newbie questions

Hi all,
I am newly acquiring ES and my symptoms are increasing each day. Lately, I
am having trouble going to bed. The magnetic frequency on my bed measures
about 1 - 1.5 which is pretty much the lowest in the apartment. But I think
I may be reacting to the motion detector lighting system on my neighbors
house. It seems to pick up on my movements in my bedroom. I don't know how
those systems work but I wonder if there is a high frequency being given
off. Also, a ton of airplanes are flying overhead now and I feel something
in my head and body every time. It's not severe but I can't fall asleep with
it and I also experience severe depression and hopelessness as a symptom. I
am so stressed trying to find a new apartment. I was looking in this beach
area so I could be near the ocean due to my MCS and now it occurs to me that
I should move out in the country somewhere NOT in the line of an airport.
Does anyone know if there is a resource somewhere for finding out areas not
flown over by airplanes? It seems that would be quite difficult to find.

The apartment I am in has a very high magnetic reading - up to 35 at times
in certain areas of the apartment at floor level, but the standard waist
level reading in my kitchen/living room is 4 - 6. Once I remove myself from
this environment (I've been here a year!) can I hope for a complete EMF
recovery or am I pretty much screwed now that it has been 'activated'? I am
getting very sound sensitive as well, with unexpected sounds causing a jolt
through my body. But the worst symptom might be the severe depression. Any
survival tips?

Thanks, Julie

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> Once I remove myself from
> this environment (I've been here a year!) can I hope for a complete EMF
> recovery or am I pretty much screwed now that it has been 'activated'?

Julie, you possibly could have a complete EMF recovery even staying in
the environment that you are currently in -- the problem is always
finding something that helps (e.g, dental filling removal, heavy
metal detox, immune system boosters, emf protection devices,
minerals, essential fatty acids, antioxidants, etc.)

I got over a lot of my EMF problems without moving or changing
jobs, but it took a lot of time, a lot of trial and error, and
a lot of money wasted on things that didn't help.

Marc

Thanks for the hopeful message Marc. I already had my mercury amalgams removed in
2001 and did 2 years of DMPS chelation per the Andy Cutler protocol. Maybe I still need to
do more. I have an Earth Calm home protector plugged in. I am taking a compounded
antioxidant blend. I have some immune system boosters on order (astragalus,reishi/
shitake mushrooms for soups) and am working with a homeopathist and will beworking
with a couple of herbalists to help boost my immune system and nervous systems.

I was under the impression that I needed to get out of my apartment ASAP for recovery to
take place. Are you saying that I can recover while living here and that itwould be SAFE TO
STAY with magnetic radiation levels that high?

I also wanted to mention that I am on the pc a lot but find I am much more comfortable on
my pc than off. When I am off the pc and just relaxing or watching tv, the EMF issues are
more noticeable and uncomfortable. Could I be addicted to the EMFs?

Thanks all, Julie

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

--- In [hidden email], "julie genser" <j_genser@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am newly acquiring ES and my symptoms are increasing each day.
Lately, I
> am having trouble going to bed. The magnetic frequency on my bed
measures
> about 1 - 1.5 which is pretty much the lowest in the apartment.
But I think
> I may be reacting to the motion detector lighting system on my
neighbors
> house. It seems to pick up on my movements in my bedroom. I don't
know how
> those systems work but I wonder if there is a high frequency being
given
> off. Also, a ton of airplanes are flying overhead now and I feel
something
> in my head and body every time. It's not severe but I can't fall
asleep with
> it and I also experience severe depression and hopelessness as a
symptom. I
> am so stressed trying to find a new apartment. I was looking in
this beach
> area so I could be near the ocean due to my MCS and now it occurs
to me that
> I should move out in the country somewhere NOT in the line of an
airport.
> Does anyone know if there is a resource somewhere for finding out
areas not
> flown over by airplanes? It seems that would be quite difficult to
find.
>
> The apartment I am in has a very high magnetic reading - up to 35
at times
> in certain areas of the apartment at floor level, but the standard
waist
> level reading in my kitchen/living room is 4 - 6. Once I remove
myself from
> this environment (I've been here a year!) can I hope for a
complete EMF
> recovery or am I pretty much screwed now that it has
been 'activated'? I am
> getting very sound sensitive as well, with unexpected sounds
causing a jolt
> through my body. But the worst symptom might be the severe
depression. Any
> survival tips?
>
> Thanks, Julie
> Shivani's website www.LifeEnergies.com had another site that you
could look up your address and find towers and antennas in the area
you live. it is www.antennasearch.com. It was enlightenting to me to
say the least. This is such a good resource and thanks all. Peggy
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>

lunagirl32002 wrote:
> Thanks for the hopeful message Marc. I already had my mercury amalgams removed in
> 2001 and did 2 years of DMPS chelation per the Andy Cutler protocol. Maybe I still need to
> do more.

Possibly so. I think for some people, chelation can take 5+ years, and
in many cases people get tired of doing it long before that. Also, I don't
think that DMPS directly removes heavy metals from the brain and from the
nervous system, and I think that these areas may be important for ES
sufferers. To get at the nervous system, you need to try something like
cilantro, NDF, ALA, etc.

> I have an Earth Calm home protector plugged in.

Is it helping? Are you sure that it isn't making you worse? (this is always
a possibility with any EMF protection device)

> I am taking a compounded
> antioxidant blend. I have some immune system boosters on order (astragalus, reishi/
> shitake mushrooms for soups) and am working with a homeopathist and will be working
> with a couple of herbalists to help boost my immune system and nervous systems.

That all sounds like the right sort of stuff... have you experimented also
with probiotics? (I've found these helpful for me)

> I was under the impression that I needed to get out of my apartment ASAP for
> recovery to take place. Are you saying that I can recover while living here
> and that it would be SAFE TO STAY with magnetic radiation levels that high?

I think it may turn out to be easier and faster to recover if you move to a
less harmful area, but in many cases here, people move to a new location and
find that the new location has its own set of problems. Certainly if you
are currently living in a city and you move out to the middle of nowhere,
that would probably be helpful, but in many cases you may just be exchanging
one set of problems for another (for me, it made no difference where I live,
because I am mostly reacting to electronics that I would bring with me to
the new house)

> I also wanted to mention that I am on the pc a lot but find I am much
> more comfortable on my pc than off. When I am off the pc and just
> relaxing or watching tv, the EMF issues are more noticeable and
> uncomfortable. Could I be addicted to the EMFs?

I have seen people make statements like this before -- saying that we
are addicted to the negative energy (always on the computer, always
on the cellphone, etc.), and that if we try to "detox" from it, we
start feeling horrible (much like someone trying to get off of
an addictive drug). I can't say that I have noticed this in my
case however -- if I go to the beach, I feel great! If I sit under
florescent lights, I feel bad...

Marc

In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:09:08 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I also wanted to mention that I am on the pc a lot but find I am much
> more comfortable on my pc than off. When I am off the pc and just
> relaxing or watching tv, the EMF issues are more noticeable and
> uncomfortable. Could I be addicted to the EMFs?

I have seen people make statements like this before -- saying that we
are addicted to the negative energy (always on the computer, always
on the cellphone, etc.), and that if we try to "detox" fro


Paul UK writes -

Its a sensation after all it brings on a state of mind one that is often
linked to positive stimulation in the form of communication,music etc.. from the
devices that we use as the medium, pcs,mobiles hifi... one that we can
relate to if the experience is not completely repellant we may get to bond with it
in some strange phychological way so yes we may be addicted to emfs, for
some it connects them it makes them feel as though they belong..and so on yes I
think there is a debatable issue here.






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In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:06:13 PM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

> recovery or am I pretty much screwed now that it has
been 'activated'? I am
> getting very sound sensitive as well, with unexpected sounds
causing a jolt
> through my body. But the worst symptom might be the severe
depression. Any
> survival tips?

Remember ES is nothing personal, dont allow yourself to focus your
frustration onto anyone in particular you will not have enough mental energy for that,
everyone has the right to use the technology that offends us and by many
accounts so many enjoy it it symptom free if you let it get personal you will
amplify your stress and anger,this alone will begin to degrade you far quicker
than emf overload, get a philosophical perspective on this one asap. find
courage and a smile, . Look at it as a multilayed problem and do what you can
layer by layer to try to alleviate your symptoms go for simple options first,
think latterally, physical and mental solutions Example - Try turning off
your electricity at night or as many circuits as you can. Purchase a head net
from powerwatch cover it with material and try wearing it at night. Your
work place will be significant so suss out what you can do here. If you have a
dect phone ditch it, if you use a mobile keep it for emergency use only if
you have to use it use an airtube handsfree... Where you sit in your house for
long periods make sure you are not close to appliances that give of high
elec feilds/emf, In the face of this problem you need to find as much inner
peace as you can, the anger will ruin you, when it manifests itself.
Be mindful of the fact that you will probably have to change your lifestyle,
this may mean taking alternative employment, possibly less hours as a
compromise..
Look at Electrosensitivity.org..uk this is a good website for the ES













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HELLO THERE. FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN SEARCH OF A NEW BED UNLESS YOU ARE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS VERY LITTLE EMF OR ELECTRICITY. ITS THE METAL COILSPRINGS IN THE BED. I TOO MYSELF HAD TROUBLE STAYING ASLEEP WHEN I FIRST DEVELOPED THE CONDITION IN WHICH I STILL DEBATE ITS VALIDITY DAILY. THE AIRPLANE THING THAT YOU DESCRIBED ALSO WAS ONCE SOMETHING THAT I FEARED AND PONDERED ABOUT ITS POSSIBLE EFFECTS ON MY HEALTH. SORRY, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY DO A THING, BUT I DON'T THINK SO CAUSE THEY ARE SO HIGH IN THE AIR THAT BY THE TIME IT REACHES YOU IT WOULD HAVE DIMINISHED IN STRENGTH. TRY GOING TO THE AIRPORT AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL. AS FOR YOUR LAST QUESTION, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU CAN RECOVER FROM THIS IF YOU DO ONE THING......STAY AWAY FROM EMF SOURCES AS LONG AS YOU CAN UNTIL YOUR BODY IS HEALED. I BELIEVE IF YOU STAY IN CONTACT WITH EMF FIELDS AND THE SYMPTOMS PROGRESS, YOU MAY NOT FULLY RECOVER DUE TO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE THAT IT
MAY CREATE. YOU MUST BELIEVE IN HOPE CAUSE ITS ALL YOU HAVE AGAINST THE DISEASE.

BYE BYE

julie genser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,
I am newly acquiring ES and my symptoms are increasing each day. Lately, I
am having trouble going to bed. The magnetic frequency on my bed measures
about 1 - 1.5 which is pretty much the lowest in the apartment. But I think
I may be reacting to the motion detector lighting system on my neighbors
house. It seems to pick up on my movements in my bedroom. I don't know how
those systems work but I wonder if there is a high frequency being given
off. Also, a ton of airplanes are flying overhead now and I feel something
in my head and body every time. It's not severe but I can't fall asleep with
it and I also experience severe depression and hopelessness as a symptom. I
am so stressed trying to find a new apartment. I was looking in this beach
area so I could be near the ocean due to my MCS and now it occurs to me that
I should move out in the country somewhere NOT in the line of an airport.
Does anyone know if there is a resource somewhere for finding out areas not
flown over by airplanes? It seems that would be quite difficult to find.

The apartment I am in has a very high magnetic reading - up to 35 at times
in certain areas of the apartment at floor level, but the standard waist
level reading in my kitchen/living room is 4 - 6. Once I remove myself from
this environment (I've been here a year!) can I hope for a complete EMF
recovery or am I pretty much screwed now that it has been 'activated'? I am
getting very sound sensitive as well, with unexpected sounds causing a jolt
through my body. But the worst symptom might be the severe depression. Any
survival tips?

Thanks, Julie

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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> Possibly so. I think for some people, chelation can take 5+ years, and
> in many cases people get tired of doing it long before that. Also, I don't
> think that DMPS directly removes heavy metals from the brain and from the
> nervous system, and I think that these areas may be important for ES
> sufferers. To get at the nervous system, you need to try something like
> cilantro, NDF, ALA, etc.

Actually I used DMPS and ALA, per the Andy Cutler chelation protocol...it definitely removed
metals from my brain because my cognitive symptoms all went away or greatlyimproved...
nonetheless, I think i still need to do more.

Julie

I'm also doing chelation per the Andy Cutler protocol. I think DMPS only removes the mercury from the body and ALA crosses the blood brain barrier toremove it from the brain. I've been doing it for more than a year and I can say it has definitely done lots for the brain. But you can't just take ALA by itself. There are lots of other things you have to take along with it. For some reason chelating the metals causes really bad yeast and fungus issues and you have to take supplements for that. I've heard of some products (can't recall the name) that put both yeast cleanse and metal cleanseingredients together.
----- Original Message -----
From: lunagirl32002
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:31 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: newbie questions


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> Possibly so. I think for some people, chelation can take 5+ years, and
> in many cases people get tired of doing it long before that. Also, I don't
> think that DMPS directly removes heavy metals from the brain and from the
> nervous system, and I think that these areas may be important for ES
> sufferers. To get at the nervous system, you need to try something like
> cilantro, NDF, ALA, etc.

Actually I used DMPS and ALA, per the Andy Cutler chelation protocol...itdefinitely removed
metals from my brain because my cognitive symptoms all went away or greatly improved...
nonetheless, I think i still need to do more.

Julie



   

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