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Daniele

Re: Power lines - Lachlan

Lachlan,

Yes 180 KiloVolt!

Rarely I found any electric field using my trifield meter (a little
just over the laptop)

However my House (I am not be there anymore, only my mother) is a
STRANGE building. It is 8 floor completely in reinforced concrete (I
mean also walls are in concrete with steel wiring inside).

So I presume this is a Faraday cage and ELECTRIC field are shilded

You say
household wiring
Why?

The power line is the simple type with total 3 wires distanced and I
measured it in spring at 15,00 PM and in winter in a foggy day where
the wires sound "fried" . (more or less the same value)

Daniele
www.amalgama.too.it

--- In [hidden email], Lachlan Mudge <Lachlan.Mudge@u...>
wrote:
> Did you mean 180kiloVolt? Assuming your house had a metal roof,
very low or
> zero electric field would be expected, though what about the
electric fields
> from your household wiring (do you know why your meter didn't pick
these up?).
> As for the magnetic fields measures, I have also measured similar
field
> strengths underneath high voltage power lines. The field strength
will be very
> different depending on when you make your measurements, for
example in
> Australia, at about 6:00pm during the hottest time of year (when
the highest
> power consumption is recorded due to air-conditioners being
switched on), the
> field strength can be MANY times higher than it was during the
middle of a day
> with moderate weather (when fewer air-conditioners are being
used). As you
> probably know, magnetic field strength at a location is directly
determined by
> the amount of electrical current flowing through the power line.
Also, some
> power lines are arranged so that a large amount of the magnetic
fields from

> each wire is cancelled out by that from each other wire.
> Lachlan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniele [mailto:softnet.dg@l...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 5:02 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
>
> You say:
>
> I would add though that the effect you experience also depend
> heavily on which aspect of EMF affects you. It could be the

electric field,
> the magnetic field, a combination of both or even some other
aspect of the
> electromagnetic phenomena, though we were only speaking of those
things we can
> measure.
>
> I lived 20 years under a 180 Kw power lines. In my room I measured
1-2

> milligaus of MAGNETIC field and apparently no electrical field.
>
> Daniele
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lachlan Mudge
> To: '[hidden email]'
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Power lines
>
>
> I agree with Charles and would add as explanation that the EMF

associated
> with
> any current carrying conductor depends on the distance you are
from the
> conductor but is also heavily dependant on the magnetic
permeability and
> electrical conductivity of the substance (e.g. air or soil) that
separates
> you
> from the conductor. Soil has a higher magnetic permeability
than air,
> therefore more of the magnetic field is 'absorbed' by the soil,
leaving less
> to
> travel through your body. Soil is also a reasonably good
electrical
> conductor,
> especially if it is wet, and generally all of the electric field
associated
> with the wire will be 'absorbed' by the soil. Therefore, even
though an
> underground power line is likely to be closer to your body, the
EM fields
> associated with this wire are likely to be lower, in comparison
to a similar
> overhead wire. I would add though that the effect you
experience also depend
> heavily on which aspect of EMF affects you. It could be the
electric field,
> the magnetic field, a combination of both or even some other
aspect of the
> electromagnetic phenomena, though we were only speaking of those
things we

> can
> measure. I hope this helps
>
> Lachlan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles [mailto:charles@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 6:33 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
>
> Daniele
>
> In answer to your question:
> *Anybody know if 'UNDER GROUND" power lines have less EMF

then 'AIR' ones*
> I answered with Yes.
> I do know, and underground they emit less EMF.
>
> I suppose you are a woman.
> If I look at you lying in bath, I can see more, than when I see
you walking
> on the streets (normally I think.
>
> The same goes for cable.
> When they hang in the fresh air, they are naked. Stark naked.
> But when they lie under the ground, they are insulated. Heavily.
>
> When cables hang solo, they emit more radiation, then when they
hang

> together with for instance with three.
> Look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112c.html
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniele" <softnet.dg@l...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 22:47
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
>
>
> >
> > Charles,
> > why you respond Yes?
> >
> > My doubt is :
> > Distance from cables should be the sole solution to avoid EMF

and 'UNDER

> GROUND cable, I think, are putted some meters down, not more ?!?
> >
> > Daniele
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniele" <softnet.dg@l...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 22:36
> > Subject: [eSens] Power lines
> >
> >
> > > Anybody know if 'UNDER GROUND" power lines have less EMF

then 'AIR'

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Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan

This post was updated on .

In reply to this post by Daniele

Anytime!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachlan Mudge" <Lachlan.Mudge@unisa.edu.au>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan

> Maureen
> My answer to your question would be that the reading should be as low as
you
> can possibly get it within your means (e.g. financial, technical, etc.),
and
> the ways to achieve this are firstly to turn off all unnecessary
electrical
> appliances at the switch on the wall (not just with the remote) whenever
> possible (using timer switches is a cheap and effective method for some
> things), secondly replace electrical appliances with different types where
> possible (e.g. gas space heating and gas water heating, instead of
electric)
> and finally, if once you've done this you feel the fields in your home are
> still too high, then take the more expensive measures of shielding the
> appliances in your home responsible for the highest contribution to your
> readings (your meter will tell you this though it's best to take a reading
for
> one appliance with EVERYTHING else in the house switched off, including
> electric water heaters and refrigerators or you may get a false reading).
It's
> also probably best to first take a reading at a number of points in your
house
> with your main electrical power switch (in the meter box) switched off, to
tell
> you exactly how much of the EMF in your home comes from external sources,
such
> as power lines. I hope this makes sense but let me know if not
> Lachlan
>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beau" <netfarer2@yahoo.com>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:45 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan
>
>
> > Hi Danielle,
> >
> > Even though your TriField meter is calibrated to 50 Hz, it does
> > measure and include contributions from other frequencies in the
> > reading. Most TriField meters are frequency-weighted to indicate the
> > total current-producing effect inside a conductive mass (like our
> > bodies) of all the impinging frequencies within a meter's sensitivity
> > range. Since your meter is calibrated to 50 Hz, EM fields at 50 Hz
> > are shown at their actual strength. Other frequencies are weighted
> > with respect to 50 Hz.
> >
> > To a good approximation, the current density produced at a location
> > within a conductive body is proportional to both the magnetic field's
> > frequency and flux density ("strength"), for frequencies below 10 MHz.
> > [See Foster, Kenneth R., (1999); "Setting Limits for Electromagnetic
> > Field Exposures: Scaling Considerations Based on Mechanisms"]. This
> > means that a 100 Hz component will cause twice the induced current
> > density of a 50 Hz component of the same strength.
> >
> > For example, say you're in a magnetic field which is composed of two
> > frequencies, one component at 50 Hz with a strength of 1 mG and the
> > other component at 100 Hz also with a strength of 1 mG. The total
> > induced current density at some point within your body is the sum of
> > the effects of the two components. The 100 Hz component would cause
> > twice the current density of the 50 Hz component, making the total
> > current density the same as if you were exposed to a 50 Hz field of 3
> > mG (1 + 2). 3 mG is the reading you would get on your TriField meter.
> >
> > That said, experiments done by Drs. Smith, Rea, Munro, et al., show ES
> > reactions are strongly frequency dependent. Which frequencies a
> > person is sensitive to also varies by individual. And the
> > reaction-causing frequencies tend to appear with logarithmic spacing,
> > with little or no reaction to frequencies in between them. I'm not
> > sure if experiments were done where people were exposed to multiple
> > frequencies at once so I can't say what is known about combinational
> > EM effects. So I question whether the summing of current density
> > effects done by the TriField gives an accurate assessment of an ES
> > person's response to an EM field. The TriField does give a good
> > measure of a bulk bioelectomagnetic effect, though, which is a good
> > starting point.
> >
> > Beau

Emil at Less EMF Inc

Re: Power lines

In reply to this post by Charles-3

Another explanation is that when the cable are bundled tightly
(underground), there is more cancellation of the fields than when the
cables are separated (as they are overhead).

Soil does not have much better shielding (magnetic permeabilty is similar,
maybe only slightly better) than air. However, if the underground cable are
inside ferrous conduit, the conduit will provide some degree of magnetic
shielding. The soil and/or ferrous conduit will provide significant
electric field shield.

However, this is offset because cables may be buried only 1 meter
underground, whereas they may be 10 or more meters overhead. So you end up
closer to underground cables.

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.

At 11:03 PM 8/24/2004, you wrote:

>Daniele
>
>In answer to your question:
>*Anybody know if 'UNDER GROUND" power lines have less EMF then 'AIR' ones*
>I answered with Yes.
>I do know, and underground they emit less EMF.
>
>I suppose you are a woman.
>If I look at you lying in bath, I can see more, than when I see you walking
>on the streets (normally I think.
>
>The same goes for cable.
>When they hang in the fresh air, they are naked. Stark naked.
>But when they lie under the ground, they are insulated. Heavily.
>
>When cables hang solo, they emit more radiation, then when they hang
>together with for instance with three.
>Look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112c.html
>
>Greetings,
>Charles Claessens
>member Verband Baubiologie
>www.milieuziektes.nl
>checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniele" <[hidden email]>
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 22:47
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
>
>
> >
> > Charles,
> > why you respond Yes?
> >
> > My doubt is :
> > Distance from cables should be the sole solution to avoid EMF and 'UNDER
>GROUND cable, I think, are putted some meters down, not more ?!?
> >
> > Daniele
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniele" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 22:36
> > Subject: [eSens] Power lines
> >
> >
> > > Anybody know if 'UNDER GROUND" power lines have less EMF then 'AIR'
>ones.
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> > >
> > > Daniele
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Drasko Cvijovic

Re: little pool

In reply to this post by Daniele

How long to recover. Depends on how badly exposed, and on the general
condition (as everybody agrees). Varies from dozen of minutes to up to the
next morning. Dawn regularly gives me great relief, especially if being
awake.
Alsdo, it's very different if you try to recover at a completely clean than
at a just less polluted place!

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "dudos999" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: [eSens] little pool

> a little pool for everyone:
>
> how much time you need to take to recover from EMF exposure?
>
> Daniele
>
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Daniele

Re: little pool

thank you Drasko,
I dawn regurarly and sleep max 7 hours with relief but it is because my adrenals do not function well and they definitively stop if I make sleep them too much.

Daniele
www.amalgama.too.it

----- Original Message -----
From: Drasko Cvijovic
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] little pool

How long to recover. Depends on how badly exposed, and on the general
condition (as everybody agrees). Varies from dozen of minutes to up to the
next morning. Dawn regularly gives me great relief, especially if being
awake.
Alsdo, it's very different if you try to recover at a completely clean than
at a just less polluted place!

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "dudos999" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: [eSens] little pool

> a little pool for everyone:
>
> how much time you need to take to recover from EMF exposure?
>
> Daniele
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Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan

In reply to this post by bbin37

Hi Beau,

" That said, experiments done by Drs. Smith, Rea, Munro, et al., show ES
reactions are strongly frequency dependent."

Any ideas where I might get hold of that literature?

Cheers
Pete

Beau wrote:

> Hi Danielle,
>
> Even though your TriField meter is calibrated to 50 Hz, it does
> measure and include contributions from other frequencies in the
> reading. Most TriField meters are frequency-weighted to indicate the
> total current-producing effect inside a conductive mass (like our
> bodies) of all the impinging frequencies within a meter's sensitivity
> range. Since your meter is calibrated to 50 Hz, EM fields at 50 Hz
> are shown at their actual strength. Other frequencies are weighted
> with respect to 50 Hz.
>
> To a good approximation, the current density produced at a location
> within a conductive body is proportional to both the magnetic field's
> frequency and flux density ("strength"), for frequencies below 10 MHz.
> [See Foster, Kenneth R., (1999); "Setting Limits for Electromagnetic
> Field Exposures: Scaling Considerations Based on Mechanisms"]. This
> means that a 100 Hz component will cause twice the induced current
> density of a 50 Hz component of the same strength.
>
> For example, say you're in a magnetic field which is composed of two
> frequencies, one component at 50 Hz with a strength of 1 mG and the
> other component at 100 Hz also with a strength of 1 mG. The total
> induced current density at some point within your body is the sum of
> the effects of the two components. The 100 Hz component would cause
> twice the current density of the 50 Hz component, making the total
> current density the same as if you were exposed to a 50 Hz field of 3
> mG (1 + 2). 3 mG is the reading you would get on your TriField meter.
>
> That said, experiments done by Drs. Smith, Rea, Munro, et al., show ES
> reactions are strongly frequency dependent. Which frequencies a
> person is sensitive to also varies by individual. And the
> reaction-causing frequencies tend to appear with logarithmic spacing,
> with little or no reaction to frequencies in between them. I'm not
> sure if experiments were done where people were exposed to multiple
> frequencies at once so I can't say what is known about combinational
> EM effects. So I question whether the summing of current density
> effects done by the TriField gives an accurate assessment of an ES
> person's response to an EM field. The TriField does give a good
> measure of a bulk bioelectomagnetic effect, though, which is a good
> starting point.
>
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Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan

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HI Charles,

" The same goes for automobiles.
There, it is also important where the electrical parts (generator and
distributor) are placed according to the place of the driver.
When they are placed too close to the driver, enormous magnetic field may
occur.

And that is why electrosensibles go awol."

You mean Road Rage....!!!

Cheers
Pete

Charles wrote:

> Hello,
>
> personally, I do not like the TriField meter.
> And I do not know if he is calibrated for 50 Hz. Why should it?
>
> A good low frequency meter measures from 5Hz or from 16 Hz up to 100 kHz,
> and some special ones up to 400 kHz (in order to comply with the TCO
> norm. I
> are writing an article about that for the next *het bitje*) because there
> are other complementary frequencies what the Germans call *Oberwellen*
> involved.
> Of course a scooter does not work with 50 Hz, because it has an accu or
> battery with DC.
> But you should measure the magnetic field.
> You should measure it when the scooter is off.
> And then when the motor is running.
>
> The same goes for automobiles.
> There, it is also important where the electrical parts (generator and
> distributor) are placed according to the place of the driver.
> When they are placed too close to the driver, enormous magnetic field may
> occur.
>
> And that is why electrosensibles go awol.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 09:26
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Frequency meter - Lachlan
>
>
> > Hi Daniele
> > I would suggest that your scooters electrical system would almost
> definitely
> > not operate at 50Hz, though I have no idea at what frequency it would
> operate.
> > I assume it is a DC based system but alternating current is likely to be
> > produced internally and the frequencies generated night also vary
> depending on
> > the speed of the motor (any electrical engineers out there?). There are
> very
> > few meters that will give you the full picture and are affordable, but
> maybe
> > one of the more alternative diagnostic treatments, such as
> electro-acupuncture
> > (EAV) might give you some answers by telling you which electrical
> frequencies
> > your body is picking up from the scooter. I know nothing about these
> though.
> > Not sure if this is any help at all but I wish you luck
> > Lachlan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniele [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 4:49 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [eSens] Frequency meter - Lachlan
> >
> >
> > Hi Lachlan,
> >
> > Why you're saying that?
> > My trifield meter is calibrated for 50 Hz sine waves. Here in Europe I
> suppose
> > everything runs with this frequency ........ mumble mumble .....
> I'm just
> > thinking that EVERYTHING runs WITH HOME ELECTRIC POWER and my
> scooter has
> > indipendent generator ...
> >
> > However, after I use my scooter I'm very exausted (12 hours after).
> >
> > Daniele
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lachlan Mudge
> > To: '[hidden email]'
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:48 AM
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] little pool - Marc
> >
> >
> > Are you sure your trifield meter is designed to measure the
> frequency of
> EMF
> > that is being generated by your scooter? It is easy to get false
> readings
> > using the wrong meter for the job and I think this is possibly true in
> this
> > situation.
> > Lachlan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniele [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 6:05 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] little pool - Marc
> >
> > Marc,
> > 2 days is also my time to recover from EMF exposure.
> > For example, I use external keyboard now when work on my laptop but I
> become
> > very ill (tired and confused) driving my scooter. I checked it
> with the
> > trifield meter and found up to 50-100 milligaus (5.10 tesla) when
> I push
> on
> > the
> > gas ...
> >
> > P.S.
> > What is the right food and supplements?
> >
> > Daniele
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] little pool
> >
> >
> > > [how much time you need to take to recover from EMF exposure?]
> > >
> > > I have only discovered my ES 4 months ago, and have reduced my
> symptoms
> > > by about 50%.
> >
> > I interpreted the original question differently, in that I
> thought it
> > was being asked how long after being exposed to an EMF source
> does it
> > take you to feel better. For example, 3 years ago if I sat in front
> of
> > a
> > laptop computer for a few minutes, it could take me two days to feel
> > better. These days, if I get too much EMF exposure, I usually feel
> > better within minutes of getting away from the EMF source. But
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Re: Frequency meter - Lachlan

No, I mean that they get very sick.
And they are willing to kill everybody in their direct vicinity. ;o))
No Road Rage, they are too sick to drive.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:39
Subject: Re: [eSens] Frequency meter - Lachlan

> HI Charles,
>
> " The same goes for automobiles.
> There, it is also important where the electrical parts (generator and
> distributor) are placed according to the place of the driver.
> When they are placed too close to the driver, enormous magnetic field may
> occur.
>
> And that is why electrosensibles go awol."
>
> You mean Road Rage....!!!
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > personally, I do not like the TriField meter.
> > And I do not know if he is calibrated for 50 Hz. Why should it?
> >
> > A good low frequency meter measures from 5Hz or from 16 Hz up to 100

kHz,
> > and some special ones up to 400 kHz (in order to comply with the TCO
> > norm. I
> > are writing an article about that for the next *het bitje*) because
there

> > are other complementary frequencies what the Germans call *Oberwellen*
> > involved.
> > Of course a scooter does not work with 50 Hz, because it has an accu or
> > battery with DC.
> > But you should measure the magnetic field.
> > You should measure it when the scooter is off.
> > And then when the motor is running.
> >
> > The same goes for automobiles.
> > There, it is also important where the electrical parts (generator and
> > distributor) are placed according to the place of the driver.
> > When they are placed too close to the driver, enormous magnetic field

may

> > occur.
> >
> > And that is why electrosensibles go awol.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 09:26
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] Frequency meter - Lachlan
> >
> >
> > > Hi Daniele
> > > I would suggest that your scooters electrical system would almost
> > definitely
> > > not operate at 50Hz, though I have no idea at what frequency it would
> > operate.
> > > I assume it is a DC based system but alternating current is likely to

be
> > > produced internally and the frequencies generated night also vary
> > depending on
> > > the speed of the motor (any electrical engineers out there?). There
are

> > very
> > > few meters that will give you the full picture and are affordable, but
> > maybe
> > > one of the more alternative diagnostic treatments, such as
> > electro-acupuncture
> > > (EAV) might give you some answers by telling you which electrical
> > frequencies
> > > your body is picking up from the scooter. I know nothing about these
> > though.
> > > Not sure if this is any help at all but I wish you luck
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniele [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 4:49 PM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: [eSens] Frequency meter - Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Lachlan,
> > >
> > > Why you're saying that?
> > > My trifield meter is calibrated for 50 Hz sine waves. Here in Europe I
> > suppose
> > > everything runs with this frequency ........ mumble mumble .....
> > I'm just
> > > thinking that EVERYTHING runs WITH HOME ELECTRIC POWER and my
> > scooter has
> > > indipendent generator ...
> > >
> > > However, after I use my scooter I'm very exausted (12 hours after).
> > >
> > > Daniele
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lachlan Mudge
> > > To: '[hidden email]'
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:48 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [eSens] little pool - Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > Are you sure your trifield meter is designed to measure the
> > frequency of
> > EMF
> > > that is being generated by your scooter? It is easy to get false
> > readings
> > > using the wrong meter for the job and I think this is possibly true

> > this
> > > situation.
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniele [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 6:05 AM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] little pool - Marc
> > >
> > > Marc,
> > > 2 days is also my time to recover from EMF exposure.
> > > For example, I use external keyboard now when work on my laptop but

> > become
> > > very ill (tired and confused) driving my scooter. I checked it
> > with the
> > > trifield meter and found up to 50-100 milligaus (5.10 tesla) when
> > I push
> > on
> > > the
> > > gas ...
> > >
> > > P.S.
> > > What is the right food and supplements?
> > >
> > > Daniele
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Martin
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [eSens] little pool
> > >
> > >
> > > > [how much time you need to take to recover from EMF exposure?]
> > > >
> > > > I have only discovered my ES 4 months ago, and have reduced my
> > symptoms
> > > > by about 50%.
> > >
> > > I interpreted the original question differently, in that I
> > thought it
> > > was being asked how long after being exposed to an EMF source
> > does it
> > > take you to feel better. For example, 3 years ago if I sat in

front
> > of
> > > a
> > > laptop computer for a few minutes, it could take me two days to
feel
> > > better. These days, if I get too much EMF exposure, I usually
feel

> > > better within minutes of getting away from the EMF source. But
> > these
> > > days, I'm "cheating", in that I know the right foods, supplements,
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