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nthnwdhs
I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive a truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start of the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days driving this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping a sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do with it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this morning and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range and obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?
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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

emil
You can use Giron http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#273 to cover the area of the floor where the source of the field is located.

Emil

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>I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to
>block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive a
>truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start of
>the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days driving
>this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping a
>sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do with
>it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this morning
>and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range and
>obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I
>block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?
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KarenEck
If that doesn't work, seems like it should fall under "on the job injury"
and file for worker's compensation.

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> You can use Giron http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#273 [1] to cover
> the area of the floor where the source of the field is located.
>
> Emil
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>>I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to
>
>>block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive
> a
>>truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start
> of
>>the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days
> driving
>>this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping
> a
>>sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do
> with
>>it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this
> morning
>>and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range
> and
>>obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I
>>block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?
>>
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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

Fog Top
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I have found very high floor level magnetic fields in many vehicles using a Trifield.  Yet, as sensitive as I am to magnetic fields I have done OK in them for long periods of time.  I question using a Trifield since its needle is very sensitive to vibration and will show a much higher read from the vibration and movement of a vehicle with the engine on.


Yet, I don't want to discourage you from shielding as this may very well be what's affecting you badly.  I have tried Giron to block these fields and the levels didn't improve much.  Perhaps I was too skimpy with the application.


I was recently in a new Subaru Outback and developed ES symptoms rapidly.  A few days later I rode in it again armed with my meters.  It turned out the Bluetooth was enabled and was constantly trying to connect with an unavailable phone.  It gave out a steady stream of microwaves at driver/passenger-side head level which frequently maxed out my analyzer at 2000 uW/m2.  We disabled the Bluetooth and the signal went away, but I still felt poorly.


Turns out the owner's manual indicates that the vehicle has about eight transmitting antennas for the keyless entry/ push-button start and various other "smart" applications at about 137 KHz.  My meters could not detect this low frequency wireless communication signal, but boy did I ever feel it (studies show that pulsed low frequency is the most biologically effective). The manual even showed the area covered by the signal engulfing the whole car to about two feet away from the vehicle. Drove another Subaru - same year same model but without the keyless entry/push button start and the without the antennas and transmitters and felt just fine.
 




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I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive a truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start of the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days driving this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping a sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do with it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this morning and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range and obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?



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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

Karl
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I'm new here, but I thought I'd post because I'm looking at ways of shielding cars also.

The Giron film probably uses mild (low alloy) steel, since that's what I've usually read about for redirecting strong low frequency or static fields. There's a nice article here: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials

You might be able to get away with using a plain old steel sheet or plate.
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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

charles
The rubber tires contain steel belts.
They may become magnetic.

I know a person who demagnetizes his tires every 5.000 km.
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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

nthnwdhs
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Thanks for that - I'll look into it...

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:01 AM, emil [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
You can use Giron http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#273 to cover the area of the floor where the source of the field is located.

Emil

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>I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to
>block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive a
>truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start of
>the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days driving
>this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping a
>sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do with
>it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this morning
>and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range and
>obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I
>block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?
>
>
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Re: how to deal with a magnetic field

nthnwdhs
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I'm pretty sure the magnetic field was the problem ... I've been aware of being electrically sensitive for about 4 years now and I have spent much money and effort creating a safe environment for me to live, sleep and work in.  I've gotten rid of most devices / furniture which give of dirty electricity in the home, including large tv, inner spring mattress, certain light globes, and I turn the power off every night.  I've moved to the country and now work on a farm rather than being in the city and I use my phone sparingly, trying not to use it for the internet and never carry it in my pocket for extended lengths of time unless I've got it switched to aeroplane mode.  I'm hoping I've eliminated all other likely causes.

However, scientifically what I experienced was anecdotal (only really occurring once) ... I've worked in research for 4 years and I've been told that for anything to be a fact it needs to be repeated 3 times, so in this case, it is possible that the magnetic fields were the issue.  If it happens again the next time I'm in the truck it is then 'likely', then if it happens a third time it is then 'probable' and can be considered scientific evidence ... but even then you need to publish it and start the 'academic discussion' to further your case.

The magnetic field was likely coming from the alternator on the truck ... the truck is 24 volts (so up from the normal 12 volt) and if you consider an engine rotation of 1500 rpm, and in increase of the alternator rpm by a factor of 10 (due to differences in pulley size) and that an alternator may give 1 to 3 Hz per rotation, you are looking at a frequency around 250 Hz and 750 Hz.  I don't completely understand the difference between magnetic fields and electric fields - I thought I read somewhere that electric fields are generated when electricity flows from one place to another and magnetic fields can be present when no electric energy flow.  An alternator would have both - I guess, and for some reason the electric fields aren't coming through into the cab.

With the use of a trifield meter, I'm not sure what you mean be 'vibrating' ... the needle wasn't moving at all - it was locked, if you like, of the scale because the fields were so strong.

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I have found very high floor level magnetic fields in many vehicles using a Trifield.  Yet, as sensitive as I am to magnetic fields I have done OK in them for long periods of time.  I question using a Trifield since its needle is very sensitive to vibration and will show a much higher read from the vibration and movement of a vehicle with the engine on.


Yet, I don't want to discourage you from shielding as this may very well be what's affecting you badly.  I have tried Giron to block these fields and the levels didn't improve much.  Perhaps I was too skimpy with the application.


I was recently in a new Subaru Outback and developed ES symptoms rapidly.  A few days later I rode in it again armed with my meters.  It turned out the Bluetooth was enabled and was constantly trying to connect with an unavailable phone.  It gave out a steady stream of microwaves at driver/passenger-side head level which frequently maxed out my analyzer at 2000 uW/m2.  We disabled the Bluetooth and the signal went away, but I still felt poorly.


Turns out the owner's manual indicates that the vehicle has about eight transmitting antennas for the keyless entry/ push-button start and various other "smart" applications at about 137 KHz.  My meters could not detect this low frequency wireless communication signal, but boy did I ever feel it (studies show that pulsed low frequency is the most biologically effective). The manual even showed the area covered by the signal engulfing the whole car to about two feet away from the vehicle. Drove another Subaru - same year same model but without the keyless entry/push button start and the without the antennas and transmitters and felt just fine.
 




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I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive a truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start of the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days driving this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping a sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do with it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this morning and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range and obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?



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nthnwdhs
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That would be nice but I worry about the necessary increase in insurance premiums ...

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, KarenEck [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
If that doesn't work, seems like it should fall under "on the job injury"
and file for worker's compensation.

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:01:58 -0700 (MST), "emil [via ES]"
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> You can use Giron http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#273 [1] to cover
> the area of the floor where the source of the field is located.
>
> Emil
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>>I have a near crisis situation and need some advice quickly about how to
>
>>block a strong magnetic field. I have a new job and am required to drive
> a
>>truck for long hours for the next 6 weeks and tomorrow will be the start
> of
>>the busiest time of the year. However, I have spent the last 4 days
> driving
>>this truck and have experienced a disturbed sleep ( I have been keeping
> a
>>sleep record and it is clear to see that the truck has something to do
> with
>>it). I measured the magnetic field with a tri-field gauss meter this
> morning
>>and the floor of the truck was off the scale on the 0-100 magnetic range
> and
>>obvious to me that it was the cause of my disturbed sleep. So how can I
>>block this field and what can I do to keep driving this truck?
>>
>>
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nthnwdhs
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Well, at 100 kph, does the magnetic fields from that become 10 Hz?

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The rubber tires contain steel belts.
They may become magnetic.

I know a person who demagnetizes his tires every 5.000 km.


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