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Melissa,


"I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most."  

The above has also been my experience, speaking of both my daughter and myself.
It doesn't mean we don't react to all of it, but the original over exposure trigger
seems to trigger the most severe symptoms, or immediate reactions. It's interesting to work
closely with two different triggers. (not by choice)
My daughter's case involved sleeping too close to the wifi router. She reacted severely to
cell phnes/towers/ wifi. She could feel a cell tower while we were on the road, long before
we could see it. And passing cars (cell phone users) used to made her burn.

I slept over very high ele and high magnetic fields. Today, when I am in a building with
high ele and magnetic fields - my hearing turns itself down. But I can run errands,
be in high cell tower areas, in crowds, and I don't have that happen. What I do get
is the delayed fatigue, two days later.
Lizzie
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      I don't find it bizarre that a person is more affected by one device over another. If we reacted the same then every person would be in bed and suffering from electrosmog like me. Instead we are all different and affected differently by frequencies, intensities, and the patterns.



I am affected more by wireless while a friend is more affected by the low level EMFs. I am more affected by "spiky" wireless while she appears to be more affected by intensity.



I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most.  



My meter goes from 100 MHz to 8 GHz and has audio. Due to Smart Meters I sleep in my car every night in the same parking spot because it is the best place I can find for lower levels of wireless. So I am used to what bombards that parking spot. A couple of days ago I felt great pain and it didn't make sense so I turned on my meter. It registered hardly anything, but the audio sounded like a battlefield—a combination of sounds which I had not heard before.



Was my meter's audio picking up a frequency that wasn't measured by the non-audio part of the meter? Or was it a subtle frequency with a different pattern? I don't know.

       

I talked to an engineer/expert in the field a few weeks ago. When we talked about grounding and mentioned how it is up to electricity to decide whether it goes to ground or gets tossed into the air--he mentioned another level of knowledge which is beyond him. We are victims of complex subject with massive unknowns!





   
     

   
   






       

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Perhaps some people aren't as tech-savvy.

bioboiy1982 wrote thus at 23:05 01/05/2012:

This is true. What might be obvious to a veteran of ES
isn't always obvious to someone else.
Lizzie

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bioboiy1982 wrote thus at 23:05 01/05/2012:

>Any rational person with EMF sensitivity would have this turned off tho, so it's kind of a non-issue.

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>> That seems to be the most probable reason.

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>> charles wrote thus at 22:04 30/04/2012:

>> >Kindle 3G means that it is supporting 3G, or UMTS, which radiates at 2150MHz.

>> >With any good HF meter can this be checked.

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>> >Greetings,

>> >Charles Claessens

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melissascotthasmail wrote thus at 03:17 02/05/2012:
>I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most.

That's my experience. It's like being hit on a wound.


>My meter goes from 100 MHz to 8 GHz and has audio. Due to Smart Meters I sleep in my car every night in the same parking spot because it is the best place I can find for lower levels of wireless. So I am used to what bombards that parking spot. A couple of days ago I felt great pain and it didn't make sense so I turned on my meter. It registered hardly anything, but the audio sounded like a battlefield—a combination of sounds which I had not heard before.
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>Was my meter's audio picking up a frequency that wasn't measured by the non-audio part of the meter? Or was it a subtle frequency with a different pattern? I don't know.

That's my experience too with Cornet ED-7. Even when it shows visually as lowest, when there is a constant stream of "hard" digital signals, it goes something like kek-kek-kek-kek-kek-kek-kek-kek. (Is that what you mean by "battlefield"?) That kind is disturbing for me even at low levels.



peace

Kumâra Bhikkhu

We have labor saving devices, such as the computer, but I don't know of anyone who worked less since they got their computers. — Jack Kornfield

Hey Lizzie,
 
I'm trying to send your email address a couple of links and mine haven't gone through.  Have you gotten the ones that I've sent you?  Please let me know... this seems strange to me.  Maybe the system is slow.
 
Pam


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Melissa,


"I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most." 

The above has also been my experience, speaking of both my daughter and myself.
It doesn't mean we don't react to all of it, but the original over exposure trigger
seems to trigger the most severe symptoms, or immediate reactions. It's interesting to work
closely with two different triggers. (not by choice)
My daughter's case involved sleeping too close to the wifi router. She reacted severely to
cell phnes/towers/ wifi. She could feel a cell tower while we were on the road, long before
we could see it. And passing cars (cell phone users) used to made her burn.

I slept over very high ele and high magnetic fields. Today, when I am in a building with
high ele and magnetic fields - my hearing turns itself down. But I can run errands,
be in high cell tower areas, in crowds, and I don't have that happen. What I do get
is the delayed fatigue, two days later.
Lizzie
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      I don't find it bizarre that a person is more affected by one device over another. If we reacted the same then every person would be in bed and suffering from electrosmog like me. Instead we are all different and affected differently by frequencies, intensities, and the patterns.



I am affected more by wireless while a friend is more affected by the low level EMFs. I am more affected by "spiky" wireless while she appears to be more affected by intensity.



I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most. 



My meter goes from 100 MHz to 8 GHz and has audio. Due to Smart Meters I sleep in my car every night in the same parking spot because it is the best place I can find for lower levels of wireless. So I am used to what bombards that parking spot. A couple of days ago I felt great pain and it didn't make sense so I turned on my meter. It registered hardly anything, but the audio sounded like a battlefield—a combination of sounds which I had not heard before.



Was my meter's audio picking up a frequency that wasn't measured by the non-audio part of the meter? Or was it a subtle frequency with a different pattern? I don't know.

   

I talked to an engineer/expert in the field a few weeks ago. When we talked about grounding and mentioned how it is up to electricity to decide whether it goes to ground or gets tossed into the air--he mentioned another level of knowledge which is beyond him. We are victims of complex subject with massive unknowns!





   
     

   
   






                            

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> I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most.  

I don't know about that... these days some of the most problematic
things I've encountered are iPhones, Kindles, and Blu-ray players.  
And my previous exposures to these things were all zero.  :-)

Marc

This would be an interesting study, wouldn't it?
Finding out if there are any common denominators, triggers.
I'd be curious to know what you believe your trigger was; and if it shares
any thing in common with the frequencies or modulations of Iphones/ Kindles/ or
blue ray players. I would also factor in the petro chemicals from these above
products as well. Many if not most of the products made contain nasty chemicals,
and the out gassing is horrendous for some.
Lizzie

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I don't know about that... these days some of the most problematic

things I've encountered are iPhones, Kindles, and Blu-ray players.  

And my previous exposures to these things were all zero.  :-)



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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At the time (which was 12 years ago), I was blaming
computer monitors & florescent lights, but I also know
that we got high speed internet access around then
(DSL), and I also I had been taking a lot of antibiotics
for sinus problems...

... certainly this was before the proliferation in wi-fi,
Smart Phones, etc., and we didn't have cordless
or cellphones, although I'm sure the neighbors did...

Marc



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So was the DSL over the telephone line?

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computer monitors & florescent lights, but I also know

that we got high speed internet access around then

(DSL), and I also I had been taking a lot of antibiotics

for sinus problems...



... certainly this was before the proliferation in wi-fi,

Smart Phones, etc., and we didn't have cordless

or cellphones, although I'm sure the neighbors did...



Marc



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> So was the DSL over the telephone line?

Yes, and it pollutes all of the telephone wiring in the house.
Although fortunately, if you turn your computers off, the DSL
automatically shuts off until it is needed again.

Marc

Does this work the opposite way too? If you unplug the phone? No it must not,
if that were the case, you wouldn't get any emails. Interesting.
Hmm...so there was the dirty electricity- creating all sorts of havoc with the body,
 the use of anti biotics
which knocked out the flora balance in the digestive system- or simply, kills all the good
bacteria in the gut, setting up the domino effect for candida/yeast imbalance.
And were mercury silver fillings in the picture? I read that the vapor from mercury
released feeds on candida.
And if memory serves me right, your wiring was done safely, correct?
This DSL cannot be shielded? Is that why you did ended up using a filter system?
Lizzie
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Yes, and it pollutes all of the telephone wiring in the house.

Although fortunately, if you turn your computers off, the DSL

automatically shuts off until it is needed again.



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> Does this work the opposite way too? If you unplug the phone? No it must not,
> if that were the case, you wouldn't get any emails.

No, unplugging phones in the house doesn't impact the DSL connection.
Although unplugging the phone line to the DSL modem does.  :-)

> And were mercury silver fillings in the picture?

Yes, I still had mercury fillings back then.

> And if memory serves me right, your wiring was done safely, correct?

That was a previous house, but yes, I believe the wiring was
okay in that house as well.

> This DSL cannot be shielded? Is that why you did ended up using a filter system?

Well, the phone lines in the house (within the walls) aren't shielded.  Cable TV
wiring is shielded, although I had a worse reaction to Internet via cable than
I did to DSL over the phone lines (but that could have been due to other
factors).

Not sure what filter system you are referring to?  

Marc

The plug in strips-the power strips.

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No, unplugging phones in the house doesn't impact the DSL connection.

Although unplugging the phone line to the DSL modem does.  :-)



> And were mercury silver fillings in the picture?



Yes, I still had mercury fillings back then.



> And if memory serves me right, your wiring was done safely, correct?



That was a previous house, but yes, I believe the wiring was

okay in that house as well.



> This DSL cannot be shielded? Is that why you did ended up using a filter system?



Well, the phone lines in the house (within the walls) aren't shielded.  Cable TV

wiring is shielded, although I had a worse reaction to Internet via cable than

I did to DSL over the phone lines (but that could have been due to other

factors).



Not sure what filter system you are referring to?  



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> The plug in strips-the power strips.

Oh, well those were not specifically for DSL.  All sorts of electronics
dump noise onto the power lines (computers, TVs, fans, refrigerators,
etc.), so the power strips get rid of some of that noise.

Marc

Right, but they also filter out the dirty electricity-period.
they help clean up the power, so to speak?

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dump noise onto the power lines (computers, TVs, fans, refrigerators,

etc.), so the power strips get rid of some of that noise.



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When I commented on this, I was not talking about specific products but type of agent. This body of mine was pretty severely damaged by digital RF, so now it's really sensitive to that. ELF affects me too, but not as much.

Marc Martin wrote thus at 03:45 03/05/2012:
>> I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most.  
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>I don't know about that... these days some of the most problematic
>things I've encountered are iPhones, Kindles, and Blu-ray players.  
>And my previous exposures to these things were all zero.  :-)
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>Marc

I used to use a ThinkPad too, and yes it's quite tolerable. I think more work was done on design to reduce wastage of energy. It's still working, but is on WinMe, and it can't take enough RAM to be used with XP. So got to give it up.

Now I'm using an Acer. Not so good. I think it's almost in the same level as Dell. Someone gave me a Samsung netbook, which I thought would be better as it consumes less power. That might be correct for ELF, but for some strange reason it emits some RF even with wireless connection disabled. Moving the mouse (wired USB) increases the emission. OK if I use it for a short while, but I get pretty tense after prolong use. Covering up the "keyboard area" and using an external keyboard instead makes it more tolerable.

It seems most new notebooks, especially the cheap ones with high sales volume, are not well designed for people like us.

kb

Marc Martin wrote thus at 13:25 30/04/2012:

I have been thinking lately that the signals are worse when they are actually transmitting data (noise). I notice in certain places, like library, if kids are there using a game for example when things are being transmitted back and forth the feeling is much stronger, or when people's phones are sending, etc.

Like the microwave itself is a string, and then when it's active with data, the data attached to the string are like barnacles, and all that is going through you too, making it that much worse.

I saw an article somewhere recently that some product is being developed, I think like a step up from Kinect, that will use you as the circuit connection to send info. You are holding whatever device, the radiation travels through you (which we already know), and then you touch the other part of the thing (sorry, can't remember exactly) and it transmits the data to that object. Like you see a sound file on your pc, you touch that file, touch the radio receiver with your other hand, and you hear it coming out the speakers, it worked something like that. So, they do know this stuff travels through you.

Maybe I'll be able to find the article again sometime.

~ Snoshoe

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