housing criteria for those with ES

>
> On August  1, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote:
> > 1. Smart meters.  Some kinds might be ok but need to stay away from those frequently transmitting ones.
> >
> > 2. Proximity to cell phone towers/antennas, radio station towers, television towers, airports, naval bases, etc.  
> > RF meters can help identifiy problems.  Antennasearch.com is also very helpful.
>
> I'd also add proximity to power lines.  Some houses are much closer to power lines and power transformers
> than others.  Also, I've noticed that some of the power poles have smaller antennas on them... don't know
> what they are, but I'd avoid those too.
>
> > 5. Dirty electricity. Measurable with a Graham Stetzer microsurge meter.  Possibly correctable with filters
> > but personally I would avoid any place with high levels.
>
> Sometimes just replacing the outlet with a new one can dramatically reduce the readings on a Stetzer
> meter.  Also use an outlet checker to find outlets that need to rewired to make them correctly wired.
>
> > 9. Heating and Cooling. Depending on climate, need to have EMF safe ways of heating and cooling the house.  
> > Electric baseboards give off emfs.  
>
> Just because something gives off EMFs, doesn't mean that a person will have problems with it.
> Not all EMFs are created equal.  :-)  Also, some people are very sensitive to natural gas, so
> they want need to avoid that too.
>
> > 10. Lighting.  Dimmer switches are bad due to high freq emfs.  Over head lighting is probably a bonus
> > because it avoids the use of floor lamps which can be problematic.  Make sure light sockets can take
> > incadescent bulbs...
>
> Halogen bulbs that run off line voltage should be okay too.
>
> Marc
>

> On August  2, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I used outlet checker for all ours and the lights came on as ok,
>> even for the ones with push bottons in kitchen and bathrooms.
>> Does that mean fine or still might register as not ok on a stetzer meter (dont have a stetzer, just lots of volt meters)
>
> The Stetzer meter tells you about noise on the lines, which is different
> than what an outlet tester tests.  So an outlet may be wired correctly
> according to an outlet tester, but still have a lot of noise on the lines.
>
> Marc
>

> For MCS (chemical sensitivities), there are many good lists online of what one should look for when trying to find safe housing. I've seen some guides for ES, but they don't seem nearly as complete or informative (most of the ones I've seen don't even mention dirty electricity).
>
> So, I thought we might use this thread to collect people's thoughts on what makes a potential home "safe" (or "safer") for someone with ES. Basically a list of criteria, preferably with some order of importance, that someone could use when looking for an apartment, house, cottage, etc. Of course we all have different levels of sensitivity to different things, so what is most important to one person might not be most important to another, but I still think it'd be possible to come up with a list that can serve as a good starting point for someone looking for housing, especially if they are new to ES or don't fully understand all the issues.
>
> So let me know if you have any thoughts on the key things an ES person should look for when in search of housing. If there are enough responses then I will try to put together a document and upload it to the group. If you are aware of a list or document that already accomplishes this, or partially accomplishes this, then please post that as well. Thanks and I'll try to get us started with a few things I know to think about, more or less in order of the importance I would place on them...
>
> (Note: my knowledge is pretty basic compared to many others here, so feel free to correct me, add to what I've said on various things, etc.)
>
> 1. Smart meters. Some kinds might be ok but need to stay away from those frequently transmitting ones.
>
> 2. Proximity to cell phone towers/antennas, radio station towers, television towers, airports, naval bases, etc. RF meters can help identifiy problems. Antennasearch.com is also very helpful.
>
> 3. Proximity to neighbors. Are neighbors close enough that their use of WIFI, cordless phones, cell phones, etc. could possibly bother me? RF meters can help identify problems.
>
> 4. Electrical wiring. Not super knowledgable with this but I imagine there are certain things one needs to check for (proper grounding, no knob-tube, etc.)
>
> 5. Dirty electricity. Measurable with a Graham Stetzer microsurge meter. Possibly correctable with filters but personally I would avoid any place with high levels.
>
> 6. Bedroom Sanctuary. Taking into account the location of the bedrooms relative to the various sources of EMFs in the home, will it be possible to create a really really safe sleeping area for those who need it? Can you shut off electricity to the bedrooms at night?
>
> 7. Street wiring. Underground street wiring is better but if overhead then how low does it get to the ground as it connects to the house and do you have to walk under it at the lower points? Where does it connect to the house (some may need to avoid the adjacent room)? There's also something bad about attaching to water pipes I think.
>
> 8. Location of electric meter, electric panel, refridgerator, etc. Should not be located in areas where one spends a lot of time.
>
> 9. Heating and Cooling. Depending on climate, need to have EMF safe ways of heating and cooling the house. Electric baseboards give off emfs. Electric heat pumps probably do too. I think Central AC can be a problem. Where are these things located?
>
> 10. Lighting. Dimmer switches are bad due to high freq emfs. Over head lighting is probably a bonus because it avoids the use of floor lamps which can be problematic. Make sure light sockets can take incadescent bulbs...there are some that seem to only take flourescents.
>
> Ok, that's what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing lots. And of course the most important thing is how one personally feels inside the apartment or house. So, what else do people think is important? I'd really appreciate other's input.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Russ
>
>

>
> On August  1, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote:
> > 1. Smart meters.  Some kinds might be ok but need to stay away from those frequently transmitting ones.
> >
> > 2. Proximity to cell phone towers/antennas, radio station towers, television towers, airports, naval bases, etc.  
> > RF meters can help identifiy problems.  Antennasearch.com is also very helpful.
>
> I'd also add proximity to power lines.  Some houses are much closer to power lines and power transformers
> than others.  Also, I've noticed that some of the power poles have smaller antennas on them... don't know
> what they are, but I'd avoid those too.
>
> > 5. Dirty electricity. Measurable with a Graham Stetzer microsurge meter.  Possibly correctable with filters
> > but personally I would avoid any place with high levels.
>
> Sometimes just replacing the outlet with a new one can dramatically reduce the readings on a Stetzer
> meter.  Also use an outlet checker to find outlets that need to rewired to make them correctly wired.
>
> > 9. Heating and Cooling. Depending on climate, need to have EMF safe ways of heating and cooling the house.  
> > Electric baseboards give off emfs.  
>
> Just because something gives off EMFs, doesn't mean that a person will have problems with it.
> Not all EMFs are created equal.  :-)  Also, some people are very sensitive to natural gas, so
> they want need to avoid that too.
>
> > 10. Lighting.  Dimmer switches are bad due to high freq emfs.  Over head lighting is probably a bonus
> > because it avoids the use of floor lamps which can be problematic.  Make sure light sockets can take
> > incadescent bulbs...
>
> Halogen bulbs that run off line voltage should be okay too.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Other things to consider would be geopathic stress, how much metal is used in the building, and the type of electrical supply. Building biologists advocate the use of alternative building materials such as adobe. Of course, DC is better than AC. There are some ES housing projects that use solar based DC.
>
> Rolf
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:08 PM, russel395 wrote:
>
> > For MCS (chemical sensitivities), there are many good lists online of what one should look for when trying to find safe housing. I've seen some guides for ES, but they don't seem nearly as complete or informative (most of the ones I've seen don't even mention dirty electricity).
> >
> > So, I thought we might use this thread to collect people's thoughts on what makes a potential home "safe" (or "safer") for someone with ES. Basically a list of criteria, preferably with some order of importance, that someone could use when looking for an apartment, house, cottage, etc. Of course we all have different levels of sensitivity to different things, so what is most important to one person might not be most important to another, but I still think it'd be possible to come up with a list that can serve as a good starting point for someone looking for housing, especially if they are new to ES or don't fully understand all the issues.
> >
> > So let me know if you have any thoughts on the key things an ES person should look for when in search of housing. If there are enough responses then I will try to put together a document and upload it to the group. If you are aware of a list or document that already accomplishes this, or partially accomplishes this, then please post that as well. Thanks and I'll try to get us started with a few things I know to think about, more or less in order of the importance I would place on them...
> >
> > (Note: my knowledge is pretty basic compared to many others here, so feel free to correct me, add to what I've said on various things, etc.)
> >
> > 1. Smart meters. Some kinds might be ok but need to stay away from those frequently transmitting ones.
> >
> > 2. Proximity to cell phone towers/antennas, radio station towers, television towers, airports, naval bases, etc. RF meters can help identifiy problems. Antennasearch.com is also very helpful.
> >
> > 3. Proximity to neighbors. Are neighbors close enough that their use of WIFI, cordless phones, cell phones, etc. could possibly bother me? RF meters can help identify problems.
> >
> > 4. Electrical wiring. Not super knowledgable with this but I imagine there are certain things one needs to check for (proper grounding, no knob-tube, etc.)
> >
> > 5. Dirty electricity. Measurable with a Graham Stetzer microsurge meter. Possibly correctable with filters but personally I would avoid any place with high levels.
> >
> > 6. Bedroom Sanctuary. Taking into account the location of the bedrooms relative to the various sources of EMFs in the home, will it be possible to create a really really safe sleeping area for those who need it? Can you shut off electricity to the bedrooms at night?
> >
> > 7. Street wiring. Underground street wiring is better but if overhead then how low does it get to the ground as it connects to the house and do you have to walk under it at the lower points? Where does it connect to the house (some may need to avoid the adjacent room)? There's also something bad about attaching to water pipes I think.
> >
> > 8. Location of electric meter, electric panel, refridgerator, etc. Should not be located in areas where one spends a lot of time.
> >
> > 9. Heating and Cooling. Depending on climate, need to have EMF safe ways of heating and cooling the house. Electric baseboards give off emfs. Electric heat pumps probably do too. I think Central AC can be a problem. Where are these things located?
> >
> > 10. Lighting. Dimmer switches are bad due to high freq emfs. Over head lighting is probably a bonus because it avoids the use of floor lamps which can be problematic. Make sure light sockets can take incadescent bulbs...there are some that seem to only take flourescents.
> >
> > Ok, that's what I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing lots. And of course the most important thing is how one personally feels inside the apartment or house. So, what else do people think is important? I'd really appreciate other's input.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
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