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On August 1, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://www.earthcalm.com/products/emf-protection-band/ Is that a new product? I tried something that looked very much like that (from Earthcalm) several years ago... never noticed it doing anything, though... Marc |
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EarthCalm is a sleazy company. In May they advertised that "with EarthCalm products you can relax knowing you're not taking any chances with Smart Meter health risks." This is fraudulent! And your link took me to a webpage that says, "You can protect yourself from EMFs with EarthCalm products" which is another fraudulent statement. They believe their 90 day return justified this bogus claim. They are either ignorant about their own products, or knowingly taking advantage of desperate people. Do NOT buy from them!
The truth is that some people benefit from the seemingly craziest of thingsat least temporarily. I'd like to suggest that you stick to things which are natural as they seem to have the longest lasting benefits. Here is a good article on the subject http://electricsense.com/2822/emfs-stones-crystals-and-healing/ --- In [hidden email], "jpnordica" <jpnordica@...> wrote: > > http://www.earthcalm.com/products/emf-protection-band/ > > has anyone tried? > |
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On August 2, melissascotthasmail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> EarthCalm is a sleazy company. In May they advertised that "with EarthCalm > products you can relax knowing you're not taking any chances with Smart > Meter health risks." This is fraudulent! I hope you've done sufficient research to be calling Earthcalm "sleazy" and making fraudulent claims. Do you have any personal experience with this company or it's products? Marc |
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> I hope you've done sufficient research to be calling Earthcalm "sleazy" and
> making fraudulent claims. Do you have any personal experience with this > company or it's products? For example, here is a report from someone who has actual experience with Earthcalm products: "I have tried many EMF protection devices, but these are the first ones that I tried that actually worked. They are very effective. In fact they are so effective that I could only use them for brief periods at first. I had no difficulty with using these devices when my nervous system was extremely weak EarthCalm devices may be much less effective than some of the other products on this list, but they are also gentler and therefore more suitable to use for many electrosensitives than the more powerful devices, and that is why I have placed them near the top of the list." That quote is from the "Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity" website: http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/HealingAids4.html Marc |
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at least they give your money back if it does not work which i think every one of these companies should do.
about those stones... amethist made me sick, it felt like held 10 cell phones in my hands. --- In [hidden email], "melissascotthasmail" <melissascotthasmail@...> wrote: > > EarthCalm is a sleazy company. In May they advertised that "with EarthCalm products you can relax knowing you're not taking any chances with Smart Meter health risks." This is fraudulent! And your link took me to a webpage that says, "You can protect yourself from EMFs with EarthCalm products" which is another fraudulent statement. They believe their 90 day return justified this bogus claim. They are either ignorant about their own products, or knowingly taking advantage of desperate people. Do NOT buy from them! > > The truth is that some people benefit from the seemingly craziest of thingsat least temporarily. I'd like to suggest that you stick to things which are natural as they seem to have the longest lasting benefits. Here is a good article on the subject http://electricsense.com/2822/emfs-stones-crystals-and-healing/ > > > > --- In [hidden email], "jpnordica" <jpnordica@> wrote: > > > > http://www.earthcalm.com/products/emf-protection-band/ > > > > has anyone tried? > > > |
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On August 2, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> at least they give your money back if it does not work which i think every one of these companies should do. > > about those stones... amethist made me sick, it felt like held 10 cell phones in my hands. Yes, I recall having a bad reaction to quartz crystals... just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's going to work for you... Marc |
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I am educated in what healthcare devices are allowed under California law. When I spoke with the office manager of EarthCalm she was in California. To make a statement that a product will protect you from EMFs--there needs to be proof.
EarthCalm can NOT prove this because that is not how their product works. For example, the best that EarthCalm can claim is that their plug-in devices smooth a particular band of "dirty" electricity. These plug-in products DO help some people, at least temporarily. BUT they make other people worse. Why? Because there is a trade-off of higher EMFs for "smoother" electricity. Do they give you this information? No! They tell you that you are protected. Whether they are ignorant about their own products or deceitful doesn't really matter. Their claims are simply wrong. --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On August 2, melissascotthasmail <melissascotthasmail@...> wrote: > > EarthCalm is a sleazy company. In May they advertised that "with EarthCalm > > products you can relax knowing you're not taking any chances with Smart > > Meter health risks." This is fraudulent! > > I hope you've done sufficient research to be calling Earthcalm "sleazy" and > making fraudulent claims. Do you have any personal experience with this > company or it's products? > > Marc > |
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On August 2, melissascotthasmail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am educated in what healthcare devices are allowed under California law. Sorry, but that education is not going to be helpful for understanding how EMF protection devices work. In fact, that education may even get in the way. :-) > To make a statement that a product will protect you from EMFs--there > needs to be proof. What does that have to do with healthcare devices allowed under California law? As far as I know, EMF is not classified as being unhealthy. :-) > EarthCalm can NOT prove this because that is not how their product > works. For example, the best that EarthCalm can claim is that their > plug-in devices smooth a particular band of "dirty" electricity. I can see that you know nothing about how Earthcalm devices work. They do nothing about "dirty" electricity. For that, you should buy a power filter. > These plug-in products DO help some people, at least temporarily. > BUT they make other people worse. You can say that about almost everything. > Why? Because there is a trade-off of higher EMFs for "smoother" electricity. Again, Earthcalm devices do nothing to "smooth" the electricity. And what exactly is bad about "smooth" electricity provided by a power filter? > Do they give you this information? No! They tell you that you are protected. There was once a time when you called up Earthcalm, you spoke to the inventor. She never would have made such claims. I don't know who answers the phones these days. It's clear that you have a strong anti-Earthcalm bias, even though you have never even tried their products. Marc |
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No, my healthcare education has nothing to do with my knowledge of EMFs.
However, the classes I took in EMF mitigation have a lot to do with my knowledge. It doesn't matter if EMFs are not classified as being unhealthy-it matters what you claim. EarthCalm specifically claimed that their devices protected you from Smart Meter health effects. I was introduced to EarthCalm plug-in devices along with Stetzer and Greenwave filters. If EarthCalms plug-ins work differently I would like details. Both Stetzer and Greenwave filters reduce "dirty" electricity. Yes, I have a strong bias. My life is dedicated to getting rid of Smart Meters. I spend a lot of time talking with people who are newly EHS, sick and terrified. One woman I spoke with was made much worse by EarthCalm plug-ins, but she was told to continue using them because it would take time for her body to adjust. Ignorance? Cruelty? An attempt to get customers to keep products past the 90 day money back guarantee? When EarthCalm was nicely asked to remove Smart Meter health claims from their website the response was one of attack. Surprising since it is in EarthCalm's favor to be truthful--I assume they don't want legal action taken against them. But EarthCalm's office manager wasn't interested in discussing the issue. They said their claim was justified because it had a 90 day money back guarantee. What does a money-back guarantee have to do with health effects? Action was taken. The Smart Meter world expert who EarthCalm quoted on their website was contacted. ..Statements have been removed, but there is still enough on the website to get them in trouble. If they were wise they would post careful details. There are ways to sell products without making false claims! --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On August 2, melissascotthasmail <melissascotthasmail@...> wrote: > > I am educated in what healthcare devices are allowed under California law. > > Sorry, but that education is not going to be helpful for understanding how > EMF protection devices work. In fact, that education may even get in the way. :-) > > > To make a statement that a product will protect you from EMFs--there > > needs to be proof. > > What does that have to do with healthcare devices allowed under > California law? As far as I know, EMF is not classified as being > unhealthy. :-) > > > EarthCalm can NOT prove this because that is not how their product > > works. For example, the best that EarthCalm can claim is that their > > plug-in devices smooth a particular band of "dirty" electricity. > > I can see that you know nothing about how Earthcalm devices > work. They do nothing about "dirty" electricity. For that, you > should buy a power filter. > > > These plug-in products DO help some people, at least temporarily. > > BUT they make other people worse. > > You can say that about almost everything. > > > Why? Because there is a trade-off of higher EMFs for "smoother" electricity. > > Again, Earthcalm devices do nothing to "smooth" the electricity. > And what exactly is bad about "smooth" electricity provided by a power > filter? > > > Do they give you this information? No! They tell you that you are protected. > > There was once a time when you called up Earthcalm, you spoke > to the inventor. She never would have made such claims. I don't know > who answers the phones these days. > > It's clear that you have a strong anti-Earthcalm bias, even though you > have never even tried their products. > > Marc > |
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> It doesn't matter if EMFs are not classified as being
> unhealthy-it matters what you claim. It may matter to YOU what they claim. What matters to ME is that if something actually works for ME, which is totally unrelated to what is on on a company's website, or what their salespeople say, or what the law allows a company to say. > EarthCalm specifically claimed that their devices > protected you from Smart Meter health effects. And as far as I can tell, you have no proof otherwise (yet you criticize them for their lack of proof). > If EarthCalms plug-ins work differently I would like > details. It used to be on their website. They are not related to Stetzer filters at all. They are much closer to the crystals you were trying to steer people towards. > One woman I spoke with was made much worse by > EarthCalm plug-ins, but she was told to continue > using them because it would take time for her body > to adjust. Ignorance? Cruelty? Unpleasant detox effects? The EMF protection devices that were the most helpful to me in the long run also provoked some nasty detox reactions for the first couple months. > When EarthCalm was nicely asked to remove Smart Meter > health claims from their website the response was one > of attack. They probably believe their Smart Meter claims are correct, and they probably also believed the person "nicely asking" wasn't being so nice. Marc |
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I fully agree to you. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by NIS2012 ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: new earthcalm product > It doesn't matter if EMFs are not classified as being > unhealthy--it matters what you claim. It may matter to YOU what they claim. What matters to ME is that if something actually works for ME, which is totally unrelated to what is on on a company's website, or what their salespeople say, or what the law allows a company to say. > EarthCalm specifically claimed that their devices > protected you from Smart Meter health effects. And as far as I can tell, you have no proof otherwise (yet you criticize them for their lack of proof). > If EarthCalms plug-ins work differently I would like > details. It used to be on their website. They are not related to Stetzer filters at all. They are much closer to the crystals you were trying to steer people towards. > One woman I spoke with was made much worse by > EarthCalm plug-ins, but she was told to continue > using them because it would take time for her body > to adjust. Ignorance? Cruelty? Unpleasant detox effects? The EMF protection devices that were the most helpful to me in the long run also provoked some nasty detox reactions for the first couple months. > When EarthCalm was nicely asked to remove Smart Meter > health claims from their website the response was one > of attack. They probably believe their Smart Meter claims are correct, and they probably also believed the person "nicely asking" wasn't being so nice. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I am not selling anything so I do NOT have to prove anything. EarthCalm is selling things, so they do have to stand behind their products, and abide by the laws which say that health effect claims require proof.
I am glad these products work for you. They DO help some people. I never said they did not. But don't suggest that they mitigate the effects of microwave radiation pulsed strong enough to send data a full mile. That's what we have in my area. The people here who are successfully using EarthCalm products are a little better-NOT healthy, and NOT protected-just better enough to make a difference worth keeping the product. It's all a matter of degrees. If EarthCalm wants to claim that some people feel better with their products around Smart Meters-that would be a true and very provable statement. But to say that their products protect from Smart Meter harm is false. Do you feel so confident about plug-ins that you'd advise a pregnant mother to use them instead of trying to avoid microwave radiation? That would be foolish. If you like EarthCalm products then perhaps you would like them to stay in business. So why not help them stay in business by asking that they make legal claims rather than putting themselves at risk. Also, I am NOT trying to steer people to crystals. They don't work for me! I found that article useful because it makes the point that what works for each person is different. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Marc, > > I fully agree to you. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:41 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: new earthcalm product > > > > It doesn't matter if EMFs are not classified as being > > unhealthy--it matters what you claim. > > It may matter to YOU what they claim. What matters to > ME is that if something actually works for ME, which > is totally unrelated to what is on on a company's > website, or what their salespeople say, or what > the law allows a company to say. > > > EarthCalm specifically claimed that their devices > > protected you from Smart Meter health effects. > > And as far as I can tell, you have no proof otherwise > (yet you criticize them for their lack of proof). > > > If EarthCalms plug-ins work differently I would like > > details. > > It used to be on their website. They are not related > to Stetzer filters at all. They are much closer > to the crystals you were trying to steer people > towards. > > > One woman I spoke with was made much worse by > > EarthCalm plug-ins, but she was told to continue > > using them because it would take time for her body > > to adjust. Ignorance? Cruelty? > > Unpleasant detox effects? The EMF protection devices > that were the most helpful to me in the long run > also provoked some nasty detox reactions for the first > couple months. > > > When EarthCalm was nicely asked to remove Smart Meter > > health claims from their website the response was one > > of attack. > > They probably believe their Smart Meter claims are > correct, and they probably also believed the person > "nicely asking" wasn't being so nice. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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On August 3, melissascotthasmail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am glad these products work for you. They DO help some people. > I never said they did not. Actually, all you said was they they might help some people TEMPORARILY. I think that they might help some people permanently. > The people here who are successfully using EarthCalm products are a > little better-NOT healthy, and NOT protected-just better enough > to make a difference worth keeping the product. That might be the best you can expect from any "EMF protection device". In order to be fully healthy, you need to do more than buy some device and expect it to solve all of your problems. > It's all a matter of degrees. If EarthCalm wants to claim that > some people feel better with their products around Smart Meters-that > would be a true and very provable statement. But to say that > their products protect from Smart Meter harm is false. I find that the marketing for all sorts of products (unrelated to EMF) is full of exaggerations and falsehoods. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's certainly not limited to EarthCalm. Marc |
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