neuropsych testing

I just got the results of neuropsych testing, and wondered if anyone
else has had these kind of tests and what were the results.

The main result was that while I excelled in most areas, I was
rather poor and slow in terms of "working memory".

I'm not sure if they considered that found the testing quite
fatiguing by the end. Conceivably my glial cells are not up
to that much activity. I know the math test was first. I'm not
sure when the "working memory" tests were. I think it was the
one that involved hearing numbers and saying them back, sometimes
backwards. I think it's something I could have done very well
a few years ago (I memorized 50 digits of pi in high school, and
could memorize phone numbers very easily). By the end of
that test I remember thinking "this is torture".

They also did personality testing and said I'm the type who does
not accept that my problem could be psychological. Well, I did
consider that it could be psychological for a couple months, but
now that I'm convinced it's not, they're right.

Any brain experts out there care to comment on any of this?

Bill


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Let me rephrase something.

Electrosensibles do have problems with their short-term memory.

F.i. I remeber very well what happened in my youth (and that is a very, very
long time ago).
I am sitting at my desk and I want to get something from the kitchen.
When standing up, and underway to the kitchen, I am at a lost, because I
cannot remember what I wanted te get.

Or, you are on a webpage, and want to look for something on another page.
When changing into your browser, you are completely forgotten what to look
for.
You know exactly what you had for dinner, but this short-term memory is
going down the drain.

I am not a brain expert, but this phenomenon does bother many people.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 21:09
Subject: [eSens] neuropsych testing

Good description. I also find that I used to be able to hold onto
a train of thought, follow another train of thought, and then come back to
the first one. Now that seems almost hopeless. Although I notice a
lot of variation. Some evenings I can really seem like a pro playing
the memory game "concentration" (remember where picture cards are
so you can turn them over in matched pairs). Other times I'm horrible at
it. I suppose it depends how much exposure I've had recently, but
I also think some activities like guitar playing may help get my faculties
back?

Bill



On 8/7/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> The main result was that while I excelled in most areas, I was
> rather poor and slow in terms of "working memory".

I think that my memory has been worse than normal for
decades, however, when I was suffering the most from
ES and chemical sensitivities, my memory became really
bad! However, as the my ES and chemical sensitivities
have lessened, my memory has improved.

Marc

Isn't this to do with mercury and maybe other things crossing the
blood/brain barrier because it has become weaker than it should be?

I think maybe gluten might contribute to the weakening because I read
a post on here just over a week ago about gluten possibly being one
of the causes and in the past week I have noticed that I seem to feel
worse when I have foods with gluten in. The trouble with gluten is
that it's in so many foods that it's difficult to avoid but I think
it's worth trying to avoid it for a few days if people haven't
already, to see what happens to their ES.

Richard


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Let me rephrase something.
>
> Electrosensibles do have problems with their short-term memory.
>
> F.i. I remeber very well what happened in my youth (and that is a
very, very
> long time ago).
> I am sitting at my desk and I want to get something from the
kitchen.
> When standing up, and underway to the kitchen, I am at a lost,
because I
> cannot remember what I wanted te get.
>
> Or, you are on a webpage, and want to look for something on another
page.
> When changing into your browser, you are completely forgotten what
to look
> for.
> You know exactly what you had for dinner, but this short-term
memory is
> going down the drain.
>
> I am not a brain expert, but this phenomenon does bother many
people.
>

Hi, Richard,
   
I have celiac disease--a genetic disease caused by gluten intolerance. IDO NOT consider celiac d. or gluten PRIMARILY to be a factor in ES. However, I do consider gluten intolerance and OTHER food intolerance to be a factor in lymphatic congestion and overload. And I think it is a tad suspect that toxins in general seem to pop up here continually. One thing ALL toxins have in common is they affect lymphatic overload.  
   
But you are correct that CELIAC disease also affects the blood/brain barrier. I am not aware of gluten intolerances in general affecting the BBB long-term, tho I know of one researcher who claims that anybody eating glutens has temporary tj opening in the gut (for around 5 mins) after eating glutens. There have been links here to ES research that mentions ES also affecting the BBB directly. What celiac d. and ES seem to have in common are that they both affect the tight junctions in the lining of the BBB.
   
I also want to address your belief that not eating glutens for "a few days" will help you see if glutens affects your ES. You might see a significant difference in a few days from not eating gluten, but that might only be because you are lessening your lymphatic overload. Celiacs must eat no gluten for about 2 years to see mucosal improvement which heals the BBB and intestines. So, if gluten is a serious problem for you, it is unlikely that avoidance of a few days is doing any healing. It is only that you might beseeing a difference in other intolerance symptoms or the lymphatic overload symptoms.
   
A celiac must consume zero glutens, also, for healing. Ok, zero is not probably possible, given contamination, etc, but as close to a zero limit ascan be acheived. So that you know this incase you are indeed gluten intolerant or celiac... you must read all labels carefully and even then, as actual celiacs will tell you, you are likely to be getting alot of minor gluten contamination. To actually get well if you are gluten intolerant, you may need to do alot of research. Even many celiac docs lead their patients astray on what they can or cannot tolerate. I could not tolerate hubby's cereal dust in the air for 2 or 3 hours after he had breakfast. At the time my doc thought this had nothing to do with celiac disease. Seven years later a research paper was publish stating that unresponsive celiac disease can be traced back to air-borne glutens. I am just trying to relate that total gluten avoidance is not easy--I react to air-borne glutens in the air from farmers
harvesting, from cereal spills at the local supermarket, from kissing people who are wearing glutens in one form or another...  
   
Celiacs come in all tolerance levels. But if you are a celiac who has major tj damage, you are a very intolerant celiac. And when you are linking gluten and ES together causally, you would need to know that you are talking about a particular segment, only, of gluten-intolerants. What I mean is,tj damage from celiac disease is probably the only link, but if ES also causes tj damage, that is mute. If you are thinking gluten affects ES thru secondary causes, then yes, I think that makes sense.
   
Just my 2 cents again,
Diane

richsurf77 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Isn't this to do with mercury and maybe other things crossing the
blood/brain barrier because it has become weaker than it should be?

I think maybe gluten might contribute to the weakening because I read
a post on here just over a week ago about gluten possibly being one
of the causes and in the past week I have noticed that I seem to feel
worse when I have foods with gluten in. The trouble with gluten is
that it's in so many foods that it's difficult to avoid but I think
it's worth trying to avoid it for a few days if people haven't
already, to see what happens to their ES.

Richard

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Let me rephrase something.
>
> Electrosensibles do have problems with their short-term memory.
>
> F.i. I remeber very well what happened in my youth (and that is a
very, very
> long time ago).
> I am sitting at my desk and I want to get something from the
kitchen.
> When standing up, and underway to the kitchen, I am at a lost,
because I
> cannot remember what I wanted te get.
>
> Or, you are on a webpage, and want to look for something on another
page.
> When changing into your browser, you are completely forgotten what
to look
> for.
> You know exactly what you had for dinner, but this short-term
memory is
> going down the drain.
>
> I am not a brain expert, but this phenomenon does bother many
people.
>



         


       
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