is geopathic stress real?
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I was wondering if anybody has any experience of being affected by geopathic stress in a similar way to EMFs? Or is it an invalid alternative medicine concept? I have spent years being ill and so many alternative therapists have said geopathic stress is the cause but have never given consistent findings when dowsing houses for me and none of their products have alleviated it? Only recently have I realised the extent to which electricity and other EMFs were contributing to my symptoms. If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself? Thanks, Jodie |
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Hello,
alternative medicine calls it geopathic stress, because that is the item their machines do know. So if they say geopathic stress, it can be a lot of other things in the elektrosmog family, even electrical static fields. People who use dowsing are too quick in placing an etiquette or label on what they think they have found. They exaggerate the value of underground waterflows and earth beams. Metal parts in houses, like supporting steel beams, pipes under floor, steel armour in concrete, metal conduit pipes for air systems, springs in mattresses, boxsprings etc. do have much, much more and higher field strength. (There are even dowsers, who place a big magnet under the bed, but do not recognize the cordless DECT phonein the neighbouring room.) So, everything that is magnetic can have an impact on the body. Even the supporting metal braces of an underwired bra can cause trouble. (Some years ago there was a newspaper mentioning a connection with breast cancer!) Measuring bras with a compass is a very simple method. Just slide the compass along the underside of the bra and look at the needle. A woman told me afterwards, that by replacing the metal brace with a plastic one, her bowel movement had improved. If buying a new bra, take one of those small magnets from the refrigerator which holds notes, and withn that you can check whether it is metal or plastic. Sleeping on a bed which has metal parts can cause electrosensibility. There are people who could not sleep, and blamed that to a mobile phone mast. But after exchaning thewir bed for a wooden one, with a latex or polyether mattress, they could sleep again, despite the phone mast. Beware also for mattresses with small metal springs inside. So we have: - AC Electric Fields - AC Magnetic Fields - Static Electric Fields (DC) - Static Magnetic Fields (DC) - Electromagnetic Waves (RF) The socalled dirty power lies just between the AC Electric Fields and Electromagnetic Waves (RF). Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "xyzjmt" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: [eSens] is geopathic stress real? > Hi, > > I was wondering if anybody has any experience of being affected by > geopathic stress in a similar way to EMFs? Or is it an invalid > alternative medicine concept? I have spent years being ill and so many > alternative therapists have said geopathic stress is the cause but have > never given consistent findings when dowsing houses for me and none of > their products have alleviated it? Only recently have I realised the > extent to which electricity and other EMFs were contributing to my > symptoms. If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know > a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself? > > Thanks, > Jodie > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Hi Jodie, I have been afected by geopathic stress (water veins and curry lines). Some machines like MORA therapy can be used to diagnose geopathic stress and also some kinesiology techniques also. It seems to me that acording to the baubiologie SBM-2003 standards maybe geopathic stress could be seen as a part of the EMR radiation that covers A6) Radioactivity (Gamma Radiation & Radon) and A7) Terrestrial Radiation This radiation can come from substances in the earth; disturbances caused by faults, fractures, underground water courses. According to the baubiologist Wolfgang Maes gamma and neutron radiation are the worst and it seems that a sensitive scintillation counter can be used, he uses MORA too. http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/BAUBiologie_EarthRadiation_Maes_BonusPDF%5B2%5D.pdf http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/12/should-you-protect-yourself-from-earth-radiation.aspx A russian device called IGA-1 it seems also capable to do it. Kravchenko is the name of the inventor. http://iga1.ru/iga.html Best regards, Daniel --- In [hidden email], "xyzjmt" <xyzjmt@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anybody has any experience of being affected by > geopathic stress in a similar way to EMFs? Or is it an invalid > alternative medicine concept? I have spent years being ill and so many > alternative therapists have said geopathic stress is the cause but have > never given consistent findings when dowsing houses for me and none of > their products have alleviated it? Only recently have I realised the > extent to which electricity and other EMFs were contributing to my > symptoms. If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know > a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself? > > Thanks, > Jodie > |
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Hy xyzjmt,
I'm currently trying different things to change the energy that is coming upward from the earth. I learned a few things in another emf group that sound kind of similar to some other things that sound like gobblygoup in a ufo group I also subscribe to. I think it may also be similar to something called orgone energy but I think they use energy from the cosmos and not from the inner earth. It involves using crystals and mixing them with metals and applying energy to the mix. Some think you can change the bad energy into good energy or use the bad energy in the atmosphere to power the crystals and create good energy. One metal that is used that I don't agree with is copper. The symptoms of copper and mercury toxicity are identical according to Andrew Hall Cutler. So I avoid copper. But I use energy from the earth which I pull up with ground rods and mix it with rose quartz rocks and metals. These are held together in a concrete matrix. My hypothesis is that if I use metals that oppose copper I will get the effect that I want. I use lots of zinc as well as molybedneum. Some golf clubs are made out of molybedneum and so I find them at goodwill stores and cut off the club ends. You can also find zinc at hardware stores as many screws and washers have a zinc coating. I can buy rose quartz boulders for 30 cents a pound. So we're not talking about a whole lot of money to build these devices. I use copper ground rods but then buy 1/2 inch steel pipe and pound the pipe on top of the ground rods and use zinc connectors instead of brass or copper. I use aluminum wire instead of copper wire if I'm using the rods to ground my home. My home is aluminum sided. What I do is dig down a foot or two and pound the ground rod and the steel rod into the ground. I then pour in concrete mixed with mauve quartz rocks until I'm fairly close to the surface. I then place the rose quartz rocks in with the conrete on the top layers. Zinc connectors hold the molybedneum gold clubs to the pipe still left sticking out of the ground. Molybedneum is a chelator of copper. Zinc opposes copper in the body. And so these are the metals that I use. I have several of these on the edges of my home near the bed room and also near a couple other places in the house where I spend most of my time. I find it does a good job of changing the energy that comes up through the earth. I hope this gives you and the group some food for thought. > > > --- In [hidden email], "xyzjmt" <xyzjmt@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if anybody has any experience of being affected by > > geopathic stress in a similar way to EMFs? Or is it an invalid > > alternative medicine concept? I have spent years being ill and so many > > alternative therapists have said geopathic stress is the cause but have > > never given consistent findings when dowsing houses for me and none of > > their products have alleviated it? Only recently have I realised the > > extent to which electricity and other EMFs were contributing to my > > symptoms. If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know > > a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself? > > > > Thanks, > > Jodie > > > |
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Hi,
Just wanted to say thank you for the detailed, helpful replies to my questions re geopathic stress, I also agree that a lot of alternative medicine therapists seem to focus too much on geopathic stress , while ignoring other obvious EMF sources. Thanks, Jodie |
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Dear Jodie,
The main problem is that many of the devices sold today may be helping for the geopathic stress alone but they are too weak to cope with the total picture of geopathic stress and the enormous additional increase in man made EMF sources. Best regards RayFence.com --- In [hidden email], "xyzjmt" <xyzjmt@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anybody has any experience of being affected by > geopathic stress in a similar way to EMFs? Or is it an invalid > alternative medicine concept? I have spent years being ill and so many > alternative therapists have said geopathic stress is the cause but have > never given consistent findings when dowsing houses for me and none of > their products have alleviated it? Only recently have I realised the > extent to which electricity and other EMFs were contributing to my > symptoms. If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know > a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself? > > Thanks, > Jodie > |
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Hi all,
I finally got around to buying a new HDTV for the living room. I got the Panasonic 37LZ800, which is a 37" LCD. From an ES standpoint, this does seem somewhat nasty, noticeably worse than the Sony Bravia LCD HDTV that I use as a computer monitor. However, this should be expected, as the Panasonic is much larger (37" vs 26") and higher resolution (1080p vs 720p). However, with a Quantum Home plugged in next to the TV, the Panasonic seems tolerable from my usual viewing distance of 10 feet. So I will likely keep it. I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? Marc |
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In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:19:06 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? Marc As no earth pin in plug it would likely give you a dirty power issue in your local wiring so a stetzer filter might help by pugging the tv into one ? I suppose the overall configuration and choice of components and materials will all add up to positives and negatives, there may not be a golden set-up purposfully achived by the manufacturers froma biological interference standpoint so its pot luck allround the organised chaos. p uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yesterday I was palaying around with my Profi Spion with attached Solar
module antenna. (There is now a separate Lightsmog Spion available) A have a Philips 42" LCD Tv and an Acer 26" Monitor, both radiation-poor. Hardly any 30-60 kHz signals. But with the solar module, pointed in another direction, I got awfull signals from my monitor in the room. As soon as I shut off the monitor, tha Profi Spion was quit. And 5 meters away from my TV also very strong signals. So, I cannot retire, there is still a lot of study to do. Yes, light is something that has to be considered. The light from lamps do give frequencies. Some people get headaches from that. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: [eSens] new TV > Hi all, > > I finally got around to buying a new HDTV for the living room. > I got the Panasonic 37LZ800, which is a 37" LCD. From an ES > standpoint, this does seem somewhat nasty, noticeably worse > than the Sony Bravia LCD HDTV that I use as a computer > monitor. However, this should be expected, as the Panasonic > is much larger (37" vs 26") and higher resolution (1080p > vs 720p). > > However, with a Quantum Home plugged in next to > the TV, the Panasonic seems tolerable from my usual > viewing distance of 10 feet. So I will likely keep > it. > > I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) > plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. > I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to > the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which > make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? > > Marc > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:37:13 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: A have a Philips 42" LCD Tv and an Acer 26" Monitor, both radiation-poor. Hardly any 30-60 kHz signals. But with the solar module, pointed in another direction, I got awfull signals from my monitor in the room. As soon as I shut off the monitor, tha Profi Spion was quit. Charles its a pity I could not record the sound resident on my electricty cables and telecoms from approx 3.30pm-9.10pm everyday - could you workout the frequency from the sound ? I pick it up using AM radio at 1600khz ? I really need help on this one as the radiation from this stings my skin and affects my heart rate .... Paul UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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It's interesting to me that approximately 2-3% of the healthy population
responds abnormally to flashing lights on an EEG (according to research decades ago). This following paper may suggest that these are the same people most affected by EHS: http://www.joem.org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199701000-00006.htm Although I have so far noticed such an effect in myself--although the trigger frequencies can also vary person to person, and for many the frequency may be high enough that it is not consciously registered. I know someone who can't stand color LCD displays but is fine with the old monochrome laptop ones (which had slow response times). I'm looking forward to e-ink laptops... the bookreaders (Kindle, Sony, Iliad) are out there now but I have not seen one in person, and it seems they are not so great for anything but e-books... Bill On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yesterday I was palaying around with my Profi Spion with attached Solar > module antenna. > (There is now a separate Lightsmog Spion available) > > A have a Philips 42" LCD Tv and an Acer 26" Monitor, both radiation-poor. > Hardly any 30-60 kHz signals. > > But with the solar module, pointed in another direction, I got awfull > signals from my monitor in the room. > As soon as I shut off the monitor, tha Profi Spion was quit. > > And 5 meters away from my TV also very strong signals. > > So, I cannot retire, there is still a lot of study to do. > > Yes, light is something that has to be considered. > The light from lamps do give frequencies. > Some people get headaches from that. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: [eSens] new TV > > > > Hi all, > > > > I finally got around to buying a new HDTV for the living room. > > I got the Panasonic 37LZ800, which is a 37" LCD. From an ES > > standpoint, this does seem somewhat nasty, noticeably worse > > than the Sony Bravia LCD HDTV that I use as a computer > > monitor. However, this should be expected, as the Panasonic > > is much larger (37" vs 26") and higher resolution (1080p > > vs 720p). > > > > However, with a Quantum Home plugged in next to > > the TV, the Panasonic seems tolerable from my usual > > viewing distance of 10 feet. So I will likely keep > > it. > > > > I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) > > plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. > > I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to > > the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which > > make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? > > > > Marc > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Interesting material, thanks Bill. Although Sue's electrosensitivity is
much improved, she is still badly affected by strong light (including sunlight) and especially fluorescent lights and low energy light bulbs. It is only a problem on her head - she is OK "from the neck down" in this respect. From this article, one wonders whether the high-frequency flicker in fluorescent lights might be part of the problem - although I don't see that it could apply to the sunlight! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill Bruno Sent: 05 August 2008 03:36 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] new TV It's interesting to me that approximately 2-3% of the healthy population responds abnormally to flashing lights on an EEG (according to research decades ago). This following paper may suggest that these are the same people most affected by EHS: http://www.joem. <http://www.joem.org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199701000-00006.htm> org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199701000-00006.htm Although I have so far noticed such an effect in myself--although the trigger frequencies can also vary person to person, and for many the frequency may be high enough that it is not consciously registered. I know someone who can't stand color LCD displays but is fine with the old monochrome laptop ones (which had slow response times). I'm looking forward to e-ink laptops... the bookreaders (Kindle, Sony, Iliad) are out there now but I have not seen one in person, and it seems they are not so great for anything but e-books... Bill On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, charles <charles@milieuziekt <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> es.be> wrote: > Yesterday I was palaying around with my Profi Spion with attached Solar > module antenna. > (There is now a separate Lightsmog Spion available) > > A have a Philips 42" LCD Tv and an Acer 26" Monitor, both radiation-poor. > Hardly any 30-60 kHz signals. > > But with the solar module, pointed in another direction, I got awfull > signals from my monitor in the room. > As soon as I shut off the monitor, tha Profi Spion was quit. > > And 5 meters away from my TV also very strong signals. > > So, I cannot retire, there is still a lot of study to do. > > Yes, light is something that has to be considered. > The light from lamps do give frequencies. > Some people get headaches from that. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: [eSens] new TV > > > > Hi all, > > > > I finally got around to buying a new HDTV for the living room. > > I got the Panasonic 37LZ800, which is a 37" LCD. From an ES > > standpoint, this does seem somewhat nasty, noticeably worse > > than the Sony Bravia LCD HDTV that I use as a computer > > monitor. However, this should be expected, as the Panasonic > > is much larger (37" vs 26") and higher resolution (1080p > > vs 720p). > > > > However, with a Quantum Home plugged in next to > > the TV, the Panasonic seems tolerable from my usual > > viewing distance of 10 feet. So I will likely keep > > it. > > > > I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) > > plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. > > I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to > > the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which > > make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? > > > > Marc > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I was totally dependent on sunglasses before -- but seems I don't
need them now -- I think microwaves damage the eyes leading to light sensitivity. That could be a separate phenomenon from the flashing sensitivity. Bill On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>wrote: > Interesting material, thanks Bill. Although Sue's electrosensitivity is > much improved, she is still badly affected by strong light (including > sunlight) and especially fluorescent lights and low energy light bulbs. It > is only a problem on her head - she is OK "from the neck down" in this > respect. From this article, one wonders whether the high-frequency flicker > in fluorescent lights might be part of the problem - although I don't see > that it could apply to the sunlight! > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill > Bruno > Sent: 05 August 2008 03:36 > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] new TV > > It's interesting to me that approximately 2-3% of the healthy population > responds abnormally to flashing lights on an EEG (according to research > decades ago). This following paper may suggest that these are the > same people most affected by EHS: > > http://www.joem. > <http://www.joem.org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199701000-00006.htm> > org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199701000-00006.htm > > Although I have so far noticed such an effect in myself--although the > trigger frequencies can also vary person to person, and for many the > frequency may be high enough that it is not consciously registered. > > I know someone who can't stand color LCD displays but is fine with the > old monochrome laptop ones (which had slow response times). > > I'm looking forward to e-ink laptops... the bookreaders (Kindle, Sony, > Iliad) are > out there now but I have not seen one in person, and it seems they are not > so great for anything but e-books... > > Bill > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, charles <charles@milieuziekt > <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be <charles%2540milieuziektes.be>> es.be> > wrote: > > > Yesterday I was palaying around with my Profi Spion with attached Solar > > module antenna. > > (There is now a separate Lightsmog Spion available) > > > > A have a Philips 42" LCD Tv and an Acer 26" Monitor, both radiation-poor. > > Hardly any 30-60 kHz signals. > > > > But with the solar module, pointed in another direction, I got awfull > > signals from my monitor in the room. > > As soon as I shut off the monitor, tha Profi Spion was quit. > > > > And 5 meters away from my TV also very strong signals. > > > > So, I cannot retire, there is still a lot of study to do. > > > > Yes, light is something that has to be considered. > > The light from lamps do give frequencies. > > Some people get headaches from that. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Bitdefender > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com<marc%2540ufoseries.com>> > com> > > To: <eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com<eSens%2540yahoogroups.com>> > com> > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:18 PM > > Subject: [eSens] new TV > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I finally got around to buying a new HDTV for the living room. > > > I got the Panasonic 37LZ800, which is a 37" LCD. From an ES > > > standpoint, this does seem somewhat nasty, noticeably worse > > > than the Sony Bravia LCD HDTV that I use as a computer > > > monitor. However, this should be expected, as the Panasonic > > > is much larger (37" vs 26") and higher resolution (1080p > > > vs 720p). > > > > > > However, with a Quantum Home plugged in next to > > > the TV, the Panasonic seems tolerable from my usual > > > viewing distance of 10 feet. So I will likely keep > > > it. > > > > > > I noticed that the Panasonic uses an ungrounded (2-prong) > > > plug, while my Sony Bravia uses a grounded (3-prong) plug. > > > I wonder if the ungrounded plug contributes anything to > > > the problem, or if it is most likely other factors which > > > make the Panasonic worse than the Sony? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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