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deb3857wick
I work for the Red Cross and we had two blood drives this week. The room had fluorescent lights. My burning and fatigue have been awful since working there. I was wondering if it could be from the lights. What do you guys do when this happens and your symptoms get worse?

Deb

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Marc Martin
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> I work for the Red Cross and we had two blood drives this week. The room
> had fluorescent lights. My burning and fatigue have been awful since
> working there. I was wondering if it could be from the lights. What do
> you guys do when this happens and your symptoms get worse?

I've also got florescent lights at work. Above my desk, I've actually
unscrewed a couple of them (which may not be possible for everyone
to do, but it certainly works!). Failing that, I use items from
Quantum Products. A power strip plugged into a nearby outlet may be
helpful,
and a Quantum Home/Pro helps even more for the really bad cases.
If you cannot plug something into the outlets, then a portable
Quantum Companion in your pocket may help (and two of these would
help even more).

I've tried a lot of EMF protection devices, and not very many have
proven to be useful for a room full of florescent lights.
Quantum Products are one of the few things that work for me. Of
course, everyone is different, and what worked for me may not
work for you, and what didn't work for me might work for you.

I can't think of too many foods/supplements that are very helpful
(to me) for florescent lights. Mega-H powder, Amrit, eggs,
avocado all help a little, but not enough to make a huge
difference.

Marc

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johnlankes
It's not the lights that are the problem, but is the EMR-producing
electronic ballast circuitry that's inside the light fixtures.

Interesting that unscrewing the lights stops this. Would that disengage
the ballasts I wonder?

John Lankes


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I've also got florescent lights at work. Above my desk, I've actually
> unscrewed a couple of them (which may not be possible for everyone
> to do, but it certainly works!).  

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RE: fluorescent lights

Ian Kemp
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Deb

If you have ES, then yes, for many people fluorescent lights are a major
trigger of symptoms. (This also applies to low-energy light bulbs which are
basically mini fluorescent tubes in a coil).

As Marc says, finding relief is currently very difficult. One idea that has
been floated recently is that magnesium deficiency is a frequent cause of
myelin sheath problems which can cause ES.

The trouble is that lots of different things seem to work for different
people, and one should really try to find the underlying cause why your
problems have arisen. This is often very difficult. Most sufferers from
severe ES seem to have had either immune system problems (e.g. ME) or
prolonged high exposure to microwaves (including mobile/cordless phones).
Could either of these apply to you?

Best wishes, Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Deb
Comcast
Sent: 23 August 2006 15:21
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] lights



I work for the Red Cross and we had two blood drives this week. The room had
fluorescent lights. My burning and fatigue have been awful since working
there. I was wondering if it could be from the lights. What do you guys do
when this happens and your symptoms get worse?

Deb

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Ian Kemp
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Is it really proven that the circuitry is the problem? It's a likely cause,
but I doubt that it has been systematically investigated in isolation from
other factors. For example, several studies show that ES reactions often
depend on the particular frequency. So the problem with fluorescent lights
(and low energy light bulbs) could be that they produce a wider range of
frequencies than a normal incandescent bulb, including more in the region
which people react to. Powerwatch measured higher RF effects from
fluorescent tubes than standard bulbs.
Ian

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johnlankes
Sent: 24 August 2006 18:17
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: lights



It's not the lights that are the problem, but is the EMR-producing
electronic ballast circuitry that's inside the light fixtures.

Interesting that unscrewing the lights stops this. Would that disengage
the ballasts I wonder?

John Lankes

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I've also got florescent lights at work. Above my desk, I've actually
> unscrewed a couple of them (which may not be possible for everyone
> to do, but it certainly works!).






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bbin37
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With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
into sympathetic vibration. If those deposits are on or in the nerves
you'd have those nerves being stimulated. I haven't seen any studies
on this but I think reacting to the "mercury" quality of the
fluorescent EMR may be a large factor for some.

-B
--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Is it really proven that the circuitry is the problem? It's a
likely cause,
> but I doubt that it has been systematically investigated in
isolation from
> other factors. For example, several studies show that ES reactions
often
> depend on the particular frequency. So the problem with fluorescent
lights
> (and low energy light bulbs) could be that they produce a wider range of
> frequencies than a normal incandescent bulb, including more in the
region

> which people react to. Powerwatch measured higher RF effects from
> fluorescent tubes than standard bulbs.
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> johnlankes
> Sent: 24 August 2006 18:17
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: lights
>
>
>
> It's not the lights that are the problem, but is the EMR-producing
> electronic ballast circuitry that's inside the light fixtures.
>
> Interesting that unscrewing the lights stops this. Would that disengage
> the ballasts I wonder?
>
> John Lankes
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marc
> Martin" <marc@> wrote:
>
> > I've also got florescent lights at work. Above my desk, I've actually
> > unscrewed a couple of them (which may not be possible for everyone
> > to do, but it certainly works!).
>
>
>
>  
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Ian Kemp
Thanks, this does fit the symptoms for some people I know, but one thing
that has puzzled
me before is why is there mercury vapour in fluorescent lights?
Ian

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bbin37
Sent: 29 August 2006 02:05
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: lights



With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
into sympathetic vibration. If those deposits are on or in the nerves
you'd have those nerves being stimulated. I haven't seen any studies
on this but I think reacting to the "mercury" quality of the
fluorescent EMR may be a large factor for some.

-B
--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian Kemp"
<ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Is it really proven that the circuitry is the problem? It's a
likely cause,
> but I doubt that it has been systematically investigated in
isolation from
> other factors. For example, several studies show that ES reactions
often
> depend on the particular frequency. So the problem with fluorescent
lights
> (and low energy light bulbs) could be that they produce a wider range of
> frequencies than a normal incandescent bulb, including more in the
region
> which people react to. Powerwatch measured higher RF effects from
> fluorescent tubes than standard bulbs.
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of

> johnlankes
> Sent: 24 August 2006 18:17
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [eSens] Re: lights
>
>
>
> It's not the lights that are the problem, but is the EMR-producing
> electronic ballast circuitry that's inside the light fixtures.
>
> Interesting that unscrewing the lights stops this. Would that disengage
> the ballasts I wonder?
>
> John Lankes
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marc
> Martin" <marc@> wrote:
>
> > I've also got florescent lights at work. Above my desk, I've actually
> > unscrewed a couple of them (which may not be possible for everyone
> > to do, but it certainly works!).
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



 


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Marc Martin
Administrator
In reply to this post by bbin37
bbin37 wrote:
> With ES symptoms occurring with even the low energy mercury bulbs this
> could point to reaction from resonance. Since a portion of
> fluorescent bulb EMR is from excited mercury vapor perhaps people with
> deposits of mercury in their bodies could have those deposits excited
> into sympathetic vibration.

I have also wondered if the mercury content in the florescent lighting
may be the problem. It'll be interesting to see if the new LED energy
efficient lights are any better, since they won't have any mercury
in them. You can already buy these, but so far they are very expensive
and don't have much light output...

I've also wondered if this is the problem I have with laptops and
LCD screens, which are currently using florescent lights for the
backlight. But again, there should eventually be affordable LED
alternatives...

Marc

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Vinny Pinto
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Hi folks:

Just a brief note: I accidentally omitted mentioning in my
explanation below the fact that some types of fluorescent bulbs
actually use small heater filaments to help to vaporize more of the
mercury, and thus lower the voltage needed for firing, and thus
increase ease of firing, even further.

with care,
--Vinny

At 09:59 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Ian:
>
>Although some sectors of the flurosescent bulb manufacturing industry
>are trying to move away from using mercury in such bulbs due to
>regulatory pressure, it has been used in small amounts for many years
>in most fluorescent bulbs because mercury vapor -- i.e., in a gaseous
>form -- tends to fill the interior of the bulb at room temperature,
>and this metallic vapor readily ionizes in the presence of an applied
>electrical field, and thus facilitates easier lighting of the bulb
>from cold start and also facilitates lighting of the bulb at a lower
>voltage than would normally be needed (a relatively high voltage is
>briefly needed to fire up a fluorescent bulb at startup.)
>
>And, speaking as an ex-EE and as a scientist, yes, fluorescent bulbs
>tend to emit far more RF-range EMF than incandescent bulbs and for
>several reasons:
>
>1) the solid state circuitry used in most modern low-wattage
>fluorescent bulbs sold as replacements for incandescent bulbs tend to
>emit a fair amount of "noise"; actual amount will depend upon design
>and construction techniques.
>
>2) a fluoresecent bulb, much like a neon bulb, consists of an
>electrical discharge through a plasma -- that is, through hot excited
>gases -- and such plasmas, particularly when under AC electrical
>excitation (as in such a bulb as we are discussing), are very
>"noisy", that is, they tend to radiate an EMF signal at a wide range
>of freqencies ranging from low audio range through the RF range to
>perhaps high VHF range or low UHF range. Such plasmas and their
>non-classical radiations are often considered desirable when
>designing and constructing a device such as a Rife plasma Beam Ray
>device (where the excitation frequencies are carefully controlled and
>modulated).
>
>3) Further, such chaotic plasmas in fluorsecent bulbs as considered
>in item 2 above are widely considered by many to convert a small
>portion of this rather chaotic and incoherent noise energy into a
>so-called scalar or subtle energy form rather than emitting it all as
>classical or traditional Hertzian EMF wavesand heat and light. Many
>folks feel that humans and other life forms are uniquely sensitive to
>such chaotic noise energy emitted in the form of such non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields, and that these chaotic non-Hertzian or
>non-classical fields can cause disruption of bioenergy systems
>(including the various levels of chi [aka qi] or prana) within the biofield.
>
>with care,
>--Vinny
>
>At 09:40 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
> >Thanks, this does fit the symptoms for some people I know, but one thing
> >that has puzzled
> >me before is why is there mercury vapour in fluorescent lights?
> >Ian
> >
> >


Vinny Pinto
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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
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snoshoe_2
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The fluorescent lights also emit fluorine, which is hot and could
contribute to the burning. The light itself might be bothering you.
I've found wearing a baseball type had, or something with a brim in
stores helpful at keeping it out of my eyes, and makes it not quite
so bad.
The curly-q screw ones are the worst though, and make me want to
vomit.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Deb Comcast" <deborah.harper@...>
wrote:
>
> I work for the Red Cross and we had two blood drives this week.  
The room had fluorescent lights. My burning and fatigue have been
awful since working there. I was wondering if it could be from the
lights. What do you guys do when this happens and your symptoms get
worse?
>
> Deb
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Vinny Pinto
Hi folks and Snowshoe:

I strongly question the veracity of the statement that
"...fluorescent lights also emit fluorine". What is your source of
information? To my best knowledge, fluroescent bulbs (so named
because the mineral compounds on the inside of the glas wall
fluoresce and emit light in the vis range when hit with UV from the
plams) do not contain fluorine in any form (i.e., any fluroine
comounds) except for a few designs which may use small amounts of
teflon (which does contain some fluorine) as end insulators/spacers,
but those small bits of teflon would be hermetically sealed inside
glass and would not be exposed to the atmosphere. In any case,
fluorine is a gas, and a highly reactive one at that, and it cannot
exist in the form of pure fluorine for more than a very short time,
and fluorine usually exists instead in nature in an oxidized form,
usually as a fluoride.

with care,
--Vinny

At 03:47 PM 8/30/2006, you wrote:

>The fluorescent lights also emit fluorine, which is hot and could
>contribute to the burning. The light itself might be bothering you.
>I've found wearing a baseball type had, or something with a brim in
>stores helpful at keeping it out of my eyes, and makes it not quite
>so bad.
>The curly-q screw ones are the worst though, and make me want to
>vomit.
>
>~ Snoshoe
>
>--- In [hidden email], "Deb Comcast" <deborah.harper@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > I work for the Red Cross and we had two blood drives this week.
>The room had fluorescent lights. My burning and fatigue have been
>awful since working there. I was wondering if it could be from the
>lights. What do you guys do when this happens and your symptoms get
>worse?
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

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johnlankes
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If a fluorescent light flickers when it's turned on, it has an old-

style 60 hertz ballast. If it doesn't flicker it has the newer, energy

efficient "electronic ballast" type that oscillates at a frequency of

20,000 Hz. If this 20 kHz signal is not adequately shielded, can be

problematic for us.

Since manufacturers in the U.S. are only concerned with FCC regulations

(for radio interference), shielding is not a priority.

Once again, if there is no perceptible flickering, it's the higher

frequency "electronic" type.


John Lankes