health update

My health continues to steadily improve. Avoiding magnetic fields,
living with most of the power off, the stetzer filters and an improved
diet and daily herbs (lots of nettles) , weed soups (dandelion, yellow
dock leaves) and some form of daily exercise (walking, pilates, qigong
or dance). I had one bad day after a big dance workout last week where
I felt like my immune system was shut down but other than that I have
been feeling great. Yesterday I started to take the liquid zeolite and
although I did 11 drops throughout the day I noticed no effect. I don't
know if I'll ever be free of ES and I will continue to avoid EMF's but
this journey has taught me a lot about my health and my past health.

When I was in my twenties I lived for two months in a renovated attic
and I had the worst panic attacks and roaring sounds in my head I was so
frightened I could not sleep without the light on. The gal who lived
there after me had terrible mental problems. I now believe it was a bad
case of electric wiring problems and not me personally. We also lived
near an air force base in my teens and no doubt exposure to radar and I
painted murals with latex paint in the 70's (which contained mercury
then) and slept with my bed at the breaker box wall as a teen.

So I am feeling grateful. I always wanted to live in the country without
electricity and surprise to me I am living in the city without or
partial electricity. I think that detoxifying the body through avoidance
and diet/herbs/exercise has been the ticket for me. I feel good now and
I think I am probably still healing. imagine next year.. : )

To your health,
Sandi

heres a link to an article by my local emf guy:
http://www.shareguide.com/electro.html

PS. In defense of the filters I installed them more than a month ago and
my sleep improved and my sleep has remained improved since.
I liked Dave Stetzer a lot and found talking with him helpful.

Thanks for the update, Sandi! Sounds like progress is
being made.

> Yesterday I started to take the liquid zeolite and
> although I did 11 drops throughout the day I noticed no effect.

Wow, 11 drops and no effect! I was ready to crawl out of my skin
with just one drop of NCD (liquid zeolite). I eventually settled
on an initial daily dose of 0.25 drops, and after a period of 3
months was able to build up to a toleance of 2 drops. However,
during that time I noticed no improvement of anything -- just
side effects. So I stopped taking it.

(I find that I react/benefit more with NDF for detox)


> PS. In defense of the filters I installed them more than a month ago and
> my sleep improved and my sleep has remained improved since.

No need to defend them -- they work for some people, and for
others they don't. Good to hear that they are working for you!

I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. One
sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate the virus
for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with mushroom
tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. Two days
on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight boost of
energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have experience
with taking the zeolite?

Sandi Maurer wrote:
> I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well

Yes, my experiences with chlorella have certainly been mixed as
well. I remember years ago trying various brands of chlorella
and having all sorts of terrible reactions. Sun Chlorella
was one of the nastier brands as I recall. I heard that one
reason that people have such a bad reaction is that many brands
are contaminated with heavy metals to start with!

HOWEVER, I have also found that small doses of uncontaminated
chlorella taken over a long period of time does have
benefits. NDF is one such brand. I took this for a couple
years starting in 2001, and my health did improve noticeably
during this time, and it did help my ES symptoms immediately
after taking a dose. More telling, my health did NOT improve
any further in the years after I stopped taking it. So
I'm taking it again now to see if I get further improvements.
But it's not something that I expect to see quickly. It'll
be more of a case where I will compare my overall health
next year with how it is currently, and see if there are
any obvious improvements.

Also, it's important not to take too much of this stuff,
as it it will make me feel bad. For example, currently
I can take 2 drops daily of NDF without consequence. At 3
drops, I notice some mild detox symptoms. At 4 drops,
those symptoms become bothersome (dehydration, headache,
feeling like I'm about to catch the flu, etc.). So
the recommendation in such a case is to take 2 or 3
drops. Eventually over time, 3 drops won't cause
me any problems, nor will 4, and then I can safely
move up to that dose. People who have no problem
with toxicity can probably take 100 drops all at
once and notice nothing at all.

I'm also taking limited amounts of chlorella capsules
from Biotics Research. These don't seem to be contaminated,
but again, I started off tolerating only a half a capsule
of these per day, and am now up to 1.5 capsules per day.

Here is where I buy NDF:

http://purehealthsystems.com/heavy-metal-removal.html

And here is the NDF manufacturers site:

http://www.bioray2000.com/Products.cfm

And here is where I buy Biotics Research chlorella:

http://www.totalsupplement.net/shop/index.php?shop=1&itemid=540

But both of these products are sold elsewhere. They
are both professional (doctors) brands, so you probably
won't find them in your local health food store!

As for the NCD/liquid zeolite, I'm on a heavy metal
detox list, and there is one person there who has
literally tried every chelator with horrible side
effects. The NCD liquid zeolite seems to be
the only thing she has ever tolerated, and
she has been showing slow & steady signs of
health improvements. That's the way it is
with detox from severe poisoning --
slow & steady!

Marc

> As for the NCD/liquid zeolite, I'm on a heavy metal
> detox list, and there is one person there who has
> literally tried every chelator with horrible side
> effects. The NCD liquid zeolite seems to be
> the only thing she has ever tolerated, and
> she has been showing slow & steady signs of
> health improvements. That's the way it is
> with detox from severe poisoning --
> slow & steady!

Hi Marc,
Could you give a link to the heavy metal detox list? (I can't seem to
find anything useful using the search-option at yahoo groups.)

Thanks,
Aslak.

> Could you give a link to the heavy metal detox list? (I can't seem to
> find anything useful using the search-option at yahoo groups.)

Well, the list I was referring to isn't on YahooGroups... it's
at:

http://cfsn.com/metlist.html

Marc

If the zeolite is scientifically proven to work, then you should give
it time, if there are alot of metals to be removed then I imagine it is
unlikely that there is any treatment that will remove them almost
instantly.




--- In [hidden email], Sandi Maurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. One
> sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate the
virus
> for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with
mushroom
> tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. Two
days
> on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight boost
of
> energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have
experience
> with taking the zeolite?
>

--- In [hidden email], "richsurf77" <richgrav@...> wrote:
>
> If the zeolite is scientifically proven to work, then you should
give
> it time, if there are alot of metals to be removed then I imagine
it is
> unlikely that there is any treatment that will remove them almost
> instantly.

Edit: I've just looked at a few of the testimpnials on their site and
imo it seems like they have included some which sound a bit too good
to be true and also their site doesn't seem to go into too much
detail about how effective it is at removing heavy metals, so maybe
this isn't the best product to use.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Sandi Maurer <jspirit@> wrote:
> >
> > I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however.
One
> > sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate
the
> virus
> > for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with
> mushroom
> > tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system.
Two
> days
> > on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight
boost
> of
> > energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have
> experience
> > with taking the zeolite?
> >
>

> Edit: I've just looked at a few of the testimpnials on their site and
> imo it seems like they have included some which sound a bit too good
> to be true and also their site doesn't seem to go into too much
> detail about how effective it is at removing heavy metals, so maybe
> this isn't the best product to use.

With chelators, everyone seems to react differently, so what may
be the best product for one person may be the worst for another.
NCD does indeed appear to work for some people, and if you are
one of those people, then that's all that will matter to you!

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Edit: I've just looked at a few of the testimpnials on their site
and
> > imo it seems like they have included some which sound a bit too
good
Were you replying to me, if so I was talking about the zeolite, I'm not
sure what NCD is. BTW, do you know of any big surveys done of which
metal detox products have the highest success rate for electrosensitive
people ? I know it seems like different people find different products
work best, but I think it would be useful to know in general, which
people have found worked well.

Richard

> Were you replying to me, if so I was talking about the zeolite, I'm not
> sure what NCD is.

NCD is short for "natural cellular defense", which appears to be the
most popular liquid zeolite product currently on the market.

> BTW, do you know of any big surveys done of which
> metal detox products have the highest success rate for electrosensitive
> people?

I don't think there has been such a survey. It's hard enough finding
people who are successful, let alone doing a big survey... on this
list, we've had a several people reduce their sensitivities via heavy
metal detoxification, but it seems that everyone has done it their
own way (detox foot pads, detox food baths, chlorella/cilantro,
DMSA/ALA, etc.).

Marc

I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects.
I've heard from others, same.
It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff like NCD.

All the other chelators seem to have problems associated with them.

William



--- In [hidden email], "richsurf77" <richgrav@...> wrote:

skrzn wrote:
> I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects.
> I've heard from others, same.
> It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff like NCD.

I've also used NDF, however, I had to be careful with the dosage to
limit side effects. And with my limited dosage, it took a long time
to see progress (months/years)...

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> skrzn wrote:
> > I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects.
> > I've heard from others, same.
> > It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff
like NCD.
>
> I've also used NDF, however, I had to be careful with the dosage to
> limit side effects. And with my limited dosage, it took a long time
> to see progress (months/years)...
>
> Marc
>

A few questions for both of you, and anyone else who has done a
successful detox.

were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took
these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing?

did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated
with mercury?

did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad?

Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst
you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if
their is something)?

do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking
other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7
or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before
detox.

Richard

> were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took
> these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing?

With NDF, each dose is most active for a period of about 3-4 hours.
I try to avoid large amounts of EMF during this period, as EMF
will stir up the heavy metals even more (and yes, make you feel
worse)

> did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated
> with mercury?

I had ringing in the ears from time to time...

> did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad?

I had bloodshot eyes a lot of the time... as for aching, I guess
I had stiff muscles, but I associated that with my posture while
using the computer.

> Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst
> you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if
> their is something)?

NDF is actually supposed to target the nervous system more than
other chelators do, so I suppose it was getting through this
"barrier". I also took the Microhydrin/Mega-H/Megahydrate
antioxidant several hours after taking NDF, which I believed
to "clean up" any heavy metals that the NDF may have stirred
up but not removed (I base this on my symptoms pre/post)

> do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking
> other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7
> or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before
> detox.

One of the things you should probably do before taking things
like these is get the metal dental fillings removed by a holistic
dentist. And yes, there are all sorts of things that you can
take or do to strengthen your liver, kidneys, colon, etc., and
depending on the condition you are in, you may or may not need
to do some of this first. did, for a period of about 9 months,
but in hindsight I wish that I had started with the metal
detox sooner -- but it took me 9 months to accept that I had
a metal problem! :-)

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "richsurf77" <richgrav@...> wrote:

> >
>
> A few questions for both of you, and anyone else who has done a
> successful detox.
>
> were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took
> these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing?

No.
I was living in a full size converted Chevy van in the Sonoran desert; the only
electrosmog source was the controller for the solar charging system - it was about 18
inches from my head as I slept. I don't know how much emf it puts out, or what
frequencies.

 
>
> did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated
> with mercury?


I had more ringing in the ears than now, now it's only one ear.

>
> did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad?


No.

>
> Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst
> you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if
> their is something)?


I don't know. I am one of the apparently very rare people who change their diet easily
and without much thought. This fixes lots of things.
"Let your food be your medicine, and let your medicine be your food" Hippocrates, ca
500BC.
Beware supplements - mostly cause unwanted reactions.
 
>
> do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking
> other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7
> or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before
> detox.

Yes.
I felt better while I was taking NDF - this is supposed to be a common experience
according to the Bioray2000 website.
Please keep in mind that people commonly react to something in their diet, and don't
know it, so it's probably not the NDF that's causing bad feeling.


William