news from Drasko

I was very busy lately, and I still am, but I really have to share with you the recent news on the issue...
Let me previously greet the new members, their stories make me feel being in a very good company!

1. MEASURING. I have bought a new meter (Aaronia Multidetector Profi www.electrosmog.com), that added me a possibility of monitoring LF and kHz range *electric* fields. I bought it as to try to additionally couple my sensations with objective measures. It does give very high readings coming out from home installation and appliances, but it doesn't really explain the issue why computers and fluorescent lights are considered by me (and other ES people) as especially problematic.
Therefore I am still positive that we don't know what really causes our symptoms. ***Prediction of wellbeing can not easily be based on objective measures!*** For example, readings in average home often exceed the readings at "dangerous" (problematic) proximity to high voltage power lines, computer, or fluorescent lights! I challenge anybody to oppose this statement!
Any help regarding coupling sensations and objective measures would be appreciated (either as personal observations or as some www reference)!

2. SCREENING. I have bought samples of screening materials from Aaronia, and found it useful to put transparent fabric over the head while using computer. Now I am writing with it over my head, and it does help, although I can't say it's perfect. It would take me some days to be sure about the extent it helps.
It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer), anyway. It does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant by being reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge (theoretically 50 db). Would you like to see how it looks like wearing it, please see the other site that sells it:
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/sales/screen.htm

3. HOUSE. I am starting these days to build a low EMF house. Any advice is appreciated. The house would be screened - wrapped with a 20 db shielding material, and the installation would be shielded. It is already in a low EMF surrounding, but there is a huge radar some kilometers away, and although it gives very low readings, I suspect it does afflict me somehow. Any suggestion or experience with radar would be welcome!


Drasko


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Drasko,

regarding your points.

I do not concur with point 1.
I do not concur with point 2. It is the other way around.
Regarding point 3, I suppose, that you mean shielding with the Aaronia
A2000.
That is correct.
I have used it myself, even in front of window panes.
Another material can be used also, which is not so heavy.

Please feel free to look at my new website www.milieuziektes.nl
Although it is in dutch, the many pictures may enlighten a bit.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 06:38
Subject: [eSens] news from Drasko


> I was very busy lately, and I still am, but I really have to share with
you the recent news on the issue...
> Let me previously greet the new members, their stories make me feel being
in a very good company!
>
> 1. MEASURING. I have bought a new meter (Aaronia Multidetector Profi
www.electrosmog.com), that added me a possibility of monitoring LF and kHz
range *electric* fields. I bought it as to try to additionally couple my
sensations with objective measures. It does give very high readings coming
out from home installation and appliances, but it doesn't really explain the
issue why computers and fluorescent lights are considered by me (and other
ES people) as especially problematic.
> Therefore I am still positive that we don't know what really causes our
symptoms. ***Prediction of wellbeing can not easily be based on objective
measures!*** For example, readings in average home often exceed the readings
at "dangerous" (problematic) proximity to high voltage power lines,
computer, or fluorescent lights! I challenge anybody to oppose this
statement!
> Any help regarding coupling sensations and objective measures would be
appreciated (either as personal observations or as some www reference)!
>
> 2. SCREENING. I have bought samples of screening materials from Aaronia,
and found it useful to put transparent fabric over the head while using
computer. Now I am writing with it over my head, and it does help, although
I can't say it's perfect. It would take me some days to be sure about the
extent it helps.
> It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer), anyway. It
does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant by being
reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
> The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge (theoretically 50
db). Would you like to see how it looks like wearing it, please see the
other site that sells it:
> http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/sales/screen.htm
>
> 3. HOUSE. I am starting these days to build a low EMF house. Any advice is
appreciated. The house would be screened - wrapped with a 20 db shielding
material, and the installation would be shielded. It is already in a low EMF
surrounding, but there is a huge radar some kilometers away, and although it
gives very low readings, I suspect it does afflict me somehow. Any
suggestion or experience with radar would be welcome!

Hi, Charles!
Thank you very much for your response.
I highly apprecaite any disagreemnet to my statements, that is a way for me
to learn!!
Please tell me more what is your standpoint i.e. what is particlarly that
you don't agree with me!!

By the way, I have checked your web site as to your recomendation, but it is
very difficult to me to read Dutch, and I could hardly find any picture...
Please tell me particularly what would you think that might be of interest
to me!

I appreciate your time invested in this!

Thanks,

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko

being
> in a very good company!
> >
> > 1. MEASURING. I have bought a new meter (Aaronia Multidetector Profi
> www.electrosmog.com), that added me a possibility of monitoring LF and kHz
> range *electric* fields. I bought it as to try to additionally couple my
> sensations with objective measures. It does give very high readings coming
> out from home installation and appliances, but it doesn't really explain
the
> issue why computers and fluorescent lights are considered by me (and other
> ES people) as especially problematic.
> > Therefore I am still positive that we don't know what really causes our
> symptoms. ***Prediction of wellbeing can not easily be based on objective
> measures!*** For example, readings in average home often exceed the
readings
> at "dangerous" (problematic) proximity to high voltage power lines,
> computer, or fluorescent lights! I challenge anybody to oppose this
> statement!
> > Any help regarding coupling sensations and objective measures would be
> appreciated (either as personal observations or as some www reference)!
> >
> > 2. SCREENING. I have bought samples of screening materials from Aaronia,
> and found it useful to put transparent fabric over the head while using
> computer. Now I am writing with it over my head, and it does help,
although
> I can't say it's perfect. It would take me some days to be sure about the
> extent it helps.
> > It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer), anyway. It
> does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant by
being
> reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
> > The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge (theoretically 50
> db). Would you like to see how it looks like wearing it, please see the
> other site that sells it:
> > http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/sales/screen.htm
> >
> > 3. HOUSE. I am starting these days to build a low EMF house. Any advice
is
> appreciated. The house would be screened - wrapped with a 20 db shielding
> material, and the installation would be shielded. It is already in a low
EMF
> surrounding, but there is a huge radar some kilometers away, and although
it

Hello Drasko,

about points 1. and 2.
Let me say only this: I am not keen in having the lawyers of Aaronia prying
in my statements on internet.
It is however a fact that at the moment, a number of former selling point of
Aaronia products do not have those products in their programm any more.
It has nothing to do with pricing policy.
Aaronia is claiming a lot, but is is the question if it is true.

Point 2. A shiedling must be away from your body, otherwise, it works like
an antenna and transmits what it gets over to you.
It is better to place this fabric over your monitor than over your head.

Point 3. I was one of the first in using and recommending the Aaronia A2000
shielding.
Aaronia provided me a curve, claiming a shielding of 30 dB.
They made an official printed information leaflet, with the same curve.
They had some hassle in court, and they came with a new leaflet, claiming
only 20 dB.
Like many others, I do not like being manipulated.

However, the A2000 is produced by Biologa, the same as their G-ES (the
former ispo WDV-system).
Look at http://www.biologa.de/de/download.php
there you may download a leflet of this G-ES.
You should also look at the Diamant Maler Gewebe.

Those curves show the damping in dB at several frequencies.

Somebody told me, that Marburg may have a new material with a damping of 140
dB.
I will receive this information next week.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 23:28
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko


> Hi, Charles!
> Thank you very much for your response.
> I highly apprecaite any disagreemnet to my statements, that is a way for
me
> to learn!!
> Please tell me more what is your standpoint i.e. what is particlarly that
> you don't agree with me!!
>
> By the way, I have checked your web site as to your recomendation, but it
is with
> > you the recent news on the issue...
> > > Let me previously greet the new members, their stories make me feel
> being
> > in a very good company!
> > >
> > > 1. MEASURING. I have bought a new meter (Aaronia Multidetector Profi
> > www.electrosmog.com), that added me a possibility of monitoring LF and
kHz
> > range *electric* fields. I bought it as to try to additionally couple my
> > sensations with objective measures. It does give very high readings
coming
> > out from home installation and appliances, but it doesn't really explain
> the
> > issue why computers and fluorescent lights are considered by me (and
other
> > ES people) as especially problematic.
> > > Therefore I am still positive that we don't know what really causes
our
> > symptoms. ***Prediction of wellbeing can not easily be based on
objective
> > measures!*** For example, readings in average home often exceed the
> readings
> > at "dangerous" (problematic) proximity to high voltage power lines,
> > computer, or fluorescent lights! I challenge anybody to oppose this
> > statement!
> > > Any help regarding coupling sensations and objective measures would be
> > appreciated (either as personal observations or as some www reference)!
> > >
> > > 2. SCREENING. I have bought samples of screening materials from
Aaronia,
> > and found it useful to put transparent fabric over the head while using
> > computer. Now I am writing with it over my head, and it does help,
> although
> > I can't say it's perfect. It would take me some days to be sure about
the
> > extent it helps.
> > > It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer), anyway.
It
> > does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant by
> being
> > reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
> > > The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge (theoretically
50
> > db). Would you like to see how it looks like wearing it, please see the
> > other site that sells it:
> > > http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/sales/screen.htm
> > >
> > > 3. HOUSE. I am starting these days to build a low EMF house. Any
advice
> is
> > appreciated. The house would be screened - wrapped with a 20 db
shielding
> > material, and the installation would be shielded. It is already in a low
> EMF
> > surrounding, but there is a huge radar some kilometers away, and
although

Yes, Charles, you could be right about the disadvantages of putting a
conductive fabric over the head... I don't like it as I supposed I would....
But could be that grounding of the fabric would help? It is not wise to
screen just monitor as the rest of the computer does radiate significantelly
as well..

Regarding A2000 and different fabric producers like Biologa is, I am about
to order hundreds of meters of A2000, could have been a better price
directly form Biologa, but their iste is only in German... Anyway, if you
were my place, what have you bought to wrap the whole house primarily
against radar at some kilometers away?! Do you know more about how modern
radars work and what is the profile of their radiation?? All I know that
they emitt razor sharp impulses... Could be that the peak readings of such
impulses are not reliable at Aaronia HF Detector. Any recomendation would be
apprecaited...

Thank you for your attention!

Drasko


----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko


> Hello Drasko,
>
> about points 1. and 2.
> Let me say only this: I am not keen in having the lawyers of Aaronia
prying
> in my statements on internet.
> It is however a fact that at the moment, a number of former selling point
of
> Aaronia products do not have those products in their programm any more.
> It has nothing to do with pricing policy.
> Aaronia is claiming a lot, but is is the question if it is true.
>
> Point 2. A shiedling must be away from your body, otherwise, it works like
> an antenna and transmits what it gets over to you.
> It is better to place this fabric over your monitor than over your head.
>
> Point 3. I was one of the first in using and recommending the Aaronia
A2000 140 that
> > you don't agree with me!!
> >
> > By the way, I have checked your web site as to your recomendation, but
it
> is
> > very difficult to me to read Dutch, and I could hardly find any
picture...
> > Please tell me particularly what would you think that might be of
interest my
> > > sensations with objective measures. It does give very high readings
> coming
> > > out from home installation and appliances, but it doesn't really
explain be
> > > appreciated (either as personal observations or as some www
reference)!
> > > >
> > > > 2. SCREENING. I have bought samples of screening materials from
> Aaronia,
> > > and found it useful to put transparent fabric over the head while
using
> > > computer. Now I am writing with it over my head, and it does help,
> > although
> > > I can't say it's perfect. It would take me some days to be sure about
> the
> > > extent it helps.
> > > > It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer),
anyway.
> It
> > > does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant by
> > being
> > > reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
> > > > The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge (theoretically
> 50
> > > db). Would you like to see how it looks like wearing it, please see
the
> > > other site that sells it:
> > > > http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/sales/screen.htm
> > > >
> > > > 3. HOUSE. I am starting these days to build a low EMF house. Any
> advice
> > is
> > > appreciated. The house would be screened - wrapped with a 20 db
> shielding
> > > material, and the installation would be shielded. It is already in a
low

Hello Drasko,

measuring of radar is no sinecure.
The signal is not so stark, and other signals get in the way.
Especially meters with AGC, Advanced Gain Control, amplify those weak
signals, and their loudspeaker volume does not correspond with the actual
signal strenght.

As you know I write also about meters, and I am waiting for the new HF
Analyser HF59B, which was planned for last week.
However it will take some extra weeks, before it is ready.
The point is, that they are developing extra effort in making the measuring
of radar waves easier.
As soon as I receive the first HF59B, I am writing an issue of *het bitje*
in dutch and german, and especially for you an english edition.

In the mean time, when you look at *het bitje* issue june 2004, which is in
dutch, you can see pictures of the frequency filter for the HF Analysers.
Those pictures show my prototype; the final version has a nicer scaling.
I got the pictures of that after publication of the issue.
The slider of the filter goes down and filters that frequency out (or makes
it less in quantity).
For instance when you may have GSM 900, the filter gives a reduction at 1800
MHz, (upper waves) but if you slide further down, and come at 900, the
display value is at its smallest. Than you know you measure 900 MHz.
The same goes for other frequencies.
1800 MHz gives its lowest values at 1800 and a bit more on 900 (down waves).

Soon Gigahertz Solutions will have the ScopeDMM750 in their Programm.
It is a digital oscilloscope, and can be connected to their meters, the
lowfrequency as their high frequency meters.
They need to make an adaption to the built-in software.
I have ordered one, and will write about it, together with the ME3951A with
*Pizza*board or TCO-light, the combination for testing Monitors according to
TCO/MPR norms.
Therefore, ther meter must be able to measure within two seperate frequency
bands:
Band 1: 5 Hz to 2 kHz
Band 2: 2 kHz to 400 kHz.

With this ScopeDMM750 I hope to find other discrepancies in monitors.
The ScopeDMM750 is now sold at Conrad.de
It can be found under *Messtechnik* than *Oszilloscope*


Another new development is the MultiFrequenzFilter MFF-1 of ROM-Elektronik.
http://www.rom-elektronik.de/produkt.html
This kit will be placed between a meter and its antenna.
They have a PDF file about it.
With this filter, you determine in which bandwith you want to measure.
For instance GSM 900. When you press the buttom, you meter only measures
from 935 - 960 MHz.
All other frequencies are weakened.

I keep you posted.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus





----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 04:13
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko


> Yes, Charles, you could be right about the disadvantages of putting a
> conductive fabric over the head... I don't like it as I supposed I
would....
> But could be that grounding of the fabric would help? It is not wise to
> screen just monitor as the rest of the computer does radiate
significantelly
> as well..
>
> Regarding A2000 and different fabric producers like Biologa is, I am about
> to order hundreds of meters of A2000, could have been a better price
> directly form Biologa, but their iste is only in German... Anyway, if you
> were my place, what have you bought to wrap the whole house primarily
> against radar at some kilometers away?! Do you know more about how modern
> radars work and what is the profile of their radiation?? All I know that
> they emitt razor sharp impulses... Could be that the peak readings of
such
> impulses are not reliable at Aaronia HF Detector. Any recomendation would
be

Hello Drasko,

the A2000 and the G-ES are the same and cost 6 Euro per m2.

Lighter and less obtrusive is the Maler gewebe from Marburg or Diamant from
Biologa.
It costs 10.50 per m2, but can easier applied to wall, and can be used as
curtain.

The shielding is the same as the A2000, that is 20 dB.

There is also a new material coming which should shield 140 dB.
Next week I shall know more about is.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 04:13
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko


> Yes, Charles, you could be right about the disadvantages of putting a
> conductive fabric over the head... I don't like it as I supposed I
would....
> But could be that grounding of the fabric would help? It is not wise to
> screen just monitor as the rest of the computer does radiate
significantelly
> as well..
>
> Regarding A2000 and different fabric producers like Biologa is, I am about
> to order hundreds of meters of A2000, could have been a better price
> directly form Biologa, but their iste is only in German... Anyway, if you
> were my place, what have you bought to wrap the whole house primarily
> against radar at some kilometers away?! Do you know more about how modern
> radars work and what is the profile of their radiation?? All I know that
> they emitt razor sharp impulses... Could be that the peak readings of
such
> impulses are not reliable at Aaronia HF Detector. Any recomendation would
be point
> of
> > Aaronia products do not have those products in their programm any more.
> > It has nothing to do with pricing policy.
> > Aaronia is claiming a lot, but is is the question if it is true.
> >
> > Point 2. A shiedling must be away from your body, otherwise, it works
like
> > an antenna and transmits what it gets over to you.
> > It is better to place this fabric over your monitor than over your head.
> >
> > Point 3. I was one of the first in using and recommending the Aaronia
> A2000
> > shielding.
> > Aaronia provided me a curve, claiming a shielding of 30 dB.
> > They made an official printed information leaflet, with the same curve.
> > They had some hassle in court, and they came with a new leaflet,
claiming for Aaronia feel
> > > being
> > > > in a very good company!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. MEASURING. I have bought a new meter (Aaronia Multidetector
Profi
> > > > www.electrosmog.com), that added me a possibility of monitoring LF
and
> > kHz
> > > > range *electric* fields. I bought it as to try to additionally
couple causes
> > our
> > > > symptoms. ***Prediction of wellbeing can not easily be based on
> > objective
> > > > measures!*** For example, readings in average home often exceed the
> > > readings
> > > > at "dangerous" (problematic) proximity to high voltage power lines,
> > > > computer, or fluorescent lights! I challenge anybody to oppose this
> > > > statement!
> > > > > Any help regarding coupling sensations and objective measures
would about
> > the
> > > > extent it helps.
> > > > > It is a very strange feeling wearing it (without a computer),
> anyway.
> > It
> > > > does make a big difference, but I am now aware of what people meant
by
> > > being
> > > > reserved about the wellbeing in a totally shielded room.
> > > > > The shielding ability of such canopies is rather huge
(theoretically

Excellent info Charles. I also appreciate it.

Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: charles [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 2:30 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko

Hello Drasko,

measuring of radar is no sinecure.
The signal is not so stark, and other signals get in the way.
Especially meters with AGC, Advanced Gain Control, amplify those weak
signals, and their loudspeaker volume does not correspond with the actual
signal strenght.

As you know I write also about meters, and I am waiting for the new HF
Analyser HF59B, which was planned for last week.
However it will take some extra weeks, before it is ready.
The point is, that they are developing extra effort in making the measuring
of radar waves easier.
As soon as I receive the first HF59B, I am writing an issue of *het bitje*
in dutch and german, and especially for you an english edition.

In the mean time, when you look at *het bitje* issue june 2004, which is in
dutch, you can see pictures of the frequency filter for the HF Analysers.
Those pictures show my prototype; the final version has a nicer scaling.
I got the pictures of that after publication of the issue.
The slider of the filter goes down and filters that frequency out (or makes
it less in quantity).
For instance when you may have GSM 900, the filter gives a reduction at 1800
MHz, (upper waves) but if you slide further down, and come at 900, the
display value is at its smallest. Than you know you measure 900 MHz.
The same goes for other frequencies.
1800 MHz gives its lowest values at 1800 and a bit more on 900 (down waves).

Soon Gigahertz Solutions will have the ScopeDMM750 in their Programm.
It is a digital oscilloscope, and can be connected to their meters, the
lowfrequency as their high frequency meters.
They need to make an adaption to the built-in software.
I have ordered one, and will write about it, together with the ME3951A with
*Pizza*board or TCO-light, the combination for testing Monitors according to
TCO/MPR norms.
Therefore, ther meter must be able to measure within two seperate frequency
bands:
Band 1: 5 Hz to 2 kHz
Band 2: 2 kHz to 400 kHz.

With this ScopeDMM750 I hope to find other discrepancies in monitors.
The ScopeDMM750 is now sold at Conrad.de
It can be found under *Messtechnik* than *Oszilloscope*


Another new development is the MultiFrequenzFilter MFF-1 of ROM-Elektronik.
http://www.rom-elektronik.de/produkt.html
This kit will be placed between a meter and its antenna.
They have a PDF file about it.
With this filter, you determine in which bandwith you want to measure.
For instance GSM 900. When you press the buttom, you meter only measures
from 935 - 960 MHz.
All other frequencies are weakened.

I keep you posted.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus





----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 04:13
Subject: Re: [eSens] news from Drasko


> Yes, Charles, you could be right about the disadvantages of putting a
> conductive fabric over the head... I don't like it as I supposed I
would....
> But could be that grounding of the fabric would help? It is not wise to
> screen just monitor as the rest of the computer does radiate
significantelly
> as well..
>
> Regarding A2000 and different fabric producers like Biologa is, I am about
> to order hundreds of meters of A2000, could have been a better price
> directly form Biologa, but their iste is only in German... Anyway, if you
> were my place, what have you bought to wrap the whole house primarily
> against radar at some kilometers away?! Do you know more about how modern
> radars work and what is the profile of their radiation?? All I know that
> they emitt razor sharp impulses... Could be that the peak readings of
such
> impulses are not reliable at Aaronia HF Detector. Any recomendation would
be





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