e-readers

Then it's either Kindle Touch, or Kindle 4.
I don't think you've mentioned how it bothers you yet. What's the symptom?

Can you please let the email program quote the mail you're replying to? At least the last mail.

[hidden email] wrote thus at 11:45 27/04/2012:
>Definitely gray scale.  Operated by touching the  screen.  As for WiFi or
>3G I'd have to go back to the library to check that  out.  But, I thought
>that  getting it from the library, in other words  out gassed and used would be
>more tolerable for me.  It wasn't.  I was  very disappointed.
>
>
>Estelle

Why the cellophane?


/anders

bioboiy1982 skrev 2012-04-28 00:46:

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Thanks Marc.

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The symptoms I get are tingling sensations that go up my arms,  trembling
hands.  
 
 
Estelle

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I have yet to test a kindle but I did test an iPad and you can see what levels of radiation I got on my youtube site EMFWATCH. I'll try to get some of these E  book devices to test in the future.

--- In [hidden email], Kumara Bhikkhu <kumara.bhikkhu@...> wrote:

Then it is strange that you said you're okay with laptops.

[hidden email] wrote thus at 00:13 29/04/2012:
>The symptoms I get are tingling sensations that go up my arms,  trembling
>hands.  
>
>
>Estelle

On April 29, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Then it is strange that you said you're okay with laptops.
>
> [hidden email] wrote thus at 00:13 29/04/2012:
> >The symptoms I get are tingling sensations that go up my arms,  trembling
> >hands.  

There is a large variation in laptops in terms of their
"tolerability" -- at least in my experience.  I own laptops
that are far more tolerable to me than the Kindle 3G.

Marc

I hear you, Marc.  My fail safe is why irradiate the air listening to music via a cell phone.  When there are still USB only music devices and the same with the books.  People are using their eyes to read while irradiating the environment unnecessarily-- simultaneously unaware that the eyes as well as the testicles are the least protected from the microwaves being generated.  So people may very well be increasing their risk of developing eye problems like cataracts and ca in the future. Medical science is so far behind the times now it may as well be practiced in a cave.
 
Marc, do you know of any companies that may sell protective eyewear (ie. goggles) for shielding the eyes against microwaves?  I see that these exist for ionizing forms of radiation but haven't found any for microwaves.  I get a lot of eye burning at different times and places.  It would be great if I could pull out my handy dandy goggles and get some real relief.  Perhaps the more inventive of our tribe could invent some.
 
Thank you always,
Pam

--- On Fri, 4/27/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] e-readers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 5:16 PM



 



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu wrote:
> Screen in full colour or grey-scale?
> Operating by touching the screen, or physical keyboard?
> WiFi or 3G (look for sign at top right corner) on or off?

The Kindle 3G that I found intolerable was what I assume
is the best case situation:

-- grayscale screen
-- physical keyboard
-- wireless off

I'll stick to books... or printouts of e-books.

Marc







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On April 29, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc, do you know of any companies that may sell protective eyewear
> (ie. goggles) for shielding the eyes against microwaves? 

I don't know, but I do know that LessEMF sells shielding materials
that are close to being transparent, so you might be able to make
something by taping the shielding material onto a regular
pair of goggles.

Of course, the microwaves will still be getting to you from all
other sides of your head/body, so it might not make much
difference...

Marc

 Hi Pam,
With regard to the statement you made:
So people may very well be increasing their risk of developing eye problems like cataracts and ca in the future.
Interestingly enough, I just read in a Russian study, done back in the40's- 50's?, that they KNEW micro wave radiation caused cataracts.
I"d like to see a graph or chart, that lists all of these wireless/micro wave radiation effects, that shows how the rates of these conditions/diseases, ect have soared,
right along with the numbers of cell phone users/towers/wifi/ ect.
I'm thinking we'd see a very damning correlation. I also bet there'd show a huge increase in the need for eyeglasses, because vision can be and often is, related to thyroid, and there is more then strong suspicion-that the thyroid takes a hit from micro wave radiation.
Wonder if they make these kinds of protective eye glass wear in Russia, since they are so very far ahead of the us.
I did, at one time, take an old pair of those really big kind of hollywood sunglasses, and glued the high performance silver fabric, attaching the glue at  the frames, for my daughter.
I had a find a pair that weren't the dark ones though...other wise visibility wouldn't have been very good.
Lizzie
To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:16:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] e-readers
















 



 


   
     
     
      I hear you, Marc.  My fail safe is why irradiate the air listening to music via a cell phone.  When there are still USB only music devices and the same with the books.  People are using their eyes to read while irradiating the environment unnecessarily-- simultaneously unaware that the eyes as well as the testicles are the least protected from the microwaves being generated.  So people may very well be increasing their risk of developing eye problems like cataracts and ca in the future. Medical science is so far behind the times now it may as well be practiced in a cave.

 

Marc, do you know of any companies that may sell protective eyewear (ie. goggles) for shielding the eyes against microwaves?  I see that these exist for ionizing forms of radiation but haven't found any for microwaves.  I get a lot of eye burning at different times and places.  It would be great if I could pull out my handy dandy goggles and get some real relief.  Perhaps the more inventive of our tribe could invent some.

 

Thank you always,

Pam



--- On Fri, 4/27/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] e-readers

To: [hidden email]

Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 5:16 PM



 



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu wrote:

> Screen in full colour or grey-scale?

> Operating by touching the screen, or physical keyboard?

> WiFi or 3G (look for sign at top right corner) on or off?



The Kindle 3G that I found intolerable was what I assume

is the best case situation:



-- grayscale screen

-- physical keyboard

-- wireless off



I'll stick to books... or printouts of e-books.



Marc



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true...but on the flip side -it might reduce the effect enough to protect the eyes, as they are mostly water.
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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:22:32 -0700
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      On April 29, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Marc, do you know of any companies that may sell protective eyewear

> (ie. goggles) for shielding the eyes against microwaves?  



I don't know, but I do know that LessEMF sells shielding materials

that are close to being transparent, so you might be able to make

something by taping the shielding material onto a regular

pair of goggles.



Of course, the microwaves will still be getting to you from all

other sides of your head/body, so it might not make much

difference...



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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Ahh yes!


--- On Sun, 4/29/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] e-readers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 12:22 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
      On April 29, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Marc, do you know of any companies that may sell protective eyewear

> (ie. goggles) for shielding the eyes against microwaves? 



I don't know, but I do know that LessEMF sells shielding materials

that are close to being transparent, so you might be able to make

something by taping the shielding material onto a regular

pair of goggles.



Of course, the microwaves will still be getting to you from all

other sides of your head/body, so it might not make much

difference...



Marc



   
     

   
   






 










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Marc Martin wrote thus at 22:41 29/04/2012:
>There is a large variation in laptops in terms of their
>"tolerability" -- at least in my experience.  I own laptops
>that are far more tolerable to me than the Kindle 3G.

What do you use? How do you come to decide on them?



peace

Kumâra Bhikkhu

On April 30, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc Martin wrote thus at 22:41 29/04/2012:
> >There is a large variation in laptops in terms of their
> >"tolerability" -- at least in my experience.  I own laptops
> >that are far more tolerable to me than the Kindle 3G.
>
> What do you use? How do you come to decide on them?

Well, 99% of the time I use desktop computers.  The laptops
are either my wife's or things I bring with me on trips.
The most tolerable laptop we've got is an IBM Thinkpad X40.
Although this is getting on in age, and we're going to
replace it with a laptop that I've already concluded is
less tolerable (a Lenovo Thinkpad X200).  Plus I've
got a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-2 (netbook) for trips.

As for how I decide on them, I just pick things on
features/quality, and hope they will work out ES-wise.
If not, I get something else.  I know that there are
nasty laptops out there, as we used to have a Dell
that was terrible, and our work has Dell laptops
that are pretty bad.

Marc

I find that completely bizarre. Any EMF meter will tell you that ANY computer or laptop gives off far more EMFs than a non touchscreen e-ink kindle possibly could. There certainly has to be another variable in there causing your problems.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

On April 30, bioboiy1982 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I find that completely bizarre. Any EMF meter will tell you
> that ANY computer or laptop gives off far more EMFs than a
> non touchscreen e-ink kindle possibly could. There certainly
> has to be another variable in there causing your problems.

Possibly, but the Kindle is perfectly fine when it is
turned off.  And worse when the wireless is turned
on.  So it definitely seems EMF related to me.

And many people here agree that EMF meters do not tell
the whole story -- even those who have spent tens of thousands
of dollars on EMF meters.

Marc

Any EMF meter ?
You mean a thermometer? o;))

Kindle 3G means that it is supporting 3G, or UMTS, which radiates at 2150MHz.
With any good HF meter can this be checked.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by NIS2012
 



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: bioboiy1982
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:18 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: e-readers


  I find that completely bizarre. Any EMF meter will tell you that ANY computer or laptop gives off far more EMFs than a non touchscreen e-ink kindle possibly could. There certainly has to be another variable in there causing your problems.

  --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
  >
  > On April 29, Kumara Bhikkhu <kumara.bhikkhu@...> wrote:
  > > Then it is strange that you said you're okay with laptops.
  > >
  > > e4health@... wrote thus at 00:13 29/04/2012:
  > > >The symptoms I get are tingling sensations that go up my arms,  trembling
  > > >hands.  
  >
  > There is a large variation in laptops in terms of their
  > "tolerability" -- at least in my experience.  I own laptops
  > that are far more tolerable to me than the Kindle 3G.
  >
  > Marc
  >




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That seems to be the most probable reason.

charles wrote thus at 22:04 30/04/2012:

Any rational person with EMF sensitivity would have this turned off tho, so it's kind of a non-issue.

--- In [hidden email], Kumara Bhikkhu <kumara.bhikkhu@...> wrote:

I don't find it bizarre that a person is more affected by one device over another. If we reacted the same then every person would be in bed and suffering from electrosmog like me. Instead we are all different and affected differently by frequencies, intensities, and the patterns.

I am affected more by wireless while a friend is more affected by the low level EMFs. I am more affected by "spiky" wireless while she appears to be more affected by intensity.

I read that we are more affected by whatever we have been exposed to the most.  

My meter goes from 100 MHz to 8 GHz and has audio. Due to Smart Meters I sleep in my car every night in the same parking spot because it is the best place I can find for lower levels of wireless. So I am used to what bombards that parking spot. A couple of days ago I felt great pain and it didn't make sense so I turned on my meter. It registered hardly anything, but the audio sounded like a battlefield—a combination of sounds which I had not heard before.

Was my meter's audio picking up a frequency that wasn't measured by the non-audio part of the meter? Or was it a subtle frequency with a different pattern? I don't know.
       
I talked to an engineer/expert in the field a few weeks ago. When we talked about grounding and mentioned how it is up to electricity to decide whether it goes to ground or gets tossed into the air--he mentioned another level of knowledge which is beyond him. We are victims of complex subject with massive unknowns!