Paul and all,
I too can feel 'things' as I drive. Power lines give me a pain in the head. Then if they are very strong I feel a burning in my tummy. Had a test and the inside of my esogophas, just before the stomach is raw and red, but not infected. Cell towers I can feel from quite a distance, like a mile or more, the big power lines about half a mile. Regular powerlines that cross the highway couple of hundred yards. We have internet FM broadcasts here and do they ever pack a bang. Mile and a half or more. I wouldn't be surprised if they won't be responsible for lots of vehicle accidents, they really fog my thinking just 'out of the blue'. One really puzzling thing for me is that I can ' feel' the natural gas flowing before the furnace cuts in. I feel restless, and if asleep wake up, then I feel thirsty, my ear tips start to burn, I get hot and finally heat flashes up my spine and burns like mad. Drinking cold water and moving helps, but doesn't stop it. Not conducive to a good nights sleep. I'd really like to know where on can move to where there isn't all this pollution. I do think I will have to move to get away from the pollution but I have no idea where there would be less, if any of you know, please tell me. I think perhaps one thing we could do as a group would be to ask each province to designate an area free of electric and FM and all the other 'stuff' . Efree zone. Looking forward to your comments Judy A Painter's prayer: "Goddess, grant me the strength to leave alone those areas that are freshly enough painted, and wisdom to see and fix those that are not." (Robert the Humble) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
My most recent thoughts are the key to survival is to pick your battles,
figure out what it is you absolutely can't stand and then avoid that. I wish there was a place people like us could all just move to to live in peace, I admit my own personal life is shattered from this problem so I have nothing to lose by packing up and going somewhere. Personally I would pay and do anything to make that happen, maybe if someday there are enough of us we could all band together and form a commune or something and make that happen - I telecommute so I can live anywhere. On 3/12/07, taylorjm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Paul and all, > > I too can feel 'things' as I drive. Power lines give me a pain in the > head. Then if they are very strong I feel a burning in my tummy. Had a test > and the inside of my esogophas, just before the stomach is raw and red, but > not infected. > > Cell towers I can feel from quite a distance, like a mile or more, the big > power lines about half a mile. Regular powerlines that cross the highway > couple of hundred yards. > > We have internet FM broadcasts here and do they ever pack a bang. Mile and > a half or more. I wouldn't be surprised if they won't be responsible for > lots of vehicle accidents, they really fog my thinking just 'out of the > blue'. > > One really puzzling thing for me is that I can ' feel' the natural gas > flowing before the furnace cuts in. > > I feel restless, and if asleep wake up, then I feel thirsty, my ear tips > start to burn, I get hot and finally heat flashes up my spine and burns like > mad. > > Drinking cold water and moving helps, but doesn't stop it. Not conducive > to a good nights sleep. > > I'd really like to know where on can move to where there isn't all this > pollution. > > I do think I will have to move to get away from the pollution but I have > no idea where there would be less, if any of you know, please tell me. > > I think perhaps one thing we could do as a group would be to ask each > province to designate an area free of electric and FM and all the other > 'stuff' . > > Efree zone. > > Looking forward to your comments > > Judy > > A Painter's prayer: "Goddess, grant me the strength to leave alone those > areas that are freshly enough painted, and wisdom to see and fix those that > are not." (Robert the Humble) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> My most recent thoughts are the key to survival is to pick your battles,
> figure out what it is you absolutely can't stand and then avoid that. I > wish there was a place people like us could all just move to to live in > peace, I admit my own personal life is shattered from this problem so I > have nothing to lose by packing up and going somewhere. Personally I would > pay and do anything to make that happen Well, if you would pay and do anything, then I'd think your efforts would best be spent on overcoming and recovering from your ES, as several people on this group already have. Then you wouldn't have to move anywhere! Marc |
I've had MCS for years, and now ES for a few years, and I can tell you with
certainty for myself from my own history the only way I've ever successfully delt with an MCS or ES issue was to get away from it. I've tried about everything, and nothing really significantly changes anything. Ask anyone on this list and they'll probably tell you about getting over things for a bit, then relapsing, etc. On 3/12/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > My most recent thoughts are the key to survival is to pick your > battles, > > figure out what it is you absolutely can't stand and then avoid that. I > > wish there was a place people like us could all just move to to live in > > peace, I admit my own personal life is shattered from this problem so I > > have nothing to lose by packing up and going somewhere. Personally I > would > > pay and do anything to make that happen > > Well, if you would pay and do anything, then I'd think your efforts > would > best be spent on overcoming and recovering from your ES, as several > people on this group already have. Then you wouldn't have to move > anywhere! > > Marc > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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<<One really puzzling thing for me is that I can ' feel' the natural gas
flowing before the furnace cuts in.>> (Judy) It's possible that what you are feeling is not the natural gas itself, but the relay in the burner which is energised to open up the gas line to flow. This creates a strong magnetic field which is easily measurable and affects many ES people. Ian <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=11979304/grpspId=1705062215/msgI d=7992/stime=1173719528/nc1=4438966/nc2=3848500/nc3=3848541> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Sorry to disagree, Paul, but there are several testimonies and experiences
from people on this site who have significantly reduced their MCS and ES over long periods, including Marc himself and my wife Sue. The difficulty is that the root cause can be very obscure, difficult to track down and differs betwen different people. For most people, an immune system breakdown seems to have occurred, but what caused it? We also tried all sorts of suggestions before some specific tests on Sue showed very low values of two vital liver metabolism chemicals - glutathione and sulphate - and intravenous infusions of these have helped her a lot. But there were 20+ other chemicals which were largely normal - and I guess any of those could be the root cause for someone else. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Paul Coffman Sent: 12 March 2007 19:04 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] driving down roads I've had MCS for years, and now ES for a few years, and I can tell you with certainty for myself from my own history the only way I've ever successfully delt with an MCS or ES issue was to get away from it. I've tried about everything, and nothing really significantly changes anything. Ask anyone on this list and they'll probably tell you about getting over things for a bit, then relapsing, etc. On 3/12/07, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote: > > > My most recent thoughts are the key to survival is to pick your > battles, > > figure out what it is you absolutely can't stand and then avoid that. I > > wish there was a place people like us could all just move to to live in > > peace, I admit my own personal life is shattered from this problem so I > > have nothing to lose by packing up and going somewhere. Personally I > would > > pay and do anything to make that happen > > Well, if you would pay and do anything, then I'd think your efforts > would > best be spent on overcoming and recovering from your ES, as several > people on this group already have. Then you wouldn't have to move > anywhere! > > Marc > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I've had MCS for years, and now ES for a few years, and I can tell you
> with certainty for myself from my own history the only way I've ever > successfully delt with an MCS or ES issue was to get away from it. > I've tried about everything, and nothing really significantly > changes anything. Ask anyone on this list and they'll probably > tell you about getting over things for a bit, then relapsing, etc. Actually, I've seen people report that they've gotten over their MCS and ES, and have NEVER come back to report a relapse. Myself, I am significantly improved, and have been that way for several years. Certainly I don't have any problems any longer with airplanes, driving, power lines, telephones, while I am still bothered by computer monitors and florescent lighting. Also, while I'm sure that you've probably tried a LOT of things (perhaps you've listed them in a previous post?), I don't think anyone can claim to have tried "everything". For example, I also tell people that I've tried about everything, when in actuality I could name all sorts of things that I know about but never bothered to try (e.g. acupuncture, ayurvedic medicine, chinese medicine) As for specifics, I have probably tried several hundred different things over the past 6 years, but as for those things that have made a significant difference over the years, well, there are very few: - EMF protection devices from Quantum Products - Microhydrin / Mega-H / Ultimate Mega-H (antioxidant) - Cellfood (mineral / oxygen supplement) - mercury filling removal - NDF (heavy metal chelator) - EMF protection devices from Springlife Polarity - Agrisept-L (citrus seed extract anti-fungal) And I find that even those people who have claimed to have tried "everything" have most likely tried hardly any of the above items... :-) Marc |
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> Certainly I don't have any problems any longer with
> airplanes, driving, power lines, telephones, while I am still > bothered by computer monitors and florescent lighting. Oh, I should also add that my exposure to computer monitors and florescent lighting is high. I work 40 hours per week in a building lit by florescent lights, and sitting in front of a computer monitor. And I also spend a significant amount of time in front of a computer at home. So with a change of profession and hobbies, I could consider myself "ES free" already... my wife works as a yoga instructor -- I would have no problems at all with that sort of environment... (although the dimmer switches in her studio used to be a big problem for me) Marc |
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My personal belief is that when the intestinal system and/or the liver
has been compromised by toxins, bad bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, etc. the rest of the body goes down and then MCS, ES, and MS, etc. are to follow. Looking for a cure needs to include rebuilding the system AND killing the bad shit as well as removing the metals and toxins SAFELY. My hunch on the relapse part of any disease is that the treatment did not address adequately the underlying cause (s). The shadow elephant in the room in is Chemtrails that have brucella mycophasma, barium, aluminum, Ethylene dibromide, and many other bacteria, toxic molds, chemicals and metals, viruses. etc I don't want to get kicked off the list so I ask those that are not up on this, to email me directly for more info to address them specifically. Andrew On Mar 12, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Paul Coffman wrote: > I've had MCS for years, and now ES for a few years, and I can tell you > with > certainty for myself from my own history the only way I've ever > successfully > delt with an MCS or ES issue was to get away from it. I've tried > about > everything, and nothing really significantly changes anything. Ask > anyone > on this list and they'll probably tell you about getting over things > for a > bit, then relapsing, etc. > > On 3/12/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> My most recent thoughts are the key to survival is to pick your >> battles, >>> figure out what it is you absolutely can't stand and then avoid >>> that. I >>> wish there was a place people like us could all just move to to live >>> in >>> peace, I admit my own personal life is shattered from this problem >>> so I >>> have nothing to lose by packing up and going somewhere. Personally I >> would >>> pay and do anything to make that happen >> >> Well, if you would pay and do anything, then I'd think your efforts >> would >> best be spent on overcoming and recovering from your ES, as several >> people on this group already have. Then you wouldn't have to move >> anywhere! >> >> Marc >> >> > > > > -- > Paul Coffman > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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You're right, of your list I've tried the quantum products with debatable help for me if any and i have had my mercury fillings removed. i do take lots of antioxidants and trace minerals. Of your list maybe I will try the polarizer - which one did you find works the best for you? On 3/12/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I've had MCS for years, and now ES for a few years, and I can tell you > > with certainty for myself from my own history the only way I've ever > > successfully delt with an MCS or ES issue was to get away from it. > > I've tried about everything, and nothing really significantly > > changes anything. Ask anyone on this list and they'll probably > > tell you about getting over things for a bit, then relapsing, etc. > > Actually, I've seen people report that they've gotten over their > MCS and ES, and have NEVER come back to report a relapse. Myself, > I am significantly improved, and have been that way for several > years. Certainly I don't have any problems any longer with > airplanes, driving, power lines, telephones, while I am still > bothered by computer monitors and florescent lighting. > > Also, while I'm sure that you've probably tried a LOT of things > (perhaps you've listed them in a previous post?), I don't think > anyone can claim to have tried "everything". For example, I > also tell people that I've tried about everything, when in > actuality I could name all sorts of things that I know about > but never bothered to try (e.g. acupuncture, ayurvedic medicine, > chinese medicine) > > As for specifics, I have probably tried several hundred different > things over the past 6 years, but as for those things that have > made a significant difference over the years, well, there are very > few: > > - EMF protection devices from Quantum Products > - Microhydrin / Mega-H / Ultimate Mega-H (antioxidant) > - Cellfood (mineral / oxygen supplement) > - mercury filling removal > - NDF (heavy metal chelator) > - EMF protection devices from Springlife Polarity > - Agrisept-L (citrus seed extract anti-fungal) > > And I find that even those people who have claimed to have tried > "everything" have most likely tried hardly any of the above > items... :-) > > Marc > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> You're right, of your list I've tried the quantum products with debatable
> help for me if any and i have had my mercury fillings removed. i do take > lots of antioxidants and trace minerals. Of your list maybe I will try > the polarizer - which one did you find works the best for you? For me, I use the smaller Springlife Polarizers, which are about 1.5" and 3" long: http://choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/sprnglfunits.html The larger sizes are certainly stronger, but for me stronger is not necessarily better, as that usually gives me unpleasant detox symptoms. I suspect that my body mobilizes toxins when I'm using these, so I have to make sure that I don't overdo it. So basically I could use the larger sizes for short periods each day, or the smaller sizes for long periods. As for antioxidants and trace minerals, again I'm being very specific with my recommendations -- I've tried at least a dozen antioxidant suppements and at least a dozen mineral supplements, and for me, Mega-H and Cellfood are unique. But I probably should stress the "for me" part, as I've heard from others who saw no benefit from trying either. Also, a popular supplement these days for toxin removal is a liquid zeolite product called "NCD". I find that I'm really intolerant of this product at even a fraction of the recommended dosage, but this actually could be a sign that it could really be beneficial in the longterm if I could gradually build up a tolerance to it. Marc |
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what cell food and mega h are you using thanks On 12 Mar 2007, at 20:54, Marc Martin wrote: > > You're right, of your list I've tried the quantum products with > debatable > > help for me if any and i have had my mercury fillings removed. i do > take > > lots of antioxidants and trace minerals. Of your list maybe I will > try > > the polarizer - which one did you find works the best for you? > > For me, I use the smaller Springlife Polarizers, which are about 1.5" > and 3" long: > > http://choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/sprnglfunits.html > > The larger sizes are certainly stronger, but for me stronger is not > necessarily better, as that usually gives me unpleasant detox > symptoms. > I suspect that my body mobilizes toxins when I'm using these, so > I have to make sure that I don't overdo it. So basically I could > use the larger sizes for short periods each day, or the smaller > sizes for long periods. > > As for antioxidants and trace minerals, again I'm being very specific > with my recommendations -- I've tried at least a dozen antioxidant > suppements and at least a dozen mineral supplements, and for me, > Mega-H and Cellfood are unique. But I probably should stress > the "for me" part, as I've heard from others who saw no benefit > from trying either. > > Also, a popular supplement these days for toxin removal is > a liquid zeolite product called "NCD". I find that I'm really > intolerant of this product at even a fraction of the recommended > dosage, but this actually could be a sign that it could really > be beneficial in the longterm if I could gradually build up > a tolerance to it. > > Marc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> what cell food and mega h are you using
I'm not sure I understand your question, but here are links to what I'm using: Ultimate Mega-H (From Vision E3Live) http://www.e3live.com/ultimate_megah.htm I'm using the powder (1/4 scoop at a time) mixed into a glass of water. Cellfood (From Lumina Health): http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm I use a couple drops mixed into a glass of water. I find that the Mega-H is useful for quick relief of ES symptoms. The Cellfood is useful for non-ES problems, like allergies, energy levels, chemical sensivities, oxygen starvation... Marc |
sorry martin
thats what i meant what brand of the products you are using.. can you tell me why you use e3 live for mega h over patrick flanagans one. best pete On 14 Mar 2007, at 22:03, Marc Martin wrote: > > what cell food and mega h are you using > > I'm not sure I understand your question, but here > are links to what I'm using: > > Ultimate Mega-H (From Vision E3Live) > http://www.e3live.com/ultimate_megah.htm > > I'm using the powder (1/4 scoop at a time) mixed into > a glass of water. > > Cellfood (From Lumina Health): > http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm > > I use a couple drops mixed into a glass of water. > > I find that the Mega-H is useful for quick relief > of ES symptoms. The Cellfood is useful for non-ES > problems, like allergies, energy levels, chemical > sensivities, oxygen starvation... > > Marc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> thats what i meant what brand of the products you are using...
> can you tell me why you use e3 live for mega h over patrick > flanagans one. The E3Live brand is also manufactured by Flanagan. I get the same positive results from both brands. The only thing I insist on is using the powder, as I notice immediate results when taking it this way, plus I can control the dosage more precisely, plus I don't have to worry about having any adverse reaction to the filler ingredients that might be in the capsules. Also, Flanagan had discontinued the Mega-H powder when I tried to order some, because they were going to start selling "Megahydrate" powder (new, improved). I think the E3Live version is already the new, improved version (although to me it doesn't matter, as they both work) Marc |
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