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Andrew McAfee

magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

Today I tested a Saturn SUV hybrid, a Toyota Camry hybrid, Honda Accord
and Civic Hybrid and an Accord TL with my TriField 100 XE meter.

They all tested much higher than regular cars. I found that at the feet
the magnetic fields between 35-75 mG. In the back seat from 10-25 mG
around the batteries and in the air at head height about 8 mG.

The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

That's it for now.
Andrew

Marc Martin

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.

Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a
hybrid Honda Civic?

Marc

Vinny Pinto

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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Hi Andrew and folks:

Just a few brief notes, offered largely from the perspective of my
engineering and scientific background:

The Trifield 100 XE meter is an AC meter, and, when measuring
magnetic fields, while its range does extend down to about 5 hz (with
10X reduced sensitivity, however, compared to its sensitivity at 1
kHz), it largely does not detect magnetic fields in the range below 4
Hz, and has zero response to DC magnetic fields. In any electric car,
DC magnetic fields and extremely low frequency magnetic fields may
well be the predominant types of magnetic field present, and thus the
Trifield 100 XE, since it largely ignores such fields, will yield a
number which might appear misleadlingly low unless the readings from
a DC gaussmeter were considered as well, or better, the readings from
a DC gaussmeter plus an ELF gaussmeter covering the range of 0.1 Hz
to 5 Hz (the latter is quite a rare bird!)

with care,
--Vinny

At 09:41 PM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

>Today I tested a Saturn SUV hybrid, a Toyota Camry hybrid, Honda Accord
>and Civic Hybrid and an Accord TL with my TriField 100 XE meter.
>
>They all tested much higher than regular cars. I found that at the feet
>the magnetic fields between 35-75 mG. In the back seat from 10-25 mG
>around the batteries and in the air at head height about 8 mG.
>
>The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.
>
>That's it for now.
>Andrew
>
>
>
>

Vinny Pinto
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PUK

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a car or
what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have said before
I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag fairly
basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but if I get into
my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to a quibbling wreck
within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at head level
near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such a nice car
to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?
I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my fathers
Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat, it
definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like butterflies but minus
the phychology almost induced ?

thanks

Paul

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Vinny Pinto

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

Hi Paul:

In reply to your question below: You may wish to re-read my letter. I
am not saying that the magnetic field readings within the cars
yielded by the Trivield 100 EX are useless, but rather - much as both
Charles and I have ofen repeated on this forum about readings from
general purpose meters -- will simply give too low an indication of
the true levels of magnetic fields, since the predominant fields will
be DC and in the range of 0.01 to 4 Hz, which the meter largely ignores.

with care,
--Vinny

At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, you wrote:

>So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a car or
>what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have
>said before
>I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag fairly
>basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but
>if I get into
>my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to
>a quibbling wreck
>within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at head level
>near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such
>a nice car
>to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?
>I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my fathers
>Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat, it
>definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like
>butterflies but minus
>the phychology almost induced ?
>
>thanks
>
>Paul
>
>

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Andrew McAfee

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic
hybrid.

Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty
good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the
passenger side floor.
It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is not
promising.
Andrew
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.
>
> Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a
> hybrid Honda Civic?
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> Marc
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Andrew McAfee

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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So things can be much worse than the 100XE portrays, is the way I read
this.
At least it is a start for comparisons sake.
Andrew
On Oct 4, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Vinny Pinto wrote:

> Hi Paul:
>
> In reply to your question below: You may wish to re-read my letter. I
> am not saying that the magnetic field readings within the cars
> yielded by the Trivield 100 EX are useless, but rather - much as both
> Charles and I have ofen repeated on this forum about readings from
> general purpose meters -- will simply give too low an indication of
> the true levels of magnetic fields, since the predominant fields will
> be DC and in the range of 0.01 to 4 Hz, which the meter largely
> ignores.
>
> with care,
> --Vinny
>
> At 03:08 PM 10/4/2006, you wrote:
>> So what are you saying is the Trifeild totally inacurate to use on a
>> car or
>> what. It certainly shows the difference between cars. As I have
>> said before
>> I am reasonably ok in a 1999 petrol fiat punto 1.2sx no air bag
>> fairly
>> basic (apart from poor seating which is a pain in the neck !) but
>> if I get into
>> my wifes Petrol 2.0ltr Renault Scenic 2002 it reduces me to
>> a quibbling wreck
>> within 15mins journey time. My Trifeild measures off thescale at
>> head level
>> near sunroof switches and alarm sensors !! Help because it is such
>> a nice car
>> to drive. ps what is it about air bags ?
>> I would love a new car but Iam scared at making wrong move. Evan my
>> fathers
>> Rover 1.4 yr2002 is better than the reanualt but worse than the fiat,
>> it
>> definately gives me a sensation in my abdomen almost like
>> butterflies but minus
>> the phychology almost induced ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
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> Vinny Pinto
> [hidden email]
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> phone 301-694-1249
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> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Ian Kemp

RE: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

Much as we would all like to be green, the implication definitely seems to
be that ES people should stick to gas guzzling conventional cars... (or, at
least, economical ones)
Ian

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Andrew McAfee
Sent: 04 October 2006 23:06
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic
hybrid.

Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty
good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the
passenger side floor.
It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is not
promising.
Andrew
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> The best cars so far are the Honda Civic and CRV.
>
> Is that a regular Honda Civic (non-hybrid), or a
> hybrid Honda Civic?
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

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PUK

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

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OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?

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Vinny Pinto

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

Hi Paul:

If you will recall from past posts, the fact is, as several of us
have discussed here in the past, that there IS no one meter which
measures all these things plus the other fields which are being
neglected. Rather, at current state of the art, it would take
employing a combination of at least several meters, and even then,
the portrait would be incomplete.

with care,
--Vinny

At 03:32 PM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
>OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?
>
>

Vinny Pinto
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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
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charles-4

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

That is right.

I own many, many meters and antennas.
But that is not enough for measuring all.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinny Pinto" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 22:30
Subject: Re: [eSens] magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

> Hi Paul:
>
> If you will recall from past posts, the fact is, as several of us
> have discussed here in the past, that there IS no one meter which
> measures all these things plus the other fields which are being
> neglected. Rather, at current state of the art, it would take
> employing a combination of at least several meters, and even then,
> the portrait would be incomplete.
>
> with care,
> --Vinny
>
> At 03:32 PM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
>>OK - where`s the meter that does the lot ?
>>
>>
>
>
> Vinny Pinto
> [hidden email]
>
> phone 301-694-1249
>
> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
>

snoshoe_2

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

Well, Charles, I think you are the man to design one! :)

If your dad could make that cool dental gadget, then you got
it in you to do the same.

Really though, I do think it is possible to make a more inclusive
multimeter than what is already available. Price would probably have
it out of most of our reach, just like some of the better ones
already, but then calculators were an awful lot when they came out
too.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> That is right.
>
> I own many, many meters and antennas.
> But that is not enough for measuring all.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
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>

snoshoe_2

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

Just wondering, do you know how that compares with say your nonhybrid
vehicles?

Does anyone else remember 20 some years ago when they were talking
about making these cars, and they didn't get very far with the public
market, because it was brought out about the electrosmog problems
they produced?

Several years back when Ford was starting to make one of these again,
I wrote them and asked what had been changed since that point in time
to reduce or sheild people against the emf fields. I never got a
reply.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> The good reading was the regular Civic. The bad were in the Civic
> hybrid.
>
> Today I drove a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and it actually had pretty
> good readings up front, great in the back and not great on the
> passenger side floor.
> It is the first Hybrid that was actually promising. The price is
not
> promising.
> Andrew

charles-4

Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

Hello Snoshoe,

why inventing the wheel again, when we have perfect round wheels?

I have a 3D Tesla merter which runs from 16 Hz to 1.000 Hz.
(In Germany the trains rin on16.7 Hz, so that's why the 16 Hz)
I also have a 1 D meter which goes from 5 Hz to 400 kHz (according the TCO
norms)

For static magnetic fields I use a compass and a simple Magnetometer, which
I can reset to Zero, because inside houses measuring is complicated by many
metals things, which influence measuring.
There are also nice 3D magnetometers, but they cost about 5.000 $.

And with cars, don't underestimate the magnetic (AC) fields in the tyres!
Crick the car up, turn the wheel and hold the meter close to the surface of
the rubber tyre.
Demagnetisize will help.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "snoshoe_2" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 18:18
Subject: [eSens] Re: magnetic fields in Hybrid cars

> Well, Charles, I think you are the man to design one! :)
>
> If your dad could make that cool dental gadget, then you got
> it in you to do the same.
>
> Really though, I do think it is possible to make a more inclusive
> multimeter than what is already available. Price would probably have
> it out of most of our reach, just like some of the better ones
> already, but then calculators were an awful lot when they came out
> too.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> That is right.
>>
>> I own many, many meters and antennas.
>> But that is not enough for measuring all.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>>