequencies which we react to which come into our homes via air and not wires.

This is where I got that info, which I couldn't remember correctly at the time:

http://www.prevention.com/health/health/healthy-lifestyle/is-dirty-electricity-making-you-sick/article/9e60d47569225210VgnVCM10000030281eac___

And this is the excerpt on the "interrupted current" that I was referring to:

' That research commenced at a time when energy-efficient devices--the major generators of transients--were beginning to saturate North American homes and clutter up power lines. A telltale sign of an energy-efficient device is the ballast, or transformer, that you see near the end of a power cord on a laptop computer, printer, or cell phone charger (although not all devices have them). When plugged in, it's warm to the touch, an indication that it's tamping down current and throwing off transient pollution. Two of the worst creators of transient radiation: light dimmer switches and compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs). Transients are created when current is repeatedly interrupted. A CFL, for instance, saves energy by turning itself on and off repeatedly, as many as 100,000 times per second.

So how does the human body respond to this pulsing radiation? "Think of a magnet," explains Dave Stetzer, an electrical engineer and power supply expert in Blair, WI. "Opposite charges attract, and like charges repel. When a transient is going positive, the negatively charged electrons in your body move toward that positive charge. When the transient flips to negative, the body's electrons are pushed back. Remember, these positive-negative shifts are occurring many thousands of times per second, so the electrons in your body are oscillating to that tune. Your body becomes charged up because you're basically coupled to the transient's electric field." '

The article in Prevention does indeed state the transient frequencies cause "dirty electricity", but it makes no mention of "dirty air". Do you or Charles know if these "transients" also cause "dirty air" or is "dirty air" more a condition caused by wireless and digital frequencies by themselves?

Also, I would like more input as to remedies for "dirty air". Window shieldings, which were discussed recently, would be remedies--especially anti-emf fabrics and curtains. But are there other remedies which can be used outside the house? For instance, the Bio-Protect card--is that only helpful for frequencies on the electrical lines, or is that also helpful for "dirty air"? Are there any other helps?

Thanks for your help and for reading this lengthy post. As usual, it could probably be stated more succinctly, but I don't have that talent. ;)

Thanks again for any info you might share,
Diane

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