mercury fillings

i am sure this has been a recurring topic, but please bear with me.

1) Should i have my fillings removed?
2) Have you all had your fillings removed?
3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth it? If
you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it painful?
4)Those who have NOT had their fillings removed. Why not?

(i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)

Hi,

1) I cannot tell you what to , follow your intuition.
2) yes, all of them as soon as i could
3) yes and i would do it sooner. Had it done in two sessions (had nine_ the first with anast.... the next without and no pain, then they were not so deep and i had just experienced such pain that any pain really could not top that.

At the time i did not know about any danger of mercury filling removal. was following my intuition and think licorice and himalayan rock salt, (or not knowing about these dangers) prevented any any problems. I only felt better. The experience i had before was probably more extreme than most here and there was a lot of pain stemming from the fillings as if they were an antenna for bad energies. There is the option of demagnetising your fillings as well, just to throw that in. A lil' fact though if you have more than four fillings you cannot spit in the toilet legally (the amount of mercury is greater than you in an other circumstance could dispose off..)


In everything you do, follow your intuition. This tactics has found me the answers, supplements, healers and reading material to bring me to almost symtom free!1

Love and Light





canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
i am sure this has been a recurring topic, but please bear with me.

1) Should i have my fillings removed?
2) Have you all had your fillings removed?
3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth it? If
you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it painful?
4)Those who have NOT had their fillings removed. Why not?

(i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)






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I have had all mine removed. I believe it is ESSENTIAL to good health.
I was only painful to my pocket book.
Do it right by the protocol or you may regret it big time.
Any detoxing must be done consciously and not haphazardly. The mercury
fillings must be removed before any other detox can be complete (in my
opinion).
Andrew
On Sep 21, 2005, at 6:44 PM, canaryyuk wrote:

I had a blood test done and had the blood sent to a lab where they
tested my blood to see what kind of reactions it had to all the
different materials that dentists use where they then recommended what
materials my blood didn't have a reaction to. It was a few hundred
dollars. Don't know if they have anything like that in the UK if that
is where you are from. You might find it through a google search for
ddental filling removal mercury or something like that. Believe it or
not I felt really good when I had my plastic fillings removed and
replaced as well as the ones that were amalgom. I had a lot of
fillings. If you only have two I would definitely get them replaced.
I had a bad reaction after the first replacement. I could definitely
feel all the symptoms of mercury toxicity big time. It has taken me a
lot of detoxing for a long time to feel better. But I think it was
essential to getting well. But that is just based on how I feel. No
objective tests. There are those who say that you can't really get
well until you have them removed. And it may be that it is necessary
to detox all the mercury out before the nerve insulation or mylan
sheath can heal itself. Just a guess.

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote:
> i am sure this has been a recurring topic, but please bear with me.
>
> 1) Should i have my fillings removed?
> 2) Have you all had your fillings removed?
> 3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth it?
If
> you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it
painful?
> 4)Those who have NOT had their fillings removed. Why not?
>
> (i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)

> 1) Should i have my fillings removed?

I think if you have any metal dental fillings, it can make
your ES worse, and possible prevent you from recovering.

> 2) Have you all had your fillings removed?

I did, 5 years ago.

> 3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth it? If
> you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it painful?

At the time, a lot of my health problems went away immediately upon
having my fillings removed. The ES did not go away immediately, but
now, 5 years later, it is certainly much better.

I would go through it again, but make sure you go to a "holistic"
dentist, who will get the fillings out quickly. It was not painful
for me.

> (i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)

That's not very many! I had 20 mercury fillings at one time.
Now I have none.

Marc

Hi. I have NOT had mine removed as I have heard of people who have got
worse as a result. Although I realise that good dentists shield the
throat so that mercury fragmants and dust don't get ingested - I am not
confident that the body would be protected from extra exposure. I am
pretty much satisfied that I have been able to get most of the mercury
out of my body...although am not sure at trhe rate that it is going back
in from the fillings that are still there.

Maybe I'm just too chicken - but I'm happy the way things are.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 8:44 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] mercury fillings


i am sure this has been a recurring topic, but please bear with me.

1) Should i have my fillings removed?  
2) Have you all had your fillings removed?
3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth it? If
you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it painful?
4)Those who have NOT had their fillings removed. Why not?

(i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)







 
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Hello,

from amalgam tooth fillings, the mercury is slowly coming out and disappers
into the body.
Then one has a heavy metal poisoning.
By electrosmog, that is high frequency as well as low frequency (50-60 Hz)
the chemical composition changes, so the mercury can get loose much faster.
(Many people with Tinnitus, sounds in the ears, state the source of HF and
amalgam.)

There was a study published in 2003 in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease,
called "Apolipoprotein E genotyping as a potential biomarker for mercury
neurotoxicity." Here is an abstract of that article.
from this study, it appears as though people with the Apolipoprotein E
epsilon-4 gene allele can't excrete metals like those with the epsilon-2
or -3 allele, and are especially at risk for buildup of Hg in the brain. So
having this allele could predispose someone to faster rates of Hg uptake
than others in the populace and, thus, create greater susceptibility to
Hg-based pathologies like ES.
This is a possible reason why some of us get ES and others don't. And it may
have some bearing on how much more chelation is needed for those with the
epsilon-4 allele to successfully treat their ES.
In a new book, yet to be released, it is mentioned that our body actually
does have a natural ability to detox mercury, but it does it at the expense
of depleting our glutathione (GSH) production.
As soon as mercury arrives in our body, it steals an electron from a
glutathione molecule, rendering it useless. Then we don't have enough
glutathione to battle with free radicals to keep rest of our body healthy.
One result is hypothyroidism (along with about 50 other potential health
problems).
So the writer strongly suggests glutatione enhancement through some of the
following so we can naturally detox mercury and keep rest of body healthy:

* Vitamin C - maintains GSH levels
* Beta-Carotene - enhances GSH production
* Vitamin E - enhances GSH production
* Selenium - GSH cofactor
* N-Acetyl-Cysteine - raises GSH levels
* Alpha-Lipoic Acid - enhances cellular and extracellular GSH
* SAM-e - Raises RBC and liver GSH levels
* Riboflavin - Facilitates GSH-Px system
* Niacin - Facilitates GSH-Px system
* Cysteine - Metabolic precursor - raises GSH levels

The writer mentioned that from clinical tests in Sweden, it was apparent
that people that had their amalgam fillings removed naturally detoxed
mercury by 50% within one year.
He also mentioned that mercury that goes beyond the blood-brain barrier is
much more difficult to detox.

(Glenn mentioned this some time ago: Is the book available yet?)

The best advise is buying the book by Andrew Hall Cutler, Phd, PE :
www.noamalgam.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 00:44
Subject: [eSens] mercury fillings

> (Glenn mentioned this some time ago: Is the book available yet?)
>
> The best advise is buying the book by Andrew Hall Cutler, Phd, PE :
> www.noamalgam.com

I purchased that book 5 years ago, so I assume it's available... :-)

But actually, I personally did not find that book to be much help.
The suggestions on what to do almost entirely depended on using
prescription medicines and synthetic vitamin supplements. I have
found that in my own case, I don't respond to these, or when I
do, the reaction is negative. So I mostly use food-based, more
natural supplements, which have turned out to work much better
for me.

Marc

> Hi. I have NOT had mine removed as I have heard of people who have got
> worse as a result.

I'm sure that some people DO get worse from having their fillings
removed.
Taking the fillings out DOES expose one to a lot of mercury during the
procedure, and no amount of precautions can prevent some exposure. But
if people take antioxidants and other stuff to neutralize the mercury
and get it out of your body, they should be okay (and even improved!)

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > (i have 2 fillings, one big, one small)
>
> That's not very many! I had 20 mercury fillings at one time.
> Now I have none.
>
> Marc


Phase 2 is of course to have something to replace the mercury amalgam.
AND plastic might not be very good. Oh well... diverting from the
main topic, but yes I agree all weakness induce more sensitivity to RF.

By the way, is there a yahoo group about mercury fillings ?

jean.

> By the way, is there a yahoo group about mercury fillings ?

I think there are a couple -- do a search on mercury poisoning
or autism in YahooGroups.

That said, I'm not sure if there are mercury poisoning worth
recommending -- one of them is run by Andy Cutler, who will
insult anyone who is not using his protocol, and claim that
all of the competing products are "scams". I'm a subscriber
to another group off Yahoo called [hidden email], but
this group has no moderator at all, and the list participants
regularly get into arguments about American politics! :-(

Marc

The AIOMT underline the importance of aspire also BEHIND the rubber dam
because the vapors pass through

Daniele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] mercury fillings

Hi Marc!

Its a great great list you have started!

> That said, I'm not sure if there are mercury poisoning worth
> recommending -- one of them is run by Andy Cutler, who will
> insult anyone who is not using his protocol, and claim that
> all of the competing products are "scams".

Have you tried some of the "scams" ? If you have, please tell all
about it, or refer to an old posting. Btw, Cutler dont rule ot that
Chlorella + Choriander with a correct protocol could work. But he
doesnt recommend it because its not proven to work. The thing to
avoid is mobilizing and redistributing mercury, thats why the
protocol is important. Even Klinghardt says that to little Chlorella
would be harmful - the redistribution again.. I got the tip about
Cutler from a guy up northern sweden and he is now well after a few
years being bedridden. His mother-in-law insisted that he remove his
amalgam! She even paid for it. Then he was done for. So there seem
to be exceptions never to look a gift horse in the mouth!!! :-P

Roger

> Have you tried some of the "scams" ?

I have tried many of the mercury chelators that the so-called
experts called scams, and from my viewpoint they do provoke
the same type of mercury mobilization and excretion reactions
that the prescription chelators do. I've tried NDF, PCA-Rx,
Mercury Magnet, Natures Balance Chlorella, Dragon's River
Cilantro Tincture, Seagreens, Modifilan, CLNZ, activated
charcoal, hydrated bentonite, Microhydrin, and probably
some others that I've forgotten about.

I think my ES is mostly due to heavy metals being mobilized
when I'm exposed to certain types of electromagnetic fields,
so taking a chelator that mobilizes more metals simply makes
my ES symptoms worse. For me, the items which help bind to
metals already mobilized into the bloodstream and gets them
out of my system seems to provide the most immediate and
obvious improvement.

Of the list above, I've taken a lot of Microhydrin (now
called Megahydrin), NDF, and CLNZ, and have dabbled a
little with the others. Right now, I'm mostly experimenting
with Mercury Magnet and Activated Charcoal, which are
both advertised as being binders but not mobilizers. Both
provoke pains in my head and feet, which seems rather
odd for something that's supposed to stay in the gut,
I suppose there could be some indirect detox due to
cleaning up the bloodstream.

In general, I have found chlorella (any brand) makes my
ES much worse. I know that Dr. Klinghardt wants people
to take massive doses of Nature's Balance chlorella so
that it binds more than it mobilizes, but I find that
I'm intolerant to large doses of *any* chelator -- even
now, 4 years after all of the metals have been removed
from my mouth. I think this may be due to nervous
system damage, which is why I've also been experimenting
with fatty acids (coconut oil, evening primrose oil,
borage oil -- and next up, egg yolks)

Marc

Hi Marc!

RGO - You know, we are just making this up! Or so I was told by the
chief editor in a two page article in the latest leading magazine
for swedish physicians. Yeah, doctors are doctors, no help there. It
wouldnt be worth mentioning if it wasn't for one thing. What annoyed
this paid off gangster was 1) the thought that amalgam was dangerous
and 2) that ES existed. All in one sentence! With a little
imagination you get first the cause and then the effect..

> I have tried many of the mercury chelators that the so-called
> experts called scams, and from my viewpoint they do provoke
> the same type of mercury mobilization and excretion reactions
> that the prescription chelators do. I've tried NDF, PCA-Rx,
> Mercury Magnet, Natures Balance Chlorella, Dragon's River
> Cilantro Tincture, Seagreens, Modifilan, CLNZ, activated
> charcoal, hydrated bentonite, Microhydrin

RGO - Thats a lot! How was the Bentonite? How long did you use it?

> I think my ES is mostly due to heavy metals being mobilized
> when I'm exposed to certain types of electromagnetic fields,

RGO - Thats exactly what I think too!

Prof. Boyd haley, biochemist has shown how mercury damages the blood
brain barrier and get into the brain. I believe it is when mercury
gets there that you get ES. Possibly in combination with some other
xenobiotic. As mercury can get intracellular, so can other bad stuff.

> so taking a chelator that mobilizes more metals simply makes
> my ES symptoms worse.

RGO - When I expose myself too long a time to the computer I get
headache and a high pitched tone in my head. Its very unpleasant. If
I start a cycle of DMSA/ALA these symptoms disappear in a few hours.
For each cycle I tolerate the computer for longer and longer
periods.

> For me, the items which help bind to
> metals already mobilized into the bloodstream and gets them
> out of my system seems to provide the most immediate and
> obvious improvement.

RGO - I believe too that the body will clear out the mercury in a
few years with correct nutrition. The real challenge I see is the
brain. Mercury is supposed to have a halflife of 25 years in the
brain. So how do we help it cross the bloodbrain barrier and get
out? As you know now, I'm following the ALA lead with much progress
so far. Still I'm very interested in other ways, and healing
components too, since I noticed taking Essential Fatty Acids further
increased my resistance to electropollution.

> Of the list above, I've taken a lot of Microhydrin (now
> called Megahydrin), NDF, and CLNZ, and have dabbled a
> little with the others.

RGO - I haven't tried any of those. Before what I do now I tried
homeopathic mercury, MSM, Chlorella and Choriander. And some sort of
chalk, the chalk helped the most. But then I became a Cutler
disciple..

> Right now, I'm mostly experimenting
> with Mercury Magnet and Activated Charcoal

RGO - They dissected the intestines of a man who had removed his
amalgams 15 years before he died. He still had loads of mercury in
the intestines.

> Both provoke pains in my head and feet, which seems rather
> odd for something that's supposed to stay in the gut,
> I suppose there could be some indirect detox due to
> cleaning up the bloodstream.

RGO - I have taken activated charcoal but didnt get headache, maybe
you are drinking too little water? Lots of water eases headache. I
drink about 1.5-2 litres a day. (Not chlorinated)

> In general, I have found chlorella (any brand) makes my
> ES much worse. I know that Dr. Klinghardt wants people
> to take massive doses of Nature's Balance chlorella so
> that it binds more than it mobilizes, but I find that
> I'm intolerant to large doses of *any* chelator --

RGO - I dont believe that method keep mercury from wandering into
the brain.. I did Chlorella + Choriander for three weeks and got
more ES from it. But what I would like to know is what effect
Choriander in combination with ALA/DMSA/Charcoal has. But I wouldnt
try it, not yet. Maybe in a year, when there is less mercury left.

> even now, 4 years after all of the metals have been removed
> from my mouth. I think this may be due to nervous
> system damage, which is why I've also been experimenting
> with fatty acids (coconut oil, evening primrose oil,
> borage oil -- and next up, egg yolks)

RGO - Check up phosphatidyl choline if you havent already.

Roger

> RGO - Thats a lot! How was the Bentonite? How long did you use it?

I used bentonite for many months back in 2001, which was before
I got my fillings removed. The brand name was "Arise & Shine",
and I mixed it with psyllium. Frankly, it didn't seem to do
much. I've even tried some more recently and it still didn't
seem to do much. I have a much stronger reaction to the
activated charcoal, and in much smaller amounts.

I also tried a clay product called "Terramin", but this caused
me to become a bit agitated, so I stopped taking it pretty
quickly.

> RGO - When I expose myself too long a time to the computer I get
> headache and a high pitched tone in my head. Its very unpleasant. If
> I start a cycle of DMSA/ALA these symptoms disappear in a few hours.
> For each cycle I tolerate the computer for longer and longer
> periods.

I seem to recall that NDF actually helped my ES symptoms, but I
wondered if it was the alcohol content or the probiotic content.
Probiotics help me extend my computer usage. I used to use the
kind that required refrigeration, but I've found that "Primal
Defense" (which doesn't require refrigeration) works just fine
for me. That is, after they changed one of minor ingredients
from chlorella to barley grass (I couldn't stand it when it
contained chlorella).

> Mercury is supposed to have a halflife of 25 years in the
> brain. So how do we help it cross the bloodbrain barrier and get
> out?

Well, as you've already pointed out, EMF damages the blood
brain barrier, so I don't think there is any trouble for
things to cross the barrier for folks with ES.

> Still I'm very interested in other ways, and healing
> components too, since I noticed taking Essential Fatty Acids further
> increased my resistance to electropollution.

Any specific essential fatty acids? I find that things which
contain GLA (evening primrose oil, oatmeal, borage oil) help
my ES. I have not noticed any difference from taking omega-3
fatty acids (flax seed oil) however. I have not experimented
with fish oil...

> RGO - I haven't tried any of those. Before what I do now I tried
> homeopathic mercury, MSM, Chlorella and Choriander.

Oh, I also tried oral Calcium EDTA. I didn't like it.

> RGO - I have taken activated charcoal but didnt get headache, maybe
> you are drinking too little water?

I found that in my early doses of charcoal, that it made me
extremely dehydrated. This doesn't seem to be happening
anymore, but I have also cut by dosage way back.

> RGO - Check up phosphatidyl choline if you havent already.

I've seen that for sale, but since I'm currently experimenting
with 3 kinds of inositol / choline, I think anything else
will have to wait (I think I'm experimenting with too many
things in parallel right now...)

Marc

> Any specific essential fatty acids? I find that things which
> contain GLA (evening primrose oil, oatmeal, borage oil) help
> my ES. I have not noticed any difference from taking omega-3
> fatty acids (flax seed oil) however. I have not experimented
> with fish oil...

RGO - I have kind of neglected EFA's until recently. Now I know they
are required not only for repair but for the bodys detox system. I
gonna read up on them some more. Anyways, lacking more knowledge I
began to take (2-3 times a day after a meal) 1 teaspoon each of
linseed oil, borage oil, fishoil and olive oil. Within a week I was
more energetic and resistant to EMF. I think vit E is a very good
supplement together with the oils.

Roger

Hi - this is almost a year old, but I had 20 amalgam fillings replaced
with white composite and am feeling much better.. my mouth used to
salivate when I drove past Wireless Mobile towers! - not any more.. I
am also much less prone to hyper-type activity. Get the book - Root
Canal Cover up from Amazon - its amazing what root canals can do to you
- in some cases worse than mercury...

All the best,
Pete

Ellen Hellingwerf wrote:

I had all my fillings taken out a few years ago. I am definitely glad I did it but I wish I knew then what I know now. Do a google search on gold salts and mercury. I would have had more gold crowns put in instead of plastic composite. I had a gold crown put in recently and I felt better just as soon as it was put in. And it wasn't because of a shot or laughing gas. There was none used when they put it in. Supposedly, some person cured himself of autism by taking gold salts. I'm just trying to get the gold vapor. The claim is that it separates the mercury from enzymes that it has bound itself to allowing the enzymes to function again. I would also join the frequent dose chelation yahoo group and do the Andy Cutler method. Unlike others in the group I do use oil of cilantro and an infra red sauna. But it is the alpha lipoic acid that has done the most for my brain. But you have to do it according to that protocol.
----- Original Message -----
From: pete
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] mercury fillings


Hi - this is almost a year old, but I had 20 amalgam fillings replaced
with white composite and am feeling much better.. my mouth used to
salivate when I drove past Wireless Mobile towers! - not any more.. I
am also much less prone to hyper-type activity. Get the book - Root
Canal Cover up from Amazon - its amazing what root canals can do to you
- in some cases worse than mercury...

All the best,
Pete

Ellen Hellingwerf wrote:




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,

does anybody know the german meaning of white composite. I did not
find it in a big dictionary.

Randolf Weinand

--- In [hidden email], pete <peter.needham@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - this is almost a year old, but I had 20 amalgam fillings
replaced
> with white composite and am feeling much better.. my mouth used to
> salivate when I drove past Wireless Mobile towers! - not any
more.. I
> am also much less prone to hyper-type activity. Get the book -
Root
> Canal Cover up from Amazon - its amazing what root canals can do
to you (had nine_ the first with anast.... the next without and no pain,
then they were not so deep and i had just experienced such pain that
any pain really could not top that.
> >  
> > At the time i did not know about any danger of mercury filling
removal. was following my intuition and think licorice and himalayan
rock salt, (or not knowing about these dangers) prevented any any
problems. I only felt better. The experience i had before was
probably more extreme than most here and there was a lot of pain
stemming from the fillings as if they were an antenna for bad
energies. There is the option of demagnetising your fillings as
well, just to throw that in. A lil' fact though if you have more
than four fillings you cannot spit in the toilet legally (the amount
of mercury is greater than you in an other circumstance could
dispose off..)
> >  
> >  
> > In everything you do, follow your intuition. This tactics has
found me the answers, supplements, healers and reading material to
bring me to almost symtom free!1
> >  
> > Love and Light
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> > canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:
> > i am sure this has been a recurring topic, but please bear with
me.
> >
> > 1) Should i have my fillings removed?  
> > 2) Have you all had your fillings removed?
> > 3) Everyone who HAS had their fillings removed - was it worth
it? If
> > you could go back in time would you go through it again? Is it
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