emf from my wireless laptop computer and other appliances

Hi Group, I am new and I just wanted to see if anyone could help me.I
had a bad exposure to mold from a home in Fla and It caused me to
have multiple chemical sensitivity. I bought a new laptop about a
year ago and it immediatly gave me reactions and brain fog everytime
I used it.So i went out and bought a separate modem and keyboard and
moved the laptop as far away as possible and it helped me a bunch.I
then moved and have been using it by itself again and still notice
that I feel worse after using it each time.The room where I use it
also has a wireless modem and a few other electric appliances in it.
I measured the emf, with a elf magnetic field meter? hand held device
and found an alarm adapter plug with a 230 reading and a window fan
with 150 and a phone electrical adapter with a 150 reading and my
computer which I spend 4-8 hours a day on approximately 1 foot away
from me with a 25-30, tv says 40, an switch outlet 3 ft from my head
says 15 or so.Do I have to worry more about the wireless devices like
my modem, computer, and phone or do I have to be more concerned with
my emf readings or none of this? Does the device measure the wireless
signals part? I dont think so?I do realize that the laptop is made of
a bunch of toxic chems that i am allergic to so it is confusing to
me.Ive been trying to eliminate and turn off move as many things as I
can but at this point the cordless phone at 150 has to stay.I have
been sick a lot and I am just trying to get well and eliminate as
many potential problems as i can.This is all new to me so I would so
much appreciate any guideance.

Thanks, Bob
Fla, NY

Bob writes:
> Do I have to worry more about the wireless devices like
> my modem, computer, and phone or do I have to be more concerned with
> my emf readings or none of this?

Welcome to the group, Bob.

I would personally eliminate all wireless devices from the house (
modem, telephones) and replace them with wired equivalents. Also
I'd turn off the Wi-Fi antenna in the laptop, if you can.
Measuring with a meter doesn't tell you much, unless you
have a meter which measures the same frequencies that the
wireless devices produce (ghz range) -- most of the EMF
meters that people purchase don't measure such high
frequencies.

If you're being troubled by offgassing and/or molds, you
might want to look into getting an air purifier which
produces some ozone (Biozone Scientific, Aranizer),
while might make the air more breathable.

Also, if you've got florescent lights in the house (including
the energy-efficient CFLs), I'd replace those with incandescents.

Marc

 
In a message dated 28/04/2008 03:58:18 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]  
writes:

 
been sick a lot and I am just trying to get well and eliminate as
many potential problems as i can.This is all new to me so I would so
much appreciate any guideance.

Thanks, Bob
Fla, NY


 


Dont forget to use your instincts also, that said it is probabaly worth  
being cuatious with all electronics at close quarters, I am the same with the  
laptop, most probably you wont be able to get far eneough away from it to avoid  
effects, less effect often leads to more time spent on the laptop, but same  
effect in long term often worse as it creeps up on you. I have spent nearly
£2000 on a log cabin at end of my garden, I put a desk top PC in a cabinet
outside and fitted keyboard and mouse on extension cables plus LCD screen 1.6m
away but still I find the process of working on the PC an aboration after a
short time, little did I realise that at the end of my garden there is more
electrosmog than in my house, from wifi,dect phones, amatuer radio ham and  
goodness knows what else. I have no more ready cash to sheild the cabin, and I
doubt if that will be the top solution as the PC will still need to be inside
the sheilded room ! I have only been inside here now for the last 1/2 hr and
already I have a head full of histamine, sound sensitive and very agressive
but curiously weak with it. Last time I spent 2 hrs in here I developed a
zigzag oxcycetelene blue horseshoe shape thing in my left eye for hours after -
very worrying - by for now as I am using my credits on this
 
Paul UK



   


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Bob,
I am glad that it seems clear to you that these symptoms started after
a specific mold exposure. That is key to me.
Now you know what to work on to get better!
Go deep into research about how to remove
mold/mycoplasmic/fungus/bacteria infections from the body.
Go slow! The heavy metals and chemicals that the fungi/bacteria live
with/on will be released into the blood stream when you kill them off.
I can give you 100 things to do to avoid EMF radiation. I think the
best advice I could give is to figure out what went wrong in the first
place and work constantly on that.
Read Andy Cutler's book on Mercury Removal
Before you start anything, cleanse the colon and liver.
Then, have your mercury fillings removal by Huggins Protocol Dentist
(Option) Go slow with regular dosages of R-Alpha Lipoic Acid to remove
metals from brain (DMSA is also an option depending if you liver can
handle it).
I am sure there will be many recommendations from the group with
different angles, approaches, remedies.
A Homeopathic mold remedy may be all you need to feel better without
digging your whole life's garbage out of your bones, organs and
tissues.
Work with a kinesiologist or learn how to muscle test yourself.
all my best to you,
andrew (raleigh, nc)



On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, unclb1 wrote:

My son is a taxi driver. The cab has a 3G phone system which is his contact
with the office. It is on all the time . He also has a sat nav though I
don't know if that is a problem but I do know that the metal shell of the
car plus the 3G is a problem.
If you go online there are so many products that supposedly protect you from
EMF . My question is. Can anyone in the UK recommend any specific product to
help him. Are there any studies that show these products work? And are the
electrical fields given out by these protective products safe in themselves
Thanks for any help

Linda

> Can anyone in the UK recommend any specific product to
> help him.

Well, I'm not located in the UK, but I've certainly tried
a lot of the types of products you are talking about.

> Are there any studies that show these products work?

Some products do have studies which show that they work
(Q-Link, RA*D*AR card, etc), but frankly I think there
is no correlation between the best products and the
products which have studies. For example, the Q-Link
has studies but almost everyone agrees that it does
little to no good.

> the electrical fields given out by these protective products safe in
> themselves

Very few EMF devices actually produce electrical fields, but
your point is still valid -- are these things safe? I think
that depends on the person -- one person could have a great
response to a product that another person has a terrible
response.

Personally, I've had good responses to various products
at various times -- Quantum Companion, Springlife Lifeforce
Pendant polarizer, Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifie
personal polarizer, Mega-Chi pendant, Personal Rejuvenizer
pendant, Earthcalm Resonator, etc. Of course, trying
all of these items will cost a fair amount of money, but
many of them have money-back guarantees. Although if
if the person in question is not experiences any symptoms
of hypersensitivity, I'm not sure how they'd be able
to tell if something was helping!

Marc

I recommend you check out www.powerwatch.org.uk and www.emfields.org

I can be accused of being biased as I help run EMFields, but we only sell
equipment/screening materials we've tested and know work. I did write a huge
response to this but bloomin Outlook ate it!

As to the Q-link, here's what our technician had to say..

"I tested a Q-link classic SRT2 'every which way' a few years ago (including
wearing it first for three months - it did nothing for my ES symptoms). At
that time they advertised it with a super quantum microchip in the centre
(little black thing) - I see that is not there anymore in the SRT3 Q-link.
Anyway I tested it for resonances and fields and changes in energy levels
(nothing found) and then I dissected it. I found the coil of thin copper
wire was not connected to anything at either end. The black'chip' turned out
to be a standard 'zero ohm link' electronic component worth less than 1
penny and doing nothing at all (it is just a short-circuit). I found nothing
else of any value, including no sign of the SRT "cell".

Later I was sent a the Q-link "Ally" to test (which I still have). It
contained a standard computer memory chip that could never work as the
printed circuit board had been made "back to front" and all the connections
were wrong! The LED did flash from a cheap 555 timer chip which did work
inside the Ally. I believe that the Australian test results are due to them
running it from a mains power supply and the electric fields that generated,
not the supposd 'Ally fields'. Clarus would not fund the Australian
researchers (verbal information when I discussed their research with them)
to do a proper double-blind study (with some people using dummy Q-link
Ally's).

Sorry, but I would only get one if you like the aesthetics as a piece of
plastic jewelry. It is not a technological or scientific device in any
normally accepted sense, whatever they claim. It may have some new-age SRT
substance in it, but I didn't find any and it didn't work for me. When a
reputable UK bio-effects researcher, whom I know very well, offered to do a
proper study, Clarus first accepted and then refused when he explained that
it would have to be "double-blind" (I was told this by him and do not have
paperwork to prove this).

However, none of the Clarus research reports on their website are
"double-blind". The Q-link probably will have a positive placebo effect with
most people who believe that it will work. That is my view, for what it is
worth."

Sarah

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 28 April 2008 18:09
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] products in the UK



> Can anyone in the UK recommend any specific product to
> help him.

Well, I'm not located in the UK, but I've certainly tried
a lot of the types of products you are talking about.

> Are there any studies that show these products work?

Some products do have studies which show that they work
(Q-Link, RA*D*AR card, etc), but frankly I think there
is no correlation between the best products and the
products which have studies. For example, the Q-Link
has studies but almost everyone agrees that it does
little to no good.

> the electrical fields given out by these protective products safe in
> themselves

Very few EMF devices actually produce electrical fields, but
your point is still valid -- are these things safe? I think
that depends on the person -- one person could have a great
response to a product that another person has a terrible
response.

Personally, I've had good responses to various products
at various times -- Quantum Companion, Springlife Lifeforce
Pendant polarizer, Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifie
personal polarizer, Mega-Chi pendant, Personal Rejuvenizer
pendant, Earthcalm Resonator, etc. Of course, trying
all of these items will cost a fair amount of money, but
many of them have money-back guarantees. Although if
if the person in question is not experiences any symptoms
of hypersensitivity, I'm not sure how they'd be able
to tell if something was helping!

Marc





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> Anyway I tested it for resonances and fields and changes in energy levels
> (nothing found) and then I dissected it.

I always find it amusing when someone says that they took apart an EMF
protection device, and then concluded it was worthless because they
couldn't figure out how it worked. I mean really, if the person has
no clue as to how it works, then naturally they are going to conclude
that its a scam!

I took apart an Earthcalm Home unit, and could have come to the same
conclusions -- there was nothing inside that could possible do anything.
And yet, my ES told me that it was *obviously* doing something, and also
my cats were obviously affected. So it was doing something, but it
was not obvious what it was doing based on taking it apart.

Marc

Bear in mind this followed many calls to ask the people who sold the thing
"how" it worked, to be told about 5 different stories, all of which showed
that the person talking had no clue, and what they said was complete
nonsense!

Sarah

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 29 April 2008 17:56
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] products in the UK



> Anyway I tested it for resonances and fields and changes in energy levels
> (nothing found) and then I dissected it.

I always find it amusing when someone says that they took apart an EMF
protection device, and then concluded it was worthless because they
couldn't figure out how it worked. I mean really, if the person has
no clue as to how it works, then naturally they are going to conclude
that its a scam!

I took apart an Earthcalm Home unit, and could have come to the same
conclusions -- there was nothing inside that could possible do anything.
And yet, my ES told me that it was *obviously* doing something, and also
my cats were obviously affected. So it was doing something, but it
was not obvious what it was doing based on taking it apart.

Marc





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> Bear in mind this followed many calls to ask the people who sold the
> thing "how" it worked, to be told about 5 different stories, all of which
> showed that the person talking had no clue, and what they said was complete
> nonsense!

Ex-group member Vinny Pinto seemed to have knowledge of how the Q-Link
works, and has covered this on his coherentspace.com FAQ:

"the producers of the Clarus Q-Link pendants openly state on
their websites and in other informational media that their
pendants were designed to amplify the aura or biofield of
the person wearing the pendant, and thus they were programmed
or imprinted with that intention during the manufacturing/creation
process, and the producers of the Q-Link device have stated that
the Q-Link largely protects against harmful effects of EMF
simply by strengthening the wearer's biofield or aura."

Of course, if the Q-Link is primarily working via intention,
then taking one apart and analyzing it from an electronics
point of view will be a worthless assessment.

Now, if you had taken apart a Quantum Companion, perhaps this
would be more appropriate, as I believe that there are
electronics principles used in this:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

Also, I've found the Quantum Companion to be quite useful
for reducing ES symptoms, unlike the Q-Link, which I never
noticed much benefit at all.

Marc

> Ex-group member Vinny Pinto seemed to have knowledge of how the Q-Link
> works, and has covered this on his coherentspace.com FAQ:

By the way, if you'd like to read the full comments on Vinny comparing
the Q-Link to his prototype "coherent space" devices, the FAQ Q&A is
here:

http://www.coherentspace.info/faq.html#q14

Vinny's coherent space devices have much more effect on me than
the Q-Link, although he is adamant that his devices were not
designed for people with ES.

Marc

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply!It sounds as though you may be a little more
sensitive than me.I need to start detoxing and get more agressive
with my health which is the plan for 08.i find that if I use the
laptop with only the battery charge it helps as the reading goes down
to 1-5 intead of 20-30 and i seem to tlerate it more. I joined the
sauna detox group as well as the infrared sauna with the different
protocols from various doctors that are out there being used should
help me.

Good luck

Bob


--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 28/04/2008 03:58:18 GMT Standard Time,
callbobd@...  
> writes:
>
>  
> been sick a lot and I am just trying to get well and eliminate as
> many potential problems as i can.This is all new to me so I would
so worth  
> being cuatious with all electronics at close quarters, I am the
same with the  
> laptop, most probably you wont be able to get far eneough away from
it to avoid  
> effects, less effect often leads to more time spent on the laptop,
but same  
> effect in long term often worse as it creeps up on you. I have
spent nearly
> £2000 on a log cabin at end of my garden, I put a desk top PC in a  
cabinet
> outside and fitted keyboard and mouse on extension cables plus LCD  
screen 1.6m
> away but still I find the process of working on the PC an
aboration after a
> short time, little did I realise that at the end of my garden there
is more
> electrosmog than in my house, from wifi,dect phones, amatuer radio
ham and  
> goodness knows what else. I have no more ready cash to sheild the
cabin, and I
> doubt if that will be the top solution as the PC will still need to
be inside
> the sheilded room ! I have only been inside here now for the last  
1/2 hr and
> already I have a head full of histamine, sound sensitive and very  
agressive
> but curiously weak with it. Last time I spent 2 hrs in here I  
developed a
> zigzag oxcycetelene blue horseshoe shape thing in my left eye for
hours after -

Marc,

Thanks so much for your reply.I agree I need to go completely wired
again.I didnt notice any response fromn the meter around the modem so
I figured it wasnt able to measure this output. I still wonder which
is worse for me the regular emf from the appliances or the wireless
issues?? Does anyone know this???Im going to look into an IQ Air
purifier soon as i have issues with the ozone.Great ideas!!

Take Care,

Bob


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Bob writes:
> > Do I have to worry more about the wireless devices like
> > my modem, computer, and phone or do I have to be more concerned
with

Hi Andrew,

That was a lot of great information that I plan on studying and
using! The source is gone and now I just have to detox a bunch.I
joined the sauna detox and I plan to go to see Dr Shoemaker as soon
as I can as he seems to be the leader in mold and biotoxin sickness.I
have been looking into the mecury issue as I have a bunch of the old
fillings which have mecury in them.A Dr. Lisa Naggy who went through
similar mold and e- sensitivities actually told me she had the best
improvement once she replaced her old fillings so that is interesting
that you mentioned that too.You sound very knowledgeable about all of
this and I appreciate your direction.

Thanks again,

Bob



--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> I am glad that it seems clear to you that these symptoms started
after
> a specific mold exposure. That is key to me.
> Now you know what to work on to get better!
> Go deep into research about how to remove
> mold/mycoplasmic/fungus/bacteria infections from the body.
> Go slow! The heavy metals and chemicals that the fungi/bacteria
live
> with/on will be released into the blood stream when you kill them
off.
> I can give you 100 things to do to avoid EMF radiation. I think the
> best advice I could give is to figure out what went wrong in the
first
> place and work constantly on that.
> Read Andy Cutler's book on Mercury Removal
> Before you start anything, cleanse the colon and liver.
> Then, have your mercury fillings removal by Huggins Protocol Dentist
> (Option) Go slow with regular dosages of R-Alpha Lipoic Acid to
remove
> metals from brain (DMSA is also an option depending if you liver
can
> handle it).
> I am sure there will be many recommendations from the group with
> different angles, approaches, remedies.
> A Homeopathic mold remedy may be all you need to feel better
without me.I
> > had a bad exposure to mold from a home in Fla and It caused me to
> > have multiple chemical sensitivity. I bought a new laptop about a
> > year ago and it immediatly gave me reactions and brain fog
everytime
> > I used it.So i went out and bought a separate modem and keyboard
and
> > moved the laptop as far away as possible and it helped me a
bunch.I
> > then moved and have been using it by itself again and still notice
> > that I feel worse after using it each time.The room where I use it
> > also has a wireless modem and a few other electric appliances in
it.
> > I measured the emf, with a elf magnetic field meter? hand held
device
> > and found an alarm adapter plug with a 230 reading and a window
fan
> > with 150 and a phone electrical adapter with a 150 reading and my
> > computer which I spend 4-8 hours a day on approximately 1 foot
away
> > from me with a 25-30, tv says 40, an switch outlet 3 ft from my
head
> > says 15 or so.Do I have to worry more about the wireless devices
like
> > my modem, computer, and phone or do I have to be more concerned
with
> > my emf readings or none of this? Does the device measure the
wireless
> > signals part? I dont think so?I do realize that the laptop is
made of
> > a bunch of toxic chems that i am allergic to so it is confusing to
> > me.Ive been trying to eliminate and turn off move as many things
as I
> > can but at this point the cordless phone at 150 has to stay.I have
> > been sick a lot and I am just trying to get well and eliminate as
> > many potential problems as i can.This is all new to me so I would
so