mobile phones

Hi all

Is there anything we have to be careful while choosing a mobile phone?For example would it be better if we stay away from 3G phones?
thanks
cindi



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Hi, Cindi
All I can say is the Lower the SAR rating the better, and use the speaker, I hold mine like im on Star Trek!

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Hi all



Is there anything we have to be careful while choosing a mobile phone?For example would it be better if we stay away from 3G phones?

thanks

cindi



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In a message dated 16/08/2009 07:08:22 GMT Daylight Time,
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Hi all

Is there anything we have to be careful while choosing a mobile phone?For
example would it be better if we stay away from 3G phones?

thanks

cindi



Paul uk replies - 3g phones probably have bluetooth and wifi full on and
with the bigger screens they probably use more power, I think the IPHONE uses
other Iphones as repeaters to boost the signal and so on...


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Hello Cindy,

what a dumb question.

A cell phone ist the apparatus with the highest amount of radiation.
More than a mobile phone mast.

Look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
and listen to the modulations.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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From: "cindi" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: [eSens] mobile phones

The best mobile phone is NO mobile phone at all...

Martin


cindi a écrit :

> what a dumb question.
> A cell phone ist the apparatus with the highest amount of radiation.
> More than a mobile phone mast.

There are no "dumb questions" here... I have a cellphone, but I hardly
ever use it. I got the lowest tech phone I could find (it doesn't
even have a color screen on it), and I only use it for a couple
minutes each month, and when I do, I use it in speakerphone mode.
So I don't have any problem with my cellphone -- I probably have
more problems with OTHER people's cellphones...

Marc

Hello Marc,

everybody on this forum should know by now, that all mobile phones should be
avoided.
At all costs.

And you are right.
OTHER people's cellphones can be an annoyment.
There is a german study, which measured the bystanders smoking effect of
other mobiles, and they found that you got a 100 to 1000 times the radiation
of a mobile phone mast.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] mobile phones

Yes the first question is, whether it's worth having at all given
the increased cancer, sleep problems, brain damage, etc.

If you decide yes, try to find an old phone with an antenna and large
battery. The new small batteries use switch-mode power to raise
the voltage.

Avoid the super powerful phones like Motorola. Keep it off most
of the time. Don't use it in the car unless you have a roof antenna
mounted. Don't use it on a plane or bus or train. Don't let kids
use it. Keep the phone away from you when turning it on or off.
Also, when you dial a number, don't hold it close until the call
has gone through: the "hand-shake" involves a lot of packets
(this advice from a former Verizon engineer).

Also, keep the charger unplugged at night so you can sleep without
the dirty power it generates.



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Thanks to all who have answered.
Marc
Could you give me some tips on how to find lowest tech phone? did you check SAR values?Sometimes low tech phones have higher SAR values.Is SAR value important.Would it be a problem if phone has camera?
thanks
cindi
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From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] mobile phones


> what a dumb question.
> A cell phone ist the apparatus with the highest amount of radiation.
> More than a mobile phone mast.

There are no "dumb questions" here... I have a cellphone, but I hardly
ever use it. I got the lowest tech phone I could find (it doesn't
even have a color screen on it), and I only use it for a couple
minutes each month, and when I do, I use it in speakerphone mode.
So I don't have any problem with my cellphone -- I probably have
more problems with OTHER people's cellphones...

Marc




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Unfortunately if the SAR is low, it just means the maximum exposure with
the phone x distance from your head is lower. Most phones are not on full
power unless they need to be. Beware of phones that say to keep it
1/2 inch from your head or whatever (including iPhone). What you really
want is a phone that can reach the tower with minimal exposure to your
head. Unfortunately, SAR does not get measured that way. Antennas
are good.

Someday we'll have phones that work at 20 GHz.... those might be safer.
But for now only the military can use those frequencies.

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Cindi, I'm afraid that I'm no cellphone expert. My solution has basically
been to use it as little as possible, in speakerphone mode, and get something
without a fancy color screen. I've got a low-end Nokia phone (the model
number is something like 1100). I did not even consider SAR values, as
electrically sensitive people usually react to something other than
whatever people usually measure. I don't think having a camera in
the phone would be an issue in itself, it's just that phones with
cameras tend to have more features (larger, color screen, or a 2nd
screen) which may cause problems.

Marc


On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:31:36 +0300, "cindi" <[hidden email]> said:
> Could you give me some tips on how to find lowest tech phone? did you
> check SAR values?Sometimes low tech phones have higher SAR values.Is SAR
> value important.Would it be a problem if phone has camera?

OK, so I might be the biggest ignoramus here, but I have my cellphone
plastered with so called crystals, resonators, chips and other gimmicks (see below)  and I was under the impression that we are kind of safe to use a cell for a few minutes  a day when using protection. Of course I believed those thermographic pictures where they show less heat around our heads.... Grrrrrrrrr

Sandra
 
http://earthcalm.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=18
http://www.bioprotechnology.ca/Frequently_Asked_Questions.aspx
http://www.emfblues.com/EMF-Protection-EMF-Devices-EMF-Products-EMF-Harmonizer-Neutralize-%20Electromagnetic-Pollution-EMF-Protectors-EMF-Health-EMF-Safe.html
 

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Cindi, I'm afraid that I'm no cellphone expert. My solution has basically
been to use it as little as possible, in speakerphone mode, and get something
without a fancy color screen. I've got a low-end Nokia phone (the model
number is something like 1100). I did not even consider SAR values, as
electrically sensitive people usually react to something other than
whatever people usually measure. I don't think having a camera in
the phone would be an issue in itself, it's just that phones with
cameras tend to have more features (larger, color screen, or a 2nd
screen) which may cause problems.

Marc

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:31:36 +0300, "cindi" <cindiwonderer@ gmail.com> said:
> Could you give me some tips on how to find lowest tech phone? did you
> check SAR values?Sometimes low tech phones have higher SAR values.Is SAR
> value important.Would it be a problem if phone has camera?
















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> OK, so I might be the biggest ignoramus here, but I have my cellphone
> plastered with so called crystals, resonators, chips and other
> gimmicks (see below)  and I was under the impression that we are kind
> of safe to use a cell for a few minutes  a day when using
> protection. Of course I believed those thermographic pictures where
> they show less heat around our heads.... Grrrrrrrrr

Do you notice any difference in symptoms when you use any of these
things with your cellphone? That's what I look for -- there are indeed
a few things which reduce my symptoms around a lot of EMF sources, so I
wouldn't say that they are ALL gimmicks...

Marc

Hi all

You have been very helpful.

Thanks a lot!

cindi
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From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] mobile phones


Cindi, I'm afraid that I'm no cellphone expert. My solution has basically
been to use it as little as possible, in speakerphone mode, and get something
without a fancy color screen. I've got a low-end Nokia phone (the model
number is something like 1100). I did not even consider SAR values, as
electrically sensitive people usually react to something other than
whatever people usually measure. I don't think having a camera in
the phone would be an issue in itself, it's just that phones with
cameras tend to have more features (larger, color screen, or a 2nd
screen) which may cause problems.

Marc

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:31:36 +0300, "cindi" <[hidden email]> said:
> Could you give me some tips on how to find lowest tech phone? did you
> check SAR values?Sometimes low tech phones have higher SAR values.Is SAR
> value important.Would it be a problem if phone has camera?





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A cell phone that is hearing aid compatible might be less risky then one with all the bells and whistles, that have a camera, and internet capability. It should say hearing aid compatible on the box, and be rated at least M-3 and T-3, or higher, for use with hearing aids.

I think they give off less of the most harmful EMFs, and may be a bit safer to use. This is from research I have been doing that indicates this may be the case.

I don't use a cell phone, but my husband does. It stays outside the house at all times, and I never go near it. It is a Motorola that is loaded with all sorts of stuff, and is a major offender for EMFs.

Donnie

I am afraid I'd have to agree with this - and if you have to have one just have an ordinary one without all the apps - it should only be for emergencies and only for calls and texts - definitely not 3G - Iphone is very severeon the unknowing user who prob thinks they have the coolest thing ever [victory for the marketeers] and even more severe on essers. Forgive my cynicism on this but I have just spent 3 days being exposed to one while my sister visited - I was in all kinds of agony for the duration of her visit. And worst of all ??? she is pregnant.
 
Regards
 
Steph

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The best mobile phone is NO mobile phone at all...

Martin

cindi a écrit :















     

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In a message dated 16/08/2009 16:10:22 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

everybody on this forum should know by now, that all mobile phones should
be
avoided.
At all costs.

And you are right.
OTHER people's cellphones can be an annoyment.
There is a german study, which measured the bystanders smoking effect of
other mobiles, and they found that you got a 100 to 1000 times the
radiation
of a mobile phone mast.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens



Paul uk replies - I recently had to travel on a Train in Norway, my son and
I sat in 1st class, empty at the time untill we got moved on, it was then
that I told the ticket collecvtor that I was ES he said that there were 2
carraiges at the endo of the tran devoted to a quiet zone, no mobiles no
laptops no music so we headed there, this was reasonably ok, until a few
crafty people got on and started to secretly text - We really cant win can we?


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Donnie, 
 
I have a blackberry, and yes it stays outside so my wife cannot feel it. She can sense when a call is coming in before it rings!  I noticed that the screen lights up before it rings, so this is when she feels the waves.  Large groups of people, all with cells, are also something to avoid. Airplanes are full of cell users and laptops users.  US Airways has announced they are starting wifi on their flights.  God help us all!
 
Mike (not emf sensitive, but my wife is)
 
P.S.  Some ask about computers and shielding.  In my wife's case, thereis no computer around she can stand to operate.  So everyone is different.

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From: Donnie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] mobile phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 11:52 AM


A cell phone that is hearing aid compatible might be less risky then one with all the bells and whistles, that have a camera, and internet capability.It should say hearing aid compatible on the box, and be rated at least M-3and T-3, or higher, for use with hearing aids.

I think they give off less of the most harmful EMFs, and may be a bit saferto use. This is from research I have been doing that indicates this may bethe case.

I don't use a cell phone, but my husband does. It stays outside the house at all times, and I never go near it. It is a Motorola that is loaded with all sorts of stuff, and is a major offender for EMFs.

Donnie


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In a message dated 17/08/2009 17:44:47 GMT Daylight Time,
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Donnie,

I have a blackberry, and yes it stays outside so my wife cannot feel it.
She can sense when a call is coming in before it rings! I noticed that the
screen lights up before it rings, so this is when she feels the waves.
Large groups of people, all with cells, are also something to avoid.
Airplanes are full of cell users and laptops users. US Airways has announced they
are starting wifi on their flights. God help us all!

Mike (not emf sensitive, but my wife is)




Paul Uk replies - More power to you Mike !


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Geez, another risk factor for those infernal devices.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/18/national/main5248949.shtml

Donnie