effect of others' energy

Regarding a recent discussion here... It is definitely possible for
very ill people to drain energy from other people. Some people are such
"energy vacuum cleaners" they do it even they are not ill. We all know a few of
these people. After a while you flinch when you see them coming, because
you know that when they walk away they will be feeling better and you be feeling
a bit drained.

I know of a Native American medicine man who has taught his students
that they should not work with people who have had chemotherapy, because they
themselves will be so severely affected.

I have had two personal experiences while working with people who had
chemo.
First experience: I was giving a Polarity session to a woman who had
had chemo for breast cancer, and when I began to work in the area where the
chemo had been given, I became suddenly and unexpectedly weak. I actually
went right down from a standing position to my knees, and felt as if I had been
instantly drained of energy.
Second experience: After the first experience I never again did Polarity
work with anyone who had had chemo. However, one day I went to the home of
someone who had just begun chemo the day before, to make lunch for her,
because she was feeling really sick and had no help at home. When I was about to
leave she called me over to give me a hug, and it was the same thing again.

With some trepidation, I mentioned this to a M.D. but he was not at all
surprised. He told me that it is not unusual for nurses to suddenly
collapse like that when handling "far gone" cancer patients. Sometimes the nurses
actually pass out, he said. He also said that particular patients had had
that effect on not just one but on several nurses.

Regards,
Shivani


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Hi Shavani,

I first learned about energy vampires from a woman who did a few massages on me. she was not my regular masseuse, but one assigned to me. She told me
about energy Vampires. I don't know, even now, if she knew that she was one.
I would come in feeling fine and leave feeling drained and really awful. After she
told me about energy vampires, and I realized that she was one, I never went back to her.
When I did energy work myself, I had to quit because I was too sensitive. I would
pick up energy from the sick ones and...the client would leave feeling fine, but
I would have to spend more money than I made getting fixed up myself. I didn't
know at the time that I could refuse to treat a person.

The best Chiropractor I ever knew had to quit his practice for the same reason.
I still do energy work all of the time, but not as a profession. I am muchmore
careful who I work with, and have gotten much better at protecting myself. I have a dear friend who does energy work as a profession, and she calls me fairly regularly to help her remove the negative energy she has picked upfrom a client.  

It makes sense that anything that is as life destructive as Chemotherapy would cause severe energy problems. I am convinced that a lot more people die from the Chemo than from cancer.

Best Regard,
Phyllicia


[hidden email] wrote: Regarding a recent discussion here... It is definitely possible for
very ill people to drain energy from other people. Some people are such
"energy vacuum cleaners" they do it even they are not ill. We all know a few of
these people. After a while you flinch when you see them coming, because
you know that when they walk away they will be feeling better and you be feeling
a bit drained.
 
I know of a Native American medicine man who has taught his students
that they should not work with people who have had chemotherapy, because they
themselves will be so severely affected.
 
I have had two personal experiences while working with people who had
chemo.    
First experience: I was giving a Polarity session to a woman who had
had chemo for breast cancer, and when I began to work in the area where the
chemo had been given, I became suddenly and unexpectedly weak. I actually
went right down from a standing position to my knees, and felt as if I hadbeen
instantly drained of energy.
Second experience: After the first experience I never again did Polarity
work with anyone who had had chemo. However, one day I went to the home of
someone who had just begun chemo the day before, to make lunch for her,
because she was feeling really sick and had no help at home. When I was about to
leave she called me over to give me a hug, and it was the same thing again.
 
With some trepidation, I mentioned this to a M.D. but he was not at all
surprised. He told me that it is not unusual for nurses to suddenly
collapse like that when handling "far gone" cancer patients. Sometimes the nurses
actually pass out, he said. He also said that particular patients had had
that effect on not just one but on several nurses.
 
Regards,
Shivani
 
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Hi Phyllicia and Shivani,

Have either of you found methods like the one Gilligan mentioned
recently to restore and protect yourself from this type of
circumstance? If so, would you mind sharing them and how effective
have they been for you?

Thanks,
Beau

--- In [hidden email], Phyllicia Hutchinson <phylliciah@...> wrote:
Re: [eSens] effect of others' energy

Hi Shavani,

I first learned about energy vampires from a woman who did a few
massages on me.she was not my regular masseuse, but one assigned to
me. She told meabout energy Vampires. I don't know, even now, if she
knew that she was one.I would come in feeling fine and leave feeling
drained and really awful. Aftershetold me about energy vampires, and I
realized that she was one, I never wentback to her.When I did energy
work myself, I had to quit because I was too sensitive. Iwouldpick up
energy from the sick ones and...the client would leave feeling
fine,butI would have to spend more money than I made getting fixed up
myself. I didn'tknow at the time that I could refuse to treat a person.

The best Chiropractor I ever knew had to quit his practice for the
same reason.I still do energy work all of the time, but not as a
profession. I am much morecareful who I work with, and have gotten
much better at protecting myself. Ihave a dear friend who does energy
work as a profession, and she calls me fairlyregularly to help her
remove the negative energy she has picked up from a client.

It makes sense that anything that is as life destructive as
Chemotherapy wouldcause severe energy problems. I am convinced that a
lot more people die fromthe Chemo than from cancer.

Best Regard,
Phyllicia


SArjuna@... wrote: Regarding a recentdiscussion here... It is
definitely possible forvery ill people to drain energy from other
people. Some people are such"energy vacuum cleaners" they do it even
they are not ill. We all know a fewofthese people. After a while you
flinch when you see them coming, becauseyou know that when they walk
away they will be feeling better and you befeelinga bit drained.

I know of a Native American medicine man who has taught his
studentsthat they should not work with people who have had
chemotherapy, because theythemselves will be so severely affected.

I have had two personal experiences while working with people who
hadchemo.First experience: I was giving a Polarity session to a woman
who hadhad chemo for breast cancer, and when I began to work in the
area where thechemo had been given, I became suddenly and unexpectedly
weak. I actuallywent right down from a standing position to my knees,
and felt as if I had beeninstantly drained of energy.Second
experience: After the first experience I never again did Polaritywork
with anyone who had had chemo. However, one day I went to the home
ofsomeone who had just begun chemo the day before, to make lunch for
her,because she was feeling really sick and had no help at home. When
I was abouttoleave she called me over to give me a hug, and it was the
same thing again.

With some trepidation, I mentioned this to a M.D. but he was not at
allsurprised. He told me that it is not unusual for nurses to
suddenlycollapse like that when handling "far gone" cancer patients.
Sometimes thenursesactually pass out, he said. He also said that
particular patients had hadthat effect on not just one but on several
nurses.

Regards,
Shivani

Sorry to jump in here, but I don't remember suggesting any methods to
"protect" one from energy vampires. When I was getting sick from
developmentally disabled people, I knew I had to get away from them
and stay away from them.

My nervous system is stronger as a result of the work I have done, and
I am free from electrical sensitivity, but I think it would be very
difficult to prevent myself from being energetically drained by
others. I think because my life force is stronger and my health is
much better now than it was in 2002, I might not feel as sick from
being around developmentally disabled people as I was in 2002. But I
expect that if I was around developmentally disabled people again,
they would drain the same amound of energy from me as they did before.

I think that some people working in the mental health field have
somehow put up energetic "walls" to prevent this sort of energy drain
from happening. In my case, I'm just too empathetic to be around
developmentally disabled people.

Gilligan

Hi Gilligan,

The link you posted in eSens message #7527,

http://www.llewellynjournal.com/article/513

discusses this thread's topic and related protection techniques. As
you shared the link at the end of December, I thought it only fair to
reference you as recently mentioning material similar and potentially
applicable to our current discussion. It wasn't my intent to imply
you suggested the use of the listed protection techniques, but I did
think you knew of them since you shared the link and I wanted to give
you what I thought was appropriate credit in mentioning them. And
thanks for that link, it is informative!

Beau

--- In [hidden email], "gilligan_joy" <gjoy97@...> wrote:

Yes, Beau, you are right, the article mentions some protection
techniques for psychic vampirism. However, I never used any of them.
Avoidance is what I needed.

The "finger lock" technique has two parts:
(1) Affirmation
(2) Finger Interock

I think it works by using mental power as a form of protection. If
your faith is very strong, then this technique might actually work for
you, but you must have a strong mind. When I was getting sick from
developmentally disabled people, my mind was weak also. I have a weak
mind even now: my biggest challenge right now is obsessions, and they
are due to a weak and fearful mind.

I think the Finger Interlock acts as a conscious trigger (by
association) of the thoughtform created by the affirmation. Sort of
like Pavlov's dog salivating when the bell rings, even when there is
no food offered to the dog.

The "crystal protection procedure" also depends upon thought as a form
of protection. The crystal is programmed with the mind, and the
crystal holds the thoughtform for as long as the program remains.
Quartz crystals are also known to be amplifiers, so a quartz crystal
may amplify the protection thoughtform that is programmed into the
crystal. However, people with electrical sensitivity will probably get
sick from using crystals because they emit a significant amount of
subtle energy.

I don't mind you referencing my post.

Thank you,
Gilligan

----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy


I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground currents go to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to the substation. But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod under the surfacebefore those currents do not effect the grounding rod? Has then ever beenstudied that you know of?

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Hi Beau and Gilligan,

I don't know if I could be protected from the energy of the really sick, demonic ones even now. Like Gilligan I do my best to stay away from them, and out of the energy fields. I realize that I am a very sensitive person, and I read energy fields, so if it is bad at first glance I don't go into the energy. If a person really wants to change, then I can sometimes help, yet, while staying distant from the energy itself by choice. I rarely get blind sided and sucked in that kind of energy field anymore.

Best Regards,
Phyllicia

Also, Like Gilligan, I have cured my electro sensitivity by a lot of work in my own
energy field and inner being, spiritual, emotional and physical. I have spent a lot
of time and energy building up my immune system, and using
intuitive ways to neutralize negative electricity in my own home, such as,the batteries I use on TV, computer, appliances and such, and rare earth magnets on cell phones, portable phone, etc.  


gilligan_joy <[hidden email]> wrote: >
> Hi Phyllicia and Shivani,
>
> Have either of you found methods like the one Gilligan mentioned
> recently to restore and protect yourself from this type of
> circumstance? If so, would you mind sharing them and how effective
> have they been for you?
>
> Thanks,
> Beau
 
Sorry to jump in here, but I don't remember suggesting any methods to
"protect" one from energy vampires. When I was getting sick from
developmentally disabled people, I knew I had to get away from them
and stay away from them.
 
My nervous system is stronger as a result of the work I have done, and
I am free from electrical sensitivity, but I think it would be very
difficult to prevent myself from being energetically drained by
others. I think because my life force is stronger and my health is
much better now than it was in 2002, I might not feel as sick from
being around developmentally disabled people as I was in 2002. But I
expect that if I was around developmentally disabled people again,
they would drain the same amound of energy from me as they did before.
 
I think that some people working in the mental health field have
somehow put up energetic "walls" to prevent this sort of energy drain
from happening. In my case, I'm just too empathetic to be around
developmentally disabled people.
 
Gilligan
 
 
     
                       

 
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--- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
>Hi Denom,

I was blown away when I read that you had buried your grounding
stake eight feet deep. From all I have read on the subject, the free
electrons are quite close to the surface of the Earth. The
grounding stake that came with the expensive mattress pad I bought
was 1 foot long.  

We attached the grounding wire to our regular mattress pad and sheet.
We lent out our expensive mattress pad, so we rigged up attachments
to the grounding wire and to our regular mattress pad and bottom sheet
with an alligator clip, as you first suggested, and some connector's
that we bought at Radio Shack.  

We have grounded our whole mattress in this way. It is more
powerful than the expensive carbon fiber mattress pad that we
plugged into the grounding post in the wall socket. I am totally
convinced that a special grounding pad or conductive sheet is
totally unnecessary. I just grounded our guest room mattress pad
and sheet with a very simple grounding wire that I attached to
the mattress pad and sheet with an alligator clip and plug with
only the grounding post on it. I paid $8.50 for it including
shipping. I believe one could make the same thing for about $2.00.
Our guest said that she slept very well and woke up refreshed.

When we grounded our mattress pad and sheet,we placed the stake
attached to the grounding wire in a sunny location outside of our
bedroom window. It was a place that had green grass. I figured that
the sun helps to provide the free electrons on and in the Earth.

I am going to answer your other questions in another longer post.
I'm sorry that I didn't answer your questions sooner but I have had
out of town company.
Best Regards,
Phyllicia


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SArjuna@...
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
> Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy
>
>
> I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground
currents go to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to
the substation. But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod
under the surface before those currents do not effect the grounding
rod? Has then ever been studied that you know of?
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Hi again Denom,

I just realized that it wasn't you who put the eight foot grounding stake into the ground. I apologize that I responded to the wrong person. I did mean to respond to your question about how deep the free electrons go. I think that I answered that question. I am the one who started this whole discussion about sleeping
earthed. I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that my husband and I are getting.

Sorry for the mistake,
Best Regards, Phyllicia

denom <[hidden email]> wrote:  
----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy
 
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Yes Phyllicia, it was me. I didn't put the grounding rod eight feet into the ground. But it was an eight foot long grounding rod that I pounded into the ground. I didn't want the top part of the rod sticking above ground because then it would be exposed to all the bad frequencies that are being put into the atmosphere. So I dug a hole about a foot deep and pounded it down into the hole. I then placed some velostat on top of it to block microwaves, hopefully, from the atmosphere. I used some CB radio antennnae that is somewhat shielded. I was thinking of using some quad shielded cable and redoing the whole thing. I wondered though if I got the stake deep enough into the ground to avoid the ground currents making their way back to the electrical substations. I did not use Velostat on the bed. I used some material from walmart that is 51 percent metallic. I safety pinned it to the top sheet. I slept on it for the first time last night. It has made a believer out of me. I also have a magnetic mattress that is under the sheets. Both the magnetic mattress and the grounded sheets feel so good and I felt so good when I got up. Thanks for the tip.



----- Original Message -----
From: Phyllicia Hutchinson
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Question to SArjuna/Shivani


Hi again Denom,

I just realized that it wasn't you who put the eight foot grounding stake into the ground. I apologize that I responded to the wrong person. I did mean to respond to your question about how deep the free electrons go. I think that I answered that question. I am the one who started this whole discussion about sleeping
earthed. I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that my husband and I are getting.

Sorry for the mistake,
Best Regards, Phyllicia

denom <[hidden email]> wrote:
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From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy

I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground currents go to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to the substation. But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod under the surface before those currents do not effect the grounding rod? Has then ever been studied that you know of?

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--Hi again Denom,
Okay, so who is Quaixemen? Is that you too?
I am glad your system is working so well for you. Apparently
about one foot into the soil is adequate.
I never thought about blocking the negative energies from cell
towers and the like. I live in the country, so that is not a
problem for me at this time. You are probably onto something
other people should think about. The grounding stake that we
put into the ground has a plastic cover over the top of it. That
is the part that sticks up above the ground. The stake itself
is totally in the earth.
Best Regards,
Phyllicia

In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Phyllicia, it was me. I didn't put the grounding rod eight feet
into the ground. But it was an eight foot long grounding rod that I
pounded into the ground. I didn't want the top part of the rod
sticking above ground because then it would be exposed to all the bad
frequencies that are being put into the atmosphere. So I dug a hole
about a foot deep and pounded it down into the hole. I then placed
some velostat on top of it to block microwaves, hopefully, from the
atmosphere. I used some CB radio antennnae that is somewhat shielded.
I was thinking of using some quad shielded cable and redoing the
whole thing. I wondered though if I got the stake deep enough into
the ground to avoid the ground currents making their way back to the
electrical substations. I did not use Velostat on the bed. I used
some material from walmart that is 51 percent metallic. I safety
pinned it to the top sheet. I slept on it for the first time last
night. It has made a believer out of me. I also have a magnetic
mattress that is under the sheets. Both the magnetic mattress and the
grounded sheets feel so good and I felt so good when I got up. Thanks
for the tip. grounding stake into the ground. I apologize that I responded to the
wrong person. I did mean to respond to your question about how deep
the free electrons go. I think that I answered that question. I am the
one who started this whole discussion about sleeping
> earthed. I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that
my husband and I are getting. currents go to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to
the substation. But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod
under the surface before those currents do not effect the grounding
rod? Has then ever been studied that you know of? your question on Yahoo! Answers.
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I found the following on yesterday's digest:

From: [hidden email]
"To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy

I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground currents go
to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to the substation. But
how far would you have to bury a grounding rod under the surface before those
currents do not effect the grounding rod? Has then ever been studied that you
know of?"

I did not send the above message, asking about depth of ground
currents.
I will comment, however, Burying the rod deeply will not prevent it
from picking up ground current. A rod can conduct electricity in either
direction. If there is high-frequency ground current in the area where you put
the rod, you are very likely to bring that back into your house via the ground
rod and wire you have attached to it. This has happened to many people.
In each case, one has to test. If you don't have the equipment to do
this, then you yourself become the equipment. Do you feel worse, or better?
Also, be aware that your grounding rod situation may change at some
point, due to changes in weather (wetter, dryer ground), other local electrical
installations, changes in the quality of the electrical loads in your area....
Thus, even if you are fortunate enough to have obtained a clean ground
today, you cannot presume it will remain so. If your rod presents to ground
current the path with least resistance, you will have flow into the house from it.
There has been some study of the depth at which ground currents flow,
but I cannot tell you where I read it. Perhaps one of the researchers merely
told me about it. Current can flow 50 feet under the surface, if I recall
correctly. Again, where it actually will flow will depend on local
conditions. If there is underground water, for instance, that makes an excellent
pathway.
Regards,
Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com



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